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** The entire second act revolves around getting and using the Helm of Disjunction. [[spoiler:Simon finally manages to master it and break into the vault... only to discover it's completely empty; Forge put it all on an outbound ship. The Helm isn't used again for the rest of the film.]]

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** The entire second act revolves around getting and using the Helm of Disjunction. [[spoiler:Simon finally manages to master it and break into the vault... only to discover it's completely empty; Forge put it all on an outbound ship. The Helm isn't used again for the rest of the film. [[DownplayedTrope In the grander scheme however]], by going on the quest and putting on the Helm in the first place, Simon is able to master his own magic, which proves instrumental for the rest of the film.]]

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* TheTeam: Naturally, for a movie based on ''the'' [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons tabletop RPG]].
** Edgin is TheLeader, who comes up with the plans and the person to whom everyone looks to for guidance.
** Holga's strength and fighting prowess make her a natural fit for TheBigGuy but she mostly serves as Edgin's [[TheLancer lancer]], being his closest confidant and friend.
** Simon is a purely magic-based combatant; his role in the group is to come up with unorthodox ways around their various obstacles.
** Doric's shapeshifting gives her a variety of roles, such as brawn (especially in owl-bear form), espionage, and lateral thinking.
** Xenk the Paladin is a GuestStarPartyMember who guides the heroes through the Underdark and proves himself a much more capable combatant than the rest of them but takes his leave once his part in the quest is done so the others won't be OvershadowedByAwesome.
** Kira is TheHeart of the team, being beloved by everyone and acting as their MoralityPet. She also assists in various heists with her invisibility necklace.

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* TheTeam: Naturally, for a movie based on ''the'' [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons tabletop RPG]].
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RPG]]. Edgin is TheLeader, who comes up with the plans and the person to whom everyone looks to for guidance.
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guidance. Holga's strength and fighting prowess make her a natural fit for TheBigGuy but she mostly serves as Edgin's [[TheLancer lancer]], being his closest confidant and friend.
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friend. Simon is a purely magic-based combatant; his role in the group is to come up with unorthodox ways around their various obstacles.
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obstacles. Doric's shapeshifting gives her a variety of roles, such as brawn (especially in owl-bear form), espionage, and lateral thinking.
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thinking. Xenk the Paladin is a GuestStarPartyMember who guides the heroes through the Underdark and proves himself a much more capable combatant than the rest of them but takes his leave once his part in the quest is done so the others won't be OvershadowedByAwesome.
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OvershadowedByAwesome. Kira is TheHeart of the team, being beloved by everyone and acting as their MoralityPet. She also assists in various heists with her invisibility necklace.
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** Simon casts ''Speak with Dead'', telling everyone that once a body is raised, they can only ask a total of five quesitons before the spell is spent and the corpse is dead again forever. This seems to imply asking the reanimated corpse five questions only, unfortunately, the party ''asking each other'' also counts...

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** Simon casts ''Speak with Dead'', telling everyone that once a body is raised, they can only ask a total of five quesitons questions before the spell is spent and the corpse is dead again forever. This seems to imply asking the reanimated corpse five questions only, unfortunately, the party ''asking each other'' also counts...
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** Simon casts ''Speak with Dead'', telling everyone that they can only ask the corpse five things before the spell is spent. Unfortunately, the party ''asking each other'' also counts...

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** Simon casts ''Speak with Dead'', telling everyone that once a body is raised, they can only ask the corpse a total of five things quesitons before the spell is spent. Unfortunately, spent and the corpse is dead again forever. This seems to imply asking the reanimated corpse five questions only, unfortunately, the party ''asking each other'' also counts...
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** When Xenk leaves the party, he continues walking a surprisingly straight line down the beach, even right over a boulder he could have walked around. He's walking the ''straight and narrow path'', alluding to the morally upright lifestyle that a Paladin must adhere to.
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* NoKillLikeOverkill: After Owlbear-Doric delivers a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown to Sofina, Edgin stops her because "I think that's enough!", only for Sofina to keep moving, so Doric delivers ''another'' NoHoldsBarredBeatdown before tossingher into a wall.

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* NoKillLikeOverkill: After Owlbear-Doric delivers a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown to Sofina, Edgin stops her because because, "I think that's enough!", only for Sofina to keep moving, so Doric delivers ''another'' NoHoldsBarredBeatdown before tossingher tossing her into a wall.



* OneLastJob: The heist in the flashback prologue was meant to be Edgin's final job, but it went awry and he wound up in prison.

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* OneLastJob: The heist in the flashback prologue was meant to be Edgin's final job, but it went awry and he wound wounded up in prison.
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** During a chase scene, a dragon destroys the bridge the characters are using, Doric loses her footing and is left dangling on a ledge before being helped up by Simon, having apparently forgotten that she can shapeshift into a bird or another animal that could scale up the ledge just fine. It's possibly justified by the stress and panic she might have been feeling, but noticeable all the same.

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** During a chase scene, a dragon destroys the bridge the characters are using, Doric loses her footing and is left dangling on a ledge before being helped up by Simon, having apparently forgotten that she can shapeshift into a bird or another animal that could scale up the ledge just fine. It's possibly justified by the stress and panic she might have been feeling, but noticeable all the same. It is hinted by Doric's passive nature throughout that sequence that it is emulating an absent player whose character is handled by the DM for continuity.
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* PowerNullifier: Doric and Simon have anti-magic shackles locked around their wrists before they're put into the High Sun Games, though only on one wrist. [[spoiler:Doric has hers pulled off her arm as she is almost pulled into a [[BlobMonster Gelatinous Cube]], while Simon has the keys to his tossed to him by Edgin after their escape from the arena. One is later used to depower Sofina, allowing Doric to [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown finish her off in her Owlbear form]].]]

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* PowerNullifier: Doric and Simon have anti-magic shackles locked around their wrists before they're put into the High Sun Games, though only on one wrist. [[spoiler:Doric has hers pulled off her arm as she is almost pulled into a [[BlobMonster Gelatinous Cube]], while Simon has the keys to his tossed to him by Edgin after their escape from the arena. One is surreptitiously handed to Kira before the final showdown, which she later used to depower Sofina, slips on Sofina when she thinks she's time-frozen everyone, allowing Doric to [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown finish her off in her Owlbear form]].]]
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* NoKillLikeOverkill: After Doric delivers a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown to Sofina, Edgin stops her because "I think that's enough!", only for Sofina to keep moving, so Doric delivers ''another'' NoHoldsBarredBeatdown before tossingher into a wall.

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* NoKillLikeOverkill: After Doric Owlbear-Doric delivers a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown to Sofina, Edgin stops her because "I think that's enough!", only for Sofina to keep moving, so Doric delivers ''another'' NoHoldsBarredBeatdown before tossingher into a wall.
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*** Those statblocks are for parties to fight against the main cast, not to play as them. They're given extra hit dice to make them tougher boss fights. Judging by their abilities (Doric wildshapes into a CR 3 creature, Simon casts a 5th-level spell), they are 9th level, with Xenk being a little higher and Forge and Sofina being built directly as boss encounters who don't even try to emulate player character abilities.
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***Those statblocks are for parties to fight against the main cast, not to play as them. They're given extra hit dice to make them tougher boss fights. Judging by their abilities (Doric wildshapes into a CR 3 creature, Simon casts a 5th-level spell), they are 9th level, with Xenk being a little higher and Forge and Sofina being built directly as boss encounters who don't even try to emulate player character abilities.
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** Sofina's true appearance is revealed [[spoiler:during the final battle when it looks like she's managed to trap the party with another ''Time Stop'' spell; looking like a rotting corpse with tattered, moth-eaten robes. It's because Simon finally had the talent to counterspell it, the party were all faking being time-frozen to sell the ruse, and Kira used her invisibility necklace to move in and slap an AntiMagic bracelet on the red mage as she had her villainous rant, with the moment her true lich form is reavealed being the moment Kira made her move.]]

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** Sofina's true appearance is revealed [[spoiler:during the final battle when it looks like she's managed to trap the party with another ''Time Stop'' spell; looking like a rotting corpse with tattered, moth-eaten robes. It's because Simon finally had has the talent to counterspell it, the party were all faking being time-frozen to sell the ruse, and Kira used her invisibility necklace to move in and slap an AntiMagic bracelet on the red mage Red Wizard as she had has her villainous rant, with rant -- the moment her true lich undead form is reavealed unveiled being the moment Kira made her move.]]
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** Forge's reaction when he sees that [[spoiler:all his stolen treasure is falling through a Hither-Thither portal to spill across the city.]]

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** Forge's reaction when he sees that [[spoiler:all his stolen treasure is falling through a Hither-Thither portal pasted across the mouth of a hot-air balloon [[ItsAllAboutMe bearing his face]] to spill across the city.]]
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** Sofina's true appearance is revealed [[spoiler:during the final battle when it looks like she's managed to trap the party with another ''Time Stop'' spell; looking like a rotting corpse with tattered, moth-eaten robes. It's because Simon finally had the talent to counterspell it, the party were all faking being time-frozen to sell the ruse, and Kira used her invisibility necklace to move in and slap an AntiMagic bracelet on the red mage as she had her villainous rant.]]

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** Sofina's true appearance is revealed [[spoiler:during the final battle when it looks like she's managed to trap the party with another ''Time Stop'' spell; looking like a rotting corpse with tattered, moth-eaten robes. It's because Simon finally had the talent to counterspell it, the party were all faking being time-frozen to sell the ruse, and Kira used her invisibility necklace to move in and slap an AntiMagic bracelet on the red mage as she had her villainous rant.rant, with the moment her true lich form is reavealed being the moment Kira made her move.]]
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* HereWeGoAgain: Much to the exasperation of the Pardoning Council, the Halfling councilwoman in particular, [[spoiler:Forge attempts to escape justice, much like Edgin and Holga had in the beginning, by using the winged Council member Jarnathan to glide out of the window. Unfortunately for him (and for poor Jarnathan) the Council have since had said window bricked in.]]

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* HereWeGoAgain: Much to the exasperation of the Pardoning Absolution Council, the Halfling councilwoman in particular, [[spoiler:Forge attempts to escape justice, much like Edgin and Holga had in the beginning, by using the winged Council member Jarnathan to glide out of the window. Unfortunately for him (and for poor Jarnathan) the Council have since had said window bricked in.]]
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** Sofina's true appearance is revealed [[spoiler:during the final battle when it looks like she's managed to trap the party with another ''Time Stop'' spell; looking like a rotting corpse with tattered, moth-eaten robes.]]

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** Sofina's true appearance is revealed [[spoiler:during the final battle when it looks like she's managed to trap the party with another ''Time Stop'' spell; looking like a rotting corpse with tattered, moth-eaten robes. It's because Simon finally had the talent to counterspell it, the party were all faking being time-frozen to sell the ruse, and Kira used her invisibility necklace to move in and slap an AntiMagic bracelet on the red mage as she had her villainous rant.]]

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** For example, at the climax, Edgin's life is narrowly saved when Holga disrupts [[spoiler:Sofina's]] concentration on the spell she was using to animate the statue attacking him. This is exactly how it would work in the 5th edition rule set.
** In an earlier scene, a group of intellect devourers show no interest in attacking the party, which Edgin takes as somewhat insulting; the group at that point consists of a bard, a barbarian, a druid, a sorcerer, and a paladin, none of which are classes that rely very heavily on the Intelligence stat.
** Similarly, Simon is depicted as a rather inept sorcerer, something he's deeply insecure about. This makes sense as Sorcerers are charisma-based casters, and Simon is demonstratively ''not'' a charismatic individual, so he likely doesn't have a very good spellcasting ability.

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** For example, Every spell shown in the movie is recognisable from the game. [[https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/dungeons-and-dragons/feature/every-spell-cast-in-dnd-honor-among-thieves Dicebreaker has an article listing all of them]].
** When Simon's introduced, he's showing off a series of deeply boring spells to an audience. One member of the audience heckles that even their kid can cast the same cantrip; many species in D&D have inate spellcasting (tieflings and people with elemtal beings in their ancestry in particular), which starts with a cantrip they can use, even
at first level. It's then revealed he's using another spell (likely Magnetism) to rob them. The concentration mechanic means he would be limited in what spells he could cast, and being a sorcerer he would also be limited in how many he had access to. Finally, when he's fleeing from the mob, the effects he gets when trying to cast spells are all results you can get from the Wild Magic table, suggesting that's his subclass.
** At
the climax, Edgin's life is narrowly saved when Holga disrupts [[spoiler:Sofina's]] concentration on the spell she was using to animate the statue attacking him. This is exactly how it would work in the 5th edition rule set.
set (any attack forces the caster to make a saving throw to avoid dropping the spell).
** In an earlier scene, a Simon is unable to counterspell Sophia in the flashback, but succeeds in the finale; since he would have levelled up by then and have access to the same spell slots she does, and will have increased his spellcasting modifier, this makes perfect sense.
** A
group of intellect devourers show no interest in attacking the party, which Edgin takes as somewhat insulting; the group at that point consists of a bard, a barbarian, a druid, a sorcerer, and a paladin, none of which are classes that rely very heavily on the Intelligence stat.
** Similarly, Simon is depicted as a rather inept sorcerer, something he's deeply insecure about. This makes sense as Sorcerers are charisma-based casters, and Simon is demonstratively ''not'' a charismatic individual, so he likely doesn't have a very good spellcasting ability. The illusion of his grandfather basically goads him into standing up for himself, which improves his spellcasting considerably; this would fit with the game defining charisma as ''force of personality''.
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** Similarly, Simon is depicted as a rather inept sorcerer, something he's deeply insecure about. This makes sense as Sorcerers are charisma-based casters, and Simon is demonstratively ''not'' a charismatic individual, so he likely doesn't have a very good spellcasting ability.
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* OdeToIntoxication: ''Juice of the Vine,'' the melancholic melody that celebrates to the joy alcohol brings to the uncertain and perilous life of an adventurer:
--> ''No fortune found, nor faith divine''\\
''Come close to topping the juice of the vine!''\\
''With cherry crew, we sip and sway''\\
'' Let's tip the tankard and waste the day!''\\
''Ree, raw! Well ye' ken! Our toils can wait for a time!''\\
''We saw the folly of men, who'd rather than revel repine!''

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* OdeToIntoxication: ''Juice "Juice of the Vine,'' Vine", the melancholic melody that celebrates to the joy alcohol brings to the uncertain and perilous life of an adventurer:
--> ''No -->''No fortune found, nor faith divine''\\
''Come
divine\\
Come
close to topping the juice of the vine!''\\
''With
vine!\\
With
cherry crew, we sip and sway''\\
''
sway\\
Let's tip the tankard and waste the day!''\\
''Ree,
day!\\
Ree,
raw! Well ye' ken! Our toils can wait for a time!''\\
''We
time!\\
We
saw the folly of men, who'd rather than revel repine!''
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--> ''No fortune found, nor faith divine''
--> ''Come close to topping the juice of the vine!''
--> ''With cherry crew, we sip and sway''
-->'' Let's tip the tankard and waste the day!''
--> ''Ree, raw! Well ye' ken! Our toils can wait for a time!''
--> ''We saw the folly of men, who'd rather than revel repine!''

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--> ''No fortune found, nor faith divine''
-->
divine''\\
''Come close to topping the juice of the vine!''
-->
vine!''\\
''With cherry crew, we sip and sway''
-->''
sway''\\
''
Let's tip the tankard and waste the day!''
-->
day!''\\
''Ree, raw! Well ye' ken! Our toils can wait for a time!''
-->
time!''\\
''We saw the folly of men, who'd rather than revel repine!''
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-->'' Let's tip the tankard and waste the day''
--> ''Ree, Raw! Well ye' ken! Our toils can wait for a time!''

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-->'' Let's tip the tankard and waste the day''
day!''
--> ''Ree, Raw! raw! Well ye' ken! Our toils can wait for a time!''
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* OdeToIntoxication: ''Juice of the Vine,'' the melancholic melody that celebrates to the joy alcohol brings to the uncertain and perilous life of an adventurer:
--> ''No fortune found, nor faith divine''
--> ''Come close to topping the juice of the vine!''
--> ''With cherry crew, we sip and sway''
-->'' Let's tip the tankard and waste the day''
--> ''Ree, Raw! Well ye' ken! Our toils can wait for a time!''
--> ''We saw the folly of men, who'd rather than revel repine!''
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* WhatTheHellHero: Simon calls out Edgin for his stubbornness after he talked him into this.

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* PicturePerfectPresentation: When Xenk Yendar starts telling the backstory of Thay by opening a history book showing the country, the drawing of ominous towers segues into a directly matching picture as the flashback begins.



* UnwantedRevival: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Edgin explicitly states that Zia's death and finding a way to bring her back is what's currently motivating him and has been ever since he learned about the way to do it. [[spoiler:Xenk]] tries to convince him that perhaps she wouldn't ''want'' to come back to this plane of existence, and Edgin might be robbing her of a new life. [[spoiler:While it's unclear whether that's true, Edgin ultimately decides that Zia is trying to tell him not to selfishly focus on bringing her back just for his own feelings, because she didn't mind dying if it was to save Kira. Instead, he revives the newly dead Holga, who very much ''does'' want to be brought back.]]

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* UnwantedRevival: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Edgin explicitly states that Zia's death and finding a way to bring her back is what's currently motivating him and has been ever since he learned about the way to do it. [[spoiler:Xenk]] Xenk tries to convince him that perhaps she wouldn't ''want'' to come back to this plane of existence, and Edgin might be robbing her of a new life. [[spoiler:While it's unclear whether that's true, Edgin ultimately decides that Zia is trying to tell him not to selfishly focus on bringing her back just for his own feelings, because she didn't mind dying if it was to save Kira. Instead, he revives the newly dead Holga, who very much ''does'' want to be brought back.]]

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Not at all what happened in the movie; the trope doesn't apply.


* CargoConcealmentCaper: In order to rob Forge Fitzwilliam's vault, Holga stows away on a carriage that's bringing cargo there.
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* CargoConcealmentCaper: In order to rob Forge Fitzwilliam's vault, Holga stows away on a carriage that's bringing cargo there.
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* PetTheDog: Despite his having stabbed his old crew in the back and basically being the only reason Edgin and Holga were arrested, Forge kept his promise to look after Kira. And he clearly did a good job, seeing as how she willingly refers to him as "Uncle Forge" and is perfectly healthy and happy when Edgin and Holda reunite with her.
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* KillTheParentRaiseTheChild: [[spoiler:Forge Fitzwilliam attempts to do this. He's become accustomed to Edgin's daughter Kira treating him as a father figure, and part of his motivation (or at least a bonus) for having Edgin and his {{Platonic Life Partner|s}} Holga (who's effectively a mother to Kira) killed is to avoid returning her to his custody (instead of [[PragmaticVillainy letting Edgin take the tablet]], bring his wife BackFromTheDead, and leave with them both)]].
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** During their excursion in the Underdark to retrieve the Helm of Disjunction, the party is brought before a complicated bridge puzzle which almost immediately ends up botched beyond repair. Just when it seems like their journey is about to stop dead in its tracks, Simon suddenly makes an extremely useful discovery: [[spoiler:the seemingly unassuming "walking stick" that Holga took from her ex? [[DeusExMachina Turns out]] it's a powerful [[MagicStaff Hither-Tither Staff]] that lets them [[ThinkingUpPortals create portals]], allowing them to bypass the puzzle entirely and proving to be a valuable tool for the rest of the film.]]
** Later as the heroes act out their plan, [[spoiler:they use the Hither-Tither Staff to cast a portal onto a painting that gets snuck into the castle's vault, which they intend to use as an easy way in. This gets thwarted as the guard bringing the painting in carelessly lets it drop face-down onto the floor, thus treating the heroes to a portal that leads directly into solid concrete, forcing them to think of another way to get in. [[LampshadeHanging The group briefly discusses why anyone would just let a fancy painting fall onto the floor like that to begin with]].]]

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** During their excursion in the Underdark to retrieve the Helm of Disjunction, the party is brought before a complicated bridge puzzle which almost immediately ends up botched beyond repair. Just when it seems like their journey is about to stop dead in its tracks, Simon suddenly makes an extremely useful discovery: [[spoiler:the seemingly unassuming "walking stick" that Holga took from her ex? [[DeusExMachina Turns out]] it's a powerful [[MagicStaff Hither-Tither Hither-Thither Staff]] that lets them [[ThinkingUpPortals create portals]], allowing them to bypass the puzzle entirely and proving to be a valuable tool for the rest of the film.]]
** Later as the heroes act out their plan, [[spoiler:they use the Hither-Tither Hither-Thither Staff to cast a portal onto a painting that gets snuck into the castle's vault, which they intend to use as an easy way in. This gets thwarted as the guard bringing the painting in carelessly lets it drop face-down onto the floor, thus treating the heroes to a portal that leads directly into solid concrete, forcing them to think of another way to get in. [[LampshadeHanging The group briefly discusses why anyone would just let a fancy painting fall onto the floor like that to begin with]].]]

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