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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Chapter 6: "The Aftermath," has a long talk between both Hiccup and Stoick that boils down to this- both Hiccup and Stoick had their reasons for doing the things they did during the events of the film, bringing up Stoick's past experience, Hiccup's track record of converting villains to friends, and both admitting that both of them made missteps in how they handled the Drago situation. They agree to try to work past this and to avert PoorCommunicationKills in the future.
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Chapter 6: "The Aftermath," has a long talk between both Hiccup and Stoick that boils down to this- both Hiccup and Stoick had their reasons for doing the things they did during the events of the film, bringing up Stoick's past experience, Hiccup's track record of converting villains to friends, and both admitting that both of them made missteps in how they handled the Drago situation.situation (and in their parent-son relationship). They agree to try to work past this and to avert PoorCommunicationKills in the future.
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Hiccup admits that this was part of the problem in the events of the second film regarding the relationship with his father- while Stoic was absolutely correct on his assessment on Drago's personality and prediction of actions, Hiccup at that point had a track record of turning villains that were absolutely sure to be enemies with Berk forever into allies, name dropping Alvin, Dagur, and even Viggo had a HeelFaceTurn, sacrificing himself to save Hiccup and befriending dragons. Stoic points out that that's a pretty good track record as to why Hiccup thought he could turn Drago. Later in the same conversation, though, Hiccup points out that Johan, Krogan, and Ryker were villains he faced that stayed villainous, admitting that he should have taken those failures into account with Drago. Stoick also agrees there and admits that he should have explained himself better about why he felt the way he did about Drago.
** Stoic points out that one of the reasons that he and Hiccup tend to clash is that Hiccup is a planner, while Stoic is a do-er. Both have their strengths, but it does mean that they will naturally butt heads over the correct course of action.
** Stoic points out that one of the reasons that he and Hiccup tend to clash is that Hiccup is a planner, while Stoic is a do-er. Both have their strengths, but it does mean that they will naturally butt heads over the correct course of action.
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Chapter 6: "The Aftermath," has a long talk between both Hiccup admits and Stoick that this was part of boils down to this- both Hiccup and Stoick had their reasons for doing the problem in things they did during the events of the second film regarding the relationship with his father- while Stoic was absolutely correct on his assessment on Drago's personality and prediction of actions, Hiccup at that point had a film, bringing up Stoick's past experience, Hiccup's track record of turning converting villains that were absolutely sure to be enemies with Berk forever into allies, name dropping Alvin, Dagur, friends, and even Viggo had a HeelFaceTurn, sacrificing himself to save Hiccup and befriending dragons. Stoic points out that that's a pretty good track record as to why Hiccup thought he could turn Drago. Later in the same conversation, though, Hiccup points out that Johan, Krogan, and Ryker were villains he faced that stayed villainous, both admitting that he should have taken those failures into account with Drago. Stoick also agrees there and admits that he should have explained himself better about why he felt the way he did about Drago.
** Stoic points out that oneboth of the reasons that he and Hiccup tend to clash is that Hiccup is a planner, while Stoic is a do-er. Both have their strengths, but it does mean that them made missteps in how they will naturally butt heads over handled the correct course of action.Drago situation. They agree to try to work past this and to avert PoorCommunicationKills in the future.
** Stoic points out that one
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Hiccup admits that this was part of the problem in the events of the second film regarding the relationship with his father- while Stoic was absolutely correct on his assessment on Drago's personality and prediction of actions, Hiccup at that point had a track record of turning villains that were absolutely sure to be enemies with Berk forever into allies, name dropping Alvin, Dagur, and even Viggo had a HeelFaceTurn, sacrificing himself to save Hiccup and befriending dragons. Stoic points out that that's a pretty good track record as to why Hiccup thought he could turn Drago. Later in the same conversation, though, Hiccup points out that Johan, Krogan, and Ryker were villains he faced that stayed villainous, admitting that he should have taken those failures into account with Drago. Stoick also agrees there and admits that he should have explained himself better about why he felt the way he did about Drago.
** Stoic points out that one of the reasons that he and Hiccup tend to clash is that Hiccup is a planner, while Stoic is a do-er. Both have their strengths, but it does mean that they will naturally butt heads over the correct course of action.
** Stoic points out that one of the reasons that he and Hiccup tend to clash is that Hiccup is a planner, while Stoic is a do-er. Both have their strengths, but it does mean that they will naturally butt heads over the correct course of action.
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* AllForNothing: In flashback, Astrid felt all the hard work she did in training to kill a dragon was this when Berk made peace with dragons.
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These examples of Surprisingly Realistic Outcome seem to violate at least one of these rules, which disqualifies them: No character reactions (characters get angry, don't forgive, don't change their personality instantly, etc.); Too fantastical (depends on the properties of magic, powers, sci-fi tech, monsters, etc.); Not surprising (a character was warned about the outcome, it's used to provide Karma or An Aesop, or it simply follows normal conventions for this genre or medium); Plot happens (the example only describes an event, but not why audiences would expect a different, unrealistic outcome); Not an outcome (a character just explains why something wouldn't work as expected); More of a Deconstruction (the event has major, lasting effects on the plot, make something more realistic, but not completely realistic, or a parody/fanwork applies realistic consequences to the events of a different work); or fits better under a different trope. See the trope's definition for more details. If you believe a removal was a mistake, please bring it up in the cleanup thread
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: After the joy of finding out his mother is still alive wears off after Drago is defeated, Hiccup wonders if he can trust her and if him, her, and his father could be a family again considering earlier she wanted to stay at the ice nest.
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* RealityEnsues: After the joy of finding out his mother is still alive wears off after Drago is defeated, Hiccup wonders if he can trust her and if him, her, and his father could be a family again considering earlier she wanted to stay at the ice nest.
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* RealityEnsues: SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: After the joy of finding out his mother is still alive wears off after Drago is defeated, Hiccup wonders if he can trust her and if him, her, and his father could be a family again considering earlier she wanted to stay at the ice nest.
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* ItsAllMyFault: Unlike in canon, Drago doesn't take Toothless with him. Not wanting to risk Toothless falling under the control of Drago's Bewilderbeast's again, Hiccup decides to stay behind with Toothless at the ice nest while the others go to stop Drago from conquering Berk. This allows Hiccup some time to reflect on recent events and blames himself for making Berk Drago's next target.
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* ItsAllMyFault: Unlike in canon, Drago doesn't take Toothless with him. Not wanting to risk Toothless falling under the control of Drago's Bewilderbeast's again, Hiccup decides to stay behind with Toothless at the ice nest while the others go to stop Drago from conquering Berk. This allows Hiccup some time to reflect on recent events and blames ends up blaming himself for making Berk Drago's next target.
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* ActuallyAGoodIdea: In chapter nine, Hiccup says this about Ruffnut and Tuffnut's plan on how to get rid of the ice in the village.
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* IronicName: Hiccup names the blind Hobblegrunt Heimdall after the all seeing Viking god.
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* CursedWithAwesome: The Hobblegrunt that was blinded by a tree snare. It turned out his bad luck ended up making him immune to Drago's Bewilderbeast's mind control.
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* CursedWithAwesome: The Hobblegrunt that was blinded by a tree snare. It turned out his bad luck ended up making him immune to Drago's Bewilderbeast's mind control.control and gives Hiccup his idea of how to come to Berk's rescue.
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* RealityEnsues: After the joy of finding out his mother is still alive wears off after Drago is defeated, Hiccup wonders if he can trust her or if him, her, and his father could be a family again considering earlier she wanted to stay at the ice nest.
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* RealityEnsues: After the joy of finding out his mother is still alive wears off after Drago is defeated, Hiccup wonders if he can trust her or and if him, her, and his father could be a family again considering earlier she wanted to stay at the ice nest.
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* JoinOrDie: Drago, before his defeat, wanted to kill everyone in Berk if the refused to join him.
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* JoinOrDie: Drago, before his defeat, wanted to kill everyone in Berk if the refused to join him.
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* ItsAllMyFault: Unlike in canon, Drago doesn't take Toothless with him. Not wanting to risk Toothless falling under the control of Drago's Bewilderbeast Bewilderbeast's again, Hiccup decides to stay behind with Toothless at the ice nest while the others go to stop Drago from conquering Berk. This allows Hiccup some time to reflect on recent events and blames himself for making Berk Drago's next target.
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* ItsAllMyFault: Unlike in canon, Drago doesn't take Toothless with him. Not wanting to risk Toothless falling under Drago's Bewilderbeast again, Hiccup decides to stay behind with Toothless at the ice nest while the others go to stop Drago from conquering Berk. This allows Hiccup some time to reflect on recent events and blames himself for making Berk Drago's next target.
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* DudeNotFunny: Snotlout vocally disapproved of the twins' joke comparing the [[spoiler:Grimborns]] to cats after finding out [[spoiler:Ryker Grimborn had survived the events of the two part episode Shell Shocked]].
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* DudeNotFunny: Snotlout vocally disapproved of the twins' joke comparing the [[spoiler:Grimborns]] to cats after finding out [[spoiler:Ryker Grimborn had survived the events of the two part episode Shell Shocked]].
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* DudeNotFunny: Snotlout vocally disapproved of the twins' joke comparing the [[spoiler:Grimborns]] to cats after finding out [[spoiler:Ryker Grimborn had survived the events of the two part episode Shell Shocked]].
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* SparedByTheAdaptation: Stoick.
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* SparedByTheAdaptation: Stoick.SparedByTheAdaptation:
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** [[spoiler:Ryker Grimborn]]
** Stoick.
** [[spoiler:Ryker Grimborn]]
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* CursedWithAwesome: The Hobblegrunt that was blinded by a tree snare. It turned out his bad luck ended up making him immune to Drago's Bewilderbeast's mind control.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Stoick and Valka whenever they realize just how bad a parent they've been towards Hiccup.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Stoick and Valka each have these moments whenever they realize just how bad a parent they've been towards Hiccup.
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* HuntingTheMostDangerousGame: [[spoiler:The family that lives on Healer's Island enjoy hunting visitors to the island.]]
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* MistakenForSuicidal: [[spoiler:Stoick and Valka thought Hiccup had attempted to kill himself after he returns to camp with one of his forearms cut after an encounter with a man convinced Hiccup is going to kill him.]]
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* MistakenForSuicidal: [[spoiler:Stoick and Valka thought Hiccup had attempted to kill himself after he returns to camp on Healer's Island with one of his forearms cut after an encounter with a man convinced Hiccup is going to kill him.]]him. Doesn't help things any that before the trip to Healer's Island Astrid told them Hiccup has scars from injuries she says that don't look like accidents.]]
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Stoick and Valka whenever they realize just how bad a parent they've been towards Hiccup.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Stoick and Valka whenever they realize just how bad a parent they've been towards Hiccup.
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MistakenForSuicidal: [[spoiler:Stoick and Valka thought Hiccup had attempted to kill himself after he returns ]]
SparedByTheAdaptation: Stoick.
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* MistakenForSuicidal: [[spoiler:Stoick and Valka thought Hiccup had attempted to kill himself after he returns to camp with one of his forearms cut after an encounter with a man convinced Hiccup is going to kill him.]]
* SparedByTheAdaptation: Stoick.
* SparedByTheAdaptation: Stoick.
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''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13521846 Deviation]]'' is a ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'' fanfic by [[https://www.fanfiction.net/u/12700009/OrangeCat64 [=OrangeCat64=].]]
As soon as Stoick and Gobber find Hiccup in the Bewilderbeast's nest, the events of ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon2'' start to unfold differently into an AU where Stoick lives. The story continues on into events after WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon2 where the characters deal with new problems and threats.
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!!''Deviation'' provides examples of:
MistakenForSuicidal: [[spoiler:Stoick and Valka thought Hiccup had attempted to kill himself after he returns ]]
SparedByTheAdaptation: Stoick.
As soon as Stoick and Gobber find Hiccup in the Bewilderbeast's nest, the events of ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon2'' start to unfold differently into an AU where Stoick lives. The story continues on into events after WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon2 where the characters deal with new problems and threats.
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!!''Deviation'' provides examples of:
MistakenForSuicidal: [[spoiler:Stoick and Valka thought Hiccup had attempted to kill himself after he returns ]]
SparedByTheAdaptation: Stoick.
