History Film / Surrogates

9th Oct '15 4:43:55 PM BlackJAC
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* BigApplesauce: Averted. The film was shot in Boston. the comic was set in Central Georgia Metropolis.


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* CallARabbitASmeerp SettingUpdate: the comic book was set in 2054 [[{{Atlanta}} "Central Georgia Metropolis"]], while the movie is set in 2017 UsefulNotes/{{Boston}}.
2nd Jul '15 8:28:18 PM nombretomado
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* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''Literature/SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''Film/MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Franchise/TheMatrix'', ''Film/MarsAttacks'', ''Film/BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''Film/{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', ''Anime/GhostInTheShell''.

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* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''Literature/SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''Film/MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Franchise/TheMatrix'', ''Film/MarsAttacks'', ''Film/BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''Film/{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', Galactica|2003}}'', ''Anime/GhostInTheShell''.
26th Apr '15 8:06:09 AM Morgenthaler
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* MayDecemberRomance: Tom and Maggie.

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* MayDecemberRomance: Tom Greer (Creator/BruceWillis) and Maggie.Maggie Greer (Creator/RosamundPike) is an interesting Subversion. Due to the surrogate technology, everyone appears as an ''idealized'' version of themselves, with Pike's character appearing late 20s or so, and Willis' as a well-kept 50-something. The relationship is portrayed as normal and not unusual. However, the reveal shows [[spoiler: Pike's character being OlderThanTheyLook is really in her late-40s/early 50s, an acceptable match with a late-50s Willis).]]
12th Oct '14 2:02:17 PM Morgenthaler
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* AntiVillain: [[spoiler: Lionel Cantor has some sympathetic qualities (putting aside the murdering pregnant women part); he regrets inventing the surrogates and wants to free humanity from his mistake. Until at the end in a case of [[WhatTheHellHero What the Hell Anti-Villain?]] he decides to [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope cause one billion completely avoidable deaths]].]]

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* AntiVillain: [[spoiler: Lionel Cantor has some sympathetic qualities (putting aside the murdering pregnant women part); he regrets inventing the surrogates and wants to free humanity from his mistake. Until at the end in a case of [[WhatTheHellHero What the Hell Anti-Villain?]] he decides to [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope cause one billion completely avoidable deaths]].]]



* TheAtoner: [[spoiler:Lionel Canter, who invented surrogates in the first place. He's also the one who dropped copious hints to Greer as if he ''wanted'' to be stopped. [[MagnificentBastard Or maybe he was just playing with him.]]]]
** It's possible he would have liked there to be another way to reach his goal, but he was so deep in depression and grief that he couldn't find it.

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* TheAtoner: [[spoiler:Lionel Canter, who invented surrogates in the first place. He's also the one who dropped copious hints to Greer as if he ''wanted'' to be stopped. [[MagnificentBastard Or maybe he was just playing with him.]]]]
**
]] It's possible he would have liked there to be another way to reach his goal, but he was so deep in depression and grief that he couldn't find it.



* BloodlessCarnage: The surrogates are machines.
** [[AlienBlood Except they do seem to leak an awful lot of green hydraulic fluid when smashed.]]

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* BloodlessCarnage: The surrogates are machines.
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machines. [[AlienBlood Except they do seem to leak an awful lot of green hydraulic fluid when smashed.]]



** Not to mention that Peters remarks in amazement that Tom looks like his surrogate. While we see other surrogates can have different appearances to their operators and Peters may not have been partnered with Tom before Surrogates became common place, you'd think the [=FBI=] of all people, would keep photographic records of Agent's ''actual appearance'' in their personnel files.



* FantasticRacism: In less than 10 years, everyone who doesn't use a Surrogate is looked down upon as being an uncultured luddite by the masses who call them "Meatbags" and "Dreads" and treat them as though they are sub-human. This despite the fact that they themselves have to routinely offline in order get off their own "meatbag" asses in order to eat or use the bathroom. It is possible that this is coming from a certain amount of projection since, judging by many of the main characters, many of those who use Surrogates tend to have plenty of self-loathing, neuroses and insecurities.
** On the other hand, the "Dreads" are not much better, being able to rapidly organise a lynch-mob once they realise that Greer is a Surrogate. Not to mention, Surrogate or not, there is really no excuse for unloading a double-barrelled shotgun into someone's face and still think you get to keep the moral high-ground afterwards.
** In fairness, that's not half as bad as the things the Surrogates do to ''each other''.

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* FantasticRacism: FantasticRacism:
**
In less than 10 years, everyone who doesn't use a Surrogate is looked down upon as being an uncultured luddite by the masses Surrogate masses, who call them "Meatbags" and "Dreads" and treat them as though they are sub-human. This despite the fact that they themselves have to routinely go offline in order to get off their own "meatbag" asses in order to eat or use the bathroom. It is possible that this is coming from a certain amount of projection since, judging by many of the main characters, many of those who use Surrogates tend to have plenty of self-loathing, neuroses and insecurities.
** On the other hand, the "Dreads" are not much better, being able to rapidly organise a lynch-mob once they realise that Greer is a Surrogate. Not to mention, Surrogate or not, there is really no excuse for unloading a double-barrelled shotgun into someone's face and still think you get to keep the moral high-ground afterwards.
** In fairness,
afterwards. Even so, that's not half as bad as the things the Surrogates do to ''each other''.



* GrandTheftMe: [[spoiler:Canter kills Greer's partner, and impersonates her via Surrogate]].
** [[spoiler:And then Greer himself hijacks the surrogate, from the dead man's chair no less, to stop the surrogate-shutdown from killing billions]].

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* GrandTheftMe: [[spoiler:Canter kills Greer's partner, and impersonates her via Surrogate]].
** [[spoiler:And
Surrogate. And then Greer himself hijacks the surrogate, from the dead man's chair no less, to stop the surrogate-shutdown from killing billions]].



* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''Film/MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''Film/MarsAttacks'', ''Film/BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''Film/{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', ''GhostInTheShell''.
** DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Lionel Canter, the inventor of Surrogates, is played by the same actor as Alfred Lanning, the creator of the Three Laws from ''Film/IRobot''.

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* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''SnowCrash'', ''Literature/SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''Film/MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''Franchise/TheMatrix'', ''Film/MarsAttacks'', ''Film/BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''Film/{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', ''GhostInTheShell''.
** DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Lionel Canter, the inventor of Surrogates, is played by the same actor as Alfred Lanning, the creator of the Three Laws from ''Film/IRobot''.
''Anime/GhostInTheShell''.



* MisappliedPhlebotinum: In this film exists the technology to control machines with your mind. Take a few minutes and think about what the world would really be like if we had that. For example, why control robot infantry that look human and are even wearing combat fatigues and helmets? Why not just control a tank?
** Unless the human mind is unable to cope with controlling a non-human interface? Imagine the difficulty a surrogate might have if it was given control over seven fingers, instead of the usual five?
*** Studies of video games and prosthetics both have shown that our minds are highly adaptive to mapping existing motor functions to new action outputs.

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* MisappliedPhlebotinum: In this film exists the technology exists to control machines with your mind. Take a few minutes and think about what the world would really be like if we had that. For example, why control robot infantry that look human and are even wearing combat fatigues and helmets? Why not just control a tank?
** Unless the human mind is unable to cope with controlling a non-human interface? Imagine the difficulty a surrogate might have if it was given control over seven fingers, instead of the usual five?
*** Studies of video games and prosthetics both have shown that our minds are highly adaptive to mapping existing motor functions to new action outputs.
tank?



** And the excuse that "most people are surrogates anyway, so few would be hurt" doesn't wash. Even if a crashing plane's occupants were all surrogates, there's nothing stopping said plane from hitting a populated area, with hundreds of thousands unable to escape because they were plugged into their own surrogates and unaware of the danger. A surgeon working through a surrogate would still, presumably, be working on a flesh-and-blood patient, who might die if their surgeon, and possibly the entire operating room staff, were all surrogates who suddenly went offline in mid-operation. Etc., etc.
25th Aug '14 6:12:20 PM PhilsLover
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* HeyItsThatGuy: James Cromwell as a technological genius whose invention has revolutionized the world? [[Film/IRobot Where have I seen this bit before?]]
** Though at least there, said technological genius wasn't [[EvilGenius insanely frickin' evil]]...
** [[Film/StarTrekFirstContact Hey, hasn't James revolutionized the world 3 times by now?]]
** Bobby Sounders? That's [[HomeAlone Buzz]]. No, really.
25th Aug '14 7:15:31 AM DoctorNemesis
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* FantasticRacism: In less than 10 years, everyone who doesn't use a Surrogate is looked down upon as being an uncultured luddite by the masses who call them "Meatbags" and "Dreads" and treat them as though they are sub-human. This despite the fact that they themselves have to routinely offline in order get off their own "meatbag" asses in order to eat or use the bathroom. It is possible that this is a certain amount if projection going on since, judging by many of the main characters, use of a Surrogate tends to reflect plenty of neuroses, insecurities and self-loathing on the part of the user.

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* FantasticRacism: In less than 10 years, everyone who doesn't use a Surrogate is looked down upon as being an uncultured luddite by the masses who call them "Meatbags" and "Dreads" and treat them as though they are sub-human. This despite the fact that they themselves have to routinely offline in order get off their own "meatbag" asses in order to eat or use the bathroom. It is possible that this is coming from a certain amount if of projection going on since, judging by many of the main characters, many of those who use of a Surrogate tends Surrogates tend to reflect have plenty of neuroses, insecurities self-loathing, neuroses and self-loathing on the part of the user.insecurities.
25th Aug '14 7:13:45 AM DoctorNemesis
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* FantasticRacism: In less than 10 years, everyone who doesn't use a Surrogate is looked down upon as being an uncultured luddite by the masses who call them "Meatbags" and "Dreads" and treat them as though they are sub-human. This despite the fact that they themselves have to routinely offline in order get off their own "meatbag" asses in order to eat or use the bathroom.

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* FantasticRacism: In less than 10 years, everyone who doesn't use a Surrogate is looked down upon as being an uncultured luddite by the masses who call them "Meatbags" and "Dreads" and treat them as though they are sub-human. This despite the fact that they themselves have to routinely offline in order get off their own "meatbag" asses in order to eat or use the bathroom. It is possible that this is a certain amount if projection going on since, judging by many of the main characters, use of a Surrogate tends to reflect plenty of neuroses, insecurities and self-loathing on the part of the user.
1st Mar '14 1:35:28 PM Pennyforth
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** And the excuse that "most people are surrogates anyway, so few would be hurt" doesn't wash. Even if a crashing plane's occupants were all surrogates, there's nothing stopping said plane from hitting a populated area, with hundreds of thousands unable to escape because they were plugged into their own surrogates and unaware of the danger. A surgeon working through a surrogate would still, presumably, be working on a flesh-and-blood patient, who might die if their surgeon, and possibly the entire operating room staff, were all surrogates who suddenly went offline in mid-operation. Etc., etc.
19th Feb '14 3:48:59 AM erforce
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''Surrogates'' is a film by Jonathan Mostow (''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'') based on the comic ''Comicbook/TheSurrogates''. BruceWillis stars.

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''Surrogates'' is a film by Jonathan Mostow (''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'') based on the comic ''Comicbook/TheSurrogates''. BruceWillis Creator/BruceWillis stars.



* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''MarsAttacks'', ''BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''Film/{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', ''GhostInTheShell''.

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* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''MinorityReport'' ''Film/MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''MarsAttacks'', ''BicentennialMan'', ''Film/MarsAttacks'', ''Film/BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''Film/{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', ''GhostInTheShell''.
19th Nov '13 7:31:09 PM JIKTV
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* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''MarsAttacks'', ''BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', ''GhostInTheShell''.

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* {{Homage}}: Oh boy. ''SnowCrash'', ''Film/BladeRunner'', ''MinorityReport'' (in fact anything Creator/PhilipKDick ever wrote), ''Film/TheTerminator'', ''Film/TheMatrix'', ''MarsAttacks'', ''BicentennialMan'', ''Literature/IRobot'', (and other works of Creator/IsaacAsimov), ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'', ''Series/DoctorWho'', ''{{Westworld}}'', ''Film/{{Westworld}}'', ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}'', ''GhostInTheShell''.
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