History Film / TheDevilsAdvocate

28th May '16 7:29:02 AM Tommoraptor
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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler:Eddie Barzoon.]]
14th Apr '16 2:10:49 AM Shadowgazer
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* AmoralAttorney: Satan himself runs an entire corrupt legal office with global connections, composed of immoral humans and his own demons. An explicit example is the protagonist, Kevin Lomax: while he does retain some moral qualms against defending a pedophile in the beginning of the movie, he more or less completely eschews them and becomes this trope.

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* AmoralAttorney: Satan himself runs an entire corrupt legal office with global connections, composed of immoral humans and his own demons. [[VillainProtagonist An explicit example is the protagonist, Kevin Lomax: Lomax]]: while he does retain some moral qualms against defending a pedophile in the beginning of the movie, he more or less completely eschews them and becomes this trope.
1st Apr '16 8:58:32 PM dmcreif
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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: Gainesville, Florida, is depicted as a small rural town rather than the actual, modern, skyscraper-encrusted college town that is the real Gainesville, Florida. "Gainesville"'s [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil War]]-era courthouse is, in reality, located in a tiny town thirty-two miles east of Gainesville.
* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Kevin's courtroom antics wouldn't exactly pass the bar in reality. Some of it might be justified given the revelations at the end.
** In the initial case with the child molester he presents some surprise evidence. This should have been presented during the pretrial discovery and would have resulted in sanctions against the defense and possibly a mistrial.
** Kevin Lomax is established as a Super Lawyer because he's "never lost a case". We're told that in his early career he worked in the local district attorney's office and had a string of 64 straight convictions, and he "didn't plead out often". This would actually indicate that he's a terrible prosecutor. First, prosecutors get to choose their cases, so he could have a string of "sure thing" prosecutions. Second, prosecuting these cases to trial would clog up the court's docket when he should be making plea bargains with the defendants. Odds are, the bulk of his victories would have been mundane cases where the defendant was guilty as hell and took a deal. It's worth noting that some real-life prosecutors trump themselves up by this claim, which usually comes from dropping or taking pleas on any case with a chance of failure. In Milton's rage-against-God speech near the end he even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] how impossible it is for a lawyer to have never lost a case and points out how supernatural influences were a factor.
** Kevin would not be disbarred for his actions at the end of the movie; in fact, he would be required to withdraw in that case as his client was using his services to further a criminal act.

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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: The movie opens in Gainesville, Florida, is depicted as Florida. Specifically, a small rural town rather than that looks ''nothing'' like the actual, modern, skyscraper-encrusted college town that is the real Gainesville, Florida. "Gainesville"'s Florida, but does look like a one-horse hick town in the middle of nowhere, which was probably the point. Apparently the producers wanted Kevin Lomax to be from a small rural town and picked Gainesville, Florida off of a map at random, not realizing that "small rural town" does ''not'' describe Gainesville, Florida, and hasn't for about a hundred years. The [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil War]]-era courthouse is, in reality, located "courthouse" where the trial was taking place is actually in a tiny one-stoplight town thirty-two some 32 miles east of Gainesville.
* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Kevin's courtroom antics wouldn't exactly pass
Gainesville, for example; the bar courthouses in reality. Some of it might be justified given the revelations at the end.
** In the initial case with the child molester he presents some surprise evidence. This should have been presented during the pretrial discovery and would have resulted in sanctions against the defense and possibly a mistrial.
** Kevin Lomax is established as a Super Lawyer because he's "never lost a case". We're told that in his early career he worked in the local district attorney's office and had a string of 64 straight convictions, and he "didn't plead out often". This would actually indicate that he's a terrible prosecutor. First, prosecutors get to choose their cases, so he could have a string of "sure thing" prosecutions. Second, prosecuting these cases to trial would clog up the court's docket when he should be making plea bargains with the defendants. Odds are, the bulk of his victories would have been mundane cases where the defendant was guilty as hell and took a deal. It's worth noting that some real-life prosecutors trump themselves up by this claim, which usually comes from dropping or taking pleas on any case with a chance of failure. In Milton's rage-against-God speech near the end he even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] how impossible it is for a lawyer to have never lost a case and points out how supernatural influences were a factor.
** Kevin would not be disbarred for his actions at the end of the movie; in fact, he would be required to withdraw in that case as his client was using his services to further a criminal act.
Gainesville proper are all modern, multistory buildings.



*HollywoodLaw:
**Kevin's courtroom antics wouldn't exactly pass the bar in reality. Some of it might be justified given the revelations at the end.
** In the initial case with the child molester he presents some surprise evidence. This should have been presented during the pretrial discovery and would have resulted in sanctions against the defense and possibly a mistrial.
** Kevin Lomax is established as a Super Lawyer because he's "never lost a case". We're told that in his early career he worked in the local district attorney's office and had a string of 64 straight convictions, and he "didn't plead out often". This would actually indicate that he's a terrible prosecutor. First, prosecutors get to choose their cases, so he could have a string of "sure thing" prosecutions. Second, prosecuting these cases to trial would clog up the court's docket when he should be making plea bargains with the defendants. Odds are, the bulk of his victories would have been mundane cases where the defendant was guilty as hell and took a deal. It's worth noting that some real-life prosecutors trump themselves up by this claim, which usually comes from dropping or taking pleas on any case with a chance of failure. In Milton's rage-against-God speech near the end he even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] how impossible it is for a lawyer to have never lost a case and points out how supernatural influences were a factor.
** Kevin would not be disbarred for his actions at the end of the movie; in fact, he would be required to withdraw in that case as his client was using his services to further a criminal act.



* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Reeves starts off his performance affecting a passable Southern accent, appropriate for Lomax's Florida background. It vanishes rather quickly.

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* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Reeves starts off his performance affecting a passable Southern accent, appropriate for Kevin Lomax's Florida background. It vanishes rather quickly.
20th Mar '16 6:46:43 PM ShiroAkuma
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw:
** Kevin's courtroom antics wouldn't exactly pass the bar in reality. Some of it might be justified given the revelations at the end.
** In the initial case with the child molester he presents some surprise evidence. This should have been presented during the pretrial discovery and would have resulted in sanctions against the defense and possibly a mistrial.
** Kevin Lomax is established as a Super Lawyer because he's "never lost a case". We're told that in his early career he worked in the local district attorney's office and had a string of 64 straight convictions, and he "didn't plead out often". This would actually indicate that he's a terrible prosecutor. First, prosecutors get to choose their cases, so he could have a string of "sure thing" prosecutions. Second, prosecuting these cases to trial would clog up the court's docket when he should be making plea bargains with the defendants. Odds are, the bulk of his victories would have been mundane cases where the defendant was guilty as hell and took a deal. It's worth noting that some real-life prosecutors trump themselves up by this claim, which usually comes from dropping or taking pleas on any case with a chance of failure. In Milton's rage-against-God speech near the end he even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] how impossible it is for a lawyer to have never lost a case and points out how supernatural influences were a factor.
** Kevin would not be disbarred for his actions at the end of the movie; in fact, he would be required to withdraw in that case as his client was using his services to further a criminal act.
2nd Mar '16 9:56:00 PM bt8257
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''The Devil's Advocate'' is a 1997 {{Thriller}} / ReligiousHorror film starring KeanuReeves, AlPacino and Creator/CharlizeTheron, and based on a novel by Andrew Neiderman.

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''The Devil's Advocate'' is a 1997 {{Thriller}} / ReligiousHorror film starring KeanuReeves, AlPacino Creator/KeanuReeves, Creator/AlPacino and Creator/CharlizeTheron, and based on a novel by Andrew Neiderman.



Notable for AlPacino "'''''[[ChewingTheScenery CREATING AN ORGY INVOLVING ALL OF NEW YORK CITY!]]'''''" And that's an understatement.

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Notable for AlPacino Creator/AlPacino "'''''[[ChewingTheScenery CREATING AN ORGY INVOLVING ALL OF NEW YORK CITY!]]'''''" And that's an understatement.
2nd Mar '16 9:48:17 PM bt8257
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%%* AffablyEvil: Well, that's how the Devil tends to operate anyway.



%%* BigApplesauce: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great..."
%%* BigBad: [[spoiler:Milton aka Satan, obviously]].

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%%* BigApplesauce: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon * ArtisticLicenseLaw: Kevin's courtroom antics wouldn't exactly pass the Great..."
%%* BigBad: [[spoiler:Milton aka Satan, obviously]].
bar in reality. Some of it might be justified given the revelations at the end.
** In the initial case with the child molester he presents some surprise evidence. This should have been presented during the pretrial discovery and would have resulted in sanctions against the defense and possibly a mistrial.
** Kevin Lomax is established as a Super Lawyer because he's "never lost a case". We're told that in his early career he worked in the local district attorney's office and had a string of 64 straight convictions, and he "didn't plead out often". This would actually indicate that he's a terrible prosecutor. First, prosecutors get to choose their cases, so he could have a string of "sure thing" prosecutions. Second, prosecuting these cases to trial would clog up the court's docket when he should be making plea bargains with the defendants. Odds are, the bulk of his victories would have been mundane cases where the defendant was guilty as hell and took a deal. It's worth noting that some real-life prosecutors trump themselves up by this claim, which usually comes from dropping or taking pleas on any case with a chance of failure. In Milton's rage-against-God speech near the end he even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] how impossible it is for a lawyer to have never lost a case and points out how supernatural influences were a factor.
** Kevin would not be disbarred for his actions at the end of the movie; in fact, he would be required to withdraw in that case as his client was using his services to further a criminal act.



%%* CourtroomAntics: See HollywoodLaw below.
%%* CrossMeltingAura



%%* DevilInDisguise: John Milton.



%%* DrivenToSuicide: Both [[spoiler: Kevin's wife.]]



%%* EvilRedhead: Christabella



%%** Some of the demons working for him are not likable ''at all''.



%%**[[spoiler: Kevin at the end]].
%%* HereWeGoAgain: "Vanity - ''definitely'' my favorite sin!"



* HollywoodLaw:

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* HollywoodLaw: ArtisticLicenseLaw:



%%** "Are we negotiating?" "Always."
%%* {{Jerkass}}: Eddie Barzoon.



* LouCypher: John Milton refers to the author of ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', the original SympathyForTheDevil poem.

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* LouCypher: LouisCypher: John Milton refers to the author of ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', the original SympathyForTheDevil poem.



%%* OccultLawFirm: Run by Satan himself.



%%* {{Satan}}: Al Pacino, and he isn't subtle about it.



%%* SimpleCountryLawyer: Kevin is a very literal example.



%%* TheVamp: Christabella



%%* VoiceChangeling: Milton
%%* WickedCultured: John Milton, naturally.
13th Feb '16 8:45:36 PM NotOnAnyFlatbread
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* AffablyEvil: Well, that's how the Devil tends to operate anyway.

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* %%* AffablyEvil: Well, that's how the Devil tends to operate anyway.



* ArtisticLicenseGeography: See {{Deep South}}, below.
* BigApplesauce: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great..."
* BigBad: [[spoiler:Milton aka Satan, obviously]].

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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: See {{Deep South}}, below.
*
Gainesville, Florida, is depicted as a small rural town rather than the actual, modern, skyscraper-encrusted college town that is the real Gainesville, Florida. "Gainesville"'s [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil War]]-era courthouse is, in reality, located in a tiny town thirty-two miles east of Gainesville.
%%*
BigApplesauce: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the Great..."
* %%* BigBad: [[spoiler:Milton aka Satan, obviously]].



* CourtroomAntics: See HollywoodLaw below.
* CrossMeltingAura

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* %%* CourtroomAntics: See HollywoodLaw below.
* %%* CrossMeltingAura



* DevilInDisguise: John Milton.

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* %%* DevilInDisguise: John Milton.



* DrivenToSuicide: Both [[spoiler: Kevin's wife.]]

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* %%* DrivenToSuicide: Both [[spoiler: Kevin's wife.]]



* EvilRedhead: Christabella

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* %%* EvilRedhead: Christabella



* HeelRealization: [[spoiler: Kevin at the end]].
** Kevin has a smaller one when [[spoiler: the FBI agent investigating Milton tells him a child was found in the car of the molester he defended]].
* HereWeGoAgain: "Vanity - ''definitely'' my favorite sin!"

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* HeelRealization: [[spoiler: Kevin at the end]].
**
Kevin has a smaller small one when [[spoiler: the FBI agent investigating Milton tells him a child was found in the car of the molester he defended]].
* %%**[[spoiler: Kevin at the end]].
%%*
HereWeGoAgain: "Vanity - ''definitely'' my favorite sin!"



* IronicEcho: "Are we negotiating?" "Always."
** "Free will. Ain't it a bitch?" [[spoiler: Kevin turns it against Milton by killing himself, causing Milton to have a hissy fit to end all hissy fits. "Free will, huh?"]]
* {{Jerkass}}: Eddie Barzoon.

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* IronicEcho: "Are we negotiating?" "Always."
**
"Free will. Ain't it a bitch?" [[spoiler: Kevin turns it against Milton by killing himself, causing Milton to have a hissy fit to end all hissy fits. "Free will, huh?"]]
* %%** "Are we negotiating?" "Always."
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{{Jerkass}}: Eddie Barzoon.



* OccultLawFirm: Run by Satan himself.

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* %%* OccultLawFirm: Run by Satan himself.



* {{Satan}}: Al Pacino, and he isn't subtle about it.

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* %%* {{Satan}}: Al Pacino, and he isn't subtle about it.



* SimpleCountryLawyer: Kevin is a very literal example.

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* %%* SimpleCountryLawyer: Kevin is a very literal example.



* TheVamp: Christabella
* VillainousBreakdown: [[spoiler:After Kevin kills himself, Milton [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGIaEP49wyc quite literally erupts]]]].
* VoiceChangeling: Milton
* WickedCultured: John Milton, naturally.

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* %%* TheVamp: Christabella
* VillainousBreakdown: [[spoiler:After Kevin kills himself, Milton Milton]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGIaEP49wyc quite literally erupts]]]].
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erupts]] into flames in anger.
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VoiceChangeling: Milton
* %%* WickedCultured: John Milton, naturally.
13th Feb '16 8:39:18 PM NotOnAnyFlatbread
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* AllJustADream: In the final scene, it is revealed that [[spoiler:Kevin saw the entire events of the movie in the moment before his career-defining case concerning a child molester.]] But the dream is interpreted by the Audience in different ways...
** Kevin chooses to [[spoiler:throw the case, trading his skill at being a lawyer for being a better man. But Milton is still lurking around and will attempt to tempt him yet again.]]
** Another interpretation is that [[spoiler: Eveyything did happen, but was undone. Milton reverted time back to the point before Kevin's career-defining case in order to keep trying alternate pathways until he can get to the point where Kevin submits. There's the implication that Milton [[GroundhogDayLoop will do this as many times as necessary]] until he wins.]]
** Lastly, it might be the whole thing was an illusion [[spoiler: meant to give Kevin an [[ItsAllAboutMe unjustifiable sense of self importance, as a hero willing to sacrifice himself and as the rebellious son of the devil.]] That pride would eventually make him a worse person in the long run. In this interpretation, Milton isn't actually trying different strategies, the ending was his aim all along.]]

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* AllJustADream: In the final scene, it is revealed that [[spoiler:Kevin saw the entire events of the movie in the moment before his career-defining case concerning a child molester.]] But the dream is interpreted by the Audience in different ways...
** Kevin chooses to [[spoiler:throw the case, trading his skill at being a lawyer for being a better man. But Milton is still lurking around and will attempt to tempt him yet again.]]
** Another interpretation is that [[spoiler: Eveyything did happen, but was undone. Milton reverted time back to the point before Kevin's career-defining case in order to keep trying alternate pathways until he can get to the point where Kevin submits. There's the implication that Milton [[GroundhogDayLoop will do this as many times as necessary]] until he wins.]]
** Lastly, it might be the whole thing was an illusion [[spoiler: meant to give Kevin an [[ItsAllAboutMe unjustifiable sense of self importance, as a hero willing to sacrifice himself and as the rebellious son of the devil.]] That pride would eventually make him a worse person in the long run. In this interpretation, Milton isn't actually trying different strategies, the ending was his aim all along.]]
13th Feb '16 8:27:40 PM NotOnAnyFlatbread
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* ArsonMurderAndJaywalking: Many of Milton's clients include: Voodoo practitioners, Corrupt Politicians, Sleazy Real Estate agents and Don King. [[note]]Don King killed two people in real life (one of them he stomped to death) and has been accused of being greedy and corrupt by several people, so this doesn't really fit the trope.[[/note]]
13th Feb '16 8:24:40 PM NotOnAnyFlatbread
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** FauxAffablyEvil: However, some of the demons working for him are not likable ''at all''. Milton himself, while being charming and polite, is also a sadist.



* AmbitionIsEvil: Played straight. Kevin's ferocious commitment to winning his court cases results in him defending some rather unsavory characters, and costs him his marriage.
** Not to mention Kevin revealed to Milton that he won all his Florida cases by secretly listening in on how the Jury was deliberating and making the proper adjustments.

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* AmbitionIsEvil: Played straight. Kevin's ferocious commitment to winning his court cases results in him defending some rather unsavory characters, and costs him his marriage.
** Not to mention Kevin revealed
marriage. He also reveals to Milton that he won all his Florida cases by secretly listening in on how the Jury was deliberating and making the proper adjustments.



* BishonenLine: At the climax, after erupting in a showy display of power and anger and briefly experiencing an ugly GlamourFailure, [[spoiler:Milton]] sprouts angelic wings and looks just like [[spoiler:Kevin]] but with long wing hair in his [[spoiler:true angelic form.]]



* TheCameo - Sen. Alphonse D'Amato, Ambassador Charles Gagano, and Don King all appear as themselves, and seem to be on very good terms with John Milton. Makes you wonder if anyone told them...
** If they ''were'' in fact aware of what kind of movie they were in, it makes for a rather extraordinary case of AdamWesting.

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* TheCameo - Sen. Alphonse D'Amato, Ambassador Charles Gagano, and Don King all appear as themselves, and seem to be on very good terms with John Milton. Makes you wonder if anyone told them...
** If they ''were'' in fact aware of
them what kind of movie they were in, it makes for in...If they were told, it's a rather extraordinary case of AdamWesting.



* DeepSouth: The movie opens in Gainesville, Florida. Or rather, a small rural town that looks nothing like the actual, modern, skyscraper-encrusted college-town that is the real Gainesville, Florida, but does look like a one-horse hick town in the middle of nowhere, which was probably the point.
** Apparently the producers wanted Lomax to be from a small rural town and picked Gainesville, Florida off of a map at random, not realizing that "small rural town" does ''not'' describe Gainesville, and hasn't for about a hundred years. The [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil War]]-era "courthouse" where the trial was taking place is actually in a one-stoplight town some thirty-two miles east of Gainesville, for example; the courthouses in Gainesville proper are all modern, multi-story buildings.

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* DeepSouth: The movie opens in Gainesville, Florida. Or rather, a small rural town that looks nothing like the actual, real modern, skyscraper-encrusted skyscraper-encrusted, college-town that is the real Gainesville, Florida, but does look like a one-horse hick town in the middle of nowhere, which was probably the point.
**
nowhere. Apparently the producers wanted Lomax to be from a small rural town hometown for Lomax and picked Gainesville, Florida Gainesville off of a map at random, not realizing that it hasn't been "small rural town" does ''not'' describe Gainesville, and hasn't for about a hundred years. The [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil War]]-era "courthouse" where the trial was taking place is actually in a one-stoplight town some thirty-two miles east of Gainesville, for example; the courthouses in Gainesville proper are all modern, multi-story buildings.



* FanDisservice: Creator/CharlizeTheron's nude scene also reveals that she's covered in scratches because [[spoiler:the Devil spent the afternoon raping her]].
** Also the scene in the changing room, where [[spoiler: the Devil's girls]] strip down to their underwear while casually making Mary-Anne as uncomfortable as possible and...[[spoiler: AUGH! BAD FACE! BAD FACE!]]

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* FanDisservice: FanDisservice:
**
Creator/CharlizeTheron's nude scene also reveals that she's covered in scratches because [[spoiler:the Devil spent the afternoon raping her]].
** Also In the scene in the changing room, where [[spoiler: the Devil's girls]] strip down to their underwear while casually making Mary-Anne as uncomfortable as possible and...[[spoiler: AUGH! BAD FACE! BAD FACE!]]



* FauxAffablyEvil: Milton, while being charming and polite, is also a sadist.
%%** Some of the demons working for him are not likable ''at all''.



** [[spoiler: BishonenLine: After that, Milton sprouts angelic wings and he looks just like Kevin but with long wing hair, his true angelic form.]]



* GoodLawyersGoodClients: This is actually [[LouCypher Milton's]] master plan - create the most skilled {{Amoral Attorney}}s imaginable, put them at the disposal of the most despicable people in the world, and have them use the loopholes in the law to protect the guilty until the world is filled with human monsters, making the world his and his alone.
--> '''Milton''': ''...Acquittal after acquittal after acquittal until the stench of it reaches so high and far into heaven, it '''chokes the whole fucking lot of them!'''''

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* GoodLawyersGoodClients: This is actually GoodLawyersGoodClients:
** An integral part of
[[LouCypher Milton's]] master plan - plan: create the most skilled {{Amoral Attorney}}s imaginable, put them at the disposal of the most despicable people in the world, and have them use the loopholes in the law to protect the guilty until the world is filled with human monsters, making the world his and his alone.
--> ---> '''Milton''': ''...Acquittal after acquittal after acquittal until the stench of it reaches so high and far into heaven, it '''chokes the whole fucking lot of them!'''''



* LargeHam: "''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX7N58df0j0 GOD!! IS AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD!!]]''" AlPacino would only take the part if he got to do a ten minute rant in the film's climax. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-yqNwTf7s Which ended up pushing TWENTY.]] Upon hearing that, the producers must have looked at each other, shrugged, and said; "Do whatever the hell you want, Al."
** He even [[MilkingTheGiantCow Milks The Giant Cow]] not once, but ''twice'' during it.

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* LargeHam: "''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX7N58df0j0 GOD!! IS AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD!!]]''" LANDLORD!!]]''", accompanied by MilkingTheGiantCow ''twice''. AlPacino would only take the part if he got to do a ten minute rant in the film's climax. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-yqNwTf7s Which ended up pushing TWENTY.]] Upon hearing that, the producers must have looked at each other, shrugged, and said; "Do whatever the hell you want, Al."
** He even [[MilkingTheGiantCow Milks The Giant Cow]] not once, but ''twice'' during it.* LouCypher: John Milton refers to the author of ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', the original SympathyForTheDevil poem.



* MeaningfulName / LouCypher: John Milton refers to the author of ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', the original SympathyForTheDevil poem.

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* MeaningfulName / LouCypher: MeaningfulName: John Milton refers to the author of ''Literature/ParadiseLost'', the original SympathyForTheDevil poem.
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