History Film / GangsOfNewYork

2nd May '16 8:43:20 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* GenreBusting : Screenwriter Jay Cocks described the film as a "Western from Mars", it;s a re imagining of the past as a post-apocalyptic wasteland, with violent urban street gangs in a context with real menace and violence rather than WestSideStory, and a focus and interest on UrbanSegregation that would make sociologists and anthropologists proud. Scorsese indeed hoped that the film would launch a new genre to replace TheWestern, believing that stories in this landscape will have increasing resonance in the years to come.

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* GenreBusting : GenreBusting: Screenwriter Jay Cocks described the film as a "Western from Mars", it;s it's a re imagining re-imagining of the past as a post-apocalyptic wasteland, with violent urban street gangs in a context with real menace and violence rather than WestSideStory, and a focus and interest on UrbanSegregation that would make sociologists and anthropologists proud. Scorsese indeed hoped that the film would launch a new genre to replace TheWestern, believing that stories in this landscape will have increasing resonance in the years to come.
11th Apr '16 8:08:27 AM Pallo
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-->'''Bill:''' I could spare ten of you much easier than I could spare him.

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-->'''Bill:''' I could spare ten half a dozen of you much easier than I could spare him.
6th Apr '16 7:40:50 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* CurbstompBattle: Angry rioters and gangsters armed with whatever was lying around against trained infantry with rifles backed by artillery? The army takes at most''one'' onscreen casualty vs. the dozens if not hundreds of people buried in unmarked graves.

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* CurbstompBattle: Angry rioters and gangsters armed with whatever was lying around against trained infantry with rifles backed by artillery? The army takes at most''one'' most ''one'' onscreen casualty vs. the dozens if not hundreds of people buried in unmarked graves.



* DoesntLikeGuns - Bill the Butcher doesn't like to use guns when he fights, preferring to stick to [[KnifeNut meat cleavers and butcher's knives]], because he follows a strict code of honor. His arch-rival Priest Vallon held the same belief, so when Bill's Natives faced off against Vallon's Dead Rabbits the fight included just about every weapon ''but'' guns. This also goes for later in the movie when young Amsterdam Vallon and the resurrected Dead Rabbits negotiate a duel with Bill's gang, and when agreeing on what weapons will be allowed, Amsterdam specifies that there will be no pistols, to which Bill replies "Good boy."
** SecretTestOfCharacter: Bill actually suggests pistols to him, prompting Amsterdam to refuse them.
* TheDragon: "Happy Jack" Mulraney to Bill

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* DoesntLikeGuns - DoesntLikeGuns: Bill the Butcher doesn't like to use guns when he fights, preferring to stick to [[KnifeNut meat cleavers and butcher's knives]], because he follows a strict code of honor. His arch-rival Priest Vallon held the same belief, so when Bill's Natives faced off against Vallon's Dead Rabbits the fight included just about every weapon ''but'' guns. This also goes for later in the movie when young Amsterdam Vallon and the resurrected Dead Rabbits negotiate a duel with Bill's gang, and when agreeing on what weapons will be allowed, Amsterdam specifies that there will be no pistols, to which Bill replies "Good boy."
** SecretTestOfCharacter: Bill actually suggests pistols to him, prompting Amsterdam to refuse them.
" Then the Union infantry spoil everything with their rifles and artillery.
* TheDragon: "Happy Jack" Mulraney to BillBill.



* EvenEvilHasStandards: Bill absolutely despises liars, cheats, backstabbers and dishonourable behaviour in general.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Bill absolutely despises liars, cheats, backstabbers and dishonourable behaviour dishonorable behavior in general.



* FamousLastWords: "Thank God, I die a true American." Bill the Butcher's last words, both in RealLife and in the film.[[note]]Though their fictional and real life deaths do not mirror each other precisely; for one, William Poole, the Butcher's insperation, died eight years earlier. [[/note]]
* FinalBattle: Lampshaded.
* FloatingHeadSyndrome: [[MisplacedNamesPoster With jumbled names to boot!]] I never knew that Cameron Diaz had such a cool moustache!

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* FamousLastWords: "Thank God, I die a true American." Bill the Butcher's last words, both in RealLife and in the film.[[note]]Though their fictional and real life deaths do not mirror each other precisely; for one, William Poole, the Butcher's insperation, inspiration, died eight years earlier. [[/note]]
* FinalBattle: Lampshaded.
Lampshaded and subverted. Just as Bill and Amsterdam are finally about to throw down, suddenly loud thunder sounds off in the distance as everyone stands around trying to figure out what that noise was, followed by explosions. Then the army comes in and starts massacring everyone.
* FloatingHeadSyndrome: [[MisplacedNamesPoster With jumbled names to boot!]] I never knew that Cameron Diaz had such a cool moustache!mustache!



* {{Gangsterland}}: Everybody in the Five Points is either in one of the gangs or has been bribed into doing the gangs' bidding. Even priests, missionaries, politicians and rich people are involved wit them.

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* {{Gangsterland}}: Everybody in the Five Points is either in one of the gangs or has been bribed into doing the gangs' bidding. Even priests, missionaries, politicians and rich people are involved wit with them.



* GenreBusting : Screenwriter Jay Cocks described the film as a "Western from Mars", its a reimagination of the past as a post-apocalyptic wasteland, with violent urban street gangs in a context with real menace and violence rather than WestSideStory, and a focus and interest on UrbanSegregation that would make sociologists and anthropologists proud. Scorsese indeed hoped that the film would launch a new genre to replace TheWestern, believing that stories in this landscape will have increasing resonance in the years to come.

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* GenreBusting : Screenwriter Jay Cocks described the film as a "Western from Mars", its it;s a reimagination re imagining of the past as a post-apocalyptic wasteland, with violent urban street gangs in a context with real menace and violence rather than WestSideStory, and a focus and interest on UrbanSegregation that would make sociologists and anthropologists proud. Scorsese indeed hoped that the film would launch a new genre to replace TheWestern, believing that stories in this landscape will have increasing resonance in the years to come.



-->'''Bill:''' Look at that. What in Christ's name is that? Rythms of the [[DarkestAfrica dark continent]], thrown into the kettle with an [[{{Oireland}} irish shindig]]. Stir it around a few times, pour it out as a fine American mess. A [[NWordPrivileges jig]] doing a jig.

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-->'''Bill:''' Look at that. What in Christ's name is that? Rythms Rhythms of the [[DarkestAfrica dark continent]], thrown into the kettle with an [[{{Oireland}} irish Irish shindig]]. Stir it around a few times, pour it out as a fine American mess. A [[NWordPrivileges jig]] doing a jig.



* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: His last name is "Cutting." And everyone refers to him as "The Butcher."

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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: His Bill's last name is "Cutting." And everyone refers to him as "The Butcher."



* OrphansPlotTrinket: Priest Vallon's shaving razor. It turns out Monk went rifling through Vallon's effects [[spoiler:[[ItMayHelpYouOnYourQuest to retrieve it for]]]] the orphaned Vallon years later.

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* OrphansPlotTrinket: Priest Vallon's shaving razor. It turns out Monk went rifling through Vallon's effects [[spoiler:[[ItMayHelpYouOnYourQuest [[ItMayHelpYouOnYourQuest to retrieve it for]]]] for]] the orphaned Vallon years later.


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* SecretTestOfCharacter: Bill actually suggests pistols to him, for the FinalBattle prompting Amsterdam to refuse them.
6th Apr '16 7:02:56 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* TheCavalry: Technically, the infanty, but once the riot breaks out, there's a montage of violent scenes and telegraph reports about how the police are totally unable to contain the riot, the rioters have taken control of the city, all the police have been put out of action or are unaccounted for, there's no hope, and then, suddenly, "From 16th, the 7th regiment has arrived, foot of Canal Street. They are on their way to Broadway." There's still a lot of fighting before the mob is put down, but you know the tide has turned.

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* TheCavalry: Technically, the infanty, infantry, but once the riot breaks out, there's a montage of violent scenes and telegraph reports about how the police are totally unable to contain the riot, the rioters have taken control of the city, all the police have been put out of action or are unaccounted for, there's no hope, and then, suddenly, "From 16th, the 7th regiment has arrived, foot of Canal Street. They are on their way to Broadway." There's still a lot of fighting before the mob is put down, but you know the tide has turned.



* CostumePorn: The upper class are only in it for twenty minutes, yet the lower class clothes and all their pretty colours are on full display for most of the time.

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* CostumePorn: The upper class are only in it for twenty minutes, yet the lower class clothes and all their pretty colours colors are on full display for most of the time.



* CultureClash: Particularly between "natives" and immigrants, mixed with racism, UrbanSegregation, poverty

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* CultureClash: Particularly between "natives" and immigrants, mixed with racism, UrbanSegregation, povertyand poverty.
* CurbstompBattle: Angry rioters and gangsters armed with whatever was lying around against trained infantry with rifles backed by artillery? The army takes at most''one'' onscreen casualty vs. the dozens if not hundreds of people buried in unmarked graves.



* HonorBeforeReason: This is pretty much Johnny's undoing. [[spoiler:He tips Bill off that Amsterdam plans to murder him, and Amsterdam is generous enough to prove Johnny right that same evening. After the assassination attempt failed, Johnny ought to have been sitting pretty favorably in Bill's eye. But then Johnny's guilty conscience impels him to rejoin Amsterdam's crew and, further, to confess his betrayal. Amsterdam turns him out on his ear, and when Bill's men sieze Johnny, the Butcher evidently decides his loyalty isn't worth too much. If Johnny had just stuck with Bill after ratting Amsterdam out, he might've been a lot less sympathetic, but he'd also have been a lot less dead.]]

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* HonorBeforeReason: This is pretty much Johnny's undoing. [[spoiler:He tips Bill off that Amsterdam plans to murder him, and Amsterdam is generous enough to prove Johnny right that same evening. After the assassination attempt failed, Johnny ought to have been sitting pretty favorably in Bill's eye. But then Johnny's guilty conscience impels him to rejoin Amsterdam's crew and, further, to confess his betrayal. Amsterdam turns him out on his ear, and when Bill's men sieze seize Johnny, the Butcher evidently decides his loyalty isn't worth too much. If Johnny had just stuck with Bill after ratting Amsterdam out, he might've been a lot less sympathetic, but he'd also have been a lot less dead.]]



** Most of the Bill's hatred for the Irish is hilarious considering Day-Lewis himself is a naturalised Irish Citizen.

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** Most of the Bill's hatred for the Irish is hilarious considering Day-Lewis himself is a naturalised naturalized Irish Citizen.



* KnifeThrowingAct: Bill stages an impropmtu one with Jenny as the target.

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* KnifeThrowingAct: Bill stages an impropmtu impromptu one with Jenny as the target.



** Likewise, Mr. Schermerhorn and Mr. Greeley

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** Likewise, Mr. Schermerhorn and Mr. GreeleyGreeley.



* {{Revenge}}
* TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized: The Draft Riots

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* {{Revenge}}
{{Revenge}}: Amsterdam wants to kill Bill for killing his father.
* TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized: The Draft RiotsRiots, especially when they start attacking people in rich clothes and lynching black people.



* SceneryGorn

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* SceneryGornSceneryGorn: New York, the Five Points especially, circa the American Civil War ain't exactly all that pretty. Some would argue that the naval bombing at the end of the film actually improved the property value.
2nd Mar '16 9:04:45 AM VoxAquila
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: Both Amsterdam's father and [[spoiler:Bill]] serenely accept their defeats, even honored to be killed by a WorthyOpponent.
7th Feb '16 1:08:41 PM AnotherGuy
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* RuleOfSymbolism: [=McGloin=]'s death at the hands of the Union Army - he was both a Dead Rabbit and a Nativist.
7th Feb '16 1:00:48 PM AnotherGuy
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** Happy Jack, who sorts of becomes TheBrute
7th Feb '16 12:58:20 PM AnotherGuy
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* AchievementInIgnorance: Monk is aghast and surprised at Amsterdam rising so high in Bill's confidence without knowing what he's ''really'' doing.
-->'''Monk:''' If you're not strong, you'd better be smart. Now I don't know if you're being too clever or too dumb, but whichever it is just remember this much. For all his faults, your father was a man who loved his people.
6th Feb '16 12:16:45 PM Gillimer
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** The nativist movement was already in decline by 1856, when the "Know-Nothings" split over slavery. The scene of the Irish under Bishop Hughes facing down the nativists actually is drawn from the anti-Catholic riots of 1844, when Hughes threatened to "turn New York into Moscow" if any churches there were attacked.
17th Sep '15 1:44:08 PM Will
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** Jenny's last name is Aberdeen.
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