History Film / StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan

3rd Feb '18 7:07:41 AM StarTropes
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* FixFic: A classic ''Franchise/StarTrek'' example, fixing an apparent continuity glitch--in the film, Khan and Chekhov recognize each other upon meeting. However, "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Space Seed]]", the episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' in which Khan appears, is a first-season episode, and Creator/WalterKoenig did not join the cast of the show until the second season. The semi-official {{retcon}} (not explained in any of the shows or movies, but widely propagated by producers and actors in convention appearances) is that Chekov was on the ''Enterprise'' at that time, he just wasn't part of the bridge crew yet and thus didn't appear on screen. After all, Khan was trying to recruit the crew to follow him, with the implied narrative that ''every single crew-member'' (other than Lt. McGivers, of course) refused to do so, out of a ship's complement of 430, while only about 30 of the crew are shown onscreen, so Chekov could easily have been among those not shown, since there was never any canonical evidence showing when Chekov officially came onboard the ''Enterprise''. Likewise, Khan had full access to the names and other information of the crew, who as prisoners would likewise give their names, ranks and serial-numbers etc.
A very funny {{fanfic}} distributed in print ('zines, photocopies, etc.) not long after the movie came out expands on that, envisioning Khan and Chekov bumping into each other in the bathroom. Sillier versions have Khan vowing revenge on Chekhov for making him wait for the cubicle and/or using all the toilet paper (which is actually Walter Koenig's own joke).

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* FixFic: A classic ''Franchise/StarTrek'' example, fixing an apparent continuity glitch--in the film, Khan and Chekhov recognize each other upon meeting. However, "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Space Seed]]", the episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' in which Khan appears, is a first-season episode, and Creator/WalterKoenig did not join the cast of the show until the second season. The semi-official {{retcon}} (not explained in any of the shows or movies, but widely propagated by producers and actors in convention appearances) is that Chekov was on the ''Enterprise'' at that time, he just wasn't part of the bridge crew yet and thus didn't appear on screen. After all, Khan was trying to recruit the crew to follow him, with the implied narrative that ''every single crew-member'' (other than Lt. McGivers, of course) refused to do so, out of a ship's complement of 430, while only about 30 of the crew are shown onscreen, so Chekov could easily have been among those not shown, since there was never any canonical evidence showing when Chekov officially came onboard the ''Enterprise''. Likewise, Khan had full access to the names and other information of the crew, who as prisoners would likewise give their names, ranks and serial-numbers etc.
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A very funny {{fanfic}} distributed in print ('zines, photocopies, etc.) not long after the movie came out expands on that, envisioning Khan and Chekov bumping into each other in the bathroom. Sillier versions have Khan vowing revenge on Chekhov for making him wait for the cubicle and/or using all the toilet paper (which is actually Walter Koenig's own joke).
17th Jan '18 4:58:11 PM ClintEastwood
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* PlotHole: Khan immediately recognizes Chekov, even though the ensign wasn't yet a part of the crew when Khan tried to take over the ship in the original series. A common fan theory is that Chekov was part of the crew, but not on the bridge. Creator/WalterKoenig joked that he believes Chekov accidentally made Khan wait an uncomfortable amount of time to use the bathroom.
4th Jan '18 10:21:34 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** In the scene where they avert it it's still played straight in a different way; the Enterprise has to rise back onto the same plane as the Reliant to fire instead of shooting up from below.
4th Jan '18 10:16:37 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** Checkov actually points this one out and refuses to believe it's the same planet.
2nd Jan '18 7:37:26 AM mlsmithca
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* AgelessBirthdayEpisode: At Creator/WilliamShatner's insistence, Kirk's exact age was left unstated onscreen. (In the series, he's the ripe old age of ''52,'' in a time when people live past ''137...'' meaning that Kirk has Progeria, perhaps a relapse from [[Recap/StarTrekS2E12TheDeadlyYears The Deadly Years]]... or, more likely, the writers simply DidNotDoTheResearch.

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* AgelessBirthdayEpisode: At Creator/WilliamShatner's insistence, Kirk's exact age was left unstated onscreen. (In the series, he's the ripe old age of ''52,'' in a time when people live past ''137...'' meaning that Kirk has Progeria, perhaps a relapse from [[Recap/StarTrekS2E12TheDeadlyYears The Deadly Years]]... or, more likely, the writers simply DidNotDoTheResearch.Years]].)
31st Dec '17 9:11:58 PM bubzilla
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* NotNowKiddo: Spock of all people does this to Saavik. When Saavik cautiously reminds Kirk of a regulation about keeping shields up until communication is established Spock brushes her off and tells her that the Admiral is well aware of the regulations. Once its clear that this was an almost fatal error, Kirk gives Saavik a standing order to keep quoting regulations.
27th Dec '17 5:11:35 PM StrikingViking
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* ForgottenPhlebotinum: This film introduces the Genesis device. The planet it creates disintegrates within a couple weeks, thus rendering it useless for its original purpose ({{terraform}}ing). But surely the heroes of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' might have found it useful as a handy-dandy instant [[SuperweaponSurprise Borg Cube Killer]]. This is [[AllThereInTheManual addressed in the novelizations]] of this movie and ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock.'' Vance Madison and Del March were actually the leading scientists on the project (and they can briefly be seen in the scene where they argue about what they should do; Vance is the quiet black man, and Del is the restless one with slightly shorter sleeves. Their roles were obviously pared down in editing to streamline the story and the project became "developed by Carol Marcus"), and Khan kills both of them when he raids Regula 1. By the end of ''Star Trek III'' the only person with any working knowledge is Carol, and she's vowed to keep it to herself, not that she could replicate the knowledge of Madison and March.

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* ForgottenPhlebotinum: This film introduces the Genesis device. The planet it creates disintegrates within a couple weeks, thus rendering it useless for its original purpose ({{terraform}}ing). But surely the heroes of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', and ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' might have found it useful as a handy-dandy instant [[SuperweaponSurprise Borg Cube Killer]]. This is [[AllThereInTheManual addressed in the novelizations]] of this movie and ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock.'' Vance Madison and Del March were actually the leading scientists on the project (and they can briefly be seen in the scene where they argue about what they should do; Vance is the quiet black man, and Del is the restless one with slightly shorter sleeves. Their roles were obviously pared down in editing to streamline the story and the project became "developed by Carol Marcus"), and Khan kills both of them when he raids Regula 1. By the end of ''Star Trek III'' the only person with any working knowledge is Carol, and she's vowed to keep it to herself, not that she could replicate the knowledge of Madison and March. (And of course, no ''records'' were kept by these or any other scientists, or backups of said records... even in the 23rd Century.).
**Spock also displays a trick whereby he can transfer his life-force, or "k'atra," to another person to allow him to transcend death, even while he's still alive. Furthermore, the Vulcans later prove able to re-insert this "k'atra" into a clone of Spock, which conveniently ages to the same degree as Spock's body when he died. Thus, while this Phlebotinum would normally allow immortality, Spock proves the first ''and last'' case of it ever being used.
27th Dec '17 5:02:15 PM StrikingViking
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* AppliedPhlebotinum: The "Genesis Device" is an inexplicable gadget that defies all known science of the era-- as well as logic, achieving a ''controlled reaction'' that transforms a planet-surface, with ''magnitudes'' more energy than any ''weapon.'' In fact, the first discussion Kirk and Spock have after watching Carol Marcus' video on the device is about its potential destructive capabilities if it were to be used ''as'' a weapon. Naturally, it falls right into Khan's hands-- conveniently just at the same time as Kirk.

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* AppliedPhlebotinum: The "Genesis Device" is an inexplicable gadget that defies all known science of the era-- as well as logic, achieving a ''controlled reaction'' that transforms a planet-surface, with ''magnitudes'' more energy than any ''weapon.'' In fact, the first discussion Kirk and Spock have after watching Carol Marcus' video on the device is about its potential destructive capabilities if it were to be used ''as'' a weapon.weapon (despite the obvious fact that, logically, weapons are more powerful than complex tools, due to the lack of ''need'' for control, with the purpose being destructive rather than constructive; just like fusion-weapons exist, but not ''controlled'' fusion-reactors). Naturally, it falls right into Khan's hands-- conveniently just at the same time as Kirk.
27th Dec '17 4:56:48 PM StrikingViking
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* AgelessBirthdayEpisode: At Creator/WilliamShatner's insistence, Kirk's exact age was left unstated onscreen. (In the series, he's the ripe old age of ''52,'' in a time when people live past ''137...'' meaning that Kirk has Progeria, perhaps a relapse from [[Recap/StarTrekS2E12TheDeadlyYears The Deadly Years]].)

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* AgelessBirthdayEpisode: At Creator/WilliamShatner's insistence, Kirk's exact age was left unstated onscreen. (In the series, he's the ripe old age of ''52,'' in a time when people live past ''137...'' meaning that Kirk has Progeria, perhaps a relapse from [[Recap/StarTrekS2E12TheDeadlyYears The Deadly Years]].)Years]]... or, more likely, the writers simply DidNotDoTheResearch.
27th Dec '17 4:54:02 PM StrikingViking
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** Khan was described by Chekov as being simply a “criminal,” despite originally being a famous figure from history who ruled ¼ of the Earth, before disappearing in 1997; and he was not a "criminal" in terms of being wanted for crimes, but rather was ‘’admired’’ by the Enterprise crew since there had been no massacres under his rule. Rather, Khan explained that it was his desire “to unite humanity,” and to “’’improve man’’” rather than depending on simply advancing technology while humanity became stagnant.

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** Khan was is described by Chekov as being simply a “criminal,” despite originally being a famous figure from history who ruled ¼ of the Earth, before disappearing in 1997; and he was not a "criminal" in terms of being wanted for (or found guilty of) crimes, but rather he was ‘’admired’’ by the Enterprise crew since there had been no massacres under his rule. Rather, Khan explained that it was his desire “to unite humanity,” and to “’’improve man’’” rather than depending on simply advancing technology while humanity became stagnant.stagnant, saying that he fled because "we offered the world ''order''--" at point which Kirk noted that Khan spoke for a super-race of humans.



** The plot claims Khan was “exiled” on the planet Ceti Alpha V; but in ‘’Space Seed,’’ Kirk formally ‘’drops all charges’’ against Khan, since the Federation did not punish people in that way, and Khan had harmed no one; and Khan’s choice had to be made, free from threat of criminal sentence. Therefore Khan’s choice was either to rule his own world, or join 23rd Century society where nobody would follow him; i.e. to “rule in Hell or serve in Heaven.” Khan was thus not “exiled” to the planet, but rather it was ‘’given’’ to him and his crew, to rule as he chose.
** Khan blames Kirk for “the death of his wife,” forgetting that Kirk ‘’gave’’ him his wife as well, by dropping charges against Lt. McGivers as well, and allowing to live on the planet with him.

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** The plot claims Khan was “exiled” on the planet Ceti Alpha V; but in ‘’Space Seed,’’ Kirk formally ‘’drops ''drops all charges’’ charges'' against Khan, since the Federation did not punish people in that way, way; and Khan had harmed no one; and Khan’s choice had to be made, made free from of threat of criminal sentence.sentence, in order to be truly a choice. Therefore Khan’s choice was either to rule his own world, or join 23rd Century society where nobody would follow him; i.e. to “rule in Hell or serve in Heaven.” Thus Khan was thus not “exiled” to the planet, but rather it was ‘’given’’ to him and his crew, to rule as he they chose.
** Khan blames Kirk for “the death of his wife,” forgetting that Kirk ‘’gave’’ him his wife as well, by dropping charges against Lt. McGivers as well, and allowing her to live on the planet with him.him (and presumably ''marrying'' them to each other as well).
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