History Film / FirstStrike

5th Jun '16 3:57:09 AM BNSF1995
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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: Military historians generally agree that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of a nuclear strike and/or conventional invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.\\

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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: Military historians generally agree that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Europe; the Warsaw Pact's superior conventional numbers would not be an issue to the NATO invaders, as it is well-known that Soviet equipment was often defective, plagued by maintenance issues and malfunctions, making the Soviet Army a "paper tiger". Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, nor the NATO arsenal shared by Belgium, Italy, Greece, Canada, and West Germany, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, with and would most likely come back to haunt them in the form of a decapitation strike on Moscow that would certainly destroy or severly cripple the Soviet government and liberate the United States, not to mention the high probability of a nuclear strike and/or conventional invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.\\
5th Jun '16 3:43:52 AM BNSF1995
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* BittersweetEnding: The Soviets destroy all of the United States' nuclear forces before they could strike, and the president orders all forces to stand down, effectively surrendering to the Soviets. Surprisingly, though, only eight million are killed because the strike was completely targeted at military targets (this isn't even 25% of America's population circa 1979), but the survivors will certainly suffer under Soviet tyranny and oppression.

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* BittersweetEnding: The Soviets destroy all of the United States' nuclear forces before they could strike, and the president orders all forces to stand down, effectively surrendering to the Soviets. Surprisingly, though, only eight million are killed because the strike was completely targeted at military targets (this isn't even 25% of America's population circa 1979), but the survivors will certainly suffer under Soviet tyranny and oppression.oppression, and undoubtedly, scores of American civilians will die of starvation and radiation poisoning, or be rounded up and executed by the Soviets to allow American land to be occupied by their own citizens.
21st May '16 1:54:31 AM BNSF1995
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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: Military historians generally agree that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of an invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.\\

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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: Military historians generally agree that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of an a nuclear strike and/or conventional invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.\\



* ChuckYeager: Major General Reinhardt of SAC Airborne Command Post never shows any sense of distress, even as reports come in that the Soviets are wiping U.S. strategic forces off the map.

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* ChuckYeager: Major General Reinhardt of SAC Airborne Command Post never shows any sense of distress, even as reports come in that the Soviets are wiping U.S. strategic forces off the map.map and it becomes clear the Soviet Union is going to win the war and execute him and many other American military officials.



** This effectively means that the Soviets have won what many assumed was an unwinnable war, and they will get away with annexing the United States, which will undoubtedly bring much suffering and tyranny to the American people, especially if the Soviets view the Americans the same way Hitler viewed the Jews. Worse still is that America's NATO allies can do nothing or risk destruction themselves, though the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960 could be a HopeSpot, as China could align itself with NATO to launch a war against the Soviet Union and liberate the United States.

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** This effectively means that the Soviets have won what many assumed was an unwinnable war, and they will get away with annexing the United States, which will undoubtedly bring much suffering and tyranny death to the American people, especially if the Soviets view the Americans the same way Hitler viewed the Jews. Worse still is that America's NATO allies can do nothing or risk destruction themselves, though the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960 could be a HopeSpot, as China could align itself with NATO to launch a war against the Soviet Union and liberate the United States.



** [=ICBMs=] were the only arm of strategic forces that had both the speed and accuracy to threaten "hard" (well-protected) targets, but as stationary silos, were highly vulnerable to attacks themselves.
** Bombers had mobility and the ability to accurately deliver nuclear weapons, but wouldn't be fast enough to hit time-urgent military targets. The types of nuclear bombers used by the USAF and the location of their bases in 1979 also made them highly vulnerable to submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

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** [=ICBMs=] were the only arm of strategic forces that had both the speed and accuracy to threaten "hard" (well-protected) targets, but as stationary silos, were highly vulnerable to attacks themselves.
themselves. The Soviets rectified this somewhat by having a good portion of their ICBMs launched by truck or train, a practice that is continued by modern Russia.
** Bombers had mobility and the ability to accurately deliver nuclear weapons, but wouldn't be fast enough to hit time-urgent military targets. The types of nuclear bombers used by the USAF and the location of their bases in 1979 also made them highly vulnerable to submarine-launched ballistic missiles. Also an issue for bombers were anti-air weaponry and faster, more maneuverable fighter jets, as well as the fact that Russian broadcast signals could be quickly switched to confuse bomber crews using radio signals for navigation (the basic premise of the American CONELRAD system in use between 1951 and 1963).
15th May '16 11:00:33 PM TrevMUN
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For the Air Force's purposes, however, all of this was an acceptable break from reality. After all, part of the point of this documentary was to convince politicians to fund the service's strategic projects.

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For the Air Force's purposes, however, all of this was an acceptable break from reality. After all, part of the point of this documentary was to convince politicians policymakers to fund the service's strategic projects.



9 minutes later, the President orders all surviving U.S. forces to cease fire.''\\
\\This effectively means that the Soviets have won what many assumed was an unwinnable war, and they will get away with annexing the United States, which will undoubtedly bring much suffering and tyranny to the American people, especially if the Soviets view the Americans the same way Hitler viewed the Jews. Worse still is that America's NATO allies can do nothing or risk destruction themselves, though the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960 could be a HopeSpot, as China could align itself with NATO to launch a war against the Soviet Union and liberate the United States.

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9 minutes later, the President orders all surviving U.S. forces to cease fire.''\\
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effectively means that the Soviets have won what many assumed was an unwinnable war, and they will get away with annexing the United States, which will undoubtedly bring much suffering and tyranny to the American people, especially if the Soviets view the Americans the same way Hitler viewed the Jews. Worse still is that America's NATO allies can do nothing or risk destruction themselves, though the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960 could be a HopeSpot, as China could align itself with NATO to launch a war against the Soviet Union and liberate the United States.
15th May '16 10:58:25 PM TrevMUN
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* FighterLaunchingsequence: Ever wondered if a bomber squadron could scramble like a fighter squadron? Wonder no more! [[SubvertedTrope Too bad they get nuked in the opening dramatization.]]
** A traditional FighterLaunchingSequence is shown when the documentary discusses ways to defend against the Soviet Union's then-new bombers.

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* FighterLaunchingsequence: FighterLaunchingSequence: Ever wondered if a bomber squadron could scramble like a fighter squadron? Wonder no more! [[SubvertedTrope Too bad they get nuked in the opening dramatization.]]
** A traditional FighterLaunchingSequence Fighter Launching Sequence is shown when the documentary discusses ways to defend against the Soviet Union's then-new bombers.
15th May '16 11:19:46 AM TrevMUN
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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: Military historians generally agree that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of an invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.//
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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: Military historians generally agree that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of an invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.//
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* [[FighterLaunchingsequence Bomber Launching Sequence]]: Ever wondered if a bomber squadron could scramble like a fighter squadron? Wonder no more! [[SubvertedTrope Too bad they get nuked in the opening dramatization.]]
** A traditional FighterLaunchingSequence is shown when the documentary discusses ways to defend against the Soviet Union's then-new bombers.


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* FighterLaunchingsequence: Ever wondered if a bomber squadron could scramble like a fighter squadron? Wonder no more! [[SubvertedTrope Too bad they get nuked in the opening dramatization.]]
** A traditional FighterLaunchingSequence is shown when the documentary discusses ways to defend against the Soviet Union's then-new bombers.
15th May '16 11:18:44 AM TrevMUN
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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: It is generally agreed upon that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of an invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.

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* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: It is Military historians generally agreed upon agree that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of an invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.//
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For the Air Force's purposes, however, all of this was an acceptable break from reality. After all, part of the point of this documentary was to convince politicians to fund the service's strategic projects.



* {{Narrator}}: Creator/MartinSheen. ''Martin Sheen'', people.

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* {{Narrator}}: Creator/MartinSheen. ''Martin Sheen'', ''[[ActualPacifist Martin Sheen]]'', people.



* [[WhackAMonster Whack A Missile]]: The plans for the MX ICBM (later called the LGM-118 Peacekeeper) was a rare non-game example of the trope. To strike a balance between having easily viewable missiles for the purpose of strategic arms reduction and the ability to conceal the missiles so that they wouldn't be easy targets for Soviet nukes, each missile was planned to have multiple shelters and launch sites, up to ''23'', in which they would be shuffled around randomly via underground railways. This would force the Soviets to commit ''much'' more of their nuclear arsenal just to destroy America's own.

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* [[WhackAMonster Whack A Missile]]: WhackAMonster: The plans for the MX ICBM (later called the LGM-118 Peacekeeper) was a rare non-game example of the trope. To strike a balance between having easily viewable missiles for the purpose of strategic arms reduction and the ability to conceal the missiles so that they wouldn't be easy targets for Soviet nukes, each missile was planned to have multiple shelters and launch sites, up to ''23'', in which they would be shuffled around randomly via underground railways. This would force the Soviets to commit ''much'' more of their nuclear arsenal just to destroy America's own.
13th May '16 1:36:04 AM BNSF1995
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9 minutes later, the President orders all surviving U.S. forces to cease fire.''
This effectively means that the Soviets have won what many assumed was an unwinnable war, and they will get away with annexing the United States. Worse still is that America's NATO allies can do nothing or risk destruction themselves.

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9 minutes later, the President orders all surviving U.S. forces to cease fire.''
This
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effectively means that the Soviets have won what many assumed was an unwinnable war, and they will get away with annexing the United States. States, which will undoubtedly bring much suffering and tyranny to the American people, especially if the Soviets view the Americans the same way Hitler viewed the Jews. Worse still is that America's NATO allies can do nothing or risk destruction themselves.themselves, though the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960 could be a HopeSpot, as China could align itself with NATO to launch a war against the Soviet Union and liberate the United States.
24th Mar '16 1:16:56 PM eroock
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->--OpeningNarration

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->--OpeningNarration
-->-- OpeningMonologue



* [[WhackAMonster Whack A Missile]]: The plans for the MX ICBM (later called the LGM-118 Peacekeeper) was a rare non-game example of the trope. To strike a balance between having easily viewable missiles for the purpose of strategic arms reduction and the ability to conceal the missiles so that they wouldn't be easy targets for Soviet nukes, each missile was planned to have multiple shelters and launch sites, up to ''23'', in which they would be shuffled around randomly via underground railways. This would force the Soviets to commit ''much'' more of their nuclear arsenal just to destroy America's own.

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* [[WhackAMonster Whack A Missile]]: The plans for the MX ICBM (later called the LGM-118 Peacekeeper) was a rare non-game example of the trope. To strike a balance between having easily viewable missiles for the purpose of strategic arms reduction and the ability to conceal the missiles so that they wouldn't be easy targets for Soviet nukes, each missile was planned to have multiple shelters and launch sites, up to ''23'', in which they would be shuffled around randomly via underground railways. This would force the Soviets to commit ''much'' more of their nuclear arsenal just to destroy America's own.
25th Oct '15 11:43:33 PM BNSF1995
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Added DiffLines:

* AcceptableBreaksFromReality: It is generally agreed upon that the scenario depicted in the first part of the film is extremely unrealistic. For one, the Soviet Navy would never have been able to get to the America coast undetected, mainly because Soviet submarine technology in 1979 could never breach American sonar detection. Also, the president surrenders a bit too easily; in real-life, the Soviet strike would have been met by the full mobilization of all conventional NATO forces in Europe. Also not taken into account are the British and French nuclear arsenals, which the Soviets didn't bother dealing with, not to mention the high probability of an invasion from China, which is a whole other can of worms.
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