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* AdaptationExpansion: Of ‘’[[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]’’. Pretty much the whole point.
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: Hannah Abbot (Neville's future wife) tries to set him on fire and then throws several potted plants at him (one of which suffocates him to unconsciousness, while she does nothing to stop it). All this because of a bad case of PoorCommunicationKills leading her to believe he was making out with Ginny--even though Hannah and Neville aren't even ''dating''. [[MoralDissonance This is supposed to be justified by the "fact" that]] [[UnfortunateImplications girls are just crazy like that.]]
* AdaptationExpansion: Of‘’[[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows ''[[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]’’.Hallows]]''. Pretty much the whole point.
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** Most notably, the same Battle of Hogwarts is portrayed as an actual battle, with lots of {{gorn}}, as opposed to Rowling's quirky portrayal of the house elves, ghosts, Sybill Trelawney, and Neville throwing stuff at the Death Eaters' heads.
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** Most notably, the same Battle of Hogwarts is portrayed as an actual battle, with lots of {{gorn}}, as opposed to Rowling's quirky lighter portrayal of the house elves, ghosts, Sybill Trelawney, and Neville throwing stuff at the Death Eaters' heads.
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** Arguably this could be the author's {{anvilicious}} delivery of "War is Hell" message.
* {{Hatedom}} - This series is...controversial to say the least.
* {{Hatedom}} - This series is...controversial to say the least.
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** Arguably this could be the author's {{anvilicious}} delivery of "War is Hell" message.
message. Once again, YourMilageMayVary on if it's done well.
* {{Hatedom}} - This series is...controversial ''controversial'', to say the least.
* {{Hatedom}} - This series is...
* HollywoodHomely: In the books, both Neville and Hannah are a bit pudgy. In DAYD, Hannah's supermodel hotness was concealed by the school robes, which made her - but none of the other girls - look fat.
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** Both Neville and Colin think that when Colin and Dennis Creevey go home for the holidays, they'll find their parents murdered, but [[IdiotBall Neville doesn't bother to stop them or give them any protection]]. After they go home and find their parents murdered, the Creeveys go on the run, and end up hiding at their muggle friend's house. Neville and Co. go to rescue them, Colin is bleeding to death from being splinched, but they escape, with the muggle helping as best he can as Death Eaters begin breaking in. Despite him being ''right there next to them'', they don't bother to take said muggle with them. Later, as Colin recovers from nearly dying, Neville berates him to the point of Colin breaking down in tears.
* WarIsHell: The main message of theseries, which makes it "too dark" compared to JKR's books, which drop lines about "50 bodies in the Great Hall" completely glossing over the effect such a death toll would have on the rest of the school.series.
* WarIsHell: The main message of the
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** Justified. See above.
*** No, it isn't. See above.
*** No, it isn't. See above.
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** And then there's Sluagh, which is darker and edgier than DAYD. * Is still shivering in a corner.*
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** And then there's Sluagh, which is darker and edgier than DAYD. * Is still shivering in a corner.*
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** Most notably, the same Battle of Hogwarts is portrayed as an actual battle, with lots of gorn, {{gorn}}, as opposed to Rowling's quirky portrayal of the house elves, ghosts, Sybill Trelawney, and Neville throwing stuff at the Death Eaters' heads.
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* FanVerse: This POVSequel has spawned POVSequels of its own.
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** Or this could be author's anveliscious delivery of "War is Hell" message. This level of gore is frequently seen in works describing World War II.
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** Never mind Professor Hans Belsen, brought in (if briefly) to demonstrate his research on unruly students. Given that he is plainly based on real Nazi scientists.... * shudder*
*** The clue is in the name. Subtle!
*** The clue is in the name. Subtle!
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** Never mind Professor Hans Belsen, [[MeaningfulName Belsen]], brought in (if briefly) to demonstrate his research on unruly students. Given that he is plainly based on real Nazi scientists.... * shudder*
*** The clue is in the name. Subtle!shudder*
*** The clue is in the name. Subtle!
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** That was in the original canon.
*** But DAYD's tortures and {{gorn}} everywhere[[hottip:* :That line is said ''before'' the battle'']] aren't canonical.
**** Except they are. Umbridge used torture during her detentions and imposed martial law. The only things that could "make Umbridge look tame" would be the kind of extreme torture described here.
*** But DAYD's tortures and {{gorn}} everywhere[[hottip:* :That line is said ''before'' the battle'']] aren't canonical.
**** Except they are. Umbridge used torture during her detentions and imposed martial law. The only things that could "make Umbridge look tame" would be the kind of extreme torture described here.
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** That was in the original canon.
*** But DAYD's tortures and {{gorn}} everywhere[[hottip:* :That line is said ''before'' the battle'']] aren't canonical.
**** Except they are. Umbridge used torture during her detentions and imposed martial law.The only things that could "make Umbridge look tame" would be the kind of extreme torture described here.
*** But DAYD's tortures and {{gorn}} everywhere[[hottip:* :That line is said ''before'' the battle'']] aren't canonical.
**** Except they are. Umbridge used torture during her detentions and imposed martial law.
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* WarIsHell
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* WarIsHellWarIsHell: The main message of the series, which makes it "too dark" compared to JKR's books, which drop lines about "50 bodies in the Great Hall" completely glossing over the effect such a death toll would have on the rest of the school.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: For some, DAYD is an epic, realistic portrayal of what the battle must have been like for the DA under a Voldemort-controlled Hogwarts. [[http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+ Sporking&filter=all For others, it is a horribly unrealistic sexist fic]] that takes {{Darker and Edgier}} {{Beyond the Impossible}} and turns Neville into an OutOfCharacter GaryStu of epic proportions.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: For some, DAYD is an epic, realistic portrayal of what the battle must have been like for the DA under a Voldemort-controlled Hogwarts. [[http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+ Sporking&filter=all [[http://tinyurl.com/2fhaebl For others, it is a horribly unrealistic sexist fic]] that takes {{Darker and Edgier}} {{Beyond the Impossible}} and turns Neville into an OutOfCharacter GaryStu of epic proportions.
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[[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
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* RapeAsDrama: It's never explicitly stated, but the bruises and bite marks that Crabbe and Goyle left all over [[spoiler:Lavender]]'s body would lead you to this conclusion.
** This work treats assault on [[spoiler:Lavender]] just as seriously as most of its other material, and that episode doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story. So the trope about playing up a sexual assault for dramatic value doesn't apply here.
*** That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
** This work treats assault on [[spoiler:Lavender]] just as seriously as most of its other material, and that episode doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story. So the trope about playing up a sexual assault for dramatic value doesn't apply here.
*** That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
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** This work treats assault on [[spoiler:Lavender]] just as seriously as most of its other material, and that episode doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story. So the trope about playing up a sexual assault for dramatic value doesn't apply here.
*** That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]]
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*** But DAYD's tortures and {{gorn}} everywhere[[hottip:* :That line is said ''before'' the battle'']] aren't canonical.
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*** But DAYD's tortures and {{gorn}} everywhere[[hottip:* :That line is said ''before'' the battle'']] aren't canonical. canonical.
**** Except they are. Umbridge used torture during her detentions and imposed martial law. The only things that could "make Umbridge look tame" would be the kind of extreme torture described here.
**** Except they are. Umbridge used torture during her detentions and imposed martial law. The only things that could "make Umbridge look tame" would be the kind of extreme torture described here.
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** Or this could be author's anveliscious delivery of "War is Hell" message. This level of gore is frequently seen in works describing World War II.
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* HollywoodHomely: In the books, both Neville and Hannah are a bit pudgy. In DAYD, Hannah's supermodel hotness was concealed by the school robes, which made her - but none of the other girls - look fat, and Neville replaces all of his fat with muscle, helped by him being [[{{Gorn}} starved for weeks as part of a punishment]].
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* [[JerkSue Jerk Sue]]/[[MartyStu Marty Stu]]: YourMileageMayVary, but Neville at least has many aspects of these. Some of the things he does include:
** Both he and Colin think that when Colin and Dennis Creevey go home for the holidays, they'll find their parents murdered, but [[IdiotBall he doesn't bother to stop them or give them any protection]]. After they go home and find their parents murdered, the Creeveys go on the run, and end up hiding at their muggle friend's house. Neville and Co. go to rescue them, Colin is bleeding to death from being splinched, but they escape, with the muggle helping as best he can as Death Eaters begin breaking in. Despite him being ''right there next to them'', they don't bother to take said muggle with them. Later, as Colin recovers from nearly dying, Neville berates him for having nearly died while being part of Neville's grand cunning plan, to the point that Colin breaks down in tears.
** Is the personal target for [[CharacterDerailment Snape's murder schemes]], even while his grand tactical genius means that he's made it that ''noone can ever, under any circumstances, find out or tell anyone who's in Dumbledore's Army'' using a NewPowersAsThePlotDemands version of the Fidelius charm.
** [[CharacterDerailment Becomes instantly self-confident,]] delivering a speech at the start that wins everyone over to the DA instantly.
** And if that's not bad enough, in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475647/1/Too_Little_Too_Late this one-shot]], Ginny ''[[ShillingTheWesley outright states]]'' that Harry Potter wasn't a hero, and she made a mistake choosing him over the true hero, Neville Longbottom.
** Both he and Colin think that when Colin and Dennis Creevey go home for the holidays, they'll find their parents murdered, but [[IdiotBall he doesn't bother to stop them or give them any protection]]. After they go home and find their parents murdered, the Creeveys go on the run, and end up hiding at their muggle friend's house. Neville and Co. go to rescue them, Colin is bleeding to death from being splinched, but they escape, with the muggle helping as best he can as Death Eaters begin breaking in. Despite him being ''right there next to them'', they don't bother to take said muggle with them. Later, as Colin recovers from nearly dying, Neville berates him for having nearly died while being part of Neville's grand cunning plan, to the point that Colin breaks down in tears.
** Is the personal target for [[CharacterDerailment Snape's murder schemes]], even while his grand tactical genius means that he's made it that ''noone can ever, under any circumstances, find out or tell anyone who's in Dumbledore's Army'' using a NewPowersAsThePlotDemands version of the Fidelius charm.
** [[CharacterDerailment Becomes instantly self-confident,]] delivering a speech at the start that wins everyone over to the DA instantly.
** And if that's not bad enough, in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475647/1/Too_Little_Too_Late this one-shot]], Ginny ''[[ShillingTheWesley outright states]]'' that Harry Potter wasn't a hero, and she made a mistake choosing him over the true hero, Neville Longbottom.
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: Hannah Abbot (Neville's future wife) tries to set him on fire and then throws several potted plants at him (one of which suffocates him to unconsciousness, while she does nothing to stop it). All this because of a bad case of PoorCommunicationKills leading her to believe he was making out with Ginny--even though Hannah and Neville aren't even ''dating''. [[MoralDissonance This is supposed to be justified by the "fact" that]] [[UnfortunateImplications girls are just crazy like that.]]
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* CriticalResearchFailure: On TWO OCCASIONS, Thanfiction [[HurtComfortFic has rape victims, shortly after their rape, comforted by sexualised acts initiated by men]]. It's a throwaway line in DAYD itself, where, just after her rape is avenged [[hottip:* :without consulting or involving her, and ignoring her fears about her family]] by the men, [[spoiler:Lavender]] is found having sex with her boyfriend. The one shot ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475729/1/More_Realer More Realer]]'' is worse: In DAYD's sequel, ''Sluagh'', [[spoiler: Hermione]] spends about 5 chapters being tortured and raped, [[BloodierAndGorier described in graphic detail]], finally setting herself on fire to escape (she got better). In the one-shot, [[spoiler: Ron]] basically forces himself on her, and she accepts this, because up to that point, he'd been patient about her request not to have sex. She's flinching away, but he just keeps massaging her shoulders, applying sensual kisses, and all sorts of things, all without her consent. Ugh!
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+ Sporking&filter=all been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and going against canon.
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+ Sporking&filter=all [[http://tinyurl.com/2fhaebl been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and going against canon.
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+ Sporking&filter=all been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and going against canon.
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+ Sporking&filter=all bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+Sporking&filter=all been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and going against canon.
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Snape is not the Carrows, the rape happened, and reverse a lot of whitewashing.
* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: Hannah Abbot (Neville's future wife) tries to set him on fire and then throws several potted plants at him (one of which suffocates him to unconsciousness, while she does nothing to stop it). All this because of a bad case of PoorCommunicationKills leading her to believe he was making out with Ginny--even though Hannah and Neville aren't even ''dating''. [[MoralDissonance This is supposed to be justified by the "fact" that]] [[UnfortunateImplications girls are just crazy like that.]]
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** HP canon includes the quote about Carrows being "far worse" than Umbridge. That's the woman who used torture during detentions and imposed martial law. With this background set by JKR, the author here didn't have any room to make Snape a "nice guy" if he wanted to be true to HP canon.
* CriticalResearchFailure: On TWO OCCASIONS, Thanfiction [[HurtComfortFic has rape victims, shortly after their rape, comforted by sexualised acts initiated by men]]. It's a throwaway line in DAYD itself, where, just after her rape is avenged [[hottip:*:without consulting or involving her, and ignoring her fears about her family]] by the men, [[spoiler:Lavender]] is found having sex with her boyfriend. The one shot ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475729/1/More_Realer More Realer]]'' is worse: In DAYD's sequel, ''Sluagh'', [[spoiler: Hermione]] spends about 5 chapters being tortured and raped, [[BloodierAndGorier described in graphic detail]], finally setting herself on fire to escape (she got better). In the one-shot, [[spoiler: Ron]] basically forces himself on her, and she accepts this, because up to that point, he'd been patient about her request not to have sex. She's flinching away, but he just keeps massaging her shoulders, applying sensual kisses, and all sorts of things, all without her consent. Ugh!
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** Or it could be an anviliscious "War is Hell" message. If this was a book about WWII, this level of violence would be expected.
* HollywoodHomely: In the books, both Neville and Hannah are a bit pudgy. In DAYD, Hannah's supermodel hotness was concealed by the school robes, which made her - but none of the other girls - look fat, and Neville replaces all of his fat with muscle, helped by him being [[{{Gorn}} starved for weeks as part of a punishment]].
* RapeAsDrama: It's never explicitly stated, but the bruises and bite marks that Crabbe and Goyle left all over [[spoiler:Lavender]]'s body would lead you to this conclusion.
** This work treats assault on [[spoiler:Lavender]] just as seriously as most of its other material, and that episode doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story. So the trope about playing up a sexual assault for dramatic value doesn't apply here.
*** That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
** This work treats assault on [[spoiler:Lavender]] just as seriously as most of its other material, and that episode doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story. So the trope about playing up a sexual assault for dramatic value doesn't apply here.
*** That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
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*** But DAYD's tortures and deaths everywhere aren't canonical.
**** They are canon-compliant. JKR mentioned "50 dead" and listed only about a dozen adults participating in the battle. You do the math.
**** They are canon-compliant. JKR mentioned "50 dead" and listed only about a dozen adults participating in the battle. You do the math.
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*** But DAYD's tortures and deaths everywhere {{gorn}} everywhere[[hottip:*:That line is said ''before'' the battle'']] aren't canonical.
**** They are canon-compliant. JKR mentioned "50 dead" and listed only about a dozen adults participating in the battle. You do the math.canonical.
**** They are canon-compliant. JKR mentioned "50 dead" and listed only about a dozen adults participating in the battle. You do the math.
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** Given that half the point of the novel is DA's Training from Hell, the above statement looks like Complaining About Books You Don't Read.
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* {{Gorn}}: Doesn't even begin to describe the Battle of Hogwarts. Gory descriptions include a girl being slashed to bloody shreds by a curse, [[spoiler: Lavender]] having her throat torn and mangled, a giant crushing a student like jelly, and [[spoiler: Michael]]'s head smashed open so his exposed brain gleams white.
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* {{Gorn}}: Doesn't even begin to describe the Battle of Hogwarts. Gory descriptions include a girl being slashed to bloody shreds by a curse, [[spoiler: Lavender]] having her throat torn and mangled, a giant crushing a student like jelly, and [[spoiler: Michael]]'s head smashed open so his exposed brain gleams white. white.
** Or it could be an anviliscious "War is Hell" message. If this was a book about WWII, this level of violence would be expected.
** Or it could be an anviliscious "War is Hell" message. If this was a book about WWII, this level of violence would be expected.
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* HollywoodHomely: In the books, both Neville and Hannah are a bit pudgy. In DAYD, Hannah's supermodel hotness was concealed by the school robes, which made her - but none of the other girls - look fat, and Neville replaces all of his fat with muscle, helped by him being [[{{Gorn}} starved for weeks as part of a punishment]].
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* RapeAsDrama: It's never explicitly stated, but the bruises and bite marks that Crabbe and Goyle left all over [[spoiler:Lavender]]'s body would lead you to this conclusion.
** This work treats assault on [[spoiler:Lavender]] just as seriously as most of its other material, and that episode doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story. So the trope about playing up a sexual assault for dramatic value doesn't apply here.
*** That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
** This work treats assault on [[spoiler:Lavender]] just as seriously as most of its other material, and that episode doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story. So the trope about playing up a sexual assault for dramatic value doesn't apply here.
*** That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: Hannah Abbot (Neville's future wife) tries to set him on fire and then throws several potted plants at him (one of which suffocates him to unconsciousness, while she does nothing to stop it). All this because of a bad case of PoorCommunicationKills leading her to believe he was making out with Ginny--even though Hannah and Neville aren't even ''dating''. [[MoralDissonance This is supposed to be justified by the "fact" that]] [[UnfortunateImplications girls are just crazy like that.]]
* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: Hannah Abbot (Neville's future wife) tries to set him on fire and then throws several potted plants at him (one of which suffocates him to unconsciousness, while she does nothing to stop it). All this because of a bad case of PoorCommunicationKills leading her to believe he was making out with Ginny--even though Hannah and Neville aren't even ''dating''. [[MoralDissonance This is supposed to be justified by the "fact" that]] [[UnfortunateImplications girls are just crazy like that.]]
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* AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale: Hannah Abbot (Neville's future wife) tries to set him on fire and then throws several potted plants at him (one of which suffocates him to unconsciousness, while she does nothing to stop it). All this because of a bad case of PoorCommunicationKills leading her to believe he was making out with Ginny--even though Hannah and Neville aren't even ''dating''. [[MoralDissonance This is supposed to be justified by the "fact" that]] [[UnfortunateImplications girls are just crazy like that.]]
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***He "keeps the students safe" with torture and active murder attempts. The tortures are so bad there's attempts at mercy killing afterwards. It's ''not'' justified. At all.
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***He "keeps the students safe" with torture and active murder attempts. The tortures are so bad there's attempts at mercy killing afterwards. It's ''not'' justified. At all. all.
** HP canon includes the quote about Carrows being "far worse" than Umbridge. That's the woman who used torture during detentions and imposed martial law. With this background set by JKR, the author here didn't have any room to make Snape a "nice guy" if he wanted to be true to HP canon.
** HP canon includes the quote about Carrows being "far worse" than Umbridge. That's the woman who used torture during detentions and imposed martial law. With this background set by JKR, the author here didn't have any room to make Snape a "nice guy" if he wanted to be true to HP canon.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: On TWO OCCASIONS, Thanfiction [[HurtComfortFic has rape victims, shortly after their rape, comforted by sexualised acts initiated by men]]. It's a throwaway line in DAYD itself, where, just after her rape is avenged [[hottip:*:without consulting or involving her, and ignoring her fears about her family]] by the men, [[spoiler:Lavender]] is found having sex with her boyfriend. The one shot ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475729/1/More_Realer More Realer]]'' is worse: In DAYD's sequel, ''Sluagh'', [[spoiler: Hermione]] spends about 5 chapters being tortured and raped, [[BloodierAndGorier described in graphic detail]], finally setting herself on fire to escape (she got better). In the one-shot, [[spoiler: Ron]] basically forces himself on her, and she accepts this, because up to that point, he'd been patient about her request not to have sex. She's flinching away, but he just keeps massaging her shoulders, applying sensual kisses, and all sorts of things, all without her consent. Ugh!
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* [[JerkSue Jerk Sue]]/[[MartyStu Marty Stu]]: Neville. Some of the things he does include:
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* [[JerkSue Jerk Sue]]/[[MartyStu Marty Stu]]: Neville.YourMileageMayVary, but Neville at least has many aspects of these. Some of the things he does include:
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* JerkSue/MartyStu: [[JerkSue Jerk Sue]]/[[MartyStu Marty Stu]]: Neville. Some of the things he does include:
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://nevermore999.livejournal.com/88510.html been]] [[http://nevermore999.livejournal.com/93451.html seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and going against canon.
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* HypeBacklash: In-progress. Much more criticism of the story has [[http://nevermore999.livejournal.com/88510.html been]] [[http://nevermore999.livejournal.com/93451.html [[http://www.journalfen.net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+Sporking&filter=all been seen]] as of late, including on our own recommendations page. Criticisms include sexism, MartyStu-ing Neville, other people acting OutOfCharacter, the DarkerAndEdgier content being gratuitous, characters carrying the IdiotBall, and going against canon.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: For some, DAYD is an epic, realistic portrayal of what the battle must have been like for the DA under a Voldemort-controlled Hogwarts. [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/the_hms_stfu/475149.html#cutid1 For others, it is a horribly unrealistic sexist fic]] that takes {{Darker and Edgier}} {{Beyond the Impossible}} and turns Neville into an OutOfCharacter GaryStu of epic proportions.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: For some, DAYD is an epic, realistic portrayal of what the battle must have been like for the DA under a Voldemort-controlled Hogwarts. [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/the_hms_stfu/475149.html#cutid1 net/tools/memories.bml?user=nevermore&keyword=DAYD+Sporking&filter=all For others, it is a horribly unrealistic sexist fic]] that takes {{Darker and Edgier}} {{Beyond the Impossible}} and turns Neville into an OutOfCharacter GaryStu of epic proportions.
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* JerkSue/MartyStu: Neville. Some of the things he does include:
** Both he and Colin think that when Colin and Dennis Creevey go home for the holidays, they'll find their parents murdered, but [[IdiotBall he doesn't bother to stop them or give them any protection]]. After they go home and find their parents murdered, the Creeveys go on the run, and end up hiding at their muggle friend's house. Neville and Co. go to rescue them, Colin is bleeding to death from being splinched, but they escape, with the muggle helping as best he can as Death Eaters begin breaking in. Despite him being ''right there next to them'', they don't bother to take said muggle with them. Later, as Colin recovers from nearly dying, Neville berates him for having nearly died while being part of Neville's grand cunning plan, to the point that Colin breaks down in tears.
**Is the personal target for [[CharacterDerailment Snape's murder schemes]], even while his grand tactical genius means that he's made it that ''noone can ever, under any circumstances, find out or tell anyone who's in Dumbledore's Army'' using a NewPowersAsThePlotDemands version of the Fidelius charm.
** [[CharacterDerailment Becomes instantly self-confident,]] delivering a speech at the start that wins everyone over to the DA instantly.
**And if that's not bad enough, in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475647/1/Too_Little_Too_Late this one-shot]], Ginny ''[[ShillingTheWesley outright states]]'' that Harry Potter wasn't a hero, and she made a mistake choosing him over the true hero, Neville Longbottom.
** Both he and Colin think that when Colin and Dennis Creevey go home for the holidays, they'll find their parents murdered, but [[IdiotBall he doesn't bother to stop them or give them any protection]]. After they go home and find their parents murdered, the Creeveys go on the run, and end up hiding at their muggle friend's house. Neville and Co. go to rescue them, Colin is bleeding to death from being splinched, but they escape, with the muggle helping as best he can as Death Eaters begin breaking in. Despite him being ''right there next to them'', they don't bother to take said muggle with them. Later, as Colin recovers from nearly dying, Neville berates him for having nearly died while being part of Neville's grand cunning plan, to the point that Colin breaks down in tears.
**Is the personal target for [[CharacterDerailment Snape's murder schemes]], even while his grand tactical genius means that he's made it that ''noone can ever, under any circumstances, find out or tell anyone who's in Dumbledore's Army'' using a NewPowersAsThePlotDemands version of the Fidelius charm.
** [[CharacterDerailment Becomes instantly self-confident,]] delivering a speech at the start that wins everyone over to the DA instantly.
**And if that's not bad enough, in [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475647/1/Too_Little_Too_Late this one-shot]], Ginny ''[[ShillingTheWesley outright states]]'' that Harry Potter wasn't a hero, and she made a mistake choosing him over the true hero, Neville Longbottom.
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* HollywoodHomely: In the books, both Neville and Hannah are a bit pudgy. In DAYD, Hannah's supermodel hotness was concealed by the school robes, which made her - but none of the other girls - look fat, and Neville replaces all of his fat with muscle, helped by him being [[{{Gorn}} starved for weeks as part of a punishment]].
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Has both an active {{Fandom}} and an active {{Hatedom}}.
[[http://www.journalfen.net/community/the_hms_stfu/498932.html Here's]] the main reason for the Hatedom.
[[http://www.journalfen.net/community/the_hms_stfu/498932.html Here's]] the main reason for the Hatedom.
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Has both an active {{Fandom}} and an active {{Hatedom}}.
{{Hatedom}}. [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/the_hms_stfu/498932.html Here's]] the main reason for the Hatedom.
*** But DAYD's tortures and deaths everywhere aren't canonical.
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** There's a throw-away line in one of the chapters about them starting to actually pay attention in Binns' class and research about how previous battles were won.
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** There's a [[{{Handwave}} throw-away line in one of the chapters chapters]] about them starting to actually pay attention in Binns' class and research about how previous battles were won.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: On TWO OCCASIONS, Thanfiction [[HurtComfortFic has rape victims, shortly after their rape, comforted by sexualised acts initiated by men]]. It's a throwaway line in DAYD itself, where, just after her rape is avenged [[hottip:*:without consulting or involving her, and ignoring her fears about her family]] by the men, [[spoiler:Lavender]] is found having sex with her boyfriend. The one shot ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5475729/1/More_Realer More Realer]]'' is worse: In DAYD's sequel, ''Sluagh'', [[spoiler: Hermione]] spends about 5 chapters being tortured and raped, [[BloodierAndGorier described in graphic detail]], finally setting herself on fire to escape (she got better). In the one-shot, [[spoiler: Ron]] basically forces himself on her, and she accepts this, because up to that point, he'd been patient about her request not to have sex. She's flinching away, but he just keeps massaging her shoulders, applying sensual kisses, and all sorts of things, all without her consent. Ugh!
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***That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOf Revenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
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***That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOf Revenge, RoaringRampageOfRevenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
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***That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact.
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***That it doesn't play a major role in the rest of the story ''heightens'' its RapeAsDrama credentials. Why is it in there? It serves no purpose in the story, hence, it's added solely for dramatic impact. Hell, the description of RapeAsDrama says "All too often, it's a case of the DisposableWoman becoming the DistressedDamsel (or even getting StuffedIntoTheFridge) to [[ItsPersonal motivate the male vigilante]]" - and that's exactly what happens. It sets Neville and Co. off on a RoaringRampageOf Revenge, and then, a man having solved it for her, it never comes up again. At least the much more graphic, several-chapter-long rape and torture of Hermione in ''Slaugh'' is the main point of the story, though that fits under [[{{Gorn}} other]] [[BloodierAndGorier tropes]].
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***He "keeps the students safe" with torture and active murder attempts. The tortures are so bad there's attempts at mercy killing afterwards. It's ''not'' justified. At all.
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Here's the reason for the Hatedom:
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[ FEMALE CHARACTER ]
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_NO_/<u> ? </u>\___YES
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[RAPE!] ------->|
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[Learns to ]-| / \
[accept ] /Wants\
[MAN CONTROL] NO_/<u>Babies?</u>\_YES_
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--[ONE OF]-- |
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(DIES)(EVIL!) [LEARNS ] |
[POWER OF]->|
[PENIS! ] |
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/ \
/ ? \
/WHICH\
[Can't]____/<u>TRAGEDY</u>\____( Dies )
[have ] | | (Before/After)
[baby ] | | ( Birth )
| (MOAR) |
[MAN!] (RAPE) |
| (Is Irish )
(Has baby) (character )
(written by )
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/ \
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/ \
/PASSIVE\
_NO_/<u> ? </u>\___YES
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[RAPE!] ------->|
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[Learns to ]-| / \
[accept ] /Wants\
[MAN CONTROL] NO_/<u>Babies?</u>\_YES_
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--[ONE OF]-- |
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(DIES)(EVIL!) [LEARNS ] |
[POWER OF]->|
[PENIS! ] |
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/ \
/ ? \
/WHICH\
[Can't]____/<u>TRAGEDY</u>\____( Dies )
[have ] | | (Before/After)
[baby ] | | ( Birth )
| (MOAR) |
[MAN!] (RAPE) |
| (Is Irish )
(Has baby) (character )
(written by )
(Thanfiction)
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[Learns to ]-| / \
[accept ] /Wants\
[MAN CONTROL] NO_/<u>Babies?</u>\_YES_
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--[ONE OF]-- |
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(DIES)(EVIL!) [LEARNS ] |
[POWER OF]->|
[PENIS! ] |
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/ \
/ ? \
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[have ] | | (Before/After)
[baby ] | | ( Birth )
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[ FEMALE CHARACTER ]
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[RAPE!] ------->|
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[accept ] /Wants\
[MAN CONTROL] NO_/<u>Babies?</u>\_YES_
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--[ONE OF]-- |
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(DIES)(EVIL!) [LEARNS ] |
[POWER OF]->|
[PENIS! ] |
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/ \
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/WHICH\
[Can't]____/<u>TRAGEDY</u>\____( Dies )
[have ] | | (Before/After)
[baby ] | | ( Birth )
| (MOAR) |
[MAN!] (RAPE) |
| (Is Irish )
(Has baby) (character )
(written by )
(Thanfiction)
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