History Flanderization / WesternAnimation

19th May '17 7:47:24 PM TommyTiger
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* The show itself. As its own page says, it turned from a relatively conventional kid's show with slight GrossOutShow and GagSeries tendencies to a BlackComedy SadistShow GagSeries that involves [[CrapsackWorld apocalyptically retarded/mean characters]] in surreal situations in a show that [[CrossesTheLineTwice wouldn't be out of place in]] Creator/CartoonNetwork's Creator/AdultSwim lineup. It's safe to say that not a single TV show meant for all ages could change as much as this show.

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* The show itself. As its own page says, it turned from a relatively conventional kid's show with slight GrossOutShow and GagSeries tendencies to a BlackComedy SadistShow GagSeries that involves [[CrapsackWorld apocalyptically retarded/mean characters]] in surreal situations in a show that [[CrossesTheLineTwice wouldn't be out of place in]] Creator/CartoonNetwork's Creator/AdultSwim lineup. It's safe to say that not a single no animated TV show meant for all ages could change as much as this show.
2nd May '17 5:19:04 AM Erin582
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** Furthermore, in the Treehouse of Horror segment where the current Simpsons met their Tracey Ullman shorts equivalent, it was lampshaded how much more laid-back and sweet the old Marge was versus the [[StopHavingFunGuy stern, hypocritical]] Marge as of late, so much that the new Homer finds himself attracted to the old Marge and vice-versa. Plus, it's rather telling that when the family photo of both sets of Simpsons is taken and after [[spoiler: old Marge begins to strangle new Marge in the picture, new Homer doesn't intervene or even react to it.]]



* Krusty the Clown went from being [[HatesTheJobLovesTheLimelight a slightly weary and cynical old showbiz figure]][[note]]Though he did show that he cared sometimes like the ending of "Kamp Krusty".[[/note]], to [[TookALevelInJerkass a greedy, shameless sellout who doesn't care the slightest if his licensing products are crappy, or even downright dangerous]]. (He actually was originally Homer himself in disguise - note the artwork - but that was [[AbortedArc abandoned]] early.)

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* Krusty the Clown went from being a cheery and fun-loving children's entertainer who loved having the camera on him to [[HatesTheJobLovesTheLimelight a slightly weary and cynical old showbiz figure]][[note]]Though he did show that he cared sometimes like the ending of "Kamp Krusty".[[/note]], to [[TookALevelInJerkass a greedy, shameless sellout who doesn't care the slightest if his licensing products are crappy, or even downright dangerous]]. (He actually was originally Homer himself in disguise - note the artwork - but that was [[AbortedArc abandoned]] early.)
23rd Apr '17 11:13:54 AM MarioAndSpongeBobFan
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** [[WesternAnimation/SpaceJam Lola Bunny]] is a particularly vexing example, being transformed from a [[TheLadette tough-as-nails]] ActionGirl to a [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} hyperactive ditz]] who is a StalkerWithACrush to Bugs. However, for some people, [[TropesAreTools this is an improvement]].
16th Apr '17 4:30:42 PM cjqtwm
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** It's worth noting was that ''Maude'' was often the pious, judgmental representation of the show's Christianity, seeing as she was friends with Helen Lovejoy. In "Bart of Darkness", she even went to Bible camp due to a fear of ''not being judgmental enough''. She's also highly suspicious of Marge in "Marge in Chains", despite Ned totally acting the opposite. With Maggie Roswell's departure, and Maude and Helen no longer around to "think of the children", Ned took their place.

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** It's worth noting was that ''Maude'' was often the pious, judgmental pious representation of the show's Christianity, seeing as she was friends with Helen Lovejoy. In "Bart of Darkness", she even went to Bible camp due to a fear of ''not being judgmental enough''. She's also highly suspicious of Marge in "Marge in Chains", despite Ned totally acting the opposite. With Maggie Roswell's departure, and Maude and Helen no longer around to "think of the children", Ned took their place.
16th Apr '17 4:30:15 PM cjqtwm
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** It's worth noting was that Maude often ''was'' the pious, judgmental representation of the show's Christianity, seeing as she was friends with Helen Lovejoy. In "Bart of Darkness", she even went to Bible camp due to a fear of ''not being judgmental enough''. She's also highly suspicious of Marge in "Marge in Chains", despite Ned totally acting the opposite. With Maggie Roswell's departure, and Maude and Helen no longer around to "think of the children", Ned took their place.

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** It's worth noting was that Maude ''Maude'' was often ''was'' the pious, judgmental representation of the show's Christianity, seeing as she was friends with Helen Lovejoy. In "Bart of Darkness", she even went to Bible camp due to a fear of ''not being judgmental enough''. She's also highly suspicious of Marge in "Marge in Chains", despite Ned totally acting the opposite. With Maggie Roswell's departure, and Maude and Helen no longer around to "think of the children", Ned took their place.
16th Apr '17 4:28:04 PM cjqtwm
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** It's worth noting was that Maude often ''was'' the pious, judgmental representation of the show's Christianity, seeing as she was friends with Helen Lovejoy. In "Bart of Darkness", she even went to Bible camp due to a fear of ''not being judgmental enough''. She's also highly suspicious of Marge in "Marge in Chains", despite Ned totally acting the opposite. With Maggie Roswell's departure, and Maude and Helen no longer around to "think of the children", Ned took their place.
13th Apr '17 8:41:01 PM Psi001
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** In addition, their contempt for [[TrappedInVillainy the Urpneys]] (which was originally more just self defensive apathy in the pilot) got exaggerated to relentless UnscrupulousHero levels, with them frequently taking much more sadistic pleasure tormenting the Urpneys [[DisproportionateRetribution far beyond the means of defense]] than [[PragmaticVillainy vise versa]]. This reached it's lowest point in "The Dream Beam Invasion" where they border MilesGloriosus bullies who back cowardly from their usual onslaught the moment the Urpneys become even slightly threatening, [[ATasteOfDefeat thus costing them a victory]]. After that, the writers seemed to get the point and similarly reverted things back.

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** In addition, their contempt RevengeMyopia for [[TrappedInVillainy the Urpneys]] (which was originally more just self defensive apathy in the pilot) got exaggerated to relentless UnscrupulousHero levels, with them frequently preaching how evil Blob's men were and taking much more sadistic pleasure tormenting the Urpneys them [[DisproportionateRetribution far beyond the means of defense]] than [[PragmaticVillainy vise versa]]. This reached it's lowest point in "The Dream Beam Invasion" where they border MilesGloriosus bullies who back cowardly from their usual onslaught panic and opt out the moment the Urpneys [[TheDragAlong Frizz]] and Nug [[ThenLetMeBeEvil become even slightly threatening, as malicious as they always claim them to be]], [[ATasteOfDefeat thus costing them a victory]]. After that, the writers seemed to get the point and similarly reverted things back.them back to more pragmatic characters.
8th Apr '17 3:37:06 PM Vir
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* Grandpa, and several other characters, get this bad in ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' animated series. While Huey was always the reasonable one in the show, seasons 1 and 2 saw the Idiot and Smart ball passed around fairly evenly. Grandpa was a hard working, well meaning person who occasionally did stupid things due to lack of foresight and bad luck. However his character was solid enough that he could drop anvils on shady characters like Uncle Ruckus and A Pimp Named Slickback, and words of wisdom to Huey believably. By season 3 it's clear he's an idiot, and by season 4 he's the worst regularly occurring Black person on the show, and only a handful of steps away from being a Black Homer Simpson. (By that time however, creator Aaron [=McGruder=] was no longer attached to the program, so it could be argued that everyone's writing suffered.)

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* Grandpa, and several other characters, get this bad in ''WesternAnimation/TheBoondocks'' animated series. While Huey was always the reasonable one in the show, seasons 1 and 2 saw the Idiot and Smart ball Ball passed around fairly evenly. Grandpa was a hard working, well meaning well-meaning person who occasionally did stupid things due to lack of foresight and bad luck. However his character was solid enough that he could drop anvils on shady characters like Uncle Ruckus and A Pimp Named Slickback, and words of wisdom to Huey believably. By season 3 it's clear he's an idiot, and by season 4 he's the worst regularly occurring Black black person on the show, and only a handful of steps away from being a Black black Homer Simpson. (By that time however, creator Aaron [=McGruder=] was no longer attached to the program, so it could be argued that everyone's writing suffered.)
2nd Apr '17 3:05:06 PM jormis29
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*** Fred's love of the Mystery Machine came to a head in ''Frankencreepy'', when it gets destroyed during the first few minutes and sends him into a state of depression for the rest of the film until he tries to replace it with a wooden carriage.
** In the 1980s series ''The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries'' and the ''WesternAnimation/The13GhostsOfScoobyDoo'', Fred and Velma were gone and Daphne became the leader of the Scooby Gang and was more intelligent and the one solving the mysteries. She retained her original hotness with Velma's brains added in.

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*** Fred's love of the Mystery Machine came to a head in ''Frankencreepy'', ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooFrankencreepy Frankencreepy]]'', when it gets destroyed during the first few minutes and sends him into a state of depression for the rest of the film until he tries to replace it with a wooden carriage.
** In the 1980s series ''The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries'' ''WesternAnimation/TheNewScoobyDooMysteries'' and the ''WesternAnimation/The13GhostsOfScoobyDoo'', Fred and Velma were gone and Daphne became the leader of the Scooby Gang and was more intelligent and the one solving the mysteries. She retained her original hotness with Velma's brains added in.



** Scooby-Doo himself was originally just scared easily but ever since ''What's New, Scooby-Doo?'' he has been looked upon as a full-blown coward to the point just uttering the words "haunted" and "place" in the same sentence will make him run and hide for cover. The same with Shaggy as well.

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** Scooby-Doo himself was originally just scared easily but ever since ''What's New, Scooby-Doo?'' ''WesternAnimation/WhatsNewScoobyDoo'' he has been looked upon as a full-blown coward to the point just uttering the words "haunted" and "place" in the same sentence will make him run and hide for cover. The same with Shaggy as well.
24th Mar '17 4:21:38 PM Manny20444
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** Ben himself was Flanderized in an ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'' episode where his ten-year-old self appeared. Somehow, Ben as a ten-year-old is even less well behaved than the Ben from ''Ben 10''.

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** Ben himself was Flanderized in an ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'' episode where his ten-year-old self appeared. Somehow, Ben as a ten-year-old is even less well behaved than the 10 year old Ben from ''Ben 10''.



** Amazingly, ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' put it even further by flanderizing his younger incarnation ''again''. Ben from the original show was an immature brat, sure, but he would get serious when actual danger showed up, and show a more mature, softer side on occasion. This show portrays him in the flashbacks as obnoxious, bumbling and [[UpToEleven even more]] of a {{Jerkass}} than he was in ''Ultimate Alien''.

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** Amazingly, ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' put it even further by flanderizing his younger incarnation ''again''. 10 year old Ben from the original show series was an immature brat, sure, but he would get serious when actual danger showed up, and show a more mature, softer side on occasion. This show portrays him Ben (who is 11 years old) in the flashbacks as more obnoxious, bumbling bumbling, immature, and [[UpToEleven even more]] of a {{Jerkass}} than he was in ''Ultimate Alien''.
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