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12th Jun '17 8:52:56 AM xcountryguy
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With a brand-new ''Enterprise'', Kirk and crew set out to resolve a hostage situation only to discover that they've been suckered as part of a grander scheme by Spock's [[LongLostRelative long-lost half-brother Sybok]]. Sybok commandeers the ''Enterprise'', winning over most of the crew by using his {{Telepath|y}}ic EpiphanyTherapy on them. After gaining control of the ''Enterprise'' Sybok makes them set a course for the [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale center of the galaxy]], where he believes {{God}} is waiting. With the bulk of his crew now working against him, Kirk must work his way up the ''Enterprise'' to the bridge armed with his wits and a pair of rocket boots. Ultimately he fails to retake the ship in time to be of good, so he continues on to discover what lies at the heart of the galaxy.

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With a brand-new ''Enterprise'', Kirk and crew set out to resolve a hostage situation only to discover that they've been suckered as part of a grander scheme by Spock's [[LongLostRelative long-lost half-brother Sybok]]. Sybok commandeers the ''Enterprise'', winning over most of the crew by using his {{Telepath|y}}ic EpiphanyTherapy on them. After gaining control of the ''Enterprise'' Sybok makes them set a course for the [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale center of the galaxy]], where he believes {{God}} is waiting. With the bulk of his crew now working against him, Kirk must work his way up the ''Enterprise'' to the bridge armed with his wits and a pair of rocket boots. Ultimately he fails to retake the ship in time to be of good, much use so he continues on to discover what lies at the heart of the galaxy.



--> '''Kirk:''' Stand by to execute Emergency Landing Plan...B.\\

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--> '''Kirk:''' Stand by to execute Emergency Landing Plan... B.\\



'''Kirk:''' "B," as in..."barricade."\\

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'''Kirk:''' "B," as in... "barricade."\\



* BigEgoHiddenDepths: Sybok. [[spoiler: Cruelly invoked by "God", who takes the form of Sybok and mocks, "What's the matter? Don't you ''like'' this face? I have so many, but this one suits ''you'' best."]]

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* BigEgoHiddenDepths: Sybok. [[spoiler: Cruelly [[spoiler:Cruelly invoked by "God", who takes the form of Sybok and mocks, "What's the matter? Don't you ''like'' this face? I have so many, but this one suits ''you'' best."]]



** ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' had opened with [[TheWorfEffect a Klingon fleet getting destroyed V'Ger]], which is revealed to be the (fictitious) 20th century space probe Voyager 6. In this film, we're introduced to the Klingon captain Klaa destroying the 20th century space probe Pioneer 10.
* CannotTellALie: What Spock claims as proof that Kirk was not aboard the ''Enterprise''. [[ILied He was lying]] about not being able to lie, though he was telling the truth about where Kirk was at.

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** ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' had opened with [[TheWorfEffect a Klingon fleet getting destroyed by V'Ger]], which is revealed to be the (fictitious) 20th century space probe Voyager 6. In this film, we're introduced to the Klingon captain Klaa destroying the 20th century space probe Pioneer 10.
* CannotTellALie: What Spock claims as proof that Kirk was not aboard the ''Enterprise''. [[ILied He was lying]] about not being able to lie, though he was telling the truth about where Kirk was at.Kirk's location.



* CardCarryingVillain: All of Klaa's actions are because...he's bored.

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* CardCarryingVillain: All of Klaa's actions are because... he's bored.



* DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu: Or, in this case, shoot a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien posing as deity with a torpedo and then a disruptor cannon. Yes, Spock did.

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* DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu: Or, in this case, shoot a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien posing as a deity with a torpedo and then a disruptor cannon. Yes, Spock did.



* FalseInnocenceTrick: The ''Enterprise'' passes through the barrier around the heart of the galaxy and finds the legendary planet Sha Ka Ree, believed to be the home of God. When the protagonists find God he's apparently imprisoned there, and tries to trick them into helping him escape. A subversion, because Kirk figures out there's something funny going on and manages to get "God" to reveal his true evil nature before he gets away.

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* FalseInnocenceTrick: The ''Enterprise'' passes through the barrier around the heart of the galaxy and finds the legendary planet Sha Ka Ree, believed to be the home of God. When the The protagonists do find an entity claiming to be God he's who is apparently imprisoned there, there and it tries to trick them the crew into helping him it escape. A subversion, It's a subversion because Kirk figures out there's something funny going on and manages to get "God" to reveal his its true evil nature before he it gets away.



* FixFic: Every adaptation of this film has made significant changes to the storyline in order to fix some of the more glaring plot holes. The novelization, for instance, has Sybok using his knowledge of engineering and spatial anomalies to make the trip to the galactic core possible, while the comic book written by Creator/PeterDavid adds in a subplot that implies Kirk has never really gotten over the death of his elder brother George (one of the film's most glaring continuity errors is the implication that Kirk never had a brother), and also has Sybok's attempt at EpiphanyTherapy on Spock fail because he'd already resolved the conflict between his Human and Vulcan halves.

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* FixFic: Every adaptation of this film has made significant changes to the storyline in order to fix some of the more glaring plot holes. The novelization, for instance, has Sybok using his knowledge of engineering and spatial anomalies to make the trip to the galactic core possible, while the possible. The comic book written by Creator/PeterDavid adds in a subplot that implies Kirk has never really gotten over the death of his elder brother George (one of the film's most glaring continuity errors is the implication that Kirk never had a brother), and also has Sybok's attempt at EpiphanyTherapy on Spock fail because he'd already resolved the conflict between his Human and Vulcan halves.



* FridgeLogic: [[invoked]] Invoked in-universe when Kirk asks, "What does ''God'' need with a starship?"

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* FridgeLogic: [[invoked]] Invoked in-universe when Kirk asks, "What does ''God'' need with a starship?"



* GodIsEvil: Well, it's not really ''our'' God as we know him but it's certainly evil.

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* GodIsEvil: Well, it's not really ''our'' God as we know him it but it's certainly evil.



* GlowingEyesOfDoom: "God" has these when he's angry.

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* GlowingEyesOfDoom: "God" has these when he's it's angry.



* KickTheDog: Klaa shoots down Earth's first deep space probe. Although, considering what happened with ''[[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture Voyager 6]]'', ''[[Recap/StarTrekS2E3TheChangeling Nomad]]'', ''[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS7E19FriendshipOne Friendship One]]'', etc...it could be argued that he was performing a public service to the galaxy!

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* KickTheDog: Klaa shoots down Earth's first deep space probe. Although, considering what happened with ''[[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture Voyager 6]]'', ''[[Recap/StarTrekS2E3TheChangeling Nomad]]'', ''[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS7E19FriendshipOne Friendship One]]'', etc... it could be argued that he was performing a public service to the galaxy!



* KnowWhenToFoldEm: Surprisingly enough, after failing repeatedly to regain control of the ship, and having already arrived where Sybok was taking them anyway, Kirk basically gives up, and willingly assists him in the last stage of his plan, taking him down to the surface of "Eden".

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* KnowWhenToFoldEm: Surprisingly enough, after failing repeatedly to regain control of the ship, and having already arrived where Sybok was taking them anyway, Kirk basically gives up, up and willingly assists him in the last stage of his plan, taking him down to the surface of "Eden".



* MercyKill: Bones relives one of his most painful moments, [[spoiler: where his father is dying and suffering from an incurable disease. He begs Bones to stop treatment so that he can finally die. Bones does so, and mere months later a cure for his father's disease was discovered.]]

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* MercyKill: Bones relives one of his most painful moments, [[spoiler: where [[spoiler:where his father is dying and suffering from an incurable disease. He begs Bones to stop treatment so that he can finally die. Bones does so, and mere months later a cure for his father's disease was discovered.]]



'''Klaa:''' ''(sheepishly)'' I...apologize.\\

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'''Klaa:''' ''(sheepishly)'' I... apologize.\\



'''Korrd:''' I am a...foolish old man.\\

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'''Korrd:''' I am a... foolish old man.\\



* ReassignedToAntarctica: The three ambassadors on Nimbus III (the reasons are noted in the novelization).

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* ReassignedToAntarctica: The three ambassadors on Nimbus III (the III. The reasons for are noted in the novelization).novelization.



* RenegadeSplinterFaction: Captain Klaa and his crew are just flying around looking for a fight, under no orders of any sort. He decides to go Nimbus III not to save the hostages, but to ''fight the rescue ship the Federation is sending''. When he learns it's Kirk being sent, it only makes him more eager to attack. [[spoiler: It's only when General Koord steps in that Klaa apologizes for his unauthorized aggression.]]

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* RenegadeSplinterFaction: Captain Klaa and his crew are just flying around looking for a fight, fight under no orders of any sort. He decides to go Nimbus III not to save the hostages, but to ''fight the rescue ship the Federation is sending''. When he learns it's Kirk being sent, it only makes him more eager to attack. [[spoiler: It's [[spoiler:It's only when General Koord steps in that Klaa apologizes for his unauthorized aggression.]]



* SealedEvilInACan: [[spoiler:"God"]]. He claimed to have been imprisoned [[spoiler:on the planet in the center of the galaxy]] and wanted to [[spoiler:"join" with the ''Enterprise'']] so he could escape.

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* SealedEvilInACan: [[spoiler:"God"]]. He It claimed to have been imprisoned [[spoiler:on the planet in the center of the galaxy]] and wanted to [[spoiler:"join" with the ''Enterprise'']] so he it could escape.



* StealthPun: During the infamous CatGirl bar scene, a Klingon, a Romulan and a Human walk into a bar....

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* StealthPun: During the infamous CatGirl bar scene, a Klingon, a Romulan and a Human walk into a bar....bar...



* VillainousBreakdown: After having been blasted with a photon torpedo, "God" come out of it as this [[{{Narm}} rather goofy]] distorted face exclaiming '''''"[[YouExclamation YOOOOOUUUUU!]]"''''' while floating after Kirk. This is because the ending had to be radically changed, and they couldn't afford to get the actor back to record any new material.

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* VillainousBreakdown: After having been blasted with a photon torpedo, "God" come comes out of it as this [[{{Narm}} rather goofy]] distorted face exclaiming '''''"[[YouExclamation YOOOOOUUUUU!]]"''''' while floating after Kirk. This is because the ending had to be radically changed, and they couldn't afford to get the actor back to record any new material.



* WhatTheHellHero: [=McCoy=], of all people defends Spock when Kirk bawls him out for not shooting Sybok. This, of course, comes after he jokingly offers to "hold him" when Kirk threatens to knock him on his ass.
* WorthyOpponent: Klaa feels this way about Kirk, since of course Kirk's battles with the Klingon Empire are legendary. He's not even vindictive about it, more excited at facing off against such a foe. When Kirk outsmarts him by getting the shuttle into the ''Enterprise'' and then it going to warp right under Klaa's nose, after giving the order to track the ship, a wide-eyed Klaa murmurs "He's ''good''."

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* WhatTheHellHero: [=McCoy=], of all people people, defends Spock when Kirk bawls chews him out for not shooting Sybok. This, of course, comes after he jokingly offers to "hold him" when Kirk threatens to knock him on his ass.
* WorthyOpponent: Klaa feels this way about Kirk, since of course Kirk's battles with the Klingon Empire are legendary. He's not even vindictive about it, it. He's more excited at facing off against such a foe. When Kirk outsmarts him by getting the shuttle into the ''Enterprise'' and then it going to warp right under Klaa's nose, after giving the order to track the ship, a wide-eyed Klaa murmurs "He's ''good''."
9th Jun '17 9:31:02 PM nombretomado
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* HollywoodToneDeaf: Of the three schlubs failing to sing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" in sync, Kelley's singing got him into acting, Nimoy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy_discography recorded a few albums]], and... [[WilliamShatner oh]]. Well, okay, ''one'' of them has an excuse. At least Spock is in tune.

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* HollywoodToneDeaf: Of the three schlubs failing to sing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" in sync, Kelley's singing got him into acting, Nimoy [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy_discography recorded a few albums]], and... [[WilliamShatner [[Creator/WilliamShatner oh]]. Well, okay, ''one'' of them has an excuse. At least Spock is in tune.
21st Mar '17 8:05:03 AM timotaka
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* ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: At least they didn't go with Shatner's original idea of going to the ''center of the universe''.

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* ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale:
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At least they didn't go with Shatner's original idea of going to the ''center of the universe''.universe''.
** Near the beginning of the film Klaa shoots up Pioneer 10 probe. Provided it has been drifting through space normally, this is happening only about 1/100th of a light year from Earth.
13th Mar '17 2:47:29 AM TroperBeDoper
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[[caption-width-right:213:Now for the low, low price of your starship!]]

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4th Mar '17 4:57:28 AM StarTropes
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* OrderedApology: Just after "God" has been destroyed and Kirk beamed aboard the bird-of-prey, Korrd makes Klaa apologize to him for attacking the ''Enterprise''.
--> '''Korrd:''' Kirk, my junior officer has something he wants to say to you. ''(turns to Klaa and shouts the Klingon equivalent of "Get on with it!")''\\
'''Klaa:''' ''(sheepishly)'' I...apologize.\\
''(Kirk looks absolutely stunned.)''\\
'''Korrd:''' ''(adds the Klingon equivalent of "And...?")''\\
'''Klaa:''' ''(still sheepish)'' The attack upon your vessel was not authorized by my government.
1st Mar '17 8:49:43 AM StarTropes
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* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Creator/LeonardNimoy and Creator/DeForest Kelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.

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* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Creator/LeonardNimoy and Creator/DeForest Kelley Creator/DeForestKelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.


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* OneLinerNameOneLiner: After viewing Sybok's hostage demands, Kirk sees the look on Spock's face.
--> '''Kirk:''' What is it? You look like you've just seen a ghost.\\
'''Spock:''' Perhaps I have, Captain. Perhaps I have.
26th Feb '17 10:51:23 AM Nohbody
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* TheAlcoholic:
** Korrd is DrowningMySorrows, though he's snapped out of it by Spock.
** Critics including Creator/RogerEbert noted that ''everyone'' aboard the ''Enterprise'' was boozing it up: the PowerTrio were eating booze-laden beans, Scotty was boozing it up, and so on.

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* TheAlcoholic:
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TheAlcoholic: Korrd is DrowningMySorrows, though he's snapped out of it by Spock.
** Critics including Creator/RogerEbert noted that ''everyone'' aboard the ''Enterprise'' was boozing it up: the PowerTrio were eating booze-laden beans, Scotty was boozing it up, and so on.
Spock.
26th Feb '17 8:58:09 AM Anddrix
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->"''Why are seat belts being installed in movie theatres this summer?''"
-->-- Paramount teaser ad intended to refer to the movie's fast pace, [[IThoughtItMeant not to]] [[AnythingButThat being strapped in and forced to watch the flick]].



They've [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture stared at V'Ger]], [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan defeated Khan]], [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock found Spock]] and [[Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome saved the whales]]. But can the ''Enterprise'' crew survive their greatest challenge yet? Creator/WilliamShatner! ... [[DramaticPause In!]] ... [[DirectedByCastMember The director's seat!]]

With a brand-new ''Enterprise'', Kirk and crew set out to resolve a hostage situation only to discover that they've been suckered as part of a grander scheme. Who's behind it? Why Spock's [[LongLostRelative long-lost half-brother Sybok]], of course! Sybok commandeers the ''Enterprise'', winning over most of the crew by using his [[{{Telepathy}} telepathic]] {{epiphany therapy}} on them. Failing to realize that there is NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus, Sybok makes them set a course for the [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale center of the galaxy]], where he believes {{God}} is waiting. With the bulk of his crew now working against him, Kirk must [[DieHardOnAnX John McClane]] his way up the ''Enterprise'' armed with his wits, a pair of rocket boots... and ''Trek's'' very first fart joke.

Now it should be noted the [[{{Misblamed}} movie's failings aren't all Shatner's fault]]. We can also thank ExecutiveMeddling for all the forced "humor" and the [[TVStrikes 1988 WGA strike]] for short-circuiting the screenwriting, and the infamous SpecialEffectFailure was due to [=ILM=] being too busy [[Film/GhostbustersII with]] [[Film/TheAbyss a]] [[Film/BackToTheFuturePartII few]] [[Film/{{Willow}} other]] [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade projects]] to work on the film.

Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back in time and either stop or commit the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.

This movie isn't a total write-off, though: ''Star Trek V'' also features plenty of CharacterDevelopment scenes between Kirk, Spock, and [=McCoy=] (the {{book ends}} with the three camping are quite enjoyable), an absolutely ''brilliant'' backstory scene involving [=McCoy=] and his father, and has a collection of well imagined individual sequences such as ComingInHot with a shuttlecraft; general consensus is that while Shatner's storytelling abilities might be a bit on the weak side, he certainly had an eye for good setpieces.

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They've [[Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture stared at V'Ger]], [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan defeated Khan]], [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock found Spock]] and [[Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome saved the whales]]. But can the ''Enterprise'' crew survive their greatest challenge yet? Creator/WilliamShatner! ... [[DramaticPause In!]] ... [[DirectedByCastMember The director's seat!]]

With a brand-new ''Enterprise'', Kirk and crew set out to resolve a hostage situation only to discover that they've been suckered as part of a grander scheme. Who's behind it? Why scheme by Spock's [[LongLostRelative long-lost half-brother Sybok]], of course! Sybok]]. Sybok commandeers the ''Enterprise'', winning over most of the crew by using his [[{{Telepathy}} telepathic]] {{epiphany therapy}} {{Telepath|y}}ic EpiphanyTherapy on them. Failing to realize that there is NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus, After gaining control of the ''Enterprise'' Sybok makes them set a course for the [[ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale center of the galaxy]], where he believes {{God}} is waiting. With the bulk of his crew now working against him, Kirk must [[DieHardOnAnX John McClane]] work his way up the ''Enterprise'' to the bridge armed with his wits, wits and a pair of rocket boots... and ''Trek's'' very first fart joke.

Now it should be noted
boots. Ultimately he fails to retake the [[{{Misblamed}} movie's failings aren't all Shatner's fault]]. We can also thank ExecutiveMeddling for all the forced "humor" and the [[TVStrikes 1988 WGA strike]] for short-circuiting the screenwriting, and the infamous SpecialEffectFailure was due to [=ILM=] being too busy [[Film/GhostbustersII with]] [[Film/TheAbyss a]] [[Film/BackToTheFuturePartII few]] [[Film/{{Willow}} other]] [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade projects]] to work on the film.

Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back
ship in time and either stop or commit to be of good, so he continues on to discover what lies at the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one heart of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.

This movie isn't a total write-off, though: ''Star Trek V'' also features plenty of CharacterDevelopment scenes between Kirk, Spock, and [=McCoy=] (the {{book ends}} with the three camping are quite enjoyable), an absolutely ''brilliant'' backstory scene involving [=McCoy=] and his father, and has a collection of well imagined individual sequences such as ComingInHot with a shuttlecraft; general consensus is that while Shatner's storytelling abilities might be a bit on the weak side, he certainly had an eye for good setpieces.
galaxy.



26th Feb '17 8:39:10 AM CumbersomeTercel
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Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Gene Roddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back in time and either stop or commit the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.

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Still, the basic concept ''was'' Shatner's idea (Although making Sybok Spock's brother was a Harve Bennett decision), and he knew about the studio's humor requirements before he even began work. Gene Roddenberry Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself had expressed strong reservations about the pitch; he had good reason to be concerned, as he had previously written [[http://www.well.com/~sjroby/godthing.html his own story]] about the crew meeting God and hated the result. (Though it should also be noted that Roddenberry's own counteroffered idea was, as it had been since the second movie, for the ''Enterprise'' crew to go back in time and either stop or commit the JFK assassination.) But Shatner persisted with the idea of [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Kirk coming up against God and winning]]. ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and religious topics have always been uneasy bedfellows; ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' is the only series to pull it off, and Trekkies [[BrokenBase are divided]] on even that. Nevertheless, [[FanonDiscontinuity fans prefer to ignore this entry entirely]] and simply go from the fourth movie directly to the [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]]. ''Frontier'' is also the only one of the original films to have never been given a DirectorsCut; Shatner has always wanted to do it, but Paramount refuses to let him.



** It's still technically part of the canon, but the events have never been directly referenced in another canonical ''Star Trek'' work again. Rumor has it the writers are specifically told not to as a matter of course. Creator/GeneRoddenberry [[WordOfGod said he considered]] some elements of the movie apocryphal, but he apparently never told anyone which ones. Ronald D. Moore, who was working on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' at the time, has said that while the writers of the show accepted the film as canon, they considered it [[OldShame such an embarrassment]] to the franchise as a whole that they agreed among themselves that they would never reference it on the show, to the extent where the ending of the episode "The Nth Degree" was heavily rewritten simply because they didn't want it to have have anything in common with this film.

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** It's still technically part of the canon, but the events have never been directly referenced in another canonical ''Star Trek'' work again. Rumor has it the writers are specifically told not to as a matter of course. Creator/GeneRoddenberry [[WordOfGod said he considered]] some elements of the movie apocryphal, but he apparently never told anyone which ones. Ronald D. Moore, who was working on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' at the time, has said that while the writers of the show accepted the film as canon, they considered it [[OldShame such an embarrassment]] to the franchise as a whole that they agreed among themselves that they would never reference it on the show, to the extent where the ending of the episode "The "[[{{Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS4E19TheNthDegree}} The Nth Degree" Degree]]" was heavily rewritten simply because they didn't want it to have have anything in common with this film.



* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.

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* DemotedToExtra: Shatner has hand waved criticisms from his co-stars in the past, dismissing it as actors' egos run amok (“[[SpearCarrier there was nothing to nick]]”), but scripting like this doesn't help his case much. Indeed, one section of the commentary has Shatner passive-aggressively blame his co-stars for the movie’s dodgy appearance (''"A disproportionate amount of money is spent on talent as against production..."'') Not only are the characters in the film betraying Captain Kirk, the actors in the film are sabotaging Bill Shatner. It’s worth noting that his original outline for the film had both [=McCoy=] '''and''' Spock turning against Kirk -- which would have left Kirk the only hero of the film. Both Leonard Nimoy Creator/LeonardNimoy and DeForest Creator/DeForest Kelley flat out refused to participate in a storyline where Spock and Bones respectively would betray Kirk.



* ShoutOut: One of the names of the planet where they find "God", Sha Kaa Ree, comes from SeanConnery's name. It's also a DevelopmentGag (see WhatCouldHaveBeen).

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* ShoutOut: One of the names of the planet where they find "God", Sha Kaa Ree, comes from SeanConnery's Creator/SeanConnery's name. It's also a DevelopmentGag (see WhatCouldHaveBeen).
24th Feb '17 4:25:26 PM Gideoncrawle
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->"''The Enterprise is back. This time, have they [[HilariousInHindsight gone too far]]?''"

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->"''The Enterprise is back. This time, have they [[HilariousInHindsight gone too far]]?''"far?''"
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