History Film / ZeroDarkThirty

29th Apr '16 2:13:42 AM SuckerPerpetrator
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* ShownTheirWork: Particularly notable when compared to the director's other work, [[{{Film/TheHurtLocker}} Critical Research Failure: The Movie]]
18th Feb '16 6:40:12 PM TheJrade1
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* LoudOfWar: This is one of Dan's many torture methods. He leaves hard rock music at a very high volume all night inside Ammar's cell.

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* LoudOfWar: This is one of Dan's many torture methods.methods, one of the few portrayed that is in actual use. He leaves hard rock music at a very high volume all night inside Ammar's cell.



* ShownTheirWork: Particularly dramatic when compared to the director's other work, [[{{Film/TheHurtLocker}} Critical Research Failure: The Movie]]

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* ShownTheirWork: Particularly dramatic notable when compared to the director's other work, [[{{Film/TheHurtLocker}} Critical Research Failure: The Movie]]



* TortureAlwaysWorks: A lot can, and has, been written about whether the film uses this trope. The filmmakers insist the film depicts torture as ineffective, but too many people to ignore have come away from it saying the opposite of this. The point of the torture scenes in the film is really part of a morality play: "Is Maya justified using any means necessary to find Osama bin Laden?" The fact that [[{{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding}} less dramatic torture techniques]] were used in a smaller number of instances they were actually employed in the actual pursuit of bin Laden is largely ignored in favor of portraying a more obvious/ham-handed morality play. And for a concrete answer, [[spoiler:the information that comes on Abu Ahmed is from a non-torture questioning of a militant by the Pakistani government, and overlooked files that shed light on the fact that Abu Ahmed might be another person. The extended torture in the beginning led to nothing, as all it does is lead to a snapped detainee screaming incoherently (and leads to a terror attack that wasn't stopped) and information that is next-to-useless.]]

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* TortureAlwaysWorks: A lot can, and has, been written about whether the film uses this trope. The filmmakers insist the film depicts torture as ineffective, but too many people to ignore have come away from it saying the opposite of this. The point of the torture scenes in the film is really part of a morality play: "Is Maya justified using any means necessary to find Osama bin Laden?" The fact that [[{{https://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding}} org/wiki/Waterboarding less dramatic torture techniques]] were used in a smaller number of instances they were actually employed in the actual pursuit of bin Laden is largely ignored in favor of portraying a more obvious/ham-handed morality play. And for a concrete answer, [[spoiler:the information that comes on Abu Ahmed is from a non-torture questioning of a militant by the Pakistani government, and overlooked files that shed light on the fact that Abu Ahmed might be another person. The extended torture in the beginning led to nothing, as all it does is lead to a snapped detainee screaming incoherently (and leads to a terror attack that wasn't stopped) and information that is next-to-useless.]]
18th Feb '16 6:31:15 PM TheJrade1
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* TortureAlwaysWorks: A lot can, and has, been written about whether the film uses this trope. The filmmakers insist the film depicts torture as ineffective, but too many people to ignore have come away from it saying the opposite of this. The point of the torture scenes in the film is really part of a morality play: "Is Maya justified using any means necessary to find Osama bin Laden?" And for a concrete answer, [[spoiler:the information that comes on Abu Ahmed is from a non-torture questioning of a militant by the Pakistani government, and overlooked files that shed light on the fact that Abu Ahmed might be another person. The extended torture in the beginning led to nothing, as all it does is lead to a snapped detainee screaming incoherently (and leads to a terror attack that wasn't stopped) and information that is next-to-useless.]]

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* TortureAlwaysWorks: A lot can, and has, been written about whether the film uses this trope. The filmmakers insist the film depicts torture as ineffective, but too many people to ignore have come away from it saying the opposite of this. The point of the torture scenes in the film is really part of a morality play: "Is Maya justified using any means necessary to find Osama bin Laden?" The fact that [[{{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding}} less dramatic torture techniques]] were used in a smaller number of instances they were actually employed in the actual pursuit of bin Laden is largely ignored in favor of portraying a more obvious/ham-handed morality play. And for a concrete answer, [[spoiler:the information that comes on Abu Ahmed is from a non-torture questioning of a militant by the Pakistani government, and overlooked files that shed light on the fact that Abu Ahmed might be another person. The extended torture in the beginning led to nothing, as all it does is lead to a snapped detainee screaming incoherently (and leads to a terror attack that wasn't stopped) and information that is next-to-useless.]]
18th Feb '16 6:10:57 PM TheJrade1
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* ShownTheirWork: Particularly dramatic when compared to the director's other work, [[{{Film/HurtLocker}} Critical Research Failure: The Movie]]

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* ShownTheirWork: Particularly dramatic when compared to the director's other work, [[{{Film/HurtLocker}} [[{{Film/TheHurtLocker}} Critical Research Failure: The Movie]]
18th Feb '16 6:06:54 PM TheJrade1
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* ShownTheirWork

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* ShownTheirWorkShownTheirWork: Particularly dramatic when compared to the director's other work, [[{{Film/HurtLocker}} Critical Research Failure: The Movie]]
15th Dec '15 7:07:18 AM Black_Diesel
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24th Oct '15 7:14:04 PM Fireblood
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* BigBrotherIsWatching: Maya uses massive amounts of US government satellite photos, surveillance footage and so on in the hunt for bin Laden. It is, however, eventually played with: when they zero in on Osama's compound, they attempt to gain as much information as they can. A briefing states that any overt approach - bugs, RC drones, observers - are both easily defeated by the compound's thick walls. Trees and bushes provide cover from satellites. bin Laden's courier only returns occasionally, and even then, it took extraordinary luck to track him.

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* BigBrotherIsWatching: Maya uses massive amounts of US government satellite photos, surveillance footage and so on in the hunt for bin Laden. It is, however, eventually played with: when they zero in on Osama's compound, they attempt to gain as much information as they can. A briefing states that any overt approach - bugs, RC drones, observers - are both easily defeated by the compound's thick walls. Trees and bushes provide cover from satellites. bin Bin Laden's courier only returns occasionally, and even then, it took extraordinary luck to track him.



** Likewise, at one point [[spoiler:the SEAL who first shot bin Laden ''is'' stunned by the realization that he shot "the third-floor guy", only for another SEAL to dismissively chuck a camera at him and tell him to get to work, namely photographing the body for ID purposes while the other [=SEALs=] ransack the place for any intel they can find]].
* CaliforniaDoubling: Jordan and India for Pakistan, which results in some strange things, such as extras speaking Arabic instead of Urdu and more people in traditional dress that you might normally see in Islamabad.
* CasualDangerDialogue: Played with, in that he's not the one in danger, but part of Dan's technique as an interrogator is to maintain a conversational tone or word choice even as the brutality of the interrogation escalates.

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** Likewise, at one point [[spoiler:the SEAL who first shot bin Bin Laden ''is'' stunned by the realization that he shot "the third-floor guy", only for another SEAL to dismissively chuck a camera at him and tell him to get to work, namely photographing the body for ID purposes while the other [=SEALs=] ransack the place for any intel they can find]].
* CaliforniaDoubling: Jordan and India for Pakistan, which results in some strange things, such as extras speaking Arabic instead of Urdu and more people in traditional dress that than you might normally see in Islamabad.
* CasualDangerDialogue: Played with, {{Played with}}, in that he's not the one in danger, but part of Dan's technique as an interrogator is to maintain a conversational tone or word choice even as the brutality of the interrogation escalates.



* DeathIsDramatic: Averted. [[spoiler: Bin Laden is gunned down just as easily and quickly as the other people in his safe-house]], though those keeping score will know that [[spoiler:once Khalid is killed, Osama is the only adult male not yet accounted for in the house]].

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* DeathIsDramatic: Averted. {{Averted}}. [[spoiler: Bin Laden is gunned down just as easily and quickly as the other people in his safe-house]], safe house]], though those keeping score will know that [[spoiler:once Khalid is killed, Osama is the only adult male not yet accounted for in the house]].



* LastPlaceYouLook: Maya finally tracked down bin Laden when she realized that the CIA's assumption that he was hiding in some cave in a remote mountain region, surrounded by an army of bodyguards is wrong. In reality, he was hiding in an large house in a semi-urban area with practically only his relatives as his staff. And with the Pakistani equivalent of West Point less than a mile away. [[note]]about 8/10ths[[/note]]
** Part of the reason why bin Laden's courier took so long to track was that CIA didn't take into account the fact that Abu belonged to a big family, and that three of the eldest sons looked very similar, especially with the beard, ''and'' that his generic name was only part of his real name. All of this information came from overlooked files.
* LoudOfWar: Is one of Dan's many torture methods. He leaves hard rock music at a very high volume all night inside Ammar's cell.
* MarriedToTheJob: It's established that Maya has no boyfriend (or any other kind of [[LesYay "friend"]]). [[{{Foil}} In contrast,]] in that same scene we can see Jessica's wedding ring. She also encourages Maya to date (or at least have a one night stand) with Jack. [[spoiler:After her death, it's revealed she's the mother of three.]]

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* LastPlaceYouLook: Maya finally tracked down bin Bin Laden when she realized that the CIA's assumption that he was hiding in some cave in a remote mountain region, surrounded by an army of bodyguards bodyguards, is wrong. In reality, he was hiding in an a large house in a semi-urban area with practically only his relatives as his staff. And with the Pakistani equivalent of West Point less than a mile away. [[note]]about 8/10ths[[/note]]
[[note]]About 8/10ths.[[/note]]
** Part of the reason why bin Bin Laden's courier took so long to track was that CIA didn't take into account the fact that Abu belonged to a big family, and that three of the eldest sons looked very similar, especially with the beard, ''and'' that his generic name was only part of his real name. All of this information came from overlooked files.
* LoudOfWar: Is This is one of Dan's many torture methods. He leaves hard rock music at a very high volume all night inside Ammar's cell.
* MarriedToTheJob: It's established that Maya has no boyfriend (or any other kind of [[LesYay "friend"]]). [[{{Foil}} In contrast,]] in that same scene we can see Jessica's wedding ring. She also encourages Maya to date (or at least have a one night stand) with Jack. [[spoiler:After her death, it's revealed she's the mother of three.three children.]]



* MoodWhiplash: ''Lots''. Jessica and Maya chatting and joking leading directly into [[spoiler:the Islamabad hotel bombing.]] The [=SEALs=] joking about PrisonRape, right before the authorization to raid bin Laden's compound comes down the pipe. Dan feeding ice cream to his monkeys and getting it stolen after a very long and uncomfortable torture sequence, and later, joking that he's leaving his post because he's seen too many naked guys.

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* MoodWhiplash: ''Lots''. Jessica and Maya chatting and joking leading directly into [[spoiler:the Islamabad hotel bombing.]] The [=SEALs=] joking about PrisonRape, right before the authorization to raid bin Bin Laden's compound comes down the pipe. Dan feeding ice cream to his monkeys and getting it stolen after a very long and uncomfortable torture sequence, and later, joking that he's leaving his post because he's seen too many naked guys.



* RevealingCoverup: The CIA agents notice their primary suspect to follow was that his manner of contacting people is so obviously careful to avoid being followed that he stood out.

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* RevealingCoverup: The What the CIA agents notice about their primary suspect to follow was is that his manner of contacting people is was so obviously careful to avoid being followed that he stood out.



* TrailersAlwaysLie: The first teaser trailer makes it sound like the "ghost" they track is bin Laden - in reality, it's a courier who is suspected to be a direct go-to for Osama.
* TooDumbToLive: Jessica waving the Jordanian mole through security without him being checked, saying that it would spook him. [[spoiler: the "mole" is actually a suicide bomber, and it gets her killed]]

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* TrailersAlwaysLie: The first teaser trailer makes it sound like the "ghost" they track is bin Bin Laden - in reality, it's a courier who is suspected to be a direct go-to for Osama.
* TooDumbToLive: Jessica waving the Jordanian mole through security without him being checked, saying that it would spook him. [[spoiler: the The "mole" is actually a suicide bomber, and it gets her killed]]killed.]]
9th Oct '15 2:29:30 AM darkjezter
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* BoomHeadshot: How Bin Laden bites it.
1st Feb '15 10:02:07 AM GottamsReckoning
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->''"I'm going to smoke everyone involved in this op and then I'm going kill bin Laden."''
-->--'''Maya'''


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* LoudOfWar: Is one of Dan's many torture methods. He leaves hard rock music at a very high volume all night inside Ammar's cell.
16th Jan '15 12:17:15 AM gallium
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Observant viewers will notice that the tail section of the super-secret stealth helicopter escapes the demolition charge. The film chooses not to follow up on this.
** In real life, the tail was indeed found and photographed by reporters on the scene, which is how the information that the US even ''has'' stealth Blackhawks got out in the first place.
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