History Flanderization / AnimeAndManga

3rd Apr '18 7:45:35 PM LlamaAdventure
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** Kawachi. He started out as a talented baker with "real person" problems and a tendency [[TheWatson to need to have the hero's eccentricities explained to him]] (and thus the [[AudienceSurrogate reader]]). Over the course of the volumes this degenerated into him becoming a total ButtMonkey, suffering any indignation or humiliation that the other characters were apparently too cool to have happen to them, and a tendency to shout disbelief at any tiny thing, causing others to mock and ridicule him. It finally culminated in even his beloved mother and younger siblings being dismissive of his abilities, and as the series went on he became the equivalent of Krillin hanging out with Goku and Vegeta... only without the abiding affection and/or small amount of respect those two gave Krillin, as Kawachi's "friends" took to using him to literally waste the opposing team's time. The worst part of this is near the end of the manga, where it's teased that Kawaichi's flanderization may finally be undone when he challenges Azuma to a bake-off after enough TrainingFromHell to compete on his level, only for Azuma to win by default because the RealityWarper [[ItMakesSenseInContext powers of his bread]] rendered the judge unable to eat bread ''at all'', and thus be unable to judge Kawaichi's bread. Kawaichi's ButtMonkey status nearly doubled from that point on.

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** Kawachi. He started out as a talented baker with "real person" problems and a tendency [[TheWatson to need to have the hero's eccentricities explained to him]] (and thus the [[AudienceSurrogate reader]]). Over the course of the volumes this degenerated into him becoming a total ButtMonkey, suffering any indignation or humiliation that the other characters were apparently too cool to have happen to them, and a tendency to shout disbelief at any tiny thing, causing others to mock and ridicule him. It finally culminated in even his beloved mother and younger siblings being dismissive of his abilities, and as the series went on he became the equivalent of Krillin hanging out with Goku and Vegeta... only without the abiding affection and/or small amount of respect those two gave Krillin, as Kawachi's "friends" took to using him to literally waste the opposing team's time. The worst part of this is near the end of the manga, where it's teased that Kawaichi's Kawachi's flanderization may finally be undone when he challenges Azuma to a bake-off after enough TrainingFromHell to compete on his level, only for Azuma to win by default because the RealityWarper [[ItMakesSenseInContext powers of his bread]] rendered the judge unable to eat bread ''at all'', and thus be unable to judge Kawaichi's bread. Kawaichi's ButtMonkey status nearly doubled from that point on.
3rd Apr '18 7:31:38 PM LlamaAdventure
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** Kawachi. He started out as a talented baker with "real person" problems and a tendency [[TheWatson to need to have the hero's eccentricities explained to him]] (and thus the [[AudienceSurrogate reader]]). Over the course of the volumes this degenerated into him becoming a total ButtMonkey, suffering any indignation or humiliation that the other characters were apparently too cool to have happen to them, and a tendency to shout disbelief at any tiny thing, causing others to mock and ridicule him. It finally culminated in even his beloved mother and younger siblings being dismissive of his abilities, and as the series went on he became the equivalent of Krillin hanging out with Goku and Vegeta... only without the abiding affection and/or small amount of respect those two gave Krillin, as Kawachi's "friends" took to using him to literally waste the opposing team's time.

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** Kawachi. He started out as a talented baker with "real person" problems and a tendency [[TheWatson to need to have the hero's eccentricities explained to him]] (and thus the [[AudienceSurrogate reader]]). Over the course of the volumes this degenerated into him becoming a total ButtMonkey, suffering any indignation or humiliation that the other characters were apparently too cool to have happen to them, and a tendency to shout disbelief at any tiny thing, causing others to mock and ridicule him. It finally culminated in even his beloved mother and younger siblings being dismissive of his abilities, and as the series went on he became the equivalent of Krillin hanging out with Goku and Vegeta... only without the abiding affection and/or small amount of respect those two gave Krillin, as Kawachi's "friends" took to using him to literally waste the opposing team's time. The worst part of this is near the end of the manga, where it's teased that Kawaichi's flanderization may finally be undone when he challenges Azuma to a bake-off after enough TrainingFromHell to compete on his level, only for Azuma to win by default because the RealityWarper [[ItMakesSenseInContext powers of his bread]] rendered the judge unable to eat bread ''at all'', and thus be unable to judge Kawaichi's bread. Kawaichi's ButtMonkey status nearly doubled from that point on.
27th Feb '18 8:14:24 AM ChrisTheS
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** While Tomoyo has always been comically obsessed with dressing and filming Sakura, as of the ''Clear Card'' season, it seems to have become her only reason for existing. Her role as SecretKeeper having been largely usurped by Syaoran and Sakura herself acting a little more mature, all that's left for poor Daidouji is to exclaim woefully every time she fails to capture Sakura on camera.
23rd Feb '18 2:58:30 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Ami is a more subtle case, Sailor Moon R felt the need to give it a bump to the point where she can't seem to go most episodes without mentioning the need to study. Though given the fact that the girls are studying to pass their high school entrance exams, this can be somewhat understood.

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** Ami is a more subtle case, Sailor ''Sailor Moon R R'' felt the need to give it a bump to the point where she can't seem to go most episodes without mentioning the need to study. Though given the fact that the girls are studying to pass their high school entrance exams, this can be somewhat understood.understood.
** Makoto falling for someone who reminds her of her old boyfriend was just part of her introduction in the original manga, but is made into a recurring part of her character in the anime.
23rd Feb '18 2:51:25 PM Isaac_Heller
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** In order to distinguish Minako from Usagi (who was actually an {{Expy}} of Minako from ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'' in the manga), she was made more ditzy and less mature as the anime went on (compare her introduction in the first season to how she's acting by the last), which is actually a reverse from the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]], where she became more mature and intelligent as the series progressed.
*** Heck in the first series Minako was more the EveryGirl than anything with her only real "ditzy" aspect being she would get her proverbs mixed up.

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** In order to distinguish Minako from Usagi (who was actually an {{Expy}} of Minako from ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'' in the manga), she was made more ditzy and less mature as the anime went on (compare her introduction in the first season to - where she was more the EveryGirl than anything with her only real "ditzy" aspect being she would get her proverbs mixed up - with how she's she was acting by in the last), which is actually a reverse from the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]], where she became more mature and intelligent as the series progressed.
*** Heck in the first series Minako was more the EveryGirl than anything with her only real "ditzy" aspect being she would get her proverbs mixed up.
progressed.
18th Feb '18 9:44:15 AM Mikasa
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* ''Anime/RurouniKenshin''
** Main character Kenshin Himura became somewhat more of a klutz after the first few arcs, but it didn't become REALLY apparent until after the Kyoto arc.
18th Feb '18 9:37:13 AM Mikasa
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* Minako from ''Anime/SailorMoon'', in order to distinguish her from Usagi (who was actually an {{Expy}} of Minako from ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'' in the manga), was made more ditzy and less mature as the anime went on (compare her introduction in the first season to how she's acting by the last), which is actually a reverse from the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]], where she became more mature and intelligent as the series progressed.
** Heck in the first series Minako was more the EveryGirl than anything with her only real "ditzy" aspect being she would get her proverbs mixed up.

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* Minako from ''Anime/SailorMoon'', in *''Anime/SailorMoon'',
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order to distinguish her Minako from Usagi (who was actually an {{Expy}} of Minako from ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'' in the manga), she was made more ditzy and less mature as the anime went on (compare her introduction in the first season to how she's acting by the last), which is actually a reverse from the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]], where she became more mature and intelligent as the series progressed.
** *** Heck in the first series Minako was more the EveryGirl than anything with her only real "ditzy" aspect being she would get her proverbs mixed up.up.
** Ami is a more subtle case, Sailor Moon R felt the need to give it a bump to the point where she can't seem to go most episodes without mentioning the need to study. Though given the fact that the girls are studying to pass their high school entrance exams, this can be somewhat understood.
3rd Feb '18 8:43:36 PM pgj1997
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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' - By mid-Johto many recurring characters are little more than walking collections of running gags, with Takeshi/Brock having his CasanovaWannabe aspect overshadowing his wisecracking and being a BigBrotherMentor to Satoshi/Ash, and the Team Rocket trio's comedy overshadowing their competence.

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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' - By mid-Johto many recurring characters are little more than walking collections of running gags, with Takeshi/Brock Brock having his CasanovaWannabe aspect overshadowing his wisecracking and being a BigBrotherMentor to Satoshi/Ash, Ash, and the Team Rocket trio's comedy overshadowing their competence.



** Satoshi/Ash, the main character, is noteworthy in that he started out as an IdiotHero mainly due to his ''immaturity'' rather than him being an actual idiot. As he's matured throughout the show, but the writers [[NotAllowedToGrowUp still want to keep his idiot traits]], his IdiotHero status is due to him being honestly mentally challenged. His ObliviousToLove trait is one of the most noteworthy: compare his early release of Butterfree because he knew full well it wanted to mate with a female and make babies to a more recent encounter with a Cottonee with the same problem, whom Ash thinks just wants to "get a best buddy".

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** Satoshi/Ash, Ash, the main character, is noteworthy in that he started out as an IdiotHero mainly due to his ''immaturity'' rather than him being an actual idiot. As he's matured throughout the show, but the writers [[NotAllowedToGrowUp still want to keep his idiot traits]], his IdiotHero status is due to him being honestly mentally challenged. His ObliviousToLove trait is one of the most noteworthy: compare his early release of Butterfree because he knew full well it wanted to mate with a female and make babies to a more recent encounter with a Cottonee with the same problem, whom Ash thinks just wants to "get a best buddy".
2nd Feb '18 3:38:52 PM zealots
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** Broly [[Film/BrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan in his first movie]] wasn't what you'd call a deep or interesting character; he was basically just a very powerful and sadistic brute who hated Goku because of [[DisproportionateRetribution a weird childhood trauma.]] But he did have dialogue, and even a BadassBoast or two, and it was shown he at least had a brain in there. In the later films, and most of his appearances in games and specials, his insanity and his obsession with Goku became his sole character traits, to the point that his dialogue now primarily consisted of [[SayMyName screaming Goku's name]]. It's become fairly common fanon that his signature SuperMode is degrading his mind, but as he stays that way even when he's not in that form...

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** Broly [[Film/BrolyTheLegendarySuperSaiyan in his first movie]] wasn't what you'd call a deep particularly talkative or interesting emotive character; he was basically just introduced as a very powerful quiet and sadistic brute meek Saiyan who seemed content to let more dominating personalities like Vegeta boss him around. Midway through the movie came TheReveal that he was an actually an AxCrazy [[TheBerserker berserker warrior]] whose insanity was being suppressed by his father and that he hated Goku because of [[DisproportionateRetribution a weird childhood trauma.]] [[NoInfantileAmnesia Goku's nonstop crying frightened him the day he was born]]. But even in his maniacal Legendary Super Saiyan state he did have has dialogue, a handful of [[BadassBoast Badass Boasts]] and even a BadassBoast or two, enough brainpower to anticipate his father's DirtyCoward escape and it was shown he at least had a brain in there. In beat him to the later films, punch. In his sequel appearance, and most of his appearances in games and specials, specials thereafter, his insanity and his obsession with Goku became have become his sole character traits, to the point that his dialogue now primarily consisted consists of [[SayMyName screaming Goku's name]]. It's become fairly common fanon that his signature SuperMode is degrading his mind, but as he stays a compelling argument in light of the fact that way even when he's not in he rarely ever appears ''outside'' of that form...form.
24th Jan '18 6:32:55 PM Loekman3
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** ''Super'' also messes around with Goku's personality, at times making him more like his ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' counterpart in regards to his BloodKnight tendencies. He displays a childlike fixation on fighting, challenge anyone and everyone up to the literal King of Everything, and never seems to consider whether it's appropriate or what the consequences of his actions might be. In fact, a good portion of the fandom blames him for the events of the Future Trunks Saga, since [[spoiler:his challenging Zamasu to a fight is what drove the latter to decide that all mortals were too dangerous and needed to be wiped out]]. He only once displays anything resembling the cold, focused anger he demonstrated with Freeza, and that comes when [[spoiler:Goku Black says that he killed his universe's versions of Chi-Chi and Goten after stealing Goku's body]].

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** ''Super'' also messes around with Goku's personality, at times making him more like his ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' counterpart in regards to his BloodKnight tendencies. He displays a childlike fixation on fighting, challenge anyone and everyone up to the literal King of Everything, and never seems to consider whether it's appropriate or what the consequences of his actions might be. In fact, a good portion of the fandom blames him for the events of the Future Trunks and Universe Survival Saga, since [[spoiler:his challenging Zamasu to a fight is what drove the latter to decide that all mortals were too dangerous and needed to be wiped out]].out]] while the latter has him reminding Zen'O for the tournament so he can fight strong opponents only for the Omni-King to declare the losing universes to immediately be erased from existence. He only once displays anything resembling the cold, focused anger he demonstrated with Freeza, and that comes when [[spoiler:Goku Black says that he killed his universe's versions of Chi-Chi and Goten after stealing Goku's body]].
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