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* BrokenAesop: The action in this film is spurred by Jeff's mother becoming concerned about Jeff's recent bad attitude. Examples of his "bad" behavior include mouthing off to his mother and other boundary-pushing behaviors found in pretty much all children of any time period. In fact, Jeff seems to be a pretty good kid; he even feels guilty about talking back to his mother and delivers an unforced apology. It's later, after he's supposedly a better person, that he unrepentantly screams at her for (in his eyes, at least) being a hypocrite. Somehow showing us a kid that's pretty normal, or even better-behaved than average (if anything, talking back to your parents at least a little bit is considered ''healthy'', part of a perfectly normal stage of development as a teen begins to set boundaries and define themselves as separate from their parents), turning into a judgmental creep doesn't exactly sell the "rock music makes your kids rebellious" message.
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* LostAesop: In the Rev. Jim Owen's first scene, he comes off as the sole voice of reason in the film. He says a lot of things that are quite reasonable, and even exposes some of Jeff's mother's blind spots. He points out that Jeff was likely listening to rock music long before his parents got him the stereo, and that he only rebelled when they started telling him he couldn't listen to it. He even points out that Mrs. Simms hasn't taken the time to figure out why Jeff likes it, or even what the lyrics really say, so it seems like her discipline is really just over opinions or taste. He then compares Jeff's music to her watching soap operas, and suggests that every argument she could make against his music, he could make against her soaps. The film should have ended here. But almost as soon as that conversation is had, it is promptly forgotten by ''everyone'', Rev. Owen included. The message preached by every "good" character, including him, from then on, is that Rock and Roll is strictly a tool of Satan and behaving like a self-righteous jackass is a good thing. Or at least it seems to be because that is literally everyone's takeaway, including other Christians.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: Jeff, ironically. While he's busy worrying that he's been a hypocrite for listening to rock (and calling others that), he becomes an even bigger one concerning how he treats his friends. He continues to say that he's not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat, but never stops ranting and raving about how evil the music is and how blind his friends are for listening to it. His final speech is nothing if not a long attempt to shove his views down other teens' throats. Then there's his complaint that Marty is playing rock music at a party held at ''Marty's'' house. Why does Jeff feel like he can dictate what's played there, especially since he earlier had shut down Melissa's attempts to play a rock station in his car on the grounds that "it's my car!".
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** Music/{{Santana}}'s "Evil Ways", a song where the first lyric is "You've got to ''change'' your evil ways", and "Soul Sacrifice", an instrumental song.

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** Music/{{Santana}}'s "Evil Ways", a song where the Ways" (the very first lyric line of the song is "You've got to ''change'' your evil ways", ways") and "Soul Sacrifice", an instrumental song.Sacrifice" (an ''{{instrumental}}'').
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*VinylShatters: At the end of his sermon, Jeff smashes a rock record against a pew.
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* BlackAndWhiteInsanity: Jeff sees ''all'' rock and seemingly all popular music as evil and immoral by the end, even fairly harmless stuff like The Eagles and even Captain and Tennille, pretty much the last pop act anyone could accuse of being sinful or dangerous. He also directs his ire towards the soap operas his mother enjoys as well for similar reasons.
* BrokenAesop: The action in this film is spurred by Jeff's mother becoming concerned about Jeff's recent bad attitude. Examples of his "bad" behavior include mouthing off to his mother and other boundary-pushing behaviors found in pretty much all children of any time period. In fact, Jeff seems to be a pretty good kid; he even feels guilty about talking back to his mother and delivers an unforced apology. It's later, after he's supposedly a better person, that he unrepentantly screams at her for being a hypocrite. Somehow showing us a kid that's pretty normal, or even better-behaved than average (if anything, talking back to your parents at least a little bit is considered ''healthy'', part of a perfectly normal stage of development as a teen begins to set boundaries and define themselves as separate from their parents), turning into a judgmental creep doesn't exactly sell the "rock music makes your kids rebellious" message.

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* BlackAndWhiteInsanity: Jeff sees ''all'' rock and seemingly all popular music as evil and immoral by the end, even fairly harmless stuff like The Eagles Music/TheEagles and even Captain and Tennille, pretty much the last pop act anyone could accuse of being sinful or dangerous. He also directs his ire towards the soap operas his mother enjoys as well for similar reasons.
* BrokenAesop: The action in this film is spurred by Jeff's mother becoming concerned about Jeff's recent bad attitude. Examples of his "bad" behavior include mouthing off to his mother and other boundary-pushing behaviors found in pretty much all children of any time period. In fact, Jeff seems to be a pretty good kid; he even feels guilty about talking back to his mother and delivers an unforced apology. It's later, after he's supposedly a better person, that he unrepentantly screams at her for (in his eyes, at least) being a hypocrite. Somehow showing us a kid that's pretty normal, or even better-behaved than average (if anything, talking back to your parents at least a little bit is considered ''healthy'', part of a perfectly normal stage of development as a teen begins to set boundaries and define themselves as separate from their parents), turning into a judgmental creep doesn't exactly sell the "rock music makes your kids rebellious" message.



* HeteronormativeCrusader: Jeff brings up some rock musicians being gay as a mark against the genre at the end. Especially jarring as it's the only mention of that in the whole film.

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* HeteronormativeCrusader: Jeff brings up some rock musicians being gay as a mark against the genre at the end. Especially This is especially jarring as it's the only mention of that in the whole film.



** Marty sees his father this way for pressuring him into attending church on Sundays, but being a Jerkass and using profanity the rest of the week.

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** Marty sees his father this way for pressuring him into attending church on Sundays, but being a Jerkass {{jerkass}} and using profanity the rest of the week.
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* [[StrawmanPolitical Strawman Religious]]: Marty (and Melissa to a degree) is "wrong" by virtue of not really being into all that church stuff. Marty even openly states that he only goes to church because his dad makes him, so we're supposed to discount everything he says as the ramblings of a "lost" person. The truth is, Marty is the only character in the film to remain true to his principles throughout (not counting a look near the end that may indicate a change of heart) and the only one who offers reasonable retorts to Jeff's uninformed ramblings. Literally the only thing Jeff can say about Marty's sensible replies that not everyone who listens to rock listens to the darker Satanic stuff is "I think you're wrong". Of course we later learn Jeff thinks ''all'' music, even "mild" pop, is dark and Satanic.

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* [[StrawmanPolitical Strawman Religious]]: Marty (and Melissa to a degree) is "wrong" by virtue of not really being into all that church stuff. Marty even openly states that he only goes to church because his dad makes him, so we're supposed to discount everything he says as the ramblings of a "lost" person. The truth is, Marty is the only character in the film to remain true to his principles throughout (not counting a look near the end that may indicate a change of heart) and the only one who offers reasonable retorts to Jeff's uninformed ramblings. Literally the only thing Jeff can say about Marty's sensible replies that not everyone who listens to rock listens to the darker Satanic stuff is "I think you're wrong". Of course we later learn Jeff thinks ''all'' non-Christian music, even "mild" pop, is dark and Satanic.
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* SexIsEvil: By the end of the film, Jeff has adopted this mentality. He tells his mother that soap operas are nothing but "sex with commercials" and attacks songs for having sexually suggestive titles and lyrics.

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* SexIsEvil: By the end of the film, Jeff has adopted this mentality. He tells his mother that soap operas are nothing but "sex with commercials" and attacks songs for having sexually the slightest of suggestive titles and/or lyrics, such as "Tonight's the Night" and lyrics."You Need a Woman Tonight".
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* [[StrawmanPolitical Strawman Religious]]: Marty (and Melissa to a degree) is "wrong" by virtue of not really being into all that church stuff. Marty even openly states that he only goes to church because his dad makes him, so we're supposed to discount everything he says as the ramblings of a "lost" person. The truth is, Marty is the only character in the film to remain true to his principles throughout (not counting a look near the end that may indicate a change of heart) and the only one who offers reasonable retorts to Jeff's uninformed ramblings. Literally the only thing Jeff can say about Marty's sensible replies that not everyone who listens to rock listens to the darker Satanic stuff is "I think you're wrong". Of course we later learn Jeff thinks ''all'' music, even "mild" pop, is dark and Satanic.
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* ArtisticLicenseMusic: At the end of the movie, Jeff cites a list of "Satanic" rock songs to prove his point that rock is evil. However, it's quite clear the creators of the film only looked at popular classic rock song titles and didn't actually listen to them or look at their lyrics.
** Music/{{Santana}}'s "Evil Ways", a song where the first lyric is "You've got to ''change'' your evil ways", and "Soul Sacrifice", an instrumental song.
** Music/JeffersonStarship's "Dance With The Dragon", which is about the Year of the Dragon from the Chinese zodiac, not Satan as a metaphorical dragon.
** Music/{{The Rolling Stones|Band}}' "Sympathy For The Devil", which is [[UnreliableNarrator written from Satan's perspective]], and has him claiming responsibility for various atrocities throughout history, and "Dancing with Mr. D", which is about death and not the devil.
** Music/{{ACDC}}'s "Hell Ain't a Bad Place to Be", a song with a metaphorical title about a self-absorbed man tormented by the woman he hooks up with.
** Earlier in the film, Jeff showed an album to Marty and claimed that most of the song titles or lyrics have to do with sex. The album in question? ''(Pronounced 'LÄ•h-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd)'' by Music/LynyrdSkynyrd, in which none of the songs are about sex.
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Pastor Jim Owen. While you may disagree with his views, he at least seems to have given them real thought, is fairly moderate about it and doesn't judge others for their choices, even seeming to understand why kids like said music. Contrast him to Jeff who becomes insufferably self-righteous and refuses to let anyone else enjoy music he deems immoral, even when at their home. Brad Jones even praises him as a decent character in his otherwise extremely negative review of the film. And in the re-review of the film, has him call out Jeff over his sermon.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Pastor Jim Owen. While you may disagree with his views, he at least seems to have given them real thought, is fairly moderate about it and doesn't judge others for their choices, even seeming to understand why kids like said music. Contrast him to Jeff who becomes insufferably self-righteous and refuses to let anyone else enjoy music he deems immoral, even when at their home. Brad Jones even praises him as a decent character in his otherwise extremely negative review of the film. And in the re-review of the film, has him call out Jeff over his sermon.
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Cleaned up some more complaining by rewriting this entry. Jeff becoming a jerk is irrelevant to the film's tone making the film fail to get its point across.


* CluelessAesop: The movie is supposed to have "Rock music will lead you down a life of sin if you don't reject it and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior" as an aesop. It might've done an adequate job... if the main character didn't instantly turn into a supreme {{Jerkass}} and a holier-than-thou religious zealot when he finally did, turning on his friends and even his own family (who were trying to steer him away from rock music in the first place) when he starts viewing his mother's {{soap opera}}s as evil, too, and ending the special raving about the evils of rock music (and UsefulNotes/{{homosexual}}ity while he's at it) in front of his church group. In addition, Jeff prior was a perfectly normal and well-behaved kid whose only crimes were being a little bit mouthy to his mother, making any concern about how he is going to end up seem completely irrational.

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* CluelessAesop: The movie intended message is supposed for Christians to have "Rock music will lead you down a life of sin if you don't reject it and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior" as an aesop. It might've done an adequate job... if the main character didn't instantly turn into a supreme {{Jerkass}} and a holier-than-thou religious zealot when he finally did, turning on his friends and even his own family (who were trying to steer him stay away from rock music lifestyles and media that would lead them on sinful paths. It fails to get its point across because it is written with a strong fundamentalist bias that even includes homophobia in Jeff's speech at the first place) when he starts viewing his mother's {{soap opera}}s end, in addition to focusing primarily on a subject it knows almost nothing about, as evil, too, and ending the special raving about the evils of rock music (and UsefulNotes/{{homosexual}}ity while he's at it) in front of his church group. In addition, indicated by Jeff prior was a perfectly normal and well-behaved kid whose only crimes were being a little bit mouthy to his mother, making any concern assumptions about how he is going to end up seem completely irrational.songs having Satanic messages based purely on their titles.

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* HeelFaceTurn: What we're expected to see Jeff's arc as. It doesn't quite work, to put it mildly.
* HeelFaithTurn: Jeff's arc is intended as this. It ends up [[TookALevelInJerkass as something else entirely.]]

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* HeelFaceTurn: What we're expected to see Jeff's arc as. It doesn't quite work, to put it mildly.
* HeelFaithTurn: Jeff's arc is intended as this. It ends up [[TookALevelInJerkass this, as something else entirely.]]he is supposed to be steering away from rock's sinful influence.



* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Jeff's mother uses a pastor to get her son off rock music, which ends up making him a loony fundamentalist that berates her for watching soap operas.

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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Jeff's mother uses a pastor to get her son off rock music, which ends up making him a loony fundamentalist that coming back to bite her when Jeff later berates her for watching soap operas.



* TheNewRockAndRoll: The entire film is basically the tract "The music Kids These Days are listening to is evil!" in movie form. Well the music their parents listened to at that age anyway, thanks to TwoDecadesBehind.



* PoliticallyIncorrectHero: Jeff's final speech against rock music brings up that some popular musicians are gay as a mark against it because the film makers apparently felt [[SarcasmMode he wasn't charming enough already.]]

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* PoliticallyIncorrectHero: Jeff's final speech against rock music brings up that some popular musicians are gay as a mark against it because the film makers apparently felt [[SarcasmMode he wasn't charming enough already.]]it.
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* StrawCharacter: Marty (and Melissa to a degree) is "wrong" by virtue of not really being into all that church stuff. Marty even openly states that he only goes to church because his dad makes him, so we're supposed to discount everything he says as the ramblings of a "lost" person.
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* InformedFlaw: The plot is kickstarted by Jeff's mother feeling his bad behavior is due to his music and the film expects us to agree. But Jeff really doesn't seem bad at all. He's a bit mouthy but that's normal for any teen and he even sincerely apologizes at one point for getting angry at his mom. He's overall less a sinner headed down a bad road than a normal kid who just happens to like rock music. If anything, he becomes much ''worse'' after changing his views on the subject.

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* InformedFlaw: The plot is kickstarted by Jeff's mother feeling his bad behavior is due to his music and the film expects us to agree. But Jeff really doesn't seem bad at all. He's a bit mouthy and rebellious but that's normal and even healthy for any teen and he even sincerely apologizes at one point for getting angry at his mom.mom and without any prodding from her or his dad. He's overall less a sinner headed down a bad road than a normal kid who just happens to like rock music. If anything, he becomes much ''worse'' after changing his views on the subject.



* TookALevelInJerkass: Jeff starts the film as a fairly normal, decent kid who just happens to like rock and metal music. Upon his conversion, he becomes abrasive, controlling, incredibly ignorant, insufferably self-righteous and even a bit bigoted to his friends, family, Pastor Owen, and even complete strangers. And yet the film bizarrely expects us to see his arc as a positive one.

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* TookALevelInJerkass: Jeff starts the film as a fairly normal, decent kid who just happens to like rock and metal music. Upon his conversion, he becomes abrasive, controlling, incredibly and proudly ignorant, insufferably self-righteous and even a bit bigoted to his friends, family, Pastor Owen, and even complete strangers. And yet the film bizarrely expects us to see his arc as a positive one.
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* SatanicPanic: Throughout the film, Jeff gradually learns the supposed horrors of rock-and-roll and begins to perceive ''all'' of it as Satanic.
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* PropagandaPiece: Being it's a fundamentalist-driven screed against the supposed "horrors" of rock music.
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* HitlerAteSugar: Some rock stars lived "immoral" lives, and there were even a few who sang about it. Therefore ''all'' rock music, or even all "secular" music, is automatically an endorsement of Satanism and the Occult, drugs, drunkenness and promiscuity. Even Captain and Tennille.

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* HitlerAteSugar: Some rock stars lived "immoral" lives, and there were even a few who sang about it. Therefore ''all'' rock music, or even all "secular" music, is automatically an endorsement of Satanism and the Occult, drugs, drunkenness and promiscuity. Even Captain and Tennille.Music/CaptainAndTennille.
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* BlackAndWhiteInsanity: Jeff sees ''all'' rock and seemingly all popular music as evil and immoral by the end, even fairly harmless stuff like The Eagles and even Captain and Tennille, pretty much the last pop act anyone could accuse of being sinful or dangerous. He also directs his ire towards the soap operas his mother enjoys as well for similar reasons.
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* CluelessAesop: The movie is supposed to have "Rock music will lead you down a life of sin if you don't reject it and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior" as an aesop. It might've done an adequate job... if the main character didn't instantly turn into a supreme {{Jerkass}} and a holier-than-thou religious zealot when he finally did, turning on his friends and even his own family (who were trying to steer him away from rock music in the first place) when he starts viewing his mother's {{soap opera}}s as evil, too, and ending the special raving about the evils of rock music (and UsefulNotes/{{homosexual}}ity while he's at it) in front of his church group.

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* CluelessAesop: The movie is supposed to have "Rock music will lead you down a life of sin if you don't reject it and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior" as an aesop. It might've done an adequate job... if the main character didn't instantly turn into a supreme {{Jerkass}} and a holier-than-thou religious zealot when he finally did, turning on his friends and even his own family (who were trying to steer him away from rock music in the first place) when he starts viewing his mother's {{soap opera}}s as evil, too, and ending the special raving about the evils of rock music (and UsefulNotes/{{homosexual}}ity while he's at it) in front of his church group. In addition, Jeff prior was a perfectly normal and well-behaved kid whose only crimes were being a little bit mouthy to his mother, making any concern about how he is going to end up seem completely irrational.
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* InformedFlaw: The plot is kickstarted by Jeff's mother feeling his bad behavior is due to his music and the film expects us to agree. But Jeff really doesn't seem bad at all. He's a bit mouthy but that's normal for any teen and he even sincerely apologizes at one point for getting angry at his mom. He's overall less a sinner headed down a bad road than a normal kid who just happens to like rock music. If anything, he becomes MUCH worse after changing his views on the subject.

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* InformedFlaw: The plot is kickstarted by Jeff's mother feeling his bad behavior is due to his music and the film expects us to agree. But Jeff really doesn't seem bad at all. He's a bit mouthy but that's normal for any teen and he even sincerely apologizes at one point for getting angry at his mom. He's overall less a sinner headed down a bad road than a normal kid who just happens to like rock music. If anything, he becomes MUCH worse much ''worse'' after changing his views on the subject.
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* ProofByExamples: Jeff lists quite a few examples of the "evils" contained within the lyrics of rock music. Of course, [[CriticalResearchFailure he's wrong about a good deal of them]] but even if he was right, the fact that he can name several examples does not at all prove the entire genre(s) of "rock music" is evil and degenerate.
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* TookALevelInJerkass: Jeff starts the film as a fairly normal, decent kid who just happens to like rock and metal music. Upon his conversion, he becomes abrasive, controlling, incredibly ignorant, insufferably self-righteous and even a bit bigoted. And yet the film bizarrely expects us to see his arc as a positive one.

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* TookALevelInJerkass: Jeff starts the film as a fairly normal, decent kid who just happens to like rock and metal music. Upon his conversion, he becomes abrasive, controlling, incredibly ignorant, insufferably self-righteous and even a bit bigoted.bigoted to his friends, family, Pastor Owen, and even complete strangers. And yet the film bizarrely expects us to see his arc as a positive one.

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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Jeff's mother wanted her son to stop listening to rock music. He did and becomes an ungodly pain in the ass who treats her much worse than he did prior to her intervention in his life.



* TheFundamentalist: Hoo boy, Jeff. After changing his views, he becomes an insufferable, self-righteous boor who his former friends can understandably no longer tolerate.



* InformedFlaw: The plot is kickstarted by Jeff's mother feeling his bad behavior is due to his music and the film expects us to agree. But Jeff really doesn't seem bad at all. He's a bit mouthy but that's normal for any teen and he even sincerely apologizes at one point for getting angry at his mom. He's overall less a sinner headed down a bad road than a normal, decent kid who just happens to like rock music. If anything, he becomes MUCH worse after changing his views the subject.

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* InformedFlaw: The plot is kickstarted by Jeff's mother feeling his bad behavior is due to his music and the film expects us to agree. But Jeff really doesn't seem bad at all. He's a bit mouthy but that's normal for any teen and he even sincerely apologizes at one point for getting angry at his mom. He's overall less a sinner headed down a bad road than a normal, decent normal kid who just happens to like rock music. If anything, he becomes MUCH worse after changing his views on the subject.



* PoliticallyIncorrectHero: Jeff's final speech against rock music brings up that some popular musicians are gay as a mark against it.

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* PoliticallyIncorrectHero: Jeff's final speech against rock music brings up that some popular musicians are gay as a mark against it.it because the film makers apparently felt [[SarcasmMode he wasn't charming enough already.]]



* RottenRockAndRoll: According to the film, ''all'' "rock music" endorses evil.

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* RottenRockAndRoll: According to the film, ''all'' "rock music" endorses evil.evil, even fairly moderate stuff like Music/TheEagles.
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* TookALevelInJerkass: Jeff starts the film as a fairly normal, decent kid who just happens to like rock and metal music. Upon his conversion, he becomes abrasive, controlling, incredibly ignorant, insufferably self-righteous and even a bit bigoted.

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* TookALevelInJerkass: Jeff starts the film as a fairly normal, decent kid who just happens to like rock and metal music. Upon his conversion, he becomes abrasive, controlling, incredibly ignorant, insufferably self-righteous and even a bit bigoted. And yet the film bizarrely expects us to see his arc as a positive one.
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Pastor Jim Owen. While you may disagree with his views, he at least seems to have given them real thought, is fairly moderate about it and doesn't judge others for their choices, even seeming to understand why kids like said music. Contrast him to Jeff who becomes insufferably self-righteous and refuses to let anyone else enjoy music he deems immoral, even when at their home. Brad Jones even praises him as a decent character in his otherwise extremely negative review of the film.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Pastor Jim Owen. While you may disagree with his views, he at least seems to have given them real thought, is fairly moderate about it and doesn't judge others for their choices, even seeming to understand why kids like said music. Contrast him to Jeff who becomes insufferably self-righteous and refuses to let anyone else enjoy music he deems immoral, even when at their home. Brad Jones even praises him as a decent character in his otherwise extremely negative review of the film. And in the re-review of the film, has him call out Jeff over his sermon.

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