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6th Feb '17 4:18:52 PM PlanetEarthIsBlue
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* In A Clash of Kings, Sansa receives a silver and amethyst hairnet from Ser Dontos who instructs her to wear it to Joffrey's wedding to Margaery Tyrell. By A Storm of Swords [[spoiler: Sansa learns that the "amethysts" from her hairnet were really a crystallized version of the Strangler, used to kill Joffrey at his wedding feast when Olenna Tyrell slipped one of them into his wine. The ironic brilliance is that throughout history people believed that amethysts would protect the wearer from getting drunk or poisoned, both of which happened to Joffrey in his last moments alive.]]
11th Jan '17 10:58:02 AM GrantMK2
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** Alternately, with those who can't afford to pay, he might be planning on extracting other concessions from them in exchange for food, such as oaths of fealty and promises of armed support -- literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#Etymology blackmailing]] his way into greater power, perhaps onto the very throne itself.

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** Alternately, with those who can't afford to pay, he might be planning on extracting other concessions from them in exchange for food, such as oaths of fealty and promises of armed support -- literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#Etymology blackmailing]] his way into greater power, perhaps onto the very throne itself.itself.
* Sandor Clegane mentions that he first killed someone at the age of twelve. That would put it around the time of Robert's Rebellion. His house was sworn to the Lannisters, who avoided taking part in the war up until the sack of King's Landing. His first kill wasn't on some field of battle the stories would say was glorious, it was probably in the city his side was rampaging, murdering and raping through while their leader was ordering children murdered. Between that and his brother it's no wonder the guy is so disgusted with everything.
15th Dec '16 5:13:42 AM Vampireandthen
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* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat. For the Others, it's dragonglass. Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun.Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.

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* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, (depending on the vampire lore, and vampires are often undead themselves) and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat. heat and getting stabbed. For the Others, it's dragonglass. dragonglass, Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun.sun and stakes. Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.conclusions.
** I would further like to elaborate by acknowledging that Roose Bolton is pretty much Dracula. Given how the Boltons and Starks are mortal enemies, it makes sense.

13th Dec '16 7:40:08 AM Vampireandthen
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* This troper has noted that the Others actually share some similarities with vampires. Both are described as pale and strangely beautiful. Both can turn humans into members of their race. Both can resurrect the dead, and are associated with the night and the cold. Both have a weakness related to heat. For the Others, it's dragonglass. Valyrian steel and probably dragon fire. For vampires, it's the sun.Vampires usually turn to dust when they die, and Others turn into puddles. So, the Others are a mixture of the Sidhe and vampires. But you know what makes this really awesome? When you remember that the traditional enemies of vampires are werewolves, and the Starks are often associated with wolves! With all the Stark kids being skin changers who had a direwolf at some point or another....well, draw your own conclusions.
5th Dec '16 5:35:36 PM Specialist290
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* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the [[spoiler:Vale]], even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?

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* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the [[spoiler:Vale]], even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?winter?
** Alternately, with those who can't afford to pay, he might be planning on extracting other concessions from them in exchange for food, such as oaths of fealty and promises of armed support -- literally [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail#Etymology blackmailing]] his way into greater power, perhaps onto the very throne itself.
3rd Dec '16 12:21:31 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing [[spoiler:human sacrifice]] to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around any further attempt of sacrifice...
3rd Dec '16 4:43:36 AM EvilKid
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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second attempt of sacrifice...

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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice [[spoiler:human sacrifice]] to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second any further attempt of sacrifice...
26th Nov '16 9:40:02 PM EvilKid
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* Combined with FridgeHorror. In a lot of aspects, Theon is shown to be a {{foil}} to Jon Snow. Because of this, its interesting to note that while Jon performing oral sex on Ygritte is one of the most romantic scenes in the story, Ramsay forcing Theon to perform oral sex on Jeyne Poole is one of the most horrific.

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* Combined with FridgeHorror. In a lot of aspects, Theon is shown to be a {{foil}} to Jon Snow. Because of this, its interesting to note that while Jon performing oral sex on Ygritte is one of the most romantic scenes in the story, Ramsay [[spoiler:Ramsay]] forcing Theon to perform oral sex on Jeyne Poole [[spoiler:Jeyne Poole]] is one of the most horrific.



* There are numerous references to weirwood groves being cut down and burned when people change faith. It doesn't look like a big deal (just some religious warfare), right? Then we learn, when Bran is being trained by the One-Eyed Crow, that weirwood groves contain the minds of all the greenseers, and record all the history they've ever witnessed. In other words, burning a weirwood grove is like burning a thousand-year-old library composed of sentient beings.
* Almost every major castle in Westeros still has a godswood, most of which have at least one weirwood tree. Also, both public and secret messages are usually sent by messenger ravens. Now take note of the fact that this Three-Eyed Crow [[spoiler:a.k.a. Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers was one of the most successful and ruthless Masters of Whispers that the Iron Throne has ever had, and that his partial descent from the First Men most likely means he has access to both warging and greenseeing]].

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* There are numerous references to weirwood groves being cut down and burned when people change faith. It doesn't look like a big deal (just some religious warfare), right? Then we learn, when Bran is being trained by the One-Eyed Crow, that weirwood groves contain [[spoiler:contain the minds of all the greenseers, and record all the history they've ever witnessed. In other words, burning a weirwood grove is like burning a thousand-year-old library composed of sentient beings.
beings.]]
* Combined with FridgeBrilliance. Almost every major castle in Westeros still has a godswood, most of which have at least one weirwood tree. Also, both public and secret messages are usually sent by messenger ravens. Now take note of the fact that this Three-Eyed Crow [[spoiler:a.k.a. Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers was one of the most successful and ruthless Masters of Whispers that the Iron Throne has ever had, and that his partial descent from the First Men most likely means he has access to both warging and greenseeing]].



* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the Vale, even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?

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* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the Vale, [[spoiler:Vale]], even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?
26th Nov '16 9:34:16 PM EvilKid
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* Sansa is frequently described as a "little bird," because she's kept in a gilded cage, always says sweet things and repeats back whatever is expected of her. She's taken under the wing of Petyr Baelish, masquerading as his natural daughter. Baelish changed his sigil to a mockingbird, which also repeats noises made by others.

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* Sansa is frequently described as a "little bird," because she's kept in a gilded cage, always says sweet things and repeats back whatever is expected of her. She's taken under the wing of Petyr [[spoiler:Petyr Baelish, masquerading as his natural daughter. Baelish Baelish]] changed his sigil to a mockingbird, which also repeats noises made by others.



* In ''A Storm of Swords,'' Tyrion thinks: "There was this to say about weddings over battles: it was less likely that someone would try to cut off your nose." As two particular weddings in that book proved, weddings are worse than battles sometimes.

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* In ''A Storm of Swords,'' Tyrion thinks: "There was this to say about weddings over battles: it was less likely that someone would try to cut off your nose." As two particular [[spoiler:two particular]] weddings in that book proved, weddings are worse than battles sometimes.



* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the environmental quirk of having both tricky mountains and sheer expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos... fleeing extermination by Valyrian dragonlords. By the time the Targayens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.

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* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the environmental quirk of having both tricky mountains and sheer expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos... fleeing extermination by Valyrian dragonlords. By the time the Targayens Targaryens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.rout.
** And considering the Valyrians ''specifically'' targeted the Rhoynars (part ancestors of Dornishmen, alongside First Men and Andals) because Rhoynars already found some ways countering Valyrians' dragons while they were still lived in Essos. Yeah, Rhoynars maybe lost their water magic but Dornishmen have lots of lessons how to counter dragons.



* At the Red Wedding, the musicians are described as terrible, then revealed shortly thereafter to be crossbowmen, explaining why their musical talents are lacking.

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* At the Red Wedding, [[spoiler:Red Wedding]], the musicians are described as terrible, then revealed shortly thereafter to be crossbowmen, [[spoiler:crossbowmen]], explaining why their musical talents are lacking.



* In a Dunk and Egg prequel, there are mentions of peasents both moving to lands "where the rain still fell" due to a drought (the Sworn Sword) and inflation; "everything has been costing more of late" (The Mystery Knight). This begs the question, how are there empty plots of land for peasents to go to in and why are prices rising on a continent that has been inhabited and been in [[MedievalStasis Medieval Stasis]] for thousands of years. The answer, the [[ThePlague The Great Spring Sickness]], as after the The Black Death [[TruthInTelevision the remaining peseants demanded both wage increases and better plots of land]] [[AluminiumChristmasTrees for jobs and farms vacated by all the dead people.]]
* The fall of the Starks begins when a pair of twins brings harm to one of the Stark family. The culmination happens at a castle named The Twins.

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* In a Dunk and Egg prequel, there are mentions of peasents peasants both moving to lands "where the rain still fell" due to a drought (the Sworn Sword) and inflation; "everything has been costing more of late" (The Mystery Knight). This begs the question, how are there empty plots of land for peasents to go to in and why are prices rising on a continent that has been inhabited and been in [[MedievalStasis Medieval Stasis]] for thousands of years. The answer, the [[ThePlague The Great Spring Sickness]], as after the The Black Death [[TruthInTelevision the remaining peseants demanded both wage increases and better plots of land]] [[AluminiumChristmasTrees for jobs and farms vacated by all the dead people.]]
* The fall of the Starks begins when a [[spoiler:a pair of twins twins]] brings harm to one of the Stark family. The culmination happens at a castle named The [[spoiler:The Twins.]]



* The Red Wedding is foreshadowed:

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* The Red Wedding [[spoiler:Red Wedding]] is foreshadowed:



** Sandor promises to take Arya to her uncle's "bloody wedding," which turns out to be prophetic.

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** Sandor promises to take Arya to her uncle's "bloody wedding," which [[spoiler:which turns out to be prophetic. prophetic.]]



* Shae recognizes a disguised Varys because she says a whore has to learn to see the man, not his appearance, or she ends up dead. This is ironic given that she vastly misreads Tyrion when he confronts her after her betrayal, causing her death.
* Oberyn says that he'd sooner die with a breast in his hand than a weapon. He dies in battle soon afterwards.

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* Shae recognizes a disguised Varys because she says a whore has to learn to see the man, not his appearance, or she ends up dead. This is ironic given that she vastly [[spoiler:vastly misreads Tyrion when he confronts her after her betrayal, causing her death.
death.]]
* Oberyn says that he'd sooner die with a breast in his hand than a weapon. He [[spoiler:He dies in battle soon afterwards.]]



* On the suggestion of 'Reek' Theon has a pair of miller's children killed so he can pass the bodies off as belonging to Rickon and Bran. Theon reflects that he slept with the miller's wife a few times. Given that one of the boys is young enough to pass for Rickon, Theon may well be guilty of OffingTheOffspring on top of everything else.

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* On the suggestion of 'Reek' Theon has a pair of miller's children killed so he can pass the bodies off as belonging to Rickon [[spoiler:Rickon and Bran.Bran]]. Theon reflects that he slept with the miller's wife a few times. Given that one of the boys is young enough to pass for Rickon, Theon may well be guilty of OffingTheOffspring on top of everything else.



* The Mad King put enough Wildfire beneath King's Landing to burn the city and not all of it has been discovered. If a fire breaks out in the wrong place one day...

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* The Mad King put enough enough[[spoiler: Wildfire beneath King's Landing Landing]] to burn the city and not all of it has been discovered. If a fire breaks out in the wrong place one day...



* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about Stannis Baratheon or the Night's King?

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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about Stannis Baratheon [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or the [[spoiler:the Night's King?King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second attempt of sacrifice...
23rd Nov '16 10:22:48 AM Euodiachloris
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* Dorne was the one Kingdom to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them and capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions. You could easily put this down to the number of mountains and sheer expanse of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos -- fleeing extermination by Valyrian lords. They had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do) what with the tales of the rout.

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* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions. concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the number environmental quirk of having both tricky mountains and sheer expanse expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos -- Essos... fleeing extermination by Valyrian lords. They dragonlords. By the time the Targayens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do) what with do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.
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