History Fridge / ASongOfIceAndFire

2nd Jun '17 8:14:08 PM qazwsx
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* The Mad King put enough[[spoiler: Wildfire beneath King's Landing]] to burn the city and not all of it has been discovered. If a fire breaks out in the wrong place one day...

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* The Mad King put enough[[spoiler: Wildfire enough [[spoiler:wildfire beneath King's Landing]] to burn the city and not all of it has been discovered. If a fire breaks out in the wrong place one day...
8th Mar '17 11:25:05 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* [[spoiler: In retaliation for the Red Wedding, Wyman Manderly killed three Freys and had their flesh served to their unsuspecting kinsmen during Ramsey Bolton's wedding feast, but there's more to this method of revenge than sheer gruesomeness. Ramsey had kidnapped his cousin, Donella Hornwood, and starved her to the point that she tried to eat her own fingers. His sack of Winterfell resulted in Rickon Stark being stuck on an island inhabited by cannibals. Roose's sabotage of the Northern forces got Wyman's son Wylis imprisoned at Harrenhal, where he was forced to eat human flesh. The Freys slandered Robb Stark by claiming he turned into a wolf and ate people. [[LaserGuidedKarma Lord Manderly in turn tricked the Boltons and Freys into committing cannibalism because they had forced it upon/used it against the people he cared about]]]].
* The above is even foreshadowed. The legend, lore, religion, and law is that a lord who murders an invited guest is condemned to eat the flesh of his kin until his bloodline is wiped out.
* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, (depending on the vampire lore, and vampires are often undead themselves) and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat and getting stabbed. For the Others, it's dragonglass, Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun and stakes. Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.
** I would further like to elaborate by acknowledging that Roose Bolton is pretty much Dracula. Given how the Boltons and Starks are mortal enemies, it makes sense.
* In A Clash of Kings, Sansa receives a silver and amethyst hairnet from Ser Dontos who instructs her to wear it to Joffrey's wedding to Margaery Tyrell. By A Storm of Swords [[spoiler: Sansa learns that the "amethysts" from her hairnet were really a crystallized version of the Strangler, used to kill Joffrey at his wedding feast when Olenna Tyrell slipped one of them into his wine. The ironic brilliance is that throughout history people believed that amethysts would protect the wearer from getting drunk or poisoned, both of which happened to Joffrey in his last moments alive.]]

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* [[spoiler: In retaliation for the Red Wedding, Wyman Manderly killed three Freys and had their flesh served to their unsuspecting kinsmen during Ramsey Bolton's wedding feast, but there's more to this method of revenge than sheer gruesomeness. Ramsey had kidnapped his cousin, Donella Hornwood, and starved her to the point that she tried to eat her own fingers. His sack of Winterfell resulted in Rickon Stark being stuck on an island inhabited by cannibals. Roose's sabotage of the Northern forces got Wyman's son Wylis imprisoned at Harrenhal, where he was forced to eat human flesh. The Freys slandered Robb Stark by claiming he turned into a wolf and ate people. [[LaserGuidedKarma Lord Manderly in turn tricked the Boltons and Freys into committing cannibalism because they had forced it upon/used it against the people he cared about]]]].
* The above is even foreshadowed.
about]]]]. The legend, lore, religion, and law is that a lord who murders an invited guest is condemned to eat the flesh of his kin until his bloodline is wiped out.
* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, (depending on the vampire lore, and vampires are often undead themselves) and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat and getting stabbed. For the Others, it's dragonglass, Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun and stakes. Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.
** I would further like to elaborate by acknowledging that Roose Bolton is pretty much Dracula. Given how the Boltons and Starks are mortal enemies, it makes sense.
* In A Clash of Kings, Sansa receives a silver and amethyst hairnet from Ser Dontos who instructs her to wear it to Joffrey's wedding to Margaery Tyrell. By A ''A Storm of Swords Swords'' [[spoiler: Sansa learns that the "amethysts" from her hairnet were really a crystallized version of the Strangler, used to kill Joffrey at his wedding feast when Olenna Tyrell slipped one of them into his wine. The ironic brilliance is that throughout history people believed that amethysts would protect the wearer from getting drunk or poisoned, both of which happened to Joffrey in his last moments alive.]]
* It's never explained, but Jon Connington's alias "Griff" is a reference to his family arms, which feature griffons.
8th Mar '17 11:21:58 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the environmental quirk of having both tricky mountains and sheer expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos... fleeing extermination by Valyrian dragonlords. By the time the Targaryens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.
** And considering the Valyrians ''specifically'' targeted the Rhoynars (part ancestors of Dornishmen, alongside First Men and Andals) because Rhoynars already found some ways countering Valyrians' dragons while they were still lived in Essos. Yeah, Rhoynars maybe lost their water magic but Dornishmen have lots of lessons how to counter dragons.

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* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the environmental quirk of having Dorne has both tricky mountains and sheer expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments sand, making it tough to resist being taken over had been invade, but it was also settled by a large contingent of Rhoynar, who arrived as refugees from Essos... Essos after fleeing extermination by Valyrian dragonlords. By the time the Targaryens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.
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Valyria. In fact, the Valyrians ''specifically'' targeted the Rhoynars (part ancestors of Dornishmen, alongside First Men and Andals) because Rhoynars already they had found some ways countering Valyrians' dragons while they dragons. This could explain why the Dornish were still lived in Essos. Yeah, Rhoynars maybe lost their water magic but Dornishmen have lots of lessons how so difficult to counter conquer with conventional armies ''and'' dragons.
6th Feb '17 4:18:52 PM PlanetEarthIsBlue
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* In A Clash of Kings, Sansa receives a silver and amethyst hairnet from Ser Dontos who instructs her to wear it to Joffrey's wedding to Margaery Tyrell. By A Storm of Swords [[spoiler: Sansa learns that the "amethysts" from her hairnet were really a crystallized version of the Strangler, used to kill Joffrey at his wedding feast when Olenna Tyrell slipped one of them into his wine. The ironic brilliance is that throughout history people believed that amethysts would protect the wearer from getting drunk or poisoned, both of which happened to Joffrey in his last moments alive.]]
11th Jan '17 10:58:02 AM GrantMK2
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** Alternately, with those who can't afford to pay, he might be planning on extracting other concessions from them in exchange for food, such as oaths of fealty and promises of armed support -- literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#Etymology blackmailing]] his way into greater power, perhaps onto the very throne itself.

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** Alternately, with those who can't afford to pay, he might be planning on extracting other concessions from them in exchange for food, such as oaths of fealty and promises of armed support -- literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#Etymology blackmailing]] his way into greater power, perhaps onto the very throne itself.itself.
* Sandor Clegane mentions that he first killed someone at the age of twelve. That would put it around the time of Robert's Rebellion. His house was sworn to the Lannisters, who avoided taking part in the war up until the sack of King's Landing. His first kill wasn't on some field of battle the stories would say was glorious, it was probably in the city his side was rampaging, murdering and raping through while their leader was ordering children murdered. Between that and his brother it's no wonder the guy is so disgusted with everything.
15th Dec '16 5:13:42 AM Vampireandthen
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* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat. For the Others, it's dragonglass. Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun.Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.

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* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, (depending on the vampire lore, and vampires are often undead themselves) and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat. heat and getting stabbed. For the Others, it's dragonglass. dragonglass, Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun.sun and stakes. Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.conclusions.
** I would further like to elaborate by acknowledging that Roose Bolton is pretty much Dracula. Given how the Boltons and Starks are mortal enemies, it makes sense.

13th Dec '16 7:40:08 AM Vampireandthen
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* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat. For the Others, it's dragonglass. Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun.Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.
5th Dec '16 5:35:36 PM Specialist290
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* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the [[spoiler:Vale]], even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?

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* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the [[spoiler:Vale]], even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?winter?
** Alternately, with those who can't afford to pay, he might be planning on extracting other concessions from them in exchange for food, such as oaths of fealty and promises of armed support -- literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#Etymology blackmailing]] his way into greater power, perhaps onto the very throne itself.
3rd Dec '16 12:21:31 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing [[spoiler:human sacrifice]] to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around any further attempt of sacrifice...
3rd Dec '16 4:43:36 AM EvilKid
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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second attempt of sacrifice...

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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice [[spoiler:human sacrifice]] to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second any further attempt of sacrifice...
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