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* ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Lots-o']][[BearsAreBadNews -Huggin' Bear]]]] was accidentally lost and replaced by his original owner with [[spoiler:an identical Lotso]], [[EvilCannotComprehendGood causing him to believe]] [[StrawNihilist toys are just "trash meant to be thrown away."]] But as Woody points out, it doesn't excuse him of his crimes, especially as he kept lying to Big Baby about this. His owner didn't abandon him so much as ''he'' abandoned ''her'', and the fact that she replaced him actually shows how much she cared for him, since she didn't know he was alive.
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* ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Lots-o']][[BearsAreBadNews -Huggin' Bear]]]] was accidentally lost and replaced by his original owner with [[spoiler:an identical Lotso]], [[EvilCannotComprehendGood causing him to believe]] [[StrawNihilist toys are just "trash meant to be thrown away."]] But as Woody points out, it doesn't excuse him of his crimes, especially as he kept lying to Big Baby about this. this, and Woody calls Lotso out for believing [[IfICantHaveYou if he couldn't have Daisy, then neither could Big Baby or anyone else.]] His owner didn't abandon him so much as ''he'' abandoned ''her'', and the fact that she replaced him actually shows how much she cared for him, since she didn't know he was alive.
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** It's one of the major themes of the film. Because of [[RapeAsDrama her past]], Candace became emotionally damaged, dropping out of school and eventually becoming a prostitute and drug addict. It takes going to jail, help from a minister named Ellen, and ultimately meeting Madea for her to change. Specifically, one scene depicts Candy with several inmates in a class about forgiveness. One of the inmates tried to play the victim and blame her troubles on her father who lead her down their path. In an inspirational moment, Madea reprimands the inmate and tells her and everyone else that they are just avoiding responsibility and that a tragic past does not excuse whatever they did to get arrested.
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** It's one of the major themes of the film. Because of [[RapeAsDrama her past]], Candace became emotionally damaged, dropping out of school and eventually becoming a prostitute and drug addict. It takes going to jail, help from a minister named Ellen, and ultimately meeting Madea for her to change. Specifically, one scene depicts Candy with several inmates in a class about forgiveness. One of the inmates tried to play the victim and blame her troubles imprisonment on her father who lead her down their path. father. In an inspirational moment, Madea reprimands the inmate and tells her and everyone else that they are they're just avoiding responsibility responsibility, and that a tragic past does not excuse whatever they did to get arrested.
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* ''Film/MadeasBigHappyFamily'': Kimberly is a massive {{Jerkass}} to everyone and resents her family because she had been [[RapeAsBackstory raped and impregnated by her uncle]] at 13, but her mother refused to take legal action against him and her family preferred to act as one big happy family instead of addressing their issues. Near the end of the film, she's called out on it; while Madea is very sympathetic towards Kimberly's past, she still states it doesn't give Kimberly an excuse to lash out at people and urges her to get professional help.
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* ''Film/MadeasBigHappyFamily'': Kimberly is a massive {{Jerkass}} to everyone and resents her family because she had been [[RapeAsBackstory raped and impregnated by her uncle]] at 13, but her mother refused to take legal action against him and her family preferred to act as one big happy family instead of addressing their issues. Near the end of the film, she's called out on it; while Madea is very sympathetic towards Kimberly's past, she still states it doesn't give Kimberly an excuse to lash out at people everyone, and urges her to get professional help. Madea also urges her to patch things up with her husband, who Kimberly has been arguing non-stop while he did his best to love her, and they both take this to heart.
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* ''Film/Scream3'': The Ghostface Killer gives his past rejection by the world as the reason for his murderous rampage during his MotiveRant to Sidney. However, Sidney has heard this story too many times from previous killers to care and calls Ghostface out by pointing out that it's just an excuse for their own sadism.
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* ''Film/Scream3'': The Ghostface Killer gives his past rejection by his mother and the rest of the world as the reason for his murderous rampage during his MotiveRant to Sidney. However, Sidney has heard this story too many times from previous killers to care and calls Ghostface out by pointing out that it's just an excuse [[ForTheEvulz for their own sadism.]]
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* ''Film/{{Surrounded}}'': Mo is sympathetic to Tommy saying he lost many relatives in the past, but points out that didn't justify becoming a criminal and having hurt people.
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* ''Film/FallingDown'': [[AngryWhiteMan William Foster]] has been fired from his job, is divorced from his wife due to his HairTriggerTemper, and is [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking stuck in traffic]] with no AC [[HeatWave on the hottest day of the year]] in Los Angeles. Foster's ensuing [[GoingPostal destructive journey]] to attend his daughter's birthday party initially portrays him as a type of AntiHero, especially since most of his victims [[AssholeVictim are asking for it]]. In the end, however, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Detective Prendergast]] makes it clear to Foster that ''none'' of the bad things that have happened in his life justify his going on a rampage.
-->'''Foster:''' [[HeelRealization I'm... the bad guy?]] ''[{{beat}}]'' How did that happen?
-->'''Foster:''' [[HeelRealization I'm... the bad guy?]] ''[{{beat}}]'' How did that happen?
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* ''Film/FallingDown'': [[AngryWhiteMan William Foster]] has been fired from his job, is divorced from his wife due to his HairTriggerTemper, and is [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking stuck in traffic]] with no AC [[HeatWave on the hottest day of the year]] in Los Angeles. Foster's ensuing [[GoingPostal destructive journey]] to attend his daughter's birthday party initially portrays him as a type of AntiHero, especially since most of his victims [[AssholeVictim are asking for it]]. In the end, however, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Detective Prendergast]] makes it clear to Foster that ''none'' of the bad things that have happened in his life justify his going on a rampage.
rampage, to the point that Prendergast is DisappointedByTheMotive that the entire rampage was started for such petty nonsense.
-->'''Foster:''' [[HeelRealization I'm... the bad guy?]] ''[{{beat}}]'' How did thathappen?happen? I did everything they told me to. Did you know I build missiles? I help to protect America. You should be rewarded for that. Instead, they give it to the plastic surgeon. They lied to me.\\
'''Sergeant Prendergast:''' Is that what this is about? You're angry because you got lied to? Is that why my chicken dinner is drying out in the oven? Listen, pal, they lie to everyone. They lie to the fish. But that doesn't give you any special right to do what you did today.
-->'''Foster:''' [[HeelRealization I'm... the bad guy?]] ''[{{beat}}]'' How did that
'''Sergeant Prendergast:''' Is that what this is about? You're angry because you got lied to? Is that why my chicken dinner is drying out in the oven? Listen, pal, they lie to everyone. They lie to the fish. But that doesn't give you any special right to do what you did today.
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* ''Film/TheCarmillaMovie'': [[spoiler:Ell Sheridan is initially thought of a tragic romantic figure; someone who betrayed Carmilla to her mother, before being sacrificed to a Deep One, and trapped in a nightmare realm. As a ghost, Ell has become hateful and vindictive towards Carmilla, and plans to steal her life, and trap the other innocent ghosts back in that realm. However, Ell is repeatedly called out that she wasn't the only victim, and she's knowingly condemning the others for her selfish gain. Ell admits she doesn't care about the others as long as [[ItsAllAboutMe she gets what she wants]].]]
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* ''Film/TheCarmillaMovie'': [[spoiler:Ell [[spoiler:Elle Sheridan is initially thought of a tragic romantic figure; someone who betrayed Carmilla to her mother, before being sacrificed to a Deep One, and trapped in a nightmare realm. As a ghost, Ell Elle has become hateful and vindictive towards Carmilla, and plans to steal her life, and trap the other innocent ghosts back in that realm. However, Ell Elle is repeatedly called out that she wasn't the only victim, and she's knowingly condemning the others for her selfish gain. Ell Elle admits she doesn't care about the others as long as [[ItsAllAboutMe she gets what she wants]].]]
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* ''Film/TheCarmillaMovie'': From [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries the original web series]], [[spoiler:Ell Sheridan is initially thought of a tragic romantic figure; someone who betrayed Carmilla to her mother, and was subsequently sacrificed to a Deep One, and trapped in a nightmare realm. As a ghost, Ell has become hateful and vindictive towards Carmilla, and plans to steal her life, and trap the other innocent ghosts back in that realm. However, Ell is repeatedly called out that she wasn't the only victim of this realm, and she's knowingly condemning the others for her selfish gain.]] This overlaps with FreudianExcuseDenial and RedemptionRejection, [[spoiler:as Ell admits she doesn't care about the other spirits as long as she gets what she wants, and shoots down Laura's attempts to appeal to her. Mel shuts Ell up by shooting her, bluntly telling Ell it's not about her anymore.]]
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* ''Film/TheCarmillaMovie'': From [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries the original web series]], [[spoiler:Ell Sheridan is initially thought of a tragic romantic figure; someone who betrayed Carmilla to her mother, and was subsequently before being sacrificed to a Deep One, and trapped in a nightmare realm. As a ghost, Ell has become hateful and vindictive towards Carmilla, and plans to steal her life, and trap the other innocent ghosts back in that realm. However, Ell is repeatedly called out that she wasn't the only victim of this realm, victim, and she's knowingly condemning the others for her selfish gain.]] This overlaps with FreudianExcuseDenial and RedemptionRejection, [[spoiler:as gain. Ell admits she doesn't care about the other spirits others as long as [[ItsAllAboutMe she gets what she wants, and shoots down Laura's attempts to appeal to her. Mel shuts Ell up by shooting her, bluntly telling Ell it's not about her anymore.wants]].]]
