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5th Feb '16 3:53:36 PM JesseMB27
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* AdaptationalEarlyAppearance: The Therns are the BigBad, provoking the conflict between the city-states of Helium and Zodanga, and even being accidentally responsible for bringing John Carter to Mars in the first place. In the original novels, the Therns weren't introduced until the second book.
19th Jan '16 7:00:48 PM PaulA
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* PungeonMaster: As usual, Michael Giacchino's titles for the tracks from the score are about twenty percent terrible puns: 'A Thern Warning', 'Thernabout', 'The Carter They Fall', and so on.
19th Jan '16 3:26:42 PM creader
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* ForTheEvulz[=/=]ItAmusedMe: It's implied that this is more or less the only reason behind the Therns' machinations.

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* ForTheEvulz[=/=]ItAmusedMe: ForTheEvulz: It's implied that this is more or less the only reason behind the Therns' machinations.


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* PungeonMaster: As usual, Michael Giacchino's titles for the tracks from the score are about twenty percent terrible puns: 'A Thern Warning', 'Thernabout', 'The Carter They Fall', and so on.
29th Nov '15 6:08:43 PM PaulA
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* CompositeCharacter: Several minor characters from the book were merged into more major ones -- Than Kosis (Jeddak of Zodanga) was merged with his son Sab Than; Lorquas Ptomel (the original Jeddak of the Tharks) was merged with his lieutenant Tars Tarkas; Mors Kajak was merged with his father Tardos Mors, making him Tardos Dejah's father rather than grandfather.

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* CompositeCharacter: Several minor characters from the book were merged into more major ones -- ones.
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Than Kosis (Jeddak of Zodanga) was merged with his son Sab Than; Than.
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Lorquas Ptomel (the original Jeddak of the Tharks) was merged with his lieutenant Tars Tarkas; Tarkas.
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Mors Kajak Kajak, Dejah's father, was merged with his own father Tardos Mors, making him Tardos a character who is Dejah's father rather than grandfather.but has her grandfather's name.
29th Nov '15 6:06:45 PM PaulA
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* SequelHook: [[spoiler:The film ends on John Carter's return to Barsoom, where he will likely have to deal with the consequences of his long absence and the Therns' intrigues, particularly since the Therns, their rivals the First Born, and the cult of Issus are the primary focus of the second book, ''The Gods of Mars''. A sequel has yet to be made however. Given that it was a bomb, it's unlikely any will.]]

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* SequelHook: [[spoiler:The film ends on John Carter's return to Barsoom, where he will likely have to deal with the consequences of his long absence and the Therns' intrigues, particularly since the Therns, their rivals the First Born, and the cult of Issus are the primary focus of the second book, ''The Gods of Mars''. A sequel has yet to be made however. Given that it was a bomb, it's unlikely any will.]]
29th Nov '15 9:38:09 AM Fireblood
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* AliensSpeakingEnglish: Averted. John can't understand Barsoomians till he's given some kind of elixir that acts as a universal translator.

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* AliensSpeakingEnglish: Averted.{{Averted}}. John can't understand Barsoomians till he's given some kind of elixir that acts as a universal translator.



* CompositeCharacter: Several minor characters from the book were merged into more major ones -- Than Kosis (Jeddak of Zodanga) was merged with his son Sab Than; Lorquas Ptomel (the original Jed of the Tharks) was merged with his lieutenant Tars Tarkas; Mors Kajak was merged with his father Tardos Mors, making Tardos Dejah's father, rather than grandfather.

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* CompositeCharacter: Several minor characters from the book were merged into more major ones -- Than Kosis (Jeddak of Zodanga) was merged with his son Sab Than; Lorquas Ptomel (the original Jed Jeddak of the Tharks) was merged with his lieutenant Tars Tarkas; Mors Kajak was merged with his father Tardos Mors, making him Tardos Dejah's father, father rather than grandfather.



* GreenAesop: Attributes Barsoom's "dying" state to industrialization, even making Zodanga into a mobile "predator city" strip mining the planet as it goes. And it discards entirely (or at least forgets to mention) the atmosphere generator that in the novels was the only thing keeping Barsoom barely inhabitable.
* GunshipRescue: The Helium airship that rescues John and co from the Thark horde working for the Therns. The friendly Tharks do this in the last battle.

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* GreenAesop: Attributes Barsoom's "dying" state is attributed to industrialization, even making Zodanga into a mobile "predator city" strip mining the planet as it goes. And it discards entirely (or at least forgets to mention) the atmosphere generator that in the novels was the only thing keeping Barsoom barely inhabitable.
* GunshipRescue: The Helium airship that rescues John and co co. from the Thark horde working for the Therns. The friendly Tharks do this in the last battle.



* IChooseToStay: At the end of the film, Carter decides he likes being John Carter of Mars better than John Carter of Earth. [[spoiler:[[DefiedTrope Moments later, he's ambushed by Matai Shang and sent back to Earth to get him out of the way]].]]

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* IChooseToStay: At the end of the film, Carter decides he likes being John Carter of Mars better than John Carter of Earth. [[spoiler:[[DefiedTrope Moments later, he's ambushed by Matai Shang and sent back to Earth to get him out of the way]]. He eventually returns.]]



* InTheBlood: The reason Sola is one of the kindest Tharks? [[spoiler:Her father, Tars Tarkas, is too, though he hides it better, presumably her mother was as well.]]

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* InTheBlood: The reason Sola is one of the kindest Tharks? [[spoiler:Her father, Tars Tarkas, is too, though he hides it better, presumably better. Presumably her mother was as well.]]



* MightyWhitey: Technically an adaptation of the first such story to use the "human among aliens" version (although in this case, his HeavyWorlder status makes the "mighty" part a bit more literal than most uses of the trope). Subverted with the actual White ''Martians'', the Therns, who are evil.

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* MightyWhitey: Technically an adaptation of the first such story to use the "human among aliens" version (although in this case, his HeavyWorlder status makes the "mighty" part a bit more literal than most uses of the trope). Subverted {{Subverted}} with the actual White ''Martians'', the Therns, who are evil.



* MsFanservice: ...and Lynn Collins wears some very skimpy outfits. She lampshades it when wearing a very ''strategically'' designed wedding dress, saying it's too vulgar for her tastes. She's pretty well covered [[DiamondsInTheBuff compared to the original novels though]].

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* MsFanservice: ...and And Lynn Collins wears some very skimpy outfits. She lampshades it when wearing a very ''strategically'' designed wedding dress, saying it's too vulgar for her tastes. She's pretty well covered [[DiamondsInTheBuff compared to with the original novels though]].



* NonMammalMammaries: Averted with the Tharks, where only a mild dimorphisism differentiates the two sexes.

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* NonMammalMammaries: Averted with the Tharks, where only a mild dimorphisism dimorphism differentiates the two sexes.



* OneHitKO: [[spoiler:Tal Hajus]] against John; justified, given his abilities. Earlier, done by John to an unlucky Thark -- accidentally, as he's not in full control of his abilities yet.

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* OneHitKO: [[spoiler:Tal Hajus]] against John; justified, [[JustifiedTrope justified]], given his abilities. Earlier, done by John to an unlucky Thark -- accidentally, as he's not in full control of his abilities yet.



* SequelHook: [[spoiler:The film ends on John Carter's return to Barsoom, where he will likely have to deal with the consequences of his long absence and the Therns' intrigues, particularly since the Therns, their rivals the First Born, and the cult of Issus are the primary focus of the second book, ''The Gods of Mars''.]]

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* SequelHook: [[spoiler:The film ends on John Carter's return to Barsoom, where he will likely have to deal with the consequences of his long absence and the Therns' intrigues, particularly since the Therns, their rivals the First Born, and the cult of Issus are the primary focus of the second book, ''The Gods of Mars''. A sequel has yet to be made however. Given that it was a bomb, it's unlikely any will.]]



* ShoutOut: The very first time we see Dejah Thoris, she's looking directly at the camera in closeup and talking about the nature of Barsoom. This may be a deliberate reference to Princess Irulan's narration at the beginning of Creator/DavidLynch's ''Film/{{Dune}}'' -- and also a parody, since Dejah Thoris turns out to be rehearsing a speech. Possibly mixed with a SelfDeprecation InJoke on the part of the movie makers, as the original opening for the movie was Dejah Thoris giving a long, drawn out lecture about what was essentially the entire history of Barsoom. It was ''painfully'' boring, and apparently when that was realized they decided to poke fun at their own pretentiousness a bit.

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* ShoutOut: The very first time we see Dejah Thoris, she's looking directly at the camera in closeup and talking about the nature of Barsoom. This may be a deliberate reference to Princess Irulan's narration at the beginning of Creator/DavidLynch's ''Film/{{Dune}}'' -- and also a parody, since Dejah Thoris turns out to be rehearsing a speech. Possibly mixed with a SelfDeprecation InJoke on the part of the movie makers, as the original opening for the movie was Dejah Thoris giving a long, drawn out drawn-out lecture about what was essentially the entire history of Barsoom. It was ''painfully'' boring, and apparently when that was realized they decided to poke fun at their own pretentiousness a bit.



* SuperStrength: Thanks to being a HeavyWorlder: John is a real powerhouse in melee combat and can break really heavy chains. However, he is incapable of truly superhuman feats of strength.

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* SuperStrength: Thanks to being a HeavyWorlder: HeavyWorlder, John is a real powerhouse in melee combat and can break really heavy chains. However, he is incapable of truly superhuman feats of strength.



* TranslatorMicrobes: John doesn't understand one bit of the Martian language until he's force-fed liquor that allows him to listen to the "Voice of Barsoom" (i.e.: Martian language).

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* TranslatorMicrobes: John doesn't understand one bit of the Martian language until he's force-fed liquor that allows him to listen to the "Voice of Barsoom" (i.e.: Martian language).



* YouCalledMeXItMustBeSerious: An interesting variant. Edgar Rice Burroughs realizes that something's up when his Uncle Jack addresses him as "Ned" in his letter instead of "Edgar". At the end, he finds out that [[spoiler:pressing the letters '''N''', '''E''', and '''D''' on the "Inter Mundos" inscription unlocks John's burial chamber.]]

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* YouCalledMeXItMustBeSerious: An interesting variant. Edgar Rice Burroughs realizes that something's up when his Uncle Jack addresses him as "Ned" in his letter instead of "Edgar"."Edgar", which he never does. At the end, he finds out that [[spoiler:pressing the letters '''N''', '''E''', and '''D''' on the "Inter Mundos" inscription unlocks John's burial chamber.]]
17th Nov '15 5:52:51 PM PaulA
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* AntiClimax: The fight between John and [[spoiler:Tal Hajus]]; the fight [[CurbStompBattle is just as short]] in the source material, though there it's Tars Tarkas who kills him.

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* AntiClimax: The fight between John and [[spoiler:Tal Hajus]]; the fight [[CurbStompBattle is just as short]] in the source material, though there it's Tars Tarkas who kills him.Hajus]].



* HorseOfADifferentColor: Martians use rhino-like eight-legged mounts (called Thoats in the books).

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* HorseOfADifferentColor: Martians use rhino-like eight-legged mounts (called Thoats in the books).mounts.



* NonMammalMammaries: Averted with the Tharks, where only a mild dimorphisism differentiates the two sexes. Played kinda straight with the Reds in that they, at least in the source novels, lay eggs too, but have normal human breasts.

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* NonMammalMammaries: Averted with the Tharks, where only a mild dimorphisism differentiates the two sexes. Played kinda straight with the Reds in that they, at least in the source novels, lay eggs too, but have normal human breasts.
17th Nov '15 5:48:19 PM PaulA
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* AdaptationExplanationExtrication:
** The book explains that all Barsoomians are mildly telepathic, with some individuals having more dramatic abilities[[note]]such as Thuvia's ability to influence banths and the ability of the Lotharians (cousins of the Therns) to generate illusionary warriors[[/note]]. This is why Carter is able to learn the Barsoomian language quite easily. The movie has Sola teach him the language telepathically, but the only explanation she gives is that she's using the "voice of Barsoom", and Barsoomian telepathy is otherwise not mentioned.
* AdaptationalBadass: In the novel, Tal Hajus is a lazy VillainousGlutton who pretty much [[OrcusOnHisThrone never moves from the throne he's parked himself on]]. Here, he's just as cruel, but much more active and in much better shape. [[spoiler:Not that it saves him from an ignominious end, though.]] See also {{Xenafication}} below.
** The White Martians themselves were a scheming race with godlike delusions, but no more immortal, advanced or formidable than the Red Martians. Here, they are SufficientlyAdvancedAliens with psychic powers to back up their AGodAmI claims.
* AdaptationalVillainy: In the book, Powell was John's best friend from his days in the Confederate Army, and he and John journeyed to Arizona together to prospect for gold. In the movie, he's a sort of a {{jerkass}} Union Army colonel who arrests John and tries to force him to help the Army fight the Apache despite his objections, though he does get better.

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* AdaptationExplanationExtrication:
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AdaptationExplanationExtrication: The book explains that all Barsoomians are mildly telepathic, with some individuals having more dramatic abilities[[note]]such as Thuvia's ability to influence banths and the ability of the Lotharians (cousins of the Therns) to generate illusionary warriors[[/note]]. This abilities; this is why Carter is able to learn the Barsoomian language quite easily. The movie has Sola teach him the language telepathically, but the only explanation she gives is that she's using the "voice of Barsoom", and Barsoomian telepathy is otherwise not mentioned.
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* AdaptationalBadass: AdaptationalBadass:
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In the novel, Tal Hajus is a lazy VillainousGlutton who pretty much [[OrcusOnHisThrone never moves from the throne he's parked himself on]]. Here, he's just as cruel, but much more active and in much better shape. [[spoiler:Not that it saves him from an ignominious end, though.]] See also {{Xenafication}} below.
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** The White Martians themselves were a scheming race with godlike delusions, but no more immortal, advanced or formidable than the Red Martians. Here, they are SufficientlyAdvancedAliens with psychic powers to back up their AGodAmI claims.
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* AdaptationalVillainy: AdaptationalVillainy:
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In the book, Powell was John's best friend from his days in the Confederate Army, and he and John journeyed to Arizona together to prospect for gold. In the movie, he's a sort of a {{jerkass}} Union Army colonel who arrests John and tries to force him to help the Army fight the Apache despite his objections, though he does get better.



* AllAnimalsAreDogs: Woola, the Tharks' guard-dog-lizard-thing. John refers to him as a dog when he finds it following him about. Woola has very doglike body language (aside from running impossibly fast speeds in a blur), and at one point makes a noise that is unmistakably a bark. [[spoiler:It's even an EvilDetectingDog -- but John FailedASpotCheck.]]
** Watch closely when John, Sola and Woola are riding the flying machine: just before they crash, Woola can be seen leaning into the wind with its ''tongue'' hanging out, exactly like a dog with its head out a car's window.
* AlternateSelf: John Carter learns he is actually a duplicate, and his Earth body was left in some sort of [[HumanPopsicle suspended animation]] while his consciousness is on Mars in a carbon copy. He compares the process to the telegraph (copies of messages, etc). [[spoiler:Becomes important in the end, as he will die on Mars if his Earth body is killed. See BatmanGambit below.]]

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* AllAnimalsAreDogs: Woola, the Tharks' guard-dog-lizard-thing. John refers to him as a dog when he finds it following him about. Woola has very doglike body language (aside from running impossibly fast speeds in a blur), and at one point makes a noise that is unmistakably a bark. [[spoiler:It's even an EvilDetectingDog -- but John FailedASpotCheck.]]
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]] Watch closely when John, Sola and Woola are riding the flying machine: just before they crash, Woola can be seen leaning into the wind with its ''tongue'' hanging out, exactly like a dog with its head out a car's window.
* AlternateSelf: John Carter learns he is actually a duplicate, and his Earth body was left in some sort of [[HumanPopsicle suspended animation]] while his consciousness is on Mars in a carbon copy. He compares the process to the telegraph (copies of messages, etc). [[spoiler:Becomes important in the end, as he will die on Mars if his Earth body is killed. See BatmanGambit below.]]



* GoodColorsEvilColors: Zodanga and Helium has, respectively, red and blue as the colour of their banners and cloaks. In traditional military usage, red denotes enemies, and blue represents allies. Nevertheless, see LightIsNotGood below. Though considering the blue blood of the Barsoomians one might expect them to use the reverse colors.

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* GoodColorsEvilColors: Zodanga and Helium has, respectively, red and blue as the colour of their banners and cloaks. In traditional military usage, red denotes enemies, and blue represents allies. Nevertheless, see LightIsNotGood below. Though considering the blue blood of the Barsoomians one might expect them to use the reverse colors.



* MultiArmedAndDangerous: The Tharks have four arms.

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* MultiArmedAndDangerous: MultiArmedAndDangerous:
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The Tharks have four arms.



* PragmaticAdaptation: The movie retains the spirit of the books, but considerably reduces what is now "incorrect" to mention from a hundred-year old story (example from ''A Princess Of Mars'' about John: "We all loved him, and our slaves fairly worshipped the ground he trod"). It's an adaption of the first book, ''A Princess of Mars'', but also fleshes things out a bit by borrowing characters and situations from ''The Gods of Mars'' and ''The Warlord of Mars''.

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* PragmaticAdaptation: PragmaticAdaptation:
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The movie retains the spirit of the books, but considerably reduces what is now "incorrect" to mention from a hundred-year old story (example from ''A Princess Of Mars'' about John: "We all loved him, and our slaves fairly worshipped the ground he trod"). trod").
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It's an adaption of the first book, ''A Princess of Mars'', but also fleshes things out a bit by borrowing characters and situations from ''The Gods of Mars'' and ''The Warlord of Mars''.
17th Nov '15 12:03:08 PM TheNerevarine
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* The White Martians themselves were a people with godlike delusions that was no more immortal, advanced or formidable than the Red Martians. Here, they are SufficientlyAdvancedAliens with psychic powers to back up their AGodAmI claims.

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* ** The White Martians themselves were a people scheming race with godlike delusions that was delusions, but no more immortal, advanced or formidable than the Red Martians. Here, they are SufficientlyAdvancedAliens with psychic powers to back up their AGodAmI claims.
17th Nov '15 12:02:10 PM TheNerevarine
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* The White Martians themselves were a people with godlike delusions that was no more immortal, advanced or formidable than the Red Martians. Here, they are SufficientlyAdvancedAliens with psychic powers to back up their AGodAmI claims.
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