History Film / Popeye

14th Apr '18 12:45:54 PM snichols1973
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14th Apr '18 9:26:00 AM snichols1973
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* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: Swee'pea! Finding and taking care of him brings Popeye and Olive Oyl closer together.

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* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: Swee'pea! Finding and taking care of him brings Popeye and Olive Oyl closer together. Even Poopdeck Pappy has a change of heart when he starts bonding with Swee'pea in a grandfatherly way after rescuing him and the treasure from Bluto's clutches.



-->'''Poopdeck Pappy''': Bless their little hearts, if they was made out of gold, I'd like to sell 'em on the open market. I could make me a fortune. Kids! Eh, they don't what they're doing. Kids, dadblast 'em! They're gonna lead you to ruin. That's what they're gonna do, lead you to ruin. They cry at you when they're young, they yell at you when they're older, they borrows from you when they's middle-aged and they leave you alone to die. Without even paying you back! Children, phooey. You give them everything they want, and what do you get back in return? You get nothing! Why they're just smaller versions of us you know, but I'm not so crazy about me in the first place, so why would I want one of them? I'm asking ya. Children. Ah, children. Little children. You'll pour your heart to them, you give them everything they want. Give them candy and a lot of toys, and what do you get in return? You get a lot of noise: "Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, my poppa's a mean old man!" I'm through with children, I'm through with kids. They ain't nothing I'm never gonna do about it.

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-->'''Poopdeck Pappy''': Bless their little hearts, if they was made out of gold, I'd like to sell 'em on the open market. I could make me a fortune. Kids! Eh, they don't know what they're doing. Kids, dadblast 'em! They're gonna lead you to ruin. That's what they're gonna do, lead you to ruin. They cry at you when they're young, they yell at you when they're older, they borrows from you when they's middle-aged and they leave you alone to die. Without even paying you back! Children, phooey. You give them everything they want, and what do you get back in return? You get nothing! Why they're just smaller versions of us you know, but I'm not so crazy about me in the first place, so why would I want one of them? I'm asking ya. Children. Ah, children. Little children. You'll pour your heart to them, you give them everything they want. Give them candy and a lot of toys, and what do you get in return? You get a lot of noise: "Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, my poppa's a mean old man!" I'm through with children, I'm through with kids. They ain't nothing I'm never gonna do about it.



We're people from the sea, Safe from democracy,

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We're people from the sea, Safe from democracy, democracy,\\


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* SpoiledBrat: When Poopdeck Pappy first sees Popeye and asks him to eat his spinach, and to a larger extent, Poopdeck Pappy's "Kids" song about ingratitude.
14th Apr '18 9:16:28 AM snichols1973
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* ChildHater: Downplayed with Poopdeck Pappy; his misanthropic song focuses on the fickleness and ingratitude of human nature:

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* ChildHater: Downplayed with Poopdeck Pappy; his misanthropic "Kids" song focuses on the fickleness and ingratitude of human nature:


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* ChildrenAreAWaste: Poopdeck Pappy's "Kids" song.
14th Apr '18 9:13:02 AM snichols1973
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* MyCountryTisOfTheeISting: "Sweet, Sweethaven -- An Anthem":

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* MyCountryTisOfTheeISting: MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting: "Sweet, Sweethaven -- An Anthem":



We the people, love Sweethaven, Hooray, hooray, Sweethaven,\\
Flags are wavin', We're people from the sea,\\
Safe from democracy, sweeter than a melon tree,\\
Put here for you and me,\\

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We the people, love Sweethaven, Sweethaven,\\
Hooray, hooray, Sweethaven,\\
Sweethaven...\\
Flags are wavin', wavin',\\
We're people from the sea,\\
sea, Safe from democracy, sweeter democracy,
Sweeter
than a melon tree,\\
tree, Put here for you and me,\\
14th Apr '18 9:04:39 AM snichols1973
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* MythologyGag:
** At Olive and Bluto's engagement party a man can be heard complaining about Olive getting married. This man is Ham Gravy, who was Olive's fiance in the original ''Thimble Theater'' comic strip before he was PutOnABus and Popeye took his place.
** Swee'pea's introduction in the movie is a big ShoutOut to the way he was introduced in the comic strip. [[note]]In the comic, he arrives in a package addressed to Popeye, and the package makes so many strange sounds that Popeye and Wimpy think it must contain a dangerous animal and are about to kill it when they discover that the package contains a baby. In the movie, Popeye picks up a basket which he mistakes for Olive's, and Olive hears the baby's rattle and is convinced that there's a rattlesnake in the basket, and Popeye opens the basket to deal with the dangerous creature before he discovers it's a baby.[[/note]]
** When Rough House asks who's going pay for the burger Wimpy replies "I'm buying, he's paying." This was one of his {{Catch Phrase}}s in the original comic strip.
** All the Roughhouse roughnecks -- Spike, Mort, Gozo, Bolo, Slug and Butch -- are all named after various thug villains Popeye encountered (and defeated) in the ''Thimble Theater'' comic strips. About half of them were henchmen for The Sea Hag.


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* MyCountryTisOfTheeISting: "Sweet, Sweethaven -- An Anthem":
-->'''Chorus''': Sweet Sweethaven, God must love us,\\
We the people, love Sweethaven, Hooray, hooray, Sweethaven,\\
Flags are wavin', We're people from the sea,\\
Safe from democracy, sweeter than a melon tree,\\
Put here for you and me,\\
Sweet Sweethaven, God must love us,\\
We the people, of Sweethaven...\\
God must have landed here, why else would He strand us here, where the air is nice and clear?\\
Sweethaven even sounds so close to Heaven...\\
God will always bless Sweethaven...
* MythologyGag:
** At Olive and Bluto's engagement party a man can be heard complaining about Olive getting married. This man is Ham Gravy, who was Olive's fiance in the original ''Thimble Theater'' comic strip before he was PutOnABus and Popeye took his place.
** Swee'pea's introduction in the movie is a big ShoutOut to the way he was introduced in the comic strip. [[note]]In the comic, he arrives in a package addressed to Popeye, and the package makes so many strange sounds that Popeye and Wimpy think it must contain a dangerous animal and are about to kill it when they discover that the package contains a baby. In the movie, Popeye picks up a basket which he mistakes for Olive's, and Olive hears the baby's rattle and is convinced that there's a rattlesnake in the basket, and Popeye opens the basket to deal with the dangerous creature before he discovers it's a baby.[[/note]]
** When Rough House asks who's going pay for the burger Wimpy replies "I'm buying, he's paying." This was one of his {{Catch Phrase}}s in the original comic strip.
** All the Roughhouse roughnecks -- Spike, Mort, Gozo, Bolo, Slug and Butch -- are all named after various thug villains Popeye encountered (and defeated) in the ''Thimble Theater'' comic strips. About half of them were henchmen for The Sea Hag.
14th Apr '18 8:35:54 AM snichols1973
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* ChildHater: Downplayed with Poopdeck Pappy; his misanthropic song focuses on the fickleness and ingratitude of human nature:
-->'''Poopdeck Pappy''': Bless their little hearts, if they was made out of gold, I'd like to sell 'em on the open market. I could make me a fortune. Kids! Eh, they don't what they're doing. Kids, dadblast 'em! They're gonna lead you to ruin. That's what they're gonna do, lead you to ruin. They cry at you when they're young, they yell at you when they're older, they borrows from you when they's middle-aged and they leave you alone to die. Without even paying you back! Children, phooey. You give them everything they want, and what do you get back in return? You get nothing! Why they're just smaller versions of us you know, but I'm not so crazy about me in the first place, so why would I want one of them? I'm asking ya. Children. Ah, children. Little children. You'll pour your heart to them, you give them everything they want. Give them candy and a lot of toys, and what do you get in return? You get a lot of noise: "Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, my poppa's a mean old man!" I'm through with children, I'm through with kids. They ain't nothing I'm never gonna do about it.
** However, when he sees Swee'pea in the clutches of Bluto, who's using him like a human treasure detector, he sees hope for the future generation and goes on a rescue mission, and starts bonding with Swee'pea and Popeye.
* ChildrenAreInnocent: Swee'pea.



* KidsAreInnocent: Swee'Pea.
24th Mar '18 2:16:13 PM TropeRoper
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* LogoJoke: As the {{Retraux}} opening recreates the opening credits of the Fleischer Bros.-era Popeye cartoons Paramount distributed (see below), the 1930s-era Paramount logo used for those substitutes for the then-current one.

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* LogoJoke: As the {{Retraux}} opening recreates the opening credits of the Fleischer Bros.-era Popeye cartoons Paramount distributed (see below), the 1930s-era Paramount logo used for those substitutes for the then-current one.one, seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZ7FQe92X0 here]].
10th Mar '18 11:41:32 AM Sapphirea2
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* IAmSong: "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man" serves as the film's final.

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* IAmSong: Popeye gets two of these: "I Yam What I Yam" and, for the film's finale, "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man" serves as the film's final.Man".



* IAmWhatIAmSong: "I Yam What I Yam" fits this trope perfectly as Popeye stands up for his principles when the others are interested in exploiting Swee'pea's abilities for profit.

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* IAmWhatIAmSong: IAmWhatIAm: "I Yam What I Yam" fits this trope perfectly as Popeye stands up for his principles when the others are interested in exploiting Swee'pea's abilities for profit.
10th Mar '18 11:39:58 AM Sapphirea2
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The plot is an origin story of sorts -- Popeye arrives in the town of Sweethaven searching for his [[LongLostRelative long-lost pappy]] (Ray Walston) and winds up not only caught in a LoveTriangle with Olive Oyl ([[Series/FaerieTaleTheatre Shelley Duvall]]) and Bluto (Paul L. Smith), but also becoming an adoptive father to an abandoned baby he names Swee'Pea...

The movie grossed more than twice its enormous budget in the U.S. alone (it took two studios to mount it -- Paramount and Disney), but received extremely mixed reviews from critics. It was also a TroubledProduction; between that and its inability to live up to Paramount's high expectations, Robin Williams came to see it as something of an OldShame and it derailed Altman's mainstream directorial career for well over a decade. It hasn't yet been outright VindicatedByHistory, but it does have a slowly-growing CultClassic following.

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The plot is an effectively the origin story of sorts -- the two-fisted sailor man. After years on the sea, Popeye arrives in the ramshackle town of Sweethaven searching for his [[LongLostRelative long-lost pappy]] (Ray Walston) and winds up not only caught in a LoveTriangle with Olive Oyl ([[Series/FaerieTaleTheatre Shelley Duvall]]) and Bluto (Paul L. Smith), but also becoming an adoptive father to an abandoned baby he names Swee'Pea...

The movie grossed more than twice its enormous budget in the U.S. alone (it took two studios to mount it -- Paramount and Disney), but received extremely mixed reviews from critics. It was also a TroubledProduction; between that and its inability to live up to Paramount's high expectations, Robin Williams came to see it as something of an OldShame and it derailed Altman's mainstream directorial career for well over a decade. It hasn't yet been outright VindicatedByHistory, but it does have a slowly-growing growing CultClassic following.



** One minute, Popeye and his adopted kid are being congratulated by the entire town for getting rid of the hated tax collector. And suddenly, he realizes that somewhere in the crowd, ''Swee'Pea has disappeared''.

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** One minute, Popeye and his adopted kid are being congratulated by the entire town for [[spoiler: getting rid of the hated tax collector.collector]]. And suddenly, he realizes that somewhere in the crowd, ''Swee'Pea has disappeared''.



* ArrangedMarriage: Between Olive and Bluto, initially.
* AuteurLicense: Robert Altman, best-known at the time for iconoclastic comedies and dramas like ''Film/{{MASH}}'' and ''Film/{{Nashville}}'', getting the reins to a family musical is a perfect example of this. Because the film wasn't as profitable as hoped and reviews were so mixed, he immediately lost it and while he did a lot of film and [=TV=] work over the rest of TheEighties, none of it got mainstream attention until 1992's ''Film/ThePlayer'', which triggered a CareerResurrection.

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* ArrangedMarriage: Between Olive and Bluto, Bluto -- initially.
* AuteurLicense: Robert Altman, best-known at the time for iconoclastic comedies and dramas like ''Film/{{MASH}}'' and ''Film/{{Nashville}}'', getting the reins to a family musical is a perfect example of this.this (and he replaced Hal Ashby, a similar New Hollywood talent). Because the film wasn't as profitable as hoped and reviews were so mixed, he immediately lost it and while he did a lot of film and [=TV=] work over the rest of TheEighties, none of it got mainstream attention until 1992's ''Film/ThePlayer'', which triggered a CareerResurrection.



* BadassGrandpa: He takes his old ship and pursues Bluto to Scab Island, and even rescues Swee'Pea from a mean-looking octopus.

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* BadassGrandpa: He Poopdeck Pappy takes his old ship and pursues Bluto to Scab Island, and even rescues Swee'Pea from a mean-looking octopus.



* ContinuityNod: A lot of them. The movie was criticized for not being very faithful to the cartoons, but it actually has a lot in common with the original ''Thimble Theater'' comic.

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* ContinuityNod: A lot of them. The movie was criticized for not being very faithful to the cartoons, but it actually has a lot in common with the original ''Thimble Theater'' comic. (As discussed in film critics Drew [=McWeeny=] and Scott Weinberg's ''80s All Over'' commentary track podcast, the film is really a ''prequel'' to the cartoons.)



* DinerBrawl: Popeye first springs into action at the aptly named Rough House. (As the gang taunts him in the leadup to the brawl, note that the workers are setting up gates/barracades, suggesting that this trope is a common occurrence there!)

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* DinerBrawl: Popeye first springs into action at the aptly named Rough House. (As As the gang taunts him in the leadup to the brawl, note that the workers are setting up gates/barracades, suggesting that this trope is a common occurrence there!)there!



* EvilDebtCollector: The Tax Man will come up with all sorts of frivolous charges to get arbitrary amounts of tax. And he demands exact change.

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* EvilDebtCollector: The Tax Man will come up with all sorts of frivolous charges to get arbitrary amounts of tax. And he demands exact change.change!



* IAmSong: Along with "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man", which serves as the film's finale, Popeye gets "I Yam What I Yam".

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* IAmSong: Along with "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man", which Man" serves as the film's finale, Popeye gets "I Yam What I Yam".final.



* IAmWhatIAmSong: "I Yam What I Yam" fits this trope perfectly as Popeye stands up for his principles when the others are interested in exploiting Swee'pea's abilities for profit.



* KarmaHoudini: Wimpy causes a lot of complications for Popeye and The Oyls, yet he never really seems to pay for any of it.

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* KarmaHoudini: Wimpy causes a lot of complications for Popeye and The Oyls, Oyls -- as the ''80s All Over'' podcast points out, he ''sells a baby for burgers'' -- yet he never really seems to pay for any of it.



** "Look at Bluto! He's gone yellow!"



** "Look at Bluto! He's gone yellow!" at the end.



* OriginStory: As with many movies that have launched superhero franchises, this is a tale of how Popeye gets started.

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* OriginStory: As with many movies that have launched superhero franchises, this is a tale of how Popeye gets started.started, establishing all his major relationships and iconic items along the way.



* StealthPun: All the Wallflower sisters are named after flowers.

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* StealthPun: All the Wallflower Wallfluer (i.e. "wallflower") sisters are named after flowers.
6th Feb '18 9:53:16 AM Sapphirea2
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The movie grossed more than twice its enormous budget in the U.S. alone (it took two studios to mount it -- Paramount and Disney), but received extremely mixed reviews from critics. It was also a TroubledProduction; between that and its inability to live up to Paramount's high expectations, Robin Williams came to see it as something of an OldShame and it derailed Altman's mainstream directorial career for well over a decade. It hasn't yet been outright VindicatedByHistory, but it does have its admirers.

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The movie grossed more than twice its enormous budget in the U.S. alone (it took two studios to mount it -- Paramount and Disney), but received extremely mixed reviews from critics. It was also a TroubledProduction; between that and its inability to live up to Paramount's high expectations, Robin Williams came to see it as something of an OldShame and it derailed Altman's mainstream directorial career for well over a decade. It hasn't yet been outright VindicatedByHistory, but it does have its admirers.
a slowly-growing CultClassic following.


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* CreditsMedley: A lushly-orchestrated instrumental medley of "I'm Popeye the Sailor Man", "I Yam What I Yam", "He Needs Me", and "I'm Mean" closes out the film.
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