History Film / Lincoln

14th Nov '16 6:55:51 PM creader
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* AffablyEvil / TokenGoodTeammate: As was apparently true to life, Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens is respectful to the black Union soldiers he meets, in contrast to his fellow Confederate escort. In real life, Stephens was a white supremacist and avid supporter of slavery, but he campaigned for better treatment of slaves and apparently treated his slaves well enough that many stayed with him as paid servants after the war, and one even served as a pallbearer. Lincoln and Stephens were also friends before the war, as hinted at when Lincoln addresses him as "Alex."



* CaliforniaDoubling: More like Virginia Doubling - the House Chamber was shot in the chamber of the Virginia House of Delegates in Richmond. The theater which Tad Lincoln was watching his play in can be found in Fredericksburg.



* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: As was apparently true to life, Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens is respectful to the black Union soldiers he meets, in contrast to his fellow Confederate escort. In real life, Stephens was a white supremacist and avid supporter of slavery, but he campaigned for better treatment of slaves and apparently treated his slaves well enough that many stayed with him as paid servants after the war, and one even served as a pallbearer. Lincoln and Stephens were also friends before the war, as hinted at when Lincoln addresses him as "Alex."



* HonorBeforeReason / GoodIsDumb: Discussed in a private meeting between Lincoln and Thaddeus Stevens. Stevens has revolutionary ideas about making all African-Americans equal and overturning Southern society to make it a haven for citizens of all colors. Lincoln agrees with him in principle, but he cautions Stevens to not make his goals so clear, for fear of scaring off his more reluctant supporters, and start with the small step of abolition first.

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* HonorBeforeReason / GoodIsDumb: HonorBeforeReason: Discussed in a private meeting between Lincoln and Thaddeus Stevens. Stevens has revolutionary ideas about making all African-Americans equal and overturning Southern society to make it a haven for citizens of all colors. Lincoln agrees with him in principle, but he cautions Stevens to not make his goals so clear, for fear of scaring off his more reluctant supporters, and start with the small step of abolition first.



* ManlyTears[=/=]TearsOfJoy: Many of the Republican Congressman after [[spoiler:securing the passage of the 13th Amendment.]]

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* ManlyTears[=/=]TearsOfJoy: ManlyTears: Many of the Republican Congressman after [[spoiler:securing the passage of the 13th Amendment.]]
25th Oct '16 5:37:20 PM 04tele
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-->'''Lincoln''': The part assigned to me is to raise the flag, which, if there be no fault in the machinery, I will do, and when up, it will be for the people to keep it up. ...that's my speech.

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-->'''Lincoln''': The part assigned to me is to raise the flag, which, if there be no fault in the machinery, I will do, and when up, it will be for the people to keep it up. ...that's [''Pause''] That's my speech.
22nd Oct '16 10:20:33 PM CaptEquinox
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* EnemyMine: The amendment requires anywhere from 16 to 20 Democrats voting yes to pass. This is harder than it sounds because a major amount of Lincoln's support comes from Radical Republicans, who are heavily opposed to working with Democrats. Lincoln eventually convinces Rep. Stevens to cooperate for the greater good, and in a memorable scene he verbally intimidates the feeble Democrat Coffroth into ''not'' switching parties because they need to show other Dems that the 13th has bipartisan support.

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* EnemyMine: The amendment requires anywhere from 16 to 20 Democrats voting yes to pass. This is harder than it sounds because a major amount of Lincoln's support comes from Radical Republicans, who are heavily opposed to working with Democrats. Lincoln eventually convinces Rep. Stevens to cooperate for the greater good, and in a memorable scene he Stevens verbally intimidates the feeble Democrat Coffroth into ''not'' switching parties because they need to show other Dems that the 13th has bipartisan support.
20th Sep '16 3:07:20 PM jamespolk
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''Film/{{Lincoln}}'' is a historical retelling of the [[UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln 16th President of the United States]]'s attempts to get the Thirteenth Amendment passed, directed by Creator/StevenSpielberg and written by [[Theatre/AngelsInAmerica Tony Kushner]], based on the acclaimed biography ''Team of Rivals'' by Doris Kearns Goodwin. It stars Creator/DanielDayLewis as Lincoln, Creator/SallyField as Mary Todd Lincoln, Creator/JosephGordonLevitt as their son Robert and has a supporting cast that includes Creator/TommyLeeJones, David Strathairn, Jared Harris and Creator/JackieEarleHaley.

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''Film/{{Lincoln}}'' ''Lincoln'' is a historical retelling of the [[UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln 16th President of the United States]]'s attempts to get the Thirteenth Amendment passed, directed by Creator/StevenSpielberg and written by [[Theatre/AngelsInAmerica Tony Kushner]], based on the acclaimed biography ''Team of Rivals'' by Doris Kearns Goodwin. It stars Creator/DanielDayLewis as Lincoln, Creator/SallyField as Mary Todd Lincoln, Creator/JosephGordonLevitt as their son Robert and has a supporting cast that includes Creator/TommyLeeJones, David Strathairn, Jared Harris and Creator/JackieEarleHaley.



* UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar: Is in its fourth and final year. The struggle to pass the Thirteenth Amendment is to secure what was won and to ultimately ensure that once the scourge of war had passed away that the nation would have a new birth of freedom.



*** Plus the speech was printed in national newspapers. People could have read and passed it on, copied it in letters or diaries, etc.



** When Representative [[spoiler:Hutton]] is called to cast his vote for the amendment he is silently praying. The natural assumption that doing so would have moved him to vote to free the slaves turns out to be incorrect and he votes against the Thirteenth Amendment. [[spoiler:This makes Yeaman's "Yes" vote right after all the sweeter.]]

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** When Representative [[spoiler:Hutton]] Hutton is called to cast his vote for the amendment he is silently praying. The natural assumption that doing so would have moved him to vote to free the slaves turns out to be incorrect and he votes against the Thirteenth Amendment. [[spoiler:This makes Yeaman's "Yes" vote right after all the sweeter.]]



** Lincoln impressions almost invariably use a deep, sonorous tone (this started with molasses-voiced Raymond Massey in his 1940 performance), when in reality Lincoln had a high and nasal voice. Many viewers were confused to first hear Lewis's performance, which has been praised by Lincoln scholars for being very realistic. It didn't help that Day-Lewis's voice was at its highest and most nasal when he was shouting or speaking loudly in excitement, and the movie trailers contain a disproportionate (to the movie) number of those moments.\\

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** Lincoln impressions almost invariably use a deep, sonorous tone (this started with molasses-voiced Raymond Massey in his [[Theatre/AbeLincolnInIllinois 1940 performance), performance]]), when in reality Lincoln had a high and nasal voice. Many viewers were confused to first hear Lewis's performance, which has been praised by Lincoln scholars for being very realistic. It didn't help that Day-Lewis's voice was at its highest and most nasal when he was shouting or speaking loudly in excitement, and the movie trailers contain a disproportionate (to the movie) number of those moments.\\



%%* {{Realpolitik}}: Lincoln proves to be a master of this.

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%%* * {{Realpolitik}}: Lincoln proves to be a master of this.this. He's perfectly willing to make deals, offer favors, and straight-up bribe people in order to get the 13th Amendment passed.



** Thaddeus Stevens gets off a good one [[spoiler:at the expense of pro-slavery Congressman George Pendleton. Which oddly enough, is worded to say, "You suck, but you deserve equality!"]]
--> '''Stevens:''' How can I hold that all men are created equal, [[spoiler:when here before me stands, ''stinking'' ... the moral carcass of the gentleman from Ohio? ''Proof'' that some men ''are'' inferior! Endowed by their maker with dim wits! Impermeable to reason! With cold, pallid ''slime'' in their veins instead of ''hot red blood!'' ''You'' are more ''reptile'' than man, George! So low and flat, that the foot of man is ''incapable'' of crushing you!]]

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** Thaddeus Stevens gets off a good one [[spoiler:at at the expense of pro-slavery Congressman George Pendleton. Which oddly enough, is worded to say, "You suck, but you deserve equality!"]]
equality!"
--> '''Stevens:''' How can I hold that all men are created equal, [[spoiler:when when here before me stands, ''stinking'' ... the moral carcass of the gentleman from Ohio? ''Proof'' that some men ''are'' inferior! Endowed by their maker with dim wits! Impermeable to reason! With cold, pallid ''slime'' in their veins instead of ''hot red blood!'' ''You'' are more ''reptile'' than man, George! So low and flat, that the foot of man is ''incapable'' of crushing you!]]you!



--> '''Stevens:''' [[spoiler:Yet even you, Pendleton, who should have been gibbeted for treason long before today, even worthless unworthy you ought to be treated equally before the law!]]

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--> '''Stevens:''' [[spoiler:Yet Yet even you, Pendleton, who should have been gibbeted for treason long before today, even worthless unworthy you ought to be treated equally before the law!]]law!



** During a carriage ride in April Lincoln talks about visiting the Holy Land, telling Mary: "There is no place I so much desire to see as Jerusalem." This is a direct quote of what is claimed to be his last words to her at Ford's Theater.

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** During a carriage ride in April Lincoln talks about visiting the Holy Land, telling Mary: "There is no place I so much desire to see as Jerusalem." This is a direct quote of what is claimed to be his last words he actually said to her at Ford's Theater.in the carriage that day, hours before he was shot.



* SoHappyTogether: After the 13th Amendment is passed, Abraham and Mrs. Lincoln reconcile and are shown happy together, musing on going on vacation and seeing Jerusalem. [[spoiler:It doesn't happen.]]

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* SoHappyTogether: After the 13th Amendment is passed, Abraham and Mrs. Lincoln reconcile and are shown happy together, musing on going on vacation and seeing Jerusalem. [[spoiler:It It doesn't happen.]]



** Abraham Lincoln takes his oldest son to a veteran's hospital to try to talk him out of enlisting. The young man nearly cracks when he sees some orderlies pushing a wheelbarrow dripping blood to [[spoiler:a hole where they're dumping amputated human limbs by the dozens]]. Everyone in the hospital itself is missing one or both their legs.

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** Abraham Lincoln takes his oldest son to a veteran's hospital to try to talk him out of enlisting. The young man nearly cracks when he sees some orderlies pushing a wheelbarrow dripping blood to [[spoiler:a a hole where they're dumping amputated human limbs by the dozens]].dozens. Everyone in the hospital itself is missing one or both their legs.
3rd Sep '16 7:07:38 AM Az_Tech341
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Inverted. Secretary Seward initially urges Lincoln to hold off on calling for a vote on the 13th Amendment until the seating of 1864, upon which the House of Representatives will have a Republican majority. Lincoln, however, insists it must be done before then because the war will be over soon and many Republicans will see no reason to vote for the 13th if the South is already defeated. To test this Seward asks a visiting couple who claim to support the amendment if they would still vote for it if the war were already won, to which they admit they wouldn't, they only care about winning the war sooner. Their answer convinces Seward that the matter of the amendment is indeed urgent and he allies himself more closely to Lincoln's goals.

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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: Inverted. Secretary Seward initially urges Lincoln to hold off on calling for a vote on the 13th Amendment until the seating of 1864, upon which the House of Representatives will have a Republican majority. Lincoln, however, insists it must be done before then because the war will be over soon and many Republicans will see no reason to vote for the 13th if the South is already defeated. To test this Seward asks a visiting couple who claim to support the amendment if they would still vote for it if the war were already won, to which they admit they wouldn't, they only care about winning the war sooner. Their answer convinces Seward that the matter of the amendment is indeed urgent and he allies himself more closely to Lincoln's goals.
19th Jul '16 8:54:10 PM Fireblood
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* SoreLoser: The Confederate Peace Commission. They ''know'' they're about lose the war, but stubbornly refuse to give up their slaves, somehow thinking they keep the old South in tact.

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* SoreLoser: The Confederate Peace Commission. They ''know'' they're about lose the war, but stubbornly refuse to give up their slaves, somehow thinking they can keep the old South in tact.intact.



* SuddenPrincipledStand: [[spoiler:Clay Hawkins]] despite being threatened with violence from his own constituency, votes for the amendment, vigorously defying his own party to "shoot me dead!" This act of courage prompts a moral tug-of-war in the next Democrat who can't decide whether to stand by party or principles.

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* SuddenPrincipledStand: [[spoiler:Clay Hawkins]] Hawkins]], despite being threatened with violence from his own constituency, votes for the amendment, vigorously defying his own party to "shoot me dead!" This act of courage prompts a moral tug-of-war in the next Democrat who can't decide whether to stand by party or principles.



** Thaddeus Stevens gets one, kind of, when pressed by his Democrat enemies to either admit that he believes blacks should be completely equal to whites in all things, or to take a more moderate, watered down approach -- either would jeopardise support for the amendment from some quarters. [[spoiler: He gets around it by admitting that he doesn't believe all men are equal... [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech because the men he's currently arguing with are loathsome, slimy idiots closer to reptiles than men]].]]

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** Thaddeus Stevens gets one, kind of, when pressed by his Democrat enemies to either admit that he believes blacks should be completely equal to whites in all things, or to take a more moderate, watered down approach -- either would jeopardise jeopardize support for the amendment from some quarters. [[spoiler: He gets around it by admitting that he doesn't believe all men are equal... [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech because the men he's currently arguing with are loathsome, slimy idiots closer to reptiles than men]].]]



* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Despite being an anti-slavery party the House Republicans are not totally behind the amendment. The conservative faction has to be persuaded by the Blair family to support it.

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* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Despite being an anti-slavery party party, the House Republicans are not totally behind the amendment. The conservative faction has to be persuaded by the Blair family to support it.



** The opening scene is very violent, brutal, and nasty, with soldiers fighting in hand-to-hand combat and stamping their enemies' heads into the waterlogged battlefield to drown them. It then cuts to an African-American soldier who says that, given that the Rebel soldiers didn't take black prisoners at a previous battle, the black Union soldiers at Jenkin's Ferry decided they weren't going to take prisoners either.

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** The opening scene is very violent, brutal, and nasty, with soldiers fighting in hand-to-hand combat and stamping their enemies' heads into the waterlogged battlefield to drown them. It then cuts to an African-American soldier who says that, given that the Rebel Confederate soldiers didn't take black prisoners at a previous battle, the black Union soldiers at Jenkin's Ferry decided they weren't going to take prisoners either.
14th Jun '16 4:03:52 PM HawkbitAlpha
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* LargeHam: Stanton, "Beanpole" Burton. Bilbo has his moments too.

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* LargeHam: Wood, Stanton, "Beanpole" Burton. Bilbo has his moments too.
7th May '16 2:49:26 PM MadCat221
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** The opening scene is very violent, brutal, and nasty, with soldiers fighting in hand-to-hand combat and stamping their enemies' heads into the waterlogged battlefield to drown them. It then cuts to an African-American soldier who says that, given that the Rebel soldiers didn't take black prisoners at a previous battle, the black soldiers at Jenkin's Ferry decided they weren't going to take prisoners either.

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** The opening scene is very violent, brutal, and nasty, with soldiers fighting in hand-to-hand combat and stamping their enemies' heads into the waterlogged battlefield to drown them. It then cuts to an African-American soldier who says that, given that the Rebel soldiers didn't take black prisoners at a previous battle, the black Union soldiers at Jenkin's Ferry decided they weren't going to take prisoners either.
20th Mar '16 7:37:50 PM JulianLapostat
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* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: Stevens wants to treat the South as a conquered nation. In contrast Lincoln wants to welcome them back into the Union with open arms and be forgiving as possible.

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* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: Stevens wants to treat the South as a conquered nation. In contrast Lincoln wants to welcome them back into the Union with open arms and be forgiving as possible. Of course, given what happened in Reconstruction, history is very much on Stevens' side on this issue.
20th Mar '16 4:57:07 PM ProfessorGrimm
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* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: Stevens wants to treat the South as a conquered nation. In contrast Lincoln wants to welcome them back into the Union with open arms and be forgiving as possible.


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* SoreLoser: The Confederate Peace Commission. They ''know'' they're about lose the war, but stubbornly refuse to give up their slaves, somehow thinking they keep the old South in tact.
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