History Film / ChasingAmy

7th Jan '17 12:04:28 PM NWolfman
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* AngryBlackMan: Parodied by Hooper, who pretends to be an AngryBlackMan to sell comics but is actually CampGay. Also {{deconstructed}}, to some degree. It's definitely hinted that some of the rage he exhibits is real, but cloaked in irony. He also seems to be both angry at how black people are treated and, simultaneously, angry at the way the black community treats gay people. So it's complicated.

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* AngryBlackMan: Parodied by Hooper, who pretends to be an AngryBlackMan to sell comics but is actually CampGay. Also {{deconstructed}}, to some degree. It's definitely hinted that some of the rage he exhibits is real, but cloaked in irony. He also seems to be both angry at how black people are treated and, simultaneously, angry at the way the black community treats gay people. So it's complicated.[[Film/{{Shaft}} He's a complicated man]].
7th Jan '17 11:50:18 AM NWolfman
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%%* DoggedNiceGuy: Holden, to a fault.

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%%* * DoggedNiceGuy: Holden, Played straight, then [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]].
** Holden is, at first, a decent-enough guy who happens
to develop feelings for a fault.woman who could never love him back because she isn't attracted to men. When he spills his guts to her about being in love with her, she rightfully calls him an asshole for making this her problem... only to confess that she's actually bisexual, but identifies as a lesbian, meaning Holden ''can'' have the girl of his dreams.
** The second half of the movie deconstructs this concept by showing that Holden is actually quite selfish when he can't get over the fact that his ideal woman has a devious sexual past, taking for granted how selfless Alyssa was for coming out as bi at the risk of facing even more social stigma than she'd had as a lesbian. In the end, it's a cautionary tale about how relationships are give-and-take, and how it's wrong to force someone to love you on your own terms.



* FriendshipMoment: Just because a friendship moment is selfless doesn't automatically make it a good idea.

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* FriendshipMoment: Just because a friendship moment is selfless (or at least well-intentioned) doesn't automatically make it a good idea.



** Alyssa's devious sexual past included something [[BestialityIsDepraved involving a dog]], although that might just be some outlandish b.s. tossed off by Jay in his drug-infused ranting.

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** While probably just some nonsense tossed off by his drug-fueled ranting, or even just an outright lie, Jay mentions that Alyssa's devious sexual past included something [[BestialityIsDepraved involving a dog]], although that might just be some outlandish b.s. tossed off by Jay in his drug-infused ranting.dog]].
4th Jan '17 2:19:21 PM NWolfman
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: [[spoiler: Holden attempts to rekindle his broken relationships with both his best friend and his girlfriend by suggesting they have a three-way. It ends up destroying both.]]
* NoBisexuals: Sort of. [[spoiler: Alyssa is bisexual but identifies as a lesbian until she gets together with Holden, but the word "bisexual" doesn't appear anywhere in the film. It doesn't help that Alyssa's friends treat her falling in love with Holden as "losing one to the other team."]]

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: [[spoiler: Holden attempts to rekindle his broken relationships with both his best friend and his girlfriend by [[spoiler:by suggesting they have a three-way. It ends up destroying both.]]
* NoBisexuals: Sort of. [[spoiler: Alyssa is bisexual bi/pansexual but identifies as a lesbian until she gets together with Holden, but the word "bisexual" doesn't appear anywhere in the film. It doesn't help that Alyssa's friends treat her falling in love with Holden as "losing one to the other team."]]" There's some implication that she considered it easier to deny her attraction to men than to deal with the social ramifications of bisexuality.]]
23rd Nov '16 5:19:12 PM arrgh
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* NoBisexuals: Sort of. [[spoiler: Alyssa is bisexual but identifies as a lesbian until she gets together with Holden, but the word "bisexual" doesn't appear anywhere in the film. It doesn't help that Alyssa's friends treat her falling in love with Holden as "losing one to the other team." Granted, the concept of binary genders and relationships was more or less all the general public knew in 1997.]]

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* NoBisexuals: Sort of. [[spoiler: Alyssa is bisexual but identifies as a lesbian until she gets together with Holden, but the word "bisexual" doesn't appear anywhere in the film. It doesn't help that Alyssa's friends treat her falling in love with Holden as "losing one to the other team." Granted, the concept of binary genders and relationships was more or less all the general public knew in 1997.]]"]]
31st Oct '16 3:23:40 AM kyeo
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* ShutUpKiss: Holden gives one to [[spoiler:Banky]]. It works.
13th Sep '16 12:10:21 AM NWolfman
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* IHaveToGoIronMyDog: Holden tries to pull Banky out of the lesbian bar when things start getting awkward for him by saying they need to beat traffic. Banky tells him that there's no traffic since it's one in the morning, to which Holden replies, "Yeah, so rush hour starts in eight hours!"
8th Sep '16 10:45:21 PM NWolfman
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* NoBisexuals: Sort of. [[spoiler: Alyssa is bisexual but identifies as a lesbian until she gets together with Holden, but the word "bisexual" doesn't appear anywhere in the film. Alyssa's friends treat her falling in love with Holden as "losing one to the other team", suggesting a rather binary mode of thinking.]]

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* NoBisexuals: Sort of. [[spoiler: Alyssa is bisexual but identifies as a lesbian until she gets together with Holden, but the word "bisexual" doesn't appear anywhere in the film. It doesn't help that Alyssa's friends treat her falling in love with Holden as "losing one to the other team", suggesting a rather team." Granted, the concept of binary mode of thinking.genders and relationships was more or less all the general public knew in 1997.]]
5th Jul '16 3:09:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* AnguishedDeclarationOfLove: Holden's Love Speech in the Rain.

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* AnguishedDeclarationOfLove: AnguishedDeclarationOfLove:
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Holden's Love Speech in the Rain.



* ChekhovsGun: Two, but they don't go off until subsequent movies. Jay and Silent Bob's bus tickets to Illinois get them to the midwest in time for the plot of ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', and Banky and Holden's comic book (turned movie) becomes the major plot of ''Film/JayAndSilentBobStrikeBack''.

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* ChekhovsGun: ChekhovsGun:
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Two, but they don't go off until subsequent movies. Jay and Silent Bob's bus tickets to Illinois get them to the midwest in time for the plot of ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', and Banky and Holden's comic book (turned movie) becomes the major plot of ''Film/JayAndSilentBobStrikeBack''.



* FunnyBackgroundEvent: When Alyssa and Holden are playing darts, people behind them can be seen repeatedly entering the opposite gender's bathroom. Though since it is a gay bar (and Holden doesn't know it at the time) this becomes a MeaningfulBackgroundEvent.

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* FunnyBackgroundEvent: FunnyBackgroundEvent:
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When Alyssa and Holden are playing darts, people behind them can be seen repeatedly entering the opposite gender's bathroom. Though since it is a gay bar (and Holden doesn't know it at the time) this becomes a MeaningfulBackgroundEvent.



* GirlOnGirlIsHot: Hooper mentions the fact that lesbians are becoming far more accepted in society because of this trope, while a gay black man has several additional hurdles to jump through.

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* GirlOnGirlIsHot: GirlOnGirlIsHot:
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Hooper mentions the fact that lesbians are becoming far more accepted in society because of this trope, while a gay black man has several additional hurdles to jump through.



* NoodleIncident: Apparently as a child Banky made a nun so angry that she called him a "fucking cunt rag".
** Also, Alyssa's devious sexual past included something [[BestialityIsDepraved involving a dog]], although that might just be some outlandish b.s. tossed off by Jay in his drug-infused ranting.

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* NoodleIncident: NoodleIncident:
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Apparently as a child Banky made a nun so angry that she called him a "fucking cunt rag".
** Also, Alyssa's devious sexual past included something [[BestialityIsDepraved involving a dog]], although that might just be some outlandish b.s. tossed off by Jay in his drug-infused ranting.



* RuleThirtyFour: Discussed, in regards of ''Franchise/ArchieComics''.

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* RuleThirtyFour: RuleThirtyFour:
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Discussed, in regards of ''Franchise/ArchieComics''.
5th Jul '16 3:08:15 AM Morgenthaler
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** WordOfGod suggests [[spoiler:Holden and Alyssa may have gotten back together after the film ended]], so it's arguably an open ending.
** Although, [[spoiler:considering they are not together in ''Film/JayAndSilentBobStrikeBack'', and Holden laments that he misses "dating a lesbian"...]]



* SignatureStyle: Creator/KevinSmith's writing and directorial style is on display here with all of its usual notes: Snarky banter, limited camera movement, frank discussions of comic book sex, copious ''Franchise/StarWars'' references, and ice hockey.
** And MyGirlIsNotASlut, present in ''Film/{{Clerks}}'' as well. Also a lampshading of the ''Series/DegrassiJuniorHigh'' references in the previous two movies.

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* SignatureStyle: Creator/KevinSmith's writing and directorial style is on display here with all of its usual notes: Snarky banter, limited camera movement, frank discussions of comic book sex, copious ''Franchise/StarWars'' references, and ice hockey.
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hockey. And MyGirlIsNotASlut, present in ''Film/{{Clerks}}'' as well. Also a lampshading of the ''Series/DegrassiJuniorHigh'' references in the previous two movies.
5th Jul '16 3:04:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* AnguishedDeclarationOfLove: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei2Nvlcs3ao Holden's Love Speech in the Rain.]]

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* AnguishedDeclarationOfLove: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei2Nvlcs3ao Holden's Love Speech in the Rain.]]
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