History Film / StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier

21st Mar '17 8:05:03 AM timotaka
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* ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: At least they didn't go with Shatner's original idea of going to the ''center of the universe''.

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At least they didn't go with Shatner's original idea of going to the ''center of the universe''.universe''.
** Near the beginning of the film Klaa shoots up Pioneer 10 probe. Provided it has been drifting through space normally, this is happening only about 1/100th of a light year from Earth.
13th Mar '17 2:47:29 AM TroperBeDoper
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4th Mar '17 4:57:28 AM StarTropes
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* OrderedApology: Just after "God" has been destroyed and Kirk beamed aboard the bird-of-prey, Korrd makes Klaa apologize to him for attacking the ''Enterprise''.
--> '''Korrd:''' Kirk, my junior officer has something he wants to say to you. ''(turns to Klaa and shouts the Klingon equivalent of "Get on with it!")''\\
'''Klaa:''' ''(sheepishly)'' I...apologize.\\
''(Kirk looks absolutely stunned.)''\\
'''Korrd:''' ''(adds the Klingon equivalent of "And...?")''\\
'''Klaa:''' ''(still sheepish)'' The attack upon your vessel was not authorized by my government.
1st Mar '17 8:49:43 AM StarTropes
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* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Creator/LeonardNimoy and Creator/DeForest Kelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.

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* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Creator/LeonardNimoy and Creator/DeForest Kelley Creator/DeForestKelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.


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* OneLinerNameOneLiner: After viewing Sybok's hostage demands, Kirk sees the look on Spock's face.
--> '''Kirk:''' What is it? You look like you've just seen a ghost.\\
'''Spock:''' Perhaps I have, Captain. Perhaps I have.
26th Feb '17 10:51:23 AM Nohbody
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* TheAlcoholic:
** Korrd is DrowningMySorrows, though he's snapped out of it by Spock.
** Critics including Creator/RogerEbert noted that ''everyone'' aboard the ''Enterprise'' was boozing it up: the PowerTrio were eating booze-laden beans, Scotty was boozing it up, and so on.

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* TheAlcoholic:
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TheAlcoholic: Korrd is DrowningMySorrows, though he's snapped out of it by Spock.
** Critics including Creator/RogerEbert noted that ''everyone'' aboard the ''Enterprise'' was boozing it up: the PowerTrio were eating booze-laden beans, Scotty was boozing it up, and so on.
Spock.
26th Feb '17 8:58:09 AM Anddrix
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->"''Why are seat belts being installed in movie theatres this summer?''"
-->-- Paramount teaser ad intended to refer to the movie's fast pace, [[IThoughtItMeant not to]] [[AnythingButThat being strapped in and forced to watch the flick]].



They've [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture stared at V'Ger]], [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan defeated Khan]], [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock found Spock]] and [[Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome saved the whales]]. But can the ''Enterprise'' crew survive their greatest challenge yet? Creator/WilliamShatner! ... [[DramaticPause In!]] ... [[DirectedByCastMember The director's seat!]]

With a brand-new ''Enterprise'', Kirk and crew set out to resolve a hostage situation only to discover that they've been suckered as part of a grander scheme. Who's behind it? Why Spock's [[LongLostRelative long-lost half-brother Sybok]], of course! Sybok commandeers the ''Enterprise'', winning over most of the crew by using his [[{{Telepathy}} telepathic]] {{epiphany therapy}} on them. Failing to realize that there is NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus, Sybok makes them set a course for the [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale center of the galaxy]], where he believes {{God}} is waiting. With the bulk of his crew now working against him, Kirk must [[DieHardOnAnX John McClane]] his way up the ''Enterprise'' armed with his wits, a pair of rocket boots... and ''Trek's'' very first fart joke.

Now it should be noted the [[{{Misblamed}} movie's failings aren't all Shatner's fault]]. We can also thank ExecutiveMeddling for all the forced "humor" and the [[TVStrikes 1988 WGA strike]] for short-circuiting the screenwriting, and the infamous SpecialEffectFailure was due to [=ILM=] being too busy [[Film/GhostbustersII with]] [[Film/TheAbyss a]] [[Film/BackToTheFuturePartII few]] [[Film/{{Willow}} other]] [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade projects]] to work on the film.

Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back in time and either stop or commit the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.

This movie isn't a total write-off, though: ''Star Trek V'' also features plenty of CharacterDevelopment scenes between Kirk, Spock, and [=McCoy=] (the {{book ends}} with the three camping are quite enjoyable), an absolutely ''brilliant'' backstory scene involving [=McCoy=] and his father, and has a collection of well imagined individual sequences such as ComingInHot with a shuttlecraft; general consensus is that while Shatner's storytelling abilities might be a bit on the weak side, he certainly had an eye for good setpieces.

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They've [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture stared at V'Ger]], [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan defeated Khan]], [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock found Spock]] and [[Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome saved the whales]]. But can the ''Enterprise'' crew survive their greatest challenge yet? Creator/WilliamShatner! ... [[DramaticPause In!]] ... [[DirectedByCastMember The director's seat!]]

With a brand-new ''Enterprise'', Kirk and crew set out to resolve a hostage situation only to discover that they've been suckered as part of a grander scheme. Who's behind it? Why scheme by Spock's [[LongLostRelative long-lost half-brother Sybok]], of course! Sybok]]. Sybok commandeers the ''Enterprise'', winning over most of the crew by using his [[{{Telepathy}} telepathic]] {{epiphany therapy}} {{Telepath|y}}ic EpiphanyTherapy on them. Failing to realize that there is NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus, After gaining control of the ''Enterprise'' Sybok makes them set a course for the [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale center of the galaxy]], where he believes {{God}} is waiting. With the bulk of his crew now working against him, Kirk must [[DieHardOnAnX John McClane]] work his way up the ''Enterprise'' to the bridge armed with his wits, wits and a pair of rocket boots... and ''Trek's'' very first fart joke.

Now it should be noted
boots. Ultimately he fails to retake the [[{{Misblamed}} movie's failings aren't all Shatner's fault]]. We can also thank ExecutiveMeddling for all the forced "humor" and the [[TVStrikes 1988 WGA strike]] for short-circuiting the screenwriting, and the infamous SpecialEffectFailure was due to [=ILM=] being too busy [[Film/GhostbustersII with]] [[Film/TheAbyss a]] [[Film/BackToTheFuturePartII few]] [[Film/{{Willow}} other]] [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade projects]] to work on the film.

Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back
ship in time and either stop or commit to be of good, so he continues on to discover what lies at the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one heart of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.

This movie isn't a total write-off, though: ''Star Trek V'' also features plenty of CharacterDevelopment scenes between Kirk, Spock, and [=McCoy=] (the {{book ends}} with the three camping are quite enjoyable), an absolutely ''brilliant'' backstory scene involving [=McCoy=] and his father, and has a collection of well imagined individual sequences such as ComingInHot with a shuttlecraft; general consensus is that while Shatner's storytelling abilities might be a bit on the weak side, he certainly had an eye for good setpieces.
galaxy.



26th Feb '17 8:39:10 AM CumbersomeTercel
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Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Gene Roddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back in time and either stop or commit the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.

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Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Gene Roddenberry Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back in time and either stop or commit the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.



** It's still technically part of the canon, but the events have never been directly referenced in another canonical ''Star Trek'' work again. Rumor has it the writers are specifically told not to as a matter of course. Creator/GeneRoddenberry [[WordOfGod said he considered]] some elements of the movie apocryphal, but he apparently never told anyone which ones. Ronald D. Moore, who was working on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' at the time, has said that while the writers of the show accepted the film as canon, they considered it [[OldShame such an embarrassment]] to the franchise as a whole that they agreed among themselves that they would never reference it on the show, to the extent where the ending of the episode "The Nth Degree" was heavily rewritten simply because they didn't want it to have have anything in common with this film.

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** It's still technically part of the canon, but the events have never been directly referenced in another canonical ''Star Trek'' work again. Rumor has it the writers are specifically told not to as a matter of course. Creator/GeneRoddenberry [[WordOfGod said he considered]] some elements of the movie apocryphal, but he apparently never told anyone which ones. Ronald D. Moore, who was working on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' at the time, has said that while the writers of the show accepted the film as canon, they considered it [[OldShame such an embarrassment]] to the franchise as a whole that they agreed among themselves that they would never reference it on the show, to the extent where the ending of the episode "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS4E19TheNthDegree}} The Nth Degree" Degree]]" was heavily rewritten simply because they didn't want it to have have anything in common with this film.



* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.

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* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Leonard Nimoy Creator/LeonardNimoy and DeForest Creator/DeForest Kelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.



* ShoutOut: One of the names of the planet where they find "God", Sha Kaa Ree, comes from SeanConnery's name. It's also a DevelopmentGag (see WhatCouldHaveBeen).

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* ShoutOut: One of the names of the planet where they find "God", Sha Kaa Ree, comes from SeanConnery's Creator/SeanConnery's name. It's also a DevelopmentGag (see WhatCouldHaveBeen).
24th Feb '17 4:25:26 PM Gideoncrawle
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->"''The Enterprise is back. This time, have they [[HilariousInHindsight gone too far]]?''"

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->"''The Enterprise is back. This time, have they [[HilariousInHindsight gone too far]]?''"far?''"
24th Feb '17 8:14:46 AM Anddrix
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* CrapsackWorld: The Planet of Galactic Peace. As is pointed out by many reviewers (including WebSite/SFDebris), Nimbus III neatly scuttles Roddenbery's tenets regarding the future: the planet set aside for the mutual cooperation of three races has fallen into anarchy, the technology of the future has turned to [[UsedFuture rusted crap]], and poverty is still rampant. Ironically, one could argue that it ''succeeded'' in establishing galactic peace... as the various ambassadors are either too drunk to bother fighting each other or have grown united in their shared hatred for their ''own'' governments for [[ReassignedToAntarctica assigning them there!]]

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* CrapsackWorld: The Planet of Galactic Peace. As is pointed out by many reviewers (including WebSite/SFDebris), Nimbus III neatly scuttles Roddenbery's tenets regarding the future: the planet set aside for the mutual cooperation of three races has fallen into anarchy, the technology of the future has turned to [[UsedFuture rusted crap]], and poverty is still rampant. Ironically, one could argue that it ''succeeded'' in establishing galactic peace... as the various ambassadors are either too drunk to bother fighting each other or have grown united in their shared hatred for their ''own'' governments for [[ReassignedToAntarctica assigning them there!]]
23rd Jan '17 4:10:26 AM Arivne
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Paramount forced Shatner to up the film's comedy quotient due to the previous film's success in that area. This results in severe {{Mood Whiplash}} between a grand, epic story about the search for God and slapstick farce.
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