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*EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: As deranged and tyrannical the J.P. is, he does seem to genuinely love his family, especially his granddaughter.
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* DefensiveFeintTrap: When one of the drug dealers threatens Dennis with a gun, he fakes distress before producing a [[CoolGun Walther]] [[MoreDakka MPL]].
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* DefensiveFeintTrap: When one of the drug dealers threatens Dennis with a gun, he fakes distress before producing a [[CoolGun Walther]] Walther [[MoreDakka MPL]].
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I have to agree that there doesn't appear to be a reason for the JP to be lying unless he expects Thorne to be watching and wishes to terrorise him even more. But the fact that Purdah did die for sure casts this claim as inaccurate at least. Maybe he didn't care enough to consider mentioning her? Perhaps the script could provide some answers. Let's leave it into debatable territory
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler:It's ultimately left unclear whether Eldona, Bobo and Lil Debbul died in the collapsing manor like Miss Purdah, or escaped like the Judge. He for one claims that they all made it but given that this claim is disproven by Purdah's demise he could very well avoid giving too many details to the news reporters.]]
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The judge explicitly tells a reporter that "[they] all got out alive", and uses "we" when declaring the intent to move in with Chris. He could be lying, but what would he gain from it?
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler:It's ultimately left unclear whether Eldona, Bobo and Lil Debbul died in the collapsing manor like Miss Purdah, or escaped like the Judge.]]
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Since we all Saw Purdah falling to her untimely death it immediately disproves his claim that they all got out alive, leaving the possible casualties open
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* TheWallsAreClosingIn: Chris and Diane are menaced by a wall moving in to crush them while they're sneaking around the Valkenheiser estate.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler:It's ultimately left unclear whether Eldona, Bobo and Lil Debbul died in the collapsing manor like Miss Purdah, or escaped like the Judge.]]
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Valkenheiser specifically mentions that "we all got out alive", so it's clear that they survived off-camera.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[spoiler:It's ultimately left unclear whether Eldona, Bobo and Lil Debbul died in the collapsing manor like Miss Purdah, or escaped like the Judge.]]
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* LetsGetDangerous: Chris’s response to Judge Valkenheiser’s taunting in the climax, shortly before he [[StuffBlowingUp causes a diversion:]]
-->'''Chris''': All right, you old liver spot…
-->'''Chris''': All right, you old liver spot…
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** "Mr. Bonestripper", the Judge's roller coaster of doom, gets a very nifty hard rock song from the band "Damn Yankees" that plays the two times it gets used.
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** "Mr. Bonestripper", the Judge's roller coaster of doom, [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uQhCZear7A gets a very nifty hard rock song from the band "Damn Yankees" Yankees"]] that plays the two times it gets used.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: God help you, God really, '''really''' help you if you're a banker (or work on some business that people could describe (even if highly erroneously) as "banker") and the JP gets you. No amount of fame, fortune or begging will save you from being sentenced harshly, or maybe even '''killed''' and disappeared without a trace, ''just for being a "banker".''
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* DisproportionateRetribution: God help you, God really, '''really''' help you if you're a banker (or work on some business that people could describe (even ([[DistinctionWithoutADifference even if highly erroneously) erroneously]]) as "banker") and the JP gets you. No amount of fame, fortune or begging will save you from being sentenced harshly, or maybe even '''killed''' and disappeared without a trace, ''just for being a "banker".''''
* DistinctionWithoutADifference: When Judge Valkenheiser and Chris first meet, the Judge deems Chris "a banker" when in reality Chris is a financial publisher - an analyst that publishes a newsletter. Chris even tries to explain only for the Judge to insist on the "banker" label. [[BerserkButton This detail becomes much more important]] later in the film, [[PlayedForHorror in a worse way that Chris expected]].
* DistinctionWithoutADifference: When Judge Valkenheiser and Chris first meet, the Judge deems Chris "a banker" when in reality Chris is a financial publisher - an analyst that publishes a newsletter. Chris even tries to explain only for the Judge to insist on the "banker" label. [[BerserkButton This detail becomes much more important]] later in the film, [[PlayedForHorror in a worse way that Chris expected]].
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* {{Leitmotif}}:
** InUniverse, the worn-down march that plays whenever Judge Valkenheiser proceeds.
** "Mr. Bonestripper", the Judge's roller coaster of doom, gets a very nifty hard rock song from the band "Damn Yankees" that plays the two times it gets used.
** InUniverse, the worn-down march that plays whenever Judge Valkenheiser proceeds.
** "Mr. Bonestripper", the Judge's roller coaster of doom, gets a very nifty hard rock song from the band "Damn Yankees" that plays the two times it gets used.
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* InsistentTerminology: Chris tells Judge Valkenheiser that he's a financial advisor, not a banker. Old Alvin [[DistinctionWithoutADifference claims otherwise]].
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* InsistentTerminology: Chris tells Judge Valkenheiser that he's a financial advisor, not a banker. Old Alvin [[DistinctionWithoutADifference claims otherwise]].
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Given how willing JV was to kill Diane and Chris in some rather... creative ways including Eldona at one point nearly burning Diane alive it seems more likely that his concern was reserved for his friends and not any discomfort with nasty deaths in general
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: [[spoiler:When the town and the manor begin to collapse from the coal fires, the Judge is clearly aware of what a slow, horrible death that would be, and immediately yells for everyone present, friend and foe alike, to "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"]]
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* VillainousFriendship: [[spoiler:When the town and the manor begin to collapse from the coal fires, the Judge is clearly aware of what a slow, horrible death that would be, and immediately yells to the state police to "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"]]
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Whoops, I didn't notice what I'm pasting. What I meant is: Corrupt Hick has been cut per this TRS tread:[1]
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- Small Town Tyrant: Judge Alvin Valkenheiser! Valkenvania is basically his personal fiefdom (his mansion is even built like a castle, complete with moat; and his official title, "Shire Reeve", is the feudal version of a magistrate). Plus his whole operation consists of having his deputized family members arrest criminals (both real and imagined) who journey through the town before executing them so they can loot their cars and other belongings. Though while corrupt, the JP is not a "hick" in the traditional sense of the term, as illustrated by the fact that he has an Engineering Degree and that he's likely the one who heavily modified and automated his courthouse/mansion.
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Chase plays Chris Thorne, a financial publisher with his own newsletter. At a party, he meets financial lawyer Diane Lightson (Moore), who he offers to drive to Atlantic City for an important meeting. Tagging along are two of Chris' wealthiest clients, eccentric Brazillian siblings Fausto (Taylor Negron) and Renalda (Bertila Damas). During their trip through the country, they make an ill-advised detour through the mining town of Valkenvania, where they are menaced by the corrupt and tyrannical [[HangingJudge Justice]] [[CorruptHick Alvin Valkenheiser]] (Aykroyd) and his family.
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Chase plays Chris Thorne, a financial publisher with his own newsletter. At a party, he meets financial lawyer Diane Lightson (Moore), who he offers to drive to Atlantic City for an important meeting. Tagging along are two of Chris' wealthiest clients, eccentric Brazillian siblings Fausto (Taylor Negron) and Renalda (Bertila Damas). During their trip through the country, they make an ill-advised detour through the mining town of Valkenvania, where they are menaced by the corrupt and tyrannical [[HangingJudge Justice]] [[CorruptHick Alvin Valkenheiser]] Valkenheiser (Aykroyd) and his family.
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* AbhorrentAdmirer: Eldona, an overweight woman played by John Candy in drag, wants to marry Chris, whether ''he'' wants to or not (and her CorruptHick grandfather JP is more than happy to help her arrange this).
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* AbhorrentAdmirer: Eldona, an overweight woman played by John Candy in drag, wants to marry Chris, whether ''he'' wants to or not (and her CorruptHick grandfather JP is more than happy to help her arrange this).
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* CorruptHick: Judge Alvin Valkenheiser! Valkenvania is basically his personal fiefdom (his mansion is even built like a castle, complete with moat; and his official title, "Shire Reeve", is the feudal version of a magistrate). Plus his whole operation consists of having his [[DirtyCop deputized family members]] arrest criminals (both [[AssholeVictim real]] and [[DisproportionateRetribution imagined]]) who journey through the town before [[HangingJudge executing them]] so they can loot their cars and other belongings. Though while corrupt, the JP is not a "hick" in the traditional sense of the term, as illustrated by the fact that he has an Engineering Degree and that he's likely the one who heavily modified and automated his courthouse/mansion.
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* HangingJudge: JP Alvin Valkenheiser. He's a CorruptHick who rules his courtroom like a tyrant, and executes anyone he hates (especially stinkin' ''bankers''!) by sentencing them to a ride on the "Bonestripper".
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* HangingJudge: JP Alvin Valkenheiser. He's a CorruptHick who He rules his courtroom like a tyrant, and executes anyone he hates (especially stinkin' ''bankers''!) by sentencing them to a ride on the "Bonestripper".
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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Surprisingly averted. It seems to be the ''one'' thing the JP has in terms of being just. In spite of being a CorruptHick par excellence, when he judges a group of hip hop artists, he actually lets them be on their way after asking them for a favor. Though the heroes also discover a newspaper clipping indicating that he executed a group of Hare Krishnas.
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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Surprisingly averted. It seems to be the ''one'' thing the JP has in terms of being just. In spite of being a CorruptHick par excellence, when When he judges a group of hip hop artists, he actually lets them be on their way after asking them for a favor. Though the heroes also discover a newspaper clipping indicating that he executed a group of Hare Krishnas.
* SmallTownTyrant: Judge Alvin Valkenheiser! Valkenvania is basically his personal fiefdom (his mansion is even built like a castle, complete with moat; and his official title, "Shire Reeve", is the feudal version of a magistrate). Plus his whole operation consists of having his [[DirtyCop deputized family members]] arrest criminals (both [[AssholeVictim real]] and [[DisproportionateRetribution imagined]]) who journey through the town before [[HangingJudge executing them]] so they can loot their cars and other belongings. Though while corrupt, the JP is not a "hick" in the traditional sense of the term, as illustrated by the fact that he has an Engineering Degree and that he's likely the one who heavily modified and automated his courthouse/mansion.
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* VillainWithGoodPublicity: [[spoiler:J.P Valkenheiser. After making their escape, the heroes inform the state troopers about the CorruptHick HangingJudge ruling Valkenvania like a dictator and executing anyone he pleases, but when they go back there it turns out that they all love the JP and his methods. They're about to dispose of the heroes instead for having seen too much when an earthquake destroys the town.]]
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* VillainWithGoodPublicity: [[spoiler:J.P Valkenheiser. After making their escape, the heroes inform the state troopers about the CorruptHick HangingJudge ruling Valkenvania like a dictator and executing anyone he pleases, but when they go back there it turns out that they all love the JP and his methods. They're about to dispose of the heroes instead for having seen too much when an earthquake destroys the town.]]
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* HistoricalInJoke[=/=]StockUnsolvedMysteries: While searching for a way out of the Valkenvania house, Diane and Chris find a RoomFullOfCrazy (with license cards of every "banker" that the JP has killed)... and one of the identifications happens to be that of Jimmy Hoffa.
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* HistoricalInJoke[=/=]StockUnsolvedMysteries: While searching for a way out of the Valkenvania house, Diane and Chris find a RoomFullOfCrazy (with license cards of every "banker" that containing the JP [=IDs=] of everyone the judge has killed)... and killed... with one of the identifications happens to be that of them being Jimmy Hoffa.Hoffa's.
