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* CombatSadomasochist: [[spoiler: Machine claims to be sexually aroused by violence when Tom confronts him.]]
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* AntiClimacticUnmasking: [[TheDragon Machine]] is nothing more than a bald guy who does it ForTheEvulz. He even has a speech about it.
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* AntiClimacticUnmasking: [[TheDragon [[spoiler: [[PsychoForHire Machine]] is nothing more than a bald guy who does it ForTheEvulz. commits atrocities [[ForTheEvulz with pleasure]]. He even has a speech about it.points out that he was always an unpleasant human being.]]
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* MadArtist: Dino Velvet has his men do horrible things in the name of art.
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* MadArtist: Dino Velvet has his men do horrible things in the name of art.art, [[spoiler: namely, having a young woman raped and murdered on film.]]
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Not to be confused with ''Film/EightMile''.
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Not to be confused with ''Film/EightMile''.
''Film/EightMile'' or ''{{Film/Super 8}}''.
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* AxCrazy KnifeNut: Machine, the man who committed the murder on the 8mm tape. Wears a BDSM mask and likes to murder people with a long knife.
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* AxCrazy KnifeNut: Machine, the man who committed the AxCrazy: Machine may just be a henchman to Dino Velvet, but he enjoys doing whatever he's commissioned to do, be it murder on the 8mm tape. Wears a BDSM mask and likes to murder people with a long knife.or otherwise.
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* HateSink: Pretty much all persons involved in the snuff film's creation. Between Mr. Christian and Machine's {{For The Evulz}} attitude towards the project, Dino Velvet's pretentious and hammy demeanour regarding his work, Eddie Poole's {{Politically Incorrect Villain}} comments and Longdale's SmugSnake greedy nature, there is little to no EvilIsCool to be found.
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* HateSink: Pretty much all persons involved in the snuff film's creation. Between Mr. Christian and Machine's {{For The Evulz}} attitude [[ForTheEvulz attitude]] towards the project, Dino Velvet's pretentious and hammy demeanour regarding his work, Eddie Poole's {{Politically Incorrect Villain}} [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain misogynistic]] comments and Longdale's SmugSnake greedy {{greed}}y nature, there is little to no EvilIsCool to be found.
* KnifeNut: It's Machine's weapon of choice.
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* MalevolentMaskedMen: Machine is a tremendous one.
* MoodWhiplash: Welles and Max finally stumble upon a purported snuff tape which shows hardcore sex followed by a grisly, real-looking murder of the victim. Horrified, they skip forward... and find that the slasher's next soon-to-be 'victim' is the same woman. Cue relieved, if disappointed groaning.
* MysteriousWatcher: [[spoiler:He turns out to be the attorney Daniel Longdale, who commissioned the snuff film for Mr Christian. While it's odd that surveillance expert Welles doesn't notice him, Longdale has the advantage in that Welles is reporting everything he does back to his client, in order to show how hard he's working on the case.]]
* MoodWhiplash: Welles and Max finally stumble upon a purported snuff tape which shows hardcore sex followed by a grisly, real-looking murder of the victim. Horrified, they skip forward... and find that the slasher's next soon-to-be 'victim' is the same woman. Cue relieved, if disappointed groaning.
* MysteriousWatcher: [[spoiler:He turns out to be the attorney Daniel Longdale, who commissioned the snuff film for Mr Christian. While it's odd that surveillance expert Welles doesn't notice him, Longdale has the advantage in that Welles is reporting everything he does back to his client, in order to show how hard he's working on the case.]]
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* MalevolentMaskedMen: Machine is wears a tremendous one.
gimp mask in his films, or whenever he's about to kill someone.
* MoodWhiplash: Welles and Max finally stumble upon a purported snuff tape which shows hardcore sex followed by a grisly, real-looking murder of the victim. Horrified, they skip forward... and find that the slasher's next soon-to-be'victim' "victim" is the same woman. Cue relieved, if disappointed groaning.
* MysteriousWatcher: [[spoiler:He turns out to be the attorney Daniel Longdale, who commissioned the snuff film forMr Mr. Christian. While it's odd that surveillance expert Welles doesn't notice him, Longdale has the advantage in that Welles is reporting everything he does back to his client, in order to show how hard he's working on the case.]]
* MoodWhiplash: Welles and Max finally stumble upon a purported snuff tape which shows hardcore sex followed by a grisly, real-looking murder of the victim. Horrified, they skip forward... and find that the slasher's next soon-to-be
* MysteriousWatcher: [[spoiler:He turns out to be the attorney Daniel Longdale, who commissioned the snuff film for
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* MadArtist: Dino Velvet has his men do horrible things in the name of art.
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* BrainBleach:
--> '''Max California''': There are some things that you see, and you can't unsee them. Know what I mean?
--> '''Max California''': There are some things that you see, and you can't unsee them. Know what I mean?
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* {{Hate Sink}}: Pretty much all persons involved in the snuff film's creation. Between Mr. Christian and Machine's {{For The Evulz}} attitude towards the project, Dino Velvet's pretentious and hammy demeanour regarding his work, Eddie Poole's {{Politically Incorrect Villain}} comments and Longdale's SmugSnake greedy nature, there is little to no EvilIsCool to be found.
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* {{Hate Sink}}: HateSink: Pretty much all persons involved in the snuff film's creation. Between Mr. Christian and Machine's {{For The Evulz}} attitude towards the project, Dino Velvet's pretentious and hammy demeanour regarding his work, Eddie Poole's {{Politically Incorrect Villain}} comments and Longdale's SmugSnake greedy nature, there is little to no EvilIsCool to be found.
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* NightmareFuelStationAttendant: Machine.
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* NightmareFuelStationAttendant: Machine.Machine, the cherub-faced sadist and PsychoForHire [[spoiler:who was responsible for the murder of Mary Anne Matthews. His anti-MotiveRant is horrifying and cements him as a pure evil bastard.]]
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* {{Politically Incorrect Villain}}: Eddie Poole, who is not only misogynistic but homophobic.
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* {{Politically Incorrect Villain}}: PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Eddie Poole, who is not only misogynistic but homophobic.
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** SerialKiller: He also might be this.
-->'''Machine:''' You know the best part of killing '''someone?''' The look on '''their''' face. It's that look. Not when '''they're''' threatened. Not when you hurt '''them.''' Not even when '''they''' see the knife. It's when '''they''' feel the knife go in. That's it. It's surprise. '''They''' just can't believe it's really happening to '''them.''' She had that look, the girl, when she knew it wasn't just porno.
* PsychopathicManChild: Machine is a sadistic pervert who kills people on film. He also still lives with his mom despite being a middle-aged guy.
-->'''Machine:''' You know the best part of killing '''someone?''' The look on '''their''' face. It's that look. Not when '''they're''' threatened. Not when you hurt '''them.''' Not even when '''they''' see the knife. It's when '''they''' feel the knife go in. That's it. It's surprise. '''They''' just can't believe it's really happening to '''them.''' She had that look, the girl, when she knew it wasn't just porno.
* PsychopathicManChild: Machine is a sadistic pervert who kills people on film. He also still lives with his mom despite being a middle-aged guy.
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-->'''Machine:''' You know the best part of killing '''someone?''' The look on '''their''' face. It's that look. Not when '''they're''' threatened. Not when you hurt '''them.''' Not even when '''they''' see the knife. It's when '''they''' feel the knife go in. That's it. It's surprise. '''They''' just can't believe it's really happening to '''them.''' She had that look, the girl, when she knew it wasn't just porno.
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-->'''Machine''': "Mommy didn't beat me. Daddy didn't rape me. I'm this way ''because I am''."
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-->'''Machine''': "Mommy didn't beat me. Daddy didn't rape me. I'm this way ''because I am''.am what I am and that's all there is to it."
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* {{Hate Sink}}: Pretty much all persons involved in the snuff film's creation. Between Mr. Christian and Machine's {{For The Evulz}} attitude towards the project, Dino Velvet's pretentious and hammy demeanour regarding his work, Eddie Poole's {{Politically Incorrect Villain}} comments and Longdale's SmugSnake greedy nature, there is little to no EvilIsCool to be found.
* {{Politically Incorrect Villain}}: Eddie Poole, who is not only misogynistic but homophobic.
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* SmugSnake: [[spoiler: Daniel Longdale.]]
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* SmugSnake: [[spoiler: Daniel Longdale.Longdale and Eddie Poole.]]
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* BaldOfEvil: Machine.
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* BaldOfEvil: Machine.[[spoiler:Underneath the mask, Machine is a pudgy-faced bald man]].
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: When Tom first investigates the underground porn rings for snuff films he is driven out at gunpoint for daring to ask for it. Others into extreme bondage rape and sell kiddy porn are likewise angry at being asked about it. It takes a real sicko to find one, and even then it's fake (simulated, no one dies.)
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: EvenEvilHasStandards:
** When Tom first investigates the underground porn rings for snuff films he is driven out at gunpoint for daring to ask for it. Others into extreme bondage rape and sell kiddy porn are likewise angry at being asked about it. It takes a real sicko to find one, and even then it's fake (simulated, no one dies.))
** Downplayed with Poole. He admits that he was disgusted by the murder he was forced to partake in, but only because he found it "gross" and not because he has any moral constraints.
** When Tom first investigates the underground porn rings for snuff films he is driven out at gunpoint for daring to ask for it. Others into extreme bondage rape and sell kiddy porn are likewise angry at being asked about it. It takes a real sicko to find one, and even then it's fake (simulated, no one dies.
** Downplayed with Poole. He admits that he was disgusted by the murder he was forced to partake in, but only because he found it "gross" and not because he has any moral constraints.
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* HeManWomanHater: Eddie Poole.Poole is a revolting, misogynistic porn producer, and sees Mary Ann as nothing but a useless whore.
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** SerialKiller: He also might be this.
-->'''Machine:''' You know the best part of killing '''someone?''' The look on '''their''' face. It's that look. Not when '''they're''' threatened. Not when you hurt '''them.''' Not even when '''they''' see the knife. It's when '''they''' feel the knife go in. That's it. It's surprise. '''They''' just can't believe it's really happening to '''them.''' She had that look, the girl, when she knew it wasn't just porno.
-->'''Machine:''' You know the best part of killing '''someone?''' The look on '''their''' face. It's that look. Not when '''they're''' threatened. Not when you hurt '''them.''' Not even when '''they''' see the knife. It's when '''they''' feel the knife go in. That's it. It's surprise. '''They''' just can't believe it's really happening to '''them.''' She had that look, the girl, when she knew it wasn't just porno.
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* OhCrap: Eddie Poole barely has time to scream [[BigNo "No!"]] when he realizes that Welles is about to ''beat him to death'' with his gun.
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* OhCrap: Eddie Poole barely has time to scream [[BigNo "No!"]] when he realizes that Welles is about to ''beat [[spoiler:''beat him to death'' with his gun.]]
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* PunchClockVillain: While he's by no means sympathetic, Eddie Poole only participated in the film for the money.
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* PsychoForHire: Machine
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* PsychoForHire: MachineMachine "performs" in Dino Velvet's [[SnuffFilm films]] as a way to exercise his murderous urges towards women.
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* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: [[spoiler: Machine is revealed to be a psychopath mama's boy who only loves his mother]].
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* EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas: [[spoiler: Machine is revealed to be a psychopath mama's boy who Subverted with Machine. He only loves cares about his mother]]. mother in order to keep up his MaskOfSanity.]]
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* SnuffFilm: Welles can find no proof that snuff films are anything other than an UrbanLegend. [[spoiler:It turned out that Mr Christian discovered this, too, so he hired Velvet to create one.]]
** Actually, it was Longsdale who came to that conclusion and improvised by contracting Velvet to make one. The movie strongly indicated that he was merely an interested purchaser.
** Actually, it was Longsdale who came to that conclusion and improvised by contracting Velvet to make one. The movie strongly indicated that he was merely an interested purchaser.
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* SnuffFilm: Welles can find no proof that snuff films are anything other than an UrbanLegend. [[spoiler:It turned out that Mr Christian Longsdale discovered this, too, so he hired Velvet to create one.]]
** Actually, it was Longsdale who came to that conclusion and improvised by contracting Velvet to make one. The movie strongly indicated that he was merely an interested purchaser.]]
** Actually, it was Longsdale who came to that conclusion and improvised by contracting Velvet to make one. The movie strongly indicated that he was merely an interested purchaser.
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* ForTheEvulz: Machine's only reasons to kill and butcher women in Dino Velvet's movies.
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* ForTheEvulz: ForTheEvulz:
** Machine's only reasons to kill and butcher women in Dino Velvet's movies.
** Machine's only reasons to kill and butcher women in Dino Velvet's movies.
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* LargeHam: Creator/PeterStormare as Dino Velvet. Seems like he had a lot fun playing him.
** Also NicolasCage in at least one scene.
** Also NicolasCage in at least one scene.
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* LargeHam: LargeHam:
** Creator/PeterStormare as Dino Velvet. Seems like he had a lot fun playing him.
**Also NicolasCage Creator/NicolasCage in at least one scene.
** Creator/PeterStormare as Dino Velvet. Seems like he had a lot fun playing him.
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PrivateDetective Tom Welles (Creator/NicolasCage) is hired by wealthy widow Mrs. Christian, who has discovered a reel of 8mm film in her late husband's safe that depicts what appears to be the brutal murder of a teenage girl by a hulking man in a mask. Mrs. Christian wants Welles to find out whether the incident in the film is real.
It was directed by Creator/JoelSchumacher. A direct-to-video "sequel" called ''[[TitleByNumber 8mm 2]]''. [[InNameOnly It has no connection whatsoever to the original]].
It was directed by Creator/JoelSchumacher. A direct-to-video "sequel" called ''[[TitleByNumber 8mm 2]]''. [[InNameOnly It has no connection whatsoever to the original]].
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A 1999 mystery-thriller film directed by Creator/JoelSchumacher and starring Creator/NicolasCage, with a supporting cast that includes Creator/JoaquinPhoenix, Creator/JamesGandolfini, and Creator/PeterStormare.
PrivateDetective Tom Welles(Creator/NicolasCage) (Cage) is hired by wealthy widow Mrs. Christian, who has discovered a reel of 8mm film in her late husband's safe that depicts what appears to be the brutal murder of a teenage girl by a hulking man in a mask. Mrs. Christian wants Welles to find out whether the incident in the film is real.
It was directed by Creator/JoelSchumacher. A direct-to-video "sequel" called ''[[TitleByNumber 8mm 2]]''.2]]'' was released in 2005. [[InNameOnly It has no connection whatsoever to the original]].
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It was directed by Creator/JoelSchumacher. A direct-to-video "sequel" called ''[[TitleByNumber 8mm 2]]''. [[InNameOnly It has no connection]] [[TheyJustDidntCare whatsoever to the original]].
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It was directed by Creator/JoelSchumacher. A direct-to-video "sequel" called ''[[TitleByNumber 8mm 2]]''. [[InNameOnly It has no connection]] [[TheyJustDidntCare connection whatsoever to the original]].
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* SheCleansUpNicely / SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan: Welles interviews the mother of the missing girl. He goes back for a follow up interview to find she's cleaned the house and prettied herself up.
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* OnlySaneMan: In the hard-core underworld, Max California is the only one who is "normal" - he reads Truman Capote and he has dream of becominga Rock star.
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* OnlySaneMan: In the hard-core underworld, Max California is the only one who is "normal" - he reads Truman Capote and he has dream of becominga Rock becoming a rock star.
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-->'''[[spoiler:Longdale]]''': "Because he could. He did it because he could."
* FreudianExcuse: Machine goes out of his way to [[DefiedTrope defy the trope]]. The idea that some people are ''[[ForTheEvulz just plain twisted]]'' is one of the core ideas explored in the film.
* FreudianExcuse: Machine goes out of his way to [[DefiedTrope defy the trope]]. The idea that some people are ''[[ForTheEvulz just plain twisted]]'' is one of the core ideas explored in the film.
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We don\'t use the first person like that.
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* ImpersonatingAnOfficer: Welles poses as a government investigator to interview the girl's mother. As he's working for a highly paying client, I guess he thinks it's worth the risk. Toward the end of the movie, he claims to be a police officer when ringing around the hospitals [[spoiler:looking for the man he stabbed]], but by that stage Welles is so personally involved in the case that he doesn't care about the legality.
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* ImpersonatingAnOfficer: Welles poses as a government investigator to interview the girl's mother. As he's working for a highly paying client, I guess he thinks it's seems to consider it worth the risk. Toward the end of the movie, he claims to be a police officer when ringing around the hospitals [[spoiler:looking for the man he stabbed]], but by that stage Welles is so personally involved in the case that he doesn't care about the legality.
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That has its own trope.
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* NotSoHarmlessVillain: Inverted. [[spoiler:The terrible masked Machine turns out to be a glasses-wearing geekish character who [[BasementDweller lives in his mother's basement]].]]
-->"What were you expecting? A monster"
-->"What were you expecting? A monster"
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* TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElseTheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse: The terrible masked Machine turns out to be [[spoiler:a glasses-wearing geekish character who [[BasementDweller lives in his mother's basement]].]]
-->"What were you expecting? A monster?"
-->"What were you expecting? A monster?"
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Not to be confused with ''Film/EightMile''.
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* FiveBadBand:
** Dino Velvet: TheBigBad.
** Machine: TheDragon.
** [[spoiler: Daniel Longsdale]]: TheEvilGenius.
** Eddie Poole: TheBrute.
** Mr Christian: TheManBehindTheMan / BiggerBad.
** Dino Velvet: TheBigBad.
** Machine: TheDragon.
** [[spoiler: Daniel Longsdale]]: TheEvilGenius.
** Eddie Poole: TheBrute.
** Mr Christian: TheManBehindTheMan / BiggerBad.
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* LargeHam: PeterStormare as Dino Velvet. Seems like he had a lot fun playing him.
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* LargeHam: PeterStormare Creator/PeterStormare as Dino Velvet. Seems like he had a lot fun playing him.
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Not sure what movie you saw, but that was only implied at best.
* CowboyCop: Welles becomes one when killing Eddie.
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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Lampshaded by Max, who notices that Welles isn't as grossed out by what he's seeing as he used to be.
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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Lampshaded by Max, who notices that Welles isn't as grossed out by what he's seeing as he used to be. Welles himself would be subversion however, since he still retains a strong moral center throughout the movie, and that instance didn't involve a suspected snuff film.
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* ItsPersonal: Welles is eager to solve the case, but only because he believes it will give him an entrance into the lucrative world of high-society clients. By the time the movie has finished, he's graduated to full-on VigilanteMan.