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17th Sep '17 12:11:49 PM wootzits
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* ParentalNeglect: One of the reasons for Elisabet's condition, recounted by Alma in the film's climax, is having a son she didn't want and who she can't bring herself to love. It's said the son lives with relatives and Elisabet only sees him sporadically and unwillingly.
28th Aug '17 4:57:40 PM ThatsNotFroot
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A 1966 classic film by [[UsefulNotes/{{Sweden}} Swedish]] director Creator/IngmarBergman (the guy who made ''Film/TheSeventhSeal''), starring Creator/BibiAndersson and Creator/LivUllmann. As with anything by Creator/IngmarBergman, this movie rides heavily on symbolism and philosophy. Its plot is... hard [[MindScrew to explain]].

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A 1966 classic film psychological drama by [[UsefulNotes/{{Sweden}} Swedish]] director Creator/IngmarBergman (the guy who made ''Film/TheSeventhSeal''), Creator/IngmarBergman, starring Creator/BibiAndersson and Creator/LivUllmann. As with anything by Creator/IngmarBergman, this much of Bergman's filmography, the movie rides heavily on symbolism and philosophy. Its plot is... hard [[MindScrew hard to explain]].



Whatever happens from there on is entirely up to you to guess. The director's [[ShrugOfGod lack of explanation]] does not help. However, it is still regarded as one of the best movies by Ingmar Bergman.

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Whatever happens from there on is entirely up to you to guess. The director's [[ShrugOfGod lack of explanation]] does not help. However, it is still regarded as one of the Bergman's best movies by Ingmar Bergman.
movies, and one of the greatest films of all time.
16th Aug '17 9:32:27 AM SeptimusHeap
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At first, it is pretty straightforward: an actress named Elisabet Vogler suddenly decides not to speak and is thus considered mentally ill. She and Alma, the nurse who takes care of her, are sent to a Summer cottage in hopes that it will help nurse the actress back to health. Alma talks to her a lot, first about trivial things and then about increasingly personal matters. One day, she reads a letter by Elisabet to her husband, which talks about these matters; among them, a sexual tryst Alma had with [[{{Shotacon}} underage boys]]. Cold war ensues.

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At first, it is pretty straightforward: an actress named Elisabet Vogler suddenly decides not to speak and is thus considered mentally ill. She and Alma, the nurse who takes care of her, are sent to a Summer cottage in hopes that it will help nurse the actress back to health. Alma talks to her a lot, first about trivial things and then about increasingly personal matters. One day, she reads a letter by Elisabet to her husband, which talks about these matters; among them, a sexual tryst Alma had with [[{{Shotacon}} [[NoYay underage boys]]. Cold war ensues.
12th Aug '17 11:10:04 AM rjd1922
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Unrelated to the ''{{VideoGame/Persona}}'' videogames, although Jungian psychology is a major theme in both.

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Unrelated to the ''{{VideoGame/Persona}}'' videogames, video games, although Jungian psychology is a major theme in both.
25th May '17 1:04:45 PM jamespolk
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* ImpaledPalm: One of the surreal inserts that opens and closes the film is a shot of a palm getting a nail pounded through it Jesus-style.
25th May '17 12:52:17 PM jamespolk
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%%* GainaxEnding* CreatorCameo: Bergman along with his cameraman right at the end.
* GainaxEnding: Alma and Elisabet packing up to leave, a ghostly Elisabet caressing Alma in the mirror, Alma leaving alone as Elisabet seems to have disappeared, brief shots showing Alma seemingly acting out the memory of a stage play that was Elisabet's. Then a shot of Ingmar Bergman filming the movie, and a shot of film running out of the camera and the arc light going out.
25th May '17 12:34:27 PM jamespolk
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* ImaginaryFriend: Although it's never really made clear in this MindScrew of a movie, it's eventually at least hinted that "Elisabet"--the character played by Ullmann, that is--is not real, and is actually a figment of the imagination of "Alma" (Andersson) who is the real Elisabet. Note the scene where Elisabet's husband shows up and calls Alma "Elisabet". Alma denies it at first but then starts talking to the husband like she actually is Elisabet. Meanwhile, the husband does not seem to perceive the presence of Liv Ullmann when she shows up in the scene. Note also how the camera cuts to Ullmann just as Alma, apparently in "Elisabet" mode, shouts "It's all just sham and lies!"

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* ImaginaryFriend: Although it's never really made clear in this MindScrew of a movie, it's eventually at least hinted that "Elisabet"--the character played by Ullmann, that is--is not real, and is actually a figment of the imagination of "Alma" (Andersson) who is the real Elisabet. Note the scene where Elisabet's husband shows up and calls Alma "Elisabet". Alma denies it at first but then starts talking to the husband like she actually is Elisabet. Meanwhile, the husband does not seem to perceive the presence of Liv Ullmann when she shows up in the scene. Note also how the camera cuts to Ullmann just as Alma, apparently in "Elisabet" mode, shouts "It's all just sham and lies!"lies!" This is also strongly implied towards the end with the famous RepeatCut address scenes--Elisabet as Alma addresses her, then a cut to Alma doing the talking, then a horrified Alma insisting that she is ''not'' Elisabet, then a shot with one half of each character's face joined together to make a whole.


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* ScareChord: Used a few times for disturbing imagery, like when half of Alma's face is put together with half of Elisabet's face to form one face.
25th May '17 12:05:13 PM jamespolk
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* ImaginaryFriend: Although it's never really made clear in this MindScrew of a movie, it's eventually at least hinted that "Elisabet"--the character played by Ullmann, that is--is not real, and is actually a figment of the imagination of "Alma" (Andersson) who is the real Elisabet. Note the scene where Elisabet's husband shows up and calls Alma "Elisabet". Alma denies it at first but then starts talking to the husband like she actually is Elisabet. Meanwhile, the husband does not seem to perceive the presence of Liv Ullmann when she shows up in the scene.

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* ImaginaryFriend: Although it's never really made clear in this MindScrew of a movie, it's eventually at least hinted that "Elisabet"--the character played by Ullmann, that is--is not real, and is actually a figment of the imagination of "Alma" (Andersson) who is the real Elisabet. Note the scene where Elisabet's husband shows up and calls Alma "Elisabet". Alma denies it at first but then starts talking to the husband like she actually is Elisabet. Meanwhile, the husband does not seem to perceive the presence of Liv Ullmann when she shows up in the scene. Note also how the camera cuts to Ullmann just as Alma, apparently in "Elisabet" mode, shouts "It's all just sham and lies!"
25th May '17 12:03:26 PM jamespolk
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* MaddenIntoMisanthropy: Apparently this is what happened to Elisabet. The stress of all the white lies people have to tell and the masks people have to wear drove her to stop talking to anyone.
25th May '17 12:02:24 PM jamespolk
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* MeltingFilmEffect: TropeCodifier at the least, as this is just one of the ways Bergman reminds you his movie is only a movie.
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