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* EndOfAnAge: [[spoiler: The destruction of the One Ring and the Second Defeat of Sauron marked the end of the Age of Elves and of magic in Middle-earth; the Third Age. In turn, it would give rise to the Fourth Age, which would become known as the Age of Men.]]

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* EndOfAnAge: [[spoiler: The destruction of the One Ring and the Second Defeat of Sauron marked the end of the Age of Elves and of magic in Middle-earth; the Third Age. In turn, it would give rise to the Fourth Age, which would become known as the Age of Men.]]Men]]. As melancholy as this is, it could have been much worse. The Age was going to End one way or another, and if it hadn't been [[spoiler: the Age of Men]], it would have been [[spoiler: the Time of the Orc]].
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Er... we don't know what Balin calls it, because he's dead before the film even starts. Gimli's dismissive "and 'they' call it a mine?" is likely referring to "people other than dwarves."


** Gimli's cousin, Balin, calls Moria, a dwarven mine and his (Balin's) own kingdom, a mine. A ''mine'', get it?
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* CruelAndUnusualDeath: While most of the casualties are to be expected of warfare (swords, arrows etc.), there are two instances of this:
** A Rohirrim soldier at Helm's Deep is hit directly by the massive grappling hook fired by the Uruk-Hai ballista. The shot knocks him clean of the wall.
** Several Gondorian soldiers are scooped up by the huge claws of a fell beast and dropped onto Minas Tirith from a great height.


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** Eomer's Rohirrim ambush the Uruk-Hai at night while they are camped outside Fangorn Forest. The Uruks barely have a chance to fight back and are slaughtered.
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** However, the next Rohirrim cavalry charge, head-on at the giant Oliphaunts while swatting at their legs, goes exactly as one would expect. However, this was due more to real-life considerations than artistic licence. According to the DVD commentaries, going by the book - ''shooting the Oliphaunts in the eyes'' - was deemed too gruesome and reminiscent of animal cruelty toward real elephants to be filmed.

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** However, the next Rohirrim cavalry charge, head-on at the giant Oliphaunts while swatting at their legs, goes exactly as one would expect. However, this was due more to real-life considerations than artistic licence. According to the DVD commentaries, going by the book - ''shooting the Oliphaunts in the eyes'' - was deemed too gruesome and reminiscent of animal cruelty toward real elephants to be filmed. In addition, the massive Oliphaunts could have wreaked havoc upon what remained of Minas Tirith's walls had they been able to reach them. By engaging them and distracting the beasts with hundreds of horses swarming around them, the Rohirrim end up buying the city more time.
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This just isn't true - Gimli calls Aragorn by name in Lorien ("Aragorn, we should turn back. These woods are perilous!" and Legolas by name at Helm's Deep ("Legolas! Two already!") Other times he calls Aragorn "Laddie" or "Horsemaster" for Eomer.


* HaveIMentionedIAmADwarfToday: Gimli does not deal with other people. It's always a dwarf dealing with an elf or a human. He almost completely refers to other people not by their name, but only by their race. He does refer to both Aragorn and Legolas by their names during their expedition to get the support of the Army of the Dead, but only once each.
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* BigBad: Sauron. His malevolence is retained because all his power was in the ring. He would be able to regain physical form if he retrieved the ring, and nearly every problem they deal with is connected to his power. [[note]]The only enemies not directly connected to Sauron are the three "monsters": the Balrog of Moria, which is a primordial enemy of a similar class of being to both Sauron and Gandalf, Shelob, a daughter of an EldritchAbomination that only cares about satisfying her endless hunger, and the Watcher in the Water, a... ''thing'' that attacks the Fellowship outside Moria for reasons unknown. [[/note]]

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* BigBad: Sauron. His malevolence is retained because all his power was in the ring. He would be able to regain physical form if he retrieved the ring, and nearly every problem they deal with is connected to his power. [[note]]The only enemies not directly connected to Sauron are the three "monsters": the Balrog of Moria, which is a primordial enemy of a similar class of being to both Sauron and Gandalf, Gandalf; Shelob, a daughter of an EldritchAbomination that only cares about satisfying her endless hunger, and the Watcher in the Water, a... ''thing'' that attacks the Fellowship outside Moria for reasons unknown. [[/note]]
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* BigBad: Sauron. His malevolence is retained because all his power was in the ring. He would be able to regain physical form if he retrieved the ring, and nearly every problem they deal with is connected to his power. [[note]]The only enemy not directly connected to Sauron is the Balrog of Moria, which is a primordial enemy of a similar class of being to both Sauron and Gandalf.[[/note]]

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* BigBad: Sauron. His malevolence is retained because all his power was in the ring. He would be able to regain physical form if he retrieved the ring, and nearly every problem they deal with is connected to his power. [[note]]The only enemy enemies not directly connected to Sauron is are the three "monsters": the Balrog of Moria, which is a primordial enemy of a similar class of being to both Sauron and Gandalf.Gandalf, Shelob, a daughter of an EldritchAbomination that only cares about satisfying her endless hunger, and the Watcher in the Water, a... ''thing'' that attacks the Fellowship outside Moria for reasons unknown. [[/note]]
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** Thanks to Peter Jackson's staging of the flashback with Elrond and Isildur, many who haven't read the books wonder why Elrond didn't just grab the Ring from Isildur and destroy it himself, or even just push Isildur into the lava if he wouldn't destroy something so ObviouslyEvil. In the books, there's no such epic confrontation since at the time "few marked what Isildur did" and not even Elrond really knew what the Ring did, only that it was an evil wrought by Sauron to master the other Rings and should be destroyed on that basis, not because it was Sauron's SoulJar. Therefore, when Isildur took the ring as a token of victory, a memorial to his father and brother's heroic deaths, and heirloom for his kids[[note]]Look up the tradition of ''weregild''[[/note]], no one really had any solid evidence to oppose him doing so.

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** Thanks to Peter Jackson's staging of the flashback with Elrond and Isildur, many who haven't read the books wonder why Elrond didn't just grab the Ring from Isildur and destroy it himself, or even just push Isildur into the lava if he wouldn't destroy something so ObviouslyEvil. In [[note]] other than the fact that ''this wouldn't work.'' The books and films establish firmly that any attempt to take the Ring corrupts the taker into keeping it themselves (look what happened to Gollum within a matter of minutes), even if their intentions are pure. Additionally, those asking why he didn't just push Isildur into Mount Doom are asking why one of the good guys didn't just ''straight-up murder one of his allies.''[[/note]]In the books, there's no such epic confrontation since at the time "few marked what Isildur did" and not even Elrond really knew what the Ring did, only that it was an evil wrought by Sauron to master the other Rings and should be destroyed on that basis, not because it was Sauron's SoulJar. Therefore, when Isildur took the ring as a token of victory, a memorial to his father and brother's heroic deaths, and heirloom for his kids[[note]]Look up the tradition of ''weregild''[[/note]], no one really had any solid evidence to oppose him doing so.
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Saying "Rule of Drama prevailed" is very complainy; Faramir was basically Tolkien's Author Avatar and there simply isn't enough justification for his lack of temptation that a general audience without knowledge of the book could understand.


** Faramir is also an example. In the book he immediately recognizes the danger of the Ring, thereby becoming the ''only'' "normal" Human in the entire story who isn't tempted by the Ring.[[note]]Aragorn isn't "normal" in this sense. He's an old-time Westerner and was raised by elves.[[/note]] Of course, RuleOfDrama prevailed, so in the movie he follows in his brother's footsteps and tries to get the Ring to Gondor, due to massive angst over being the less-favoured son. The scene of Denethor treating Faramir as TheUnfavourite also was added to justify this change.

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** Faramir is also an example. In the book he immediately recognizes the danger of the Ring, thereby becoming the ''only'' "normal" Human in the entire story who isn't tempted by the Ring.[[note]]Aragorn isn't "normal" in this sense. He's an old-time Westerner and was raised by elves.[[/note]] Of course, RuleOfDrama prevailed, The filmmakers thought that audiences wouldn't believe that a normal human wouldn't be tempted by the Ring (as the book never gives a compelling reason for this either) so in the movie he follows in his brother's footsteps and tries to get the Ring to Gondor, due to massive angst over being the less-favoured son. The scene of Denethor treating Faramir as TheUnfavourite also was added to justify this change.
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* VillainousBadlandHeroicArcadia:
** The Shire is very much an idyllic pastoral countryside, while the HiddenElfVillages of Rivendell and Lothlorien are closely intertwined with the natural setting around them -- Lothlorien itself is seamlessly integrated with the forest it's built into and out of.
** Saruman's fortress in Orthanc is a heavily industrialized waste, filled with smoke, burning forges constantly churning out weapons, and military camps packed with orcs. The movies make it a point to show Saruman destroying the former gardens and the nearby forest of Fangorn in the name of industrialization and war.
** Ironically played with in regards to Mordor itself. The northwestern parts of Mordor, known as the Plateau of Gorgoroth, fit the bill of a hostile, deserted wasteland, consisting chiefly of rocky barrens dominated by the looming shapes of Sauron's dark tower and the burning volcano of Mount Doom, but its southern half, according to the books, is covered in great swaths of incredibly fertile farmland and a large freshwater lake. Sauron uses human slaves to work farms in the area to feed his orc army. Naturally, however, we never actually see this region of Mordor, and it exists largely to justify how straight this trope is played in regards to the parts of Mordor we do see.
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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing plate and chainmail. That would be hard to do even for a pike, let alone a shield, even if it has two sharp edges.

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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing plate and chainmail.mail. That would be hard to do even for a pike, let alone a shield, even if it has two sharp edges.
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* ArcherArchetype: Legolas notably, and exaggerated somewhat from the books -- especially with the jumping on elephants and shooting point-blank.
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* AdaptationalWimp: Gondor gets hit with this big time. Due to the omission of Dol Amroth and reinforcements from other parts of the kingdom, it seems very much like Gondor is just a city-state in this continuity and all the soldiers within Minas Tirith is everything they have.

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* AdaptationalWimp: Gondor gets hit with this big time. Due to the omission of Dol Amroth and reinforcements from other parts of the kingdom, it seems very much like Gondor is just a city-state in this continuity and all the soldiers within Minas Tirith is everything they have. Gondorian soldiers are also depicted as total pushovers who can't defend anything on their own, failing to hold Minas Tirith while the Rhohirims can charge the orcs frontally and still emerge victorious.
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* AdaptationalWimp: Gondor gets hit with this big time. Due to the omission of Dol Amroth and reinforcements from other parts of Gondor, it's very easy for the audience to get the impression that the entirety of Gondor is just Minas Tirith and Osiliath.

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* AdaptationalWimp: Gondor gets hit with this big time. Due to the omission of Dol Amroth and reinforcements from other parts of Gondor, it's the kingdom, it seems very easy for the audience to get the impression that the entirety of much like Gondor is just a city-state in this continuity and all the soldiers within Minas Tirith and Osiliath.is everything they have.
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* AdaptationalWimp: Gondor gets hit with this big time. Due to the omission of Dol Amroth and reinforcements from other parts of Gondor, it's very easy for the audience to get the impression that the entirety of Gondor is just Minas Tirith and Osiliath.

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** During the surprise attack on Osiligath, a Gondorian sentry is killed instantly with an arrow to the chest despite wearing a plate cuirass. That would be implausible even [[https://youtu.be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=854 for a longbow]].

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** The Gondorians in general get hit with a very bad case of this. All of their soldiers save the rangers are wear plate armour, yet they still go down like flies against the orcs (who mostly wield swords and axes, though some do use hammers).
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During the surprise attack on Osiligath, a Gondorian sentry is killed instantly with an arrow to the chest despite wearing a plate cuirass. That would be implausible even [[https://youtu.be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=854 for a longbow]].
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** During the surprise attack on Osiligath, a Gondorian sentry is killed instantly with an arrow to the chest despite wearing a plate cuirass. That would be implausible even [[https://youtu.be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=827 for a longbow]].

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** During the surprise attack on Osiligath, a Gondorian sentry is killed instantly with an arrow to the chest despite wearing a plate cuirass. That would be implausible even [[https://youtu.be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=827 be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=854 for a longbow]].
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** During the surprise attack on Osiligath, a Gondorian sentry is killed instantly with an arrow to the chest despite wearing a plate cuirass.



** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing plate and chainmail. That would be hard to do even for a pike, let alone a shield.

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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing plate and chainmail. That would be hard to do even for a pike, let alone a shield.shield, even if it has two sharp edges.
** During the surprise attack on Osiligath, a Gondorian sentry is killed instantly with an arrow to the chest despite wearing a plate cuirass. That would be implausible even [[https://youtu.be/DBxdTkddHaE?t=827 for a longbow]].
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** During the surprise attack on Osiligath, a Gondorian sentry is killed instantly with an arrow to the chest despite wearing a plate cuirass.
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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Isildur did rule Gondor at one point, he would later relinquish it to his nephew Meneldil, thereby removing any claim he and his descendants had over it. The Council of Gondor would later make this into law, declaring that only the direct male-line descendants of Meneldil be allowed to sit on the throne. As someone who is only descended from Meneldil through a female ancestor, Aragorn does not fulfill that criterion and cannot simply walk into Gondor demanding his kingship. When Gandalf tells Denethor that he has no authority to deny the return of the king, that is a major deviation from the books, as Gondor has already done it once to Aragorn's own ancestor.

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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Isildur did rule Gondor at one point, he would later relinquish it to his nephew Meneldil, thereby removing any claim he and his descendants had over it. The Council of Gondor would later make this into law, declaring that only the direct male-line descendants of Meneldil be allowed are fit to sit on the throne. As someone who is only descended from Meneldil through a female ancestor, Aragorn does not fulfill that criterion and cannot simply walk into Gondor demanding his kingship. When Gandalf tells Denethor that he has no authority to deny the return of the king, that is a major deviation from the books, as Gondor has already done it once to Aragorn's own ancestor.
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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Isildur did rule Gondor at one point, he would later relinquish it to his nephew Meneldil, thereby removing any claim he and his descendants had over it. The Council of Gondor would later make this into law, demanding that only the direct male-line descendants of Meneldil be allowed to sit on the throne. As someone who is only related to Meneldil through a female ancestor, Aragorn does not fulfill that criterion and cannot simply walk into Gondor demanding his kingship. The nobility can just refuse him on the spot like they did to one of his ancestors.

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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Isildur did rule Gondor at one point, he would later relinquish it to his nephew Meneldil, thereby removing any claim he and his descendants had over it. The Council of Gondor would later make this into law, demanding declaring that only the direct male-line descendants of Meneldil be allowed to sit on the throne. As someone who is only related to descended from Meneldil through a female ancestor, Aragorn does not fulfill that criterion and cannot simply walk into Gondor demanding his kingship. The nobility can just refuse him on When Gandalf tells Denethor that he has no authority to deny the spot like they did return of the king, that is a major deviation from the books, as Gondor has already done it once to one of his ancestors.Aragorn's own ancestor.
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** The Uruk-hai army that attacks Helm's Deep definitely qualifies as a villainous version.

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** The Uruk-hai army that attacks Helm's Deep definitely qualifies as a villainous version. Indeed, they are shown to be bluntly superior to the Allied force, to the point that not even the overwhelming disadvantage of storming a castle can stop them for long. Even the aforementioned Elves with their millennia of fighting experience can only hold them at the Deeping Wall; as soon as it's breached, the Elven defenders fail to stem the tide and are forced to retreat to the Hornburg. The Rhohirims fare even worse against the Uruks, barely even able to stop them at the gate despite having a huge chokepoint advantage. Even after Aragorn and Gimli salvage the situation by sallying out to flank the Uruk column at the gate, their effort is instantly rendered moot as the Uruks unleash their war machines to quickly scale the Hornburg and rapidly overwhelm the Rhohirim defenders. It takes Gandalf arriving at a precise moment and the Ents intervening for the Free Peoples to stand a chance against them.
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** Averted on one particularly instance in Helm's Deep. Theoden gets stabbed by an Uruk spear while holding the gate, but it doesn't manage to go all the way through his armour and only lightly wounds him.
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** Averted on one particularly instance in Helm's Deep. Theoden gets stabbed by an Uruk spear while holding the gate, but it doesn't manage to go all the way through his armour and only lightly wounds him.
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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing full plate armor. That would be hard to do even for a pike, let alone a shield.

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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing full plate armor.and chainmail. That would be hard to do even for a pike, let alone a shield.
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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing full plate armor.

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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing full plate armor. That would be hard to do even for a pike, let alone a shield.
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** In the infamous surfboard sequence, the shield that Legolas uses as a surfing board manages to plant itself inside an Uruk even though he's wearing full plate armor.
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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Isildur did rule Gondor at one point, he would later relinquished it to his nephew Meneldil, thereby removing any claim he and his descendants had over it. The Council of Gondor would later make this into law, demanding that only the direct male-line descendants of Meneldil be allowed to sit on the throne. As someone who is only related to Meneldil through a female ancestor, Aragorn does not fulfill that criterion and cannot simply walk into Gondor demanding his kingship. The nobility can just refuse him on the spot like they did to one of his ancestors.

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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Isildur did rule Gondor at one point, he would later relinquished relinquish it to his nephew Meneldil, thereby removing any claim he and his descendants had over it. The Council of Gondor would later make this into law, demanding that only the direct male-line descendants of Meneldil be allowed to sit on the throne. As someone who is only related to Meneldil through a female ancestor, Aragorn does not fulfill that criterion and cannot simply walk into Gondor demanding his kingship. The nobility can just refuse him on the spot like they did to one of his ancestors.
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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Aragorn is the only surviving heir of Isildur's father, TheHighKing Elendil, as a descendent of Isildur he's actually only distantly related to the old Kings of Gondor (descended from Isildur's brother) and from a lineage that'd previously been excluded from the Gondorian succession.

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** The issue of Aragorn as heir to the throne of Gondor. While the films play it off as Aragorn's own reluctance to rule, if Boromir can recognize the heir of Isildur simply from the name 'Aragorn', then why weren't his ancestors made kings long ago? In the books, the issue is far more complicated since although Aragorn is the only surviving heir of Isildur's father, TheHighKing Elendil, as a descendent of Isildur he's actually did rule Gondor at one point, he would later relinquished it to his nephew Meneldil, thereby removing any claim he and his descendants had over it. The Council of Gondor would later make this into law, demanding that only distantly the direct male-line descendants of Meneldil be allowed to sit on the throne. As someone who is only related to the old Kings of Meneldil through a female ancestor, Aragorn does not fulfill that criterion and cannot simply walk into Gondor (descended from Isildur's brother) and from a lineage that'd previously been excluded from demanding his kingship. The nobility can just refuse him on the Gondorian succession.spot like they did to one of his ancestors.
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The theatrical versions were lengthy epics (all clocking around at 3-ish hours), and the "Extended Editions" (released before the succeeding movies) added at least another half-hour to each film's running time.[[note]]Around 12 minutes of that extra runtime is credits added for the fan community website.[[/note]] Unusual for such a thing, Peter Jackson has stated that the Extended Editions are not an actual DirectorsCut (feeling the term would unfairly imply that he was unsatisfied with the theatrical releases) but merely a fan-friendly extension to enlarge the world of Middle-earth and see what things they left out of the faster-paced theatrical versions.

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The theatrical versions were lengthy epics (all clocking at around at 3-ish hours), and the "Extended Editions" (released before the succeeding movies) added at least another half-hour to each film's running time.[[note]]Around 12 minutes of that extra runtime is credits added for the fan community website.[[/note]] Unusual for such a thing, Peter Jackson has stated that the Extended Editions are not an actual DirectorsCut (feeling the term would unfairly imply that he was unsatisfied with the theatrical releases) but merely a fan-friendly extension to enlarge the world of Middle-earth and see what things they left out of the faster-paced theatrical versions.

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