History Fridge / ASongOfIceAndFire

3rd Dec '16 12:21:31 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing [[spoiler:human sacrifice]] to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around any further attempt of sacrifice...
3rd Dec '16 4:43:36 AM EvilKid
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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second attempt of sacrifice...

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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice [[spoiler:human sacrifice]] to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or [[spoiler:the Night's King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second any further attempt of sacrifice...
26th Nov '16 9:40:02 PM EvilKid
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* Combined with FridgeHorror. In a lot of aspects, Theon is shown to be a {{foil}} to Jon Snow. Because of this, its interesting to note that while Jon performing oral sex on Ygritte is one of the most romantic scenes in the story, Ramsay forcing Theon to perform oral sex on Jeyne Poole is one of the most horrific.

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* Combined with FridgeHorror. In a lot of aspects, Theon is shown to be a {{foil}} to Jon Snow. Because of this, its interesting to note that while Jon performing oral sex on Ygritte is one of the most romantic scenes in the story, Ramsay [[spoiler:Ramsay]] forcing Theon to perform oral sex on Jeyne Poole [[spoiler:Jeyne Poole]] is one of the most horrific.



* There are numerous references to weirwood groves being cut down and burned when people change faith. It doesn't look like a big deal (just some religious warfare), right? Then we learn, when Bran is being trained by the One-Eyed Crow, that weirwood groves contain the minds of all the greenseers, and record all the history they've ever witnessed. In other words, burning a weirwood grove is like burning a thousand-year-old library composed of sentient beings.
* Almost every major castle in Westeros still has a godswood, most of which have at least one weirwood tree. Also, both public and secret messages are usually sent by messenger ravens. Now take note of the fact that this Three-Eyed Crow [[spoiler:a.k.a. Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers was one of the most successful and ruthless Masters of Whispers that the Iron Throne has ever had, and that his partial descent from the First Men most likely means he has access to both warging and greenseeing]].

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* There are numerous references to weirwood groves being cut down and burned when people change faith. It doesn't look like a big deal (just some religious warfare), right? Then we learn, when Bran is being trained by the One-Eyed Crow, that weirwood groves contain [[spoiler:contain the minds of all the greenseers, and record all the history they've ever witnessed. In other words, burning a weirwood grove is like burning a thousand-year-old library composed of sentient beings.
beings.]]
* Combined with FridgeBrilliance. Almost every major castle in Westeros still has a godswood, most of which have at least one weirwood tree. Also, both public and secret messages are usually sent by messenger ravens. Now take note of the fact that this Three-Eyed Crow [[spoiler:a.k.a. Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers was one of the most successful and ruthless Masters of Whispers that the Iron Throne has ever had, and that his partial descent from the First Men most likely means he has access to both warging and greenseeing]].



* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the Vale, even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?

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* It's revealed in an excerpt from ''Winds of Winter'' that Littlefinger is delaying the sale of grain from the Vale, [[spoiler:Vale]], even though winter has already reached the South, waiting until his buyers are desperate enough to pay his exorbitant prices. Mind you, these are the rich Lords who can afford Littlefinger's prices and presumably would only go to feed their own peasants. How many more people who managed to survive the War of Five Kings will die of starvation in the oncoming winter?
26th Nov '16 9:34:16 PM EvilKid
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* Sansa is frequently described as a "little bird," because she's kept in a gilded cage, always says sweet things and repeats back whatever is expected of her. She's taken under the wing of Petyr Baelish, masquerading as his natural daughter. Baelish changed his sigil to a mockingbird, which also repeats noises made by others.

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* Sansa is frequently described as a "little bird," because she's kept in a gilded cage, always says sweet things and repeats back whatever is expected of her. She's taken under the wing of Petyr [[spoiler:Petyr Baelish, masquerading as his natural daughter. Baelish Baelish]] changed his sigil to a mockingbird, which also repeats noises made by others.



* In ''A Storm of Swords,'' Tyrion thinks: "There was this to say about weddings over battles: it was less likely that someone would try to cut off your nose." As two particular weddings in that book proved, weddings are worse than battles sometimes.

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* In ''A Storm of Swords,'' Tyrion thinks: "There was this to say about weddings over battles: it was less likely that someone would try to cut off your nose." As two particular [[spoiler:two particular]] weddings in that book proved, weddings are worse than battles sometimes.



* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the environmental quirk of having both tricky mountains and sheer expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos... fleeing extermination by Valyrian dragonlords. By the time the Targayens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.

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* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the environmental quirk of having both tricky mountains and sheer expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos... fleeing extermination by Valyrian dragonlords. By the time the Targayens Targaryens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.rout.
** And considering the Valyrians ''specifically'' targeted the Rhoynars (part ancestors of Dornishmen, alongside First Men and Andals) because Rhoynars already found some ways countering Valyrians' dragons while they were still lived in Essos. Yeah, Rhoynars maybe lost their water magic but Dornishmen have lots of lessons how to counter dragons.



* At the Red Wedding, the musicians are described as terrible, then revealed shortly thereafter to be crossbowmen, explaining why their musical talents are lacking.

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* At the Red Wedding, [[spoiler:Red Wedding]], the musicians are described as terrible, then revealed shortly thereafter to be crossbowmen, [[spoiler:crossbowmen]], explaining why their musical talents are lacking.



* In a Dunk and Egg prequel, there are mentions of peasents both moving to lands "where the rain still fell" due to a drought (the Sworn Sword) and inflation; "everything has been costing more of late" (The Mystery Knight). This begs the question, how are there empty plots of land for peasents to go to in and why are prices rising on a continent that has been inhabited and been in [[MedievalStasis Medieval Stasis]] for thousands of years. The answer, the [[ThePlague The Great Spring Sickness]], as after the The Black Death [[TruthInTelevision the remaining peseants demanded both wage increases and better plots of land]] [[AluminiumChristmasTrees for jobs and farms vacated by all the dead people.]]
* The fall of the Starks begins when a pair of twins brings harm to one of the Stark family. The culmination happens at a castle named The Twins.

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* In a Dunk and Egg prequel, there are mentions of peasents peasants both moving to lands "where the rain still fell" due to a drought (the Sworn Sword) and inflation; "everything has been costing more of late" (The Mystery Knight). This begs the question, how are there empty plots of land for peasents to go to in and why are prices rising on a continent that has been inhabited and been in [[MedievalStasis Medieval Stasis]] for thousands of years. The answer, the [[ThePlague The Great Spring Sickness]], as after the The Black Death [[TruthInTelevision the remaining peseants demanded both wage increases and better plots of land]] [[AluminiumChristmasTrees for jobs and farms vacated by all the dead people.]]
* The fall of the Starks begins when a [[spoiler:a pair of twins twins]] brings harm to one of the Stark family. The culmination happens at a castle named The [[spoiler:The Twins.]]



* The Red Wedding is foreshadowed:

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* The Red Wedding [[spoiler:Red Wedding]] is foreshadowed:



** Sandor promises to take Arya to her uncle's "bloody wedding," which turns out to be prophetic.

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** Sandor promises to take Arya to her uncle's "bloody wedding," which [[spoiler:which turns out to be prophetic. prophetic.]]



* Shae recognizes a disguised Varys because she says a whore has to learn to see the man, not his appearance, or she ends up dead. This is ironic given that she vastly misreads Tyrion when he confronts her after her betrayal, causing her death.
* Oberyn says that he'd sooner die with a breast in his hand than a weapon. He dies in battle soon afterwards.

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* Shae recognizes a disguised Varys because she says a whore has to learn to see the man, not his appearance, or she ends up dead. This is ironic given that she vastly [[spoiler:vastly misreads Tyrion when he confronts her after her betrayal, causing her death.
death.]]
* Oberyn says that he'd sooner die with a breast in his hand than a weapon. He [[spoiler:He dies in battle soon afterwards.]]



* On the suggestion of 'Reek' Theon has a pair of miller's children killed so he can pass the bodies off as belonging to Rickon and Bran. Theon reflects that he slept with the miller's wife a few times. Given that one of the boys is young enough to pass for Rickon, Theon may well be guilty of OffingTheOffspring on top of everything else.

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* On the suggestion of 'Reek' Theon has a pair of miller's children killed so he can pass the bodies off as belonging to Rickon [[spoiler:Rickon and Bran.Bran]]. Theon reflects that he slept with the miller's wife a few times. Given that one of the boys is young enough to pass for Rickon, Theon may well be guilty of OffingTheOffspring on top of everything else.



* The Mad King put enough Wildfire beneath King's Landing to burn the city and not all of it has been discovered. If a fire breaks out in the wrong place one day...

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* The Mad King put enough enough[[spoiler: Wildfire beneath King's Landing Landing]] to burn the city and not all of it has been discovered. If a fire breaks out in the wrong place one day...



* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about Stannis Baratheon or the Night's King?

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* He was a respected warrior, but was corrupted by a supernatural woman, who drained life from him when they made love and converted him to another religion. He and his brother were both kings (though few other than himself supported his claim to be a king), and were enemies of each other. His MoralEventHorizon was committing human sacrifice to appease his new god(s). He was ultimately defeated by an army from Winterfell. Now am I talking about Stannis Baratheon [[spoiler:Stannis Baratheon]] or the [[spoiler:the Night's King?King?]]
** For TV series true but not we are not yet certain for the books. That MoralEventHorizon may never happen in the books -- [[spoiler:Ser Davos Seaworth saved the person for first sacrificial attempt, Edric Storm or Gendry, and Book!Stannis may not be sacrifice Shireen precisely because he fights in this war to put Shireen on the throne.]] But considering the knight is not around around the second attempt of sacrifice...
23rd Nov '16 10:22:48 AM Euodiachloris
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* Dorne was the one Kingdom to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them and capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions. You could easily put this down to the number of mountains and sheer expanse of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos -- fleeing extermination by Valyrian lords. They had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do) what with the tales of the rout.

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* Dorne was the one Kingdom able to resist the Targaryen invasion enough to manage to bargain with them them, and thereby capitulated only with marriage and cultural concessions. concessions none of the others could manage. You could easily put this down to the number environmental quirk of having both tricky mountains and sheer expanse expanses of baking hot sand alone. Until you remember that the people using these environments to resist being taken over had been settled by refugees from Essos -- Essos... fleeing extermination by Valyrian lords. They dragonlords. By the time the Targayens rocked up, they had had plenty of time to work out what to do against dragons (and, most importantly, what ''not'' to do) what with do), thanks to the enduring tales of the rout.
23rd Oct '16 1:27:44 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* Why does Tywin smile after his death? It's because he doesn't have to clean up the royal mess he's made of Westeros with his cruelty, selective obliviousness, and ambition.

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* Why does Tywin smile after his death? It's because he doesn't have to clean up the royal mess he's made of Westeros with his cruelty, selective obliviousness, and ambition.
21st Oct '16 6:48:45 PM Harem-author
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* The above is even foreshadowed. The legend, lore, religion, and law is that a lord who murders an invited guest is condemned to eat the flesh of his kin until his bloodline is wiped out.
* Why does Tywin smile after his death? It's because he doesn't have to clean up the royal mess he's made of Westeros with his cruelty, selective obliviousness, and ambition.
2nd Oct '16 2:53:30 PM qazwsx
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* In ''Literature/ArchmaesterGyldaynsHistories'', ''The Princess and the Queen'' seems a rather inaccurate title, since Rhaenyra was claimed queen by half of the kingdom. But in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' universe (much like in RealLife) history is often WrittenByTheWinners, thus at the end of the tale Aegon II orders that his half-sister would never be referred in annals as Queen but only as Princess, since the true Queen were only his late wife Haelena and his mother Dowager Queen Alicent (the eponymous queen, {{Archenemy}} of Rhaenyra). Now the title makes perfect sense.
2nd Oct '16 2:47:17 PM qazwsx
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* [[spoiler: In retaliation for the Red Wedding, Wyman Manderly killed three Freys and had their flesh served to their unsuspecting kinsmen during Ramsey Bolton's wedding feast, but there's more to this method of revenge than sheer gruesomeness. Ramsey had kidnapped his cousin, Donella Hornwood, and starved her to the point that she tried to eat her own fingers. His sack of Winterfell resulted in Rickon Stark being stuck on an island inhabited by cannibals. Roose's sabotage of the Northern forces got Wyman's son Wylis imprisoned at Harrenhal, where he was forced to eat human flesh. The Freys slandered Robb Stark by claiming he turned into a wolf and ate people. [[LaserGuidedKarma Lord Manderly in turn tricked the Boltons and Freys into committing cannibalism because they had forced it upon/used it against the people he cared about]]]].
2nd Oct '16 9:35:50 AM kraas
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* One of those most minor cases but still pretty funny is Sam Tarly unwittingly smashing Melisandre's justifications to pieces. During ''A Clash of Kings'', Melisandre tries to justify her morality to Davos by claiming "when half an onion is black with rot, it is a bad onion." Much later, when the Night's Watch survivors have dragged themselves back to Craster's Keep and are being fed, one of Craster's wives gives out some onions, and Sam receives one that is half black with rot. He simply cuts it in half, tosses the rotten portion away, and eats the good half.

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* One of those most minor cases but still pretty funny is Sam Tarly unwittingly smashing Melisandre's justifications to pieces. During ''A Clash of Kings'', Melisandre tries to justify her morality to Davos by claiming "when "if half of an onion is black with rot, it is a bad rotten onion." Much later, when the Night's Watch survivors have dragged themselves back to Craster's Keep and are being fed, one of Craster's wives gives out some onions, and Sam receives one that is half black with rot. He simply cuts it in half, tosses the rotten portion away, and eats the good half.
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