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** The thinness of the line between civilization and barbarism which all people and cultures walk. The Minbari were seen as an enlightened civilization in their region of space between their technological supremacy, their age and their contact with the Vorlorns, but their pride and passions could overwhelm their reason, and many races and civilization found themselves disillusioned when the Minbari completely flip their lid over the Earthers' accidental killing of Durkat (their greatest leader in generations) and responding with their genocidal war against the Earth Alliance. Meanwhile, the United Federation of Planets, for all their legitimate advancement, still struggles with the impulse to not use their overwhelming firepower and technological supremacy to force other races and star nations to toe by their will, while the Klingons had to struggle with their character as a ProudWarriorRace, which is growing to become a liability that left them unable to compete with the Federation and feared and hated by everyone with their martial and imperialistic ways. Even the elder races such as the Vorlorns and Metrons are not exempt from this, with the Vorlorns' faults being portrayed in full as making them little better than a race of AbusivePrecursor who are willing to dominate and destroy any younger race who deviate from their way of the universe, and the Metrons, while way better than the Vorlorns, are still willing to threaten to start a war on an unthinkable scale just to protect their charges in the Alpha Quadrant from Vorlorn interference. When and where do people and civilizations cross the line is a oft-repeated question throughout the story.
** OrderVersusChaos: Both the younger and elder races and civilizations of the Star Trek and Babylon 5 universes are compared and contrasted in this light. The 'Collaboration of Elder Races' such as the Metrons and the Medusans watching over the Alpha Quadrant embodies 'Chaos' with their hands-off approach to guiding younger civilization, refusing to interfere and mess with the development of younger races and letting them rise and fall on their own accord with occasional light input, while the Vorlorns in the B5-verse region of space embodies the 'Order' side of the divide with their hands-on approach, genetically and culturally manipulating whole races to achieve results they feel 'optimal'. Throughout the story Alpha Quadrant precursors and younger races' 'Chaotic' approach is portrayed in a much better light than the B5-verse elders, giving them freedom and dynamism which allow them progress socially and technologically at rates which leave the B5-verse civilizations in the dust, while the borderline ControlFreak methods used by the Vorlorns left the B5-verse civilizations and even themselves reactionary and stagnant. That is not to say the answer is clear-cut: the Shadows' social-darwinist approach to growth of races and civilization (by promoting conflict everywhere to weed out the weak and empower the strong) is portrayed as doing more harm than good, something which [[HeelRealization they come to recognize]] themselves. Even so, the Alpha Quadrant's approach is ultimately shown to be more correct than that of the B5-verse's approach.
** The thinness of the line between civilization and barbarism which all people and cultures walk. The Minbari were seen as an enlightened civilization in their region of space between their technological supremacy, their age and their contact with the Vorlorns, but their pride and passions could overwhelm their reason, and many races and civilization found themselves disillusioned when the Minbari completely flip their lid over the Earthers' accidental killing of Durkat (their greatest leader in generations) and responding with their genocidal war against the Earth Alliance. Meanwhile, the United Federation of Planets, for all their legitimate advancement, still struggles with the impulse to not use their overwhelming firepower and technological supremacy to force other races and star nations to toe by their will, while the Klingons had to struggle with their character as a ProudWarriorRace, which is growing to become a liability that left them unable to compete with the Federation and feared and hated by everyone with their martial and imperialistic ways. Even the elder races such as the Vorlorns and Metrons are not exempt from this, with the Vorlorns' faults being portrayed in full as making them little better than a race of AbusivePrecursor who are willing to dominate and destroy any younger race who deviate from their way of the universe, and the Metrons, while way better than the Vorlorns, are still willing to threaten to start a war on an unthinkable scale just to protect their charges in the Alpha Quadrant from Vorlorn interference. When and where do people and civilizations cross the line is a oft-repeated question throughout the story.
** OrderVersusChaos: Both the younger and elder races and civilizations of the Star Trek and Babylon 5 universes are compared and contrasted in this light. The 'Collaboration of Elder Races' such as the Metrons and the Medusans watching over the Alpha Quadrant embodies 'Chaos' with their hands-off approach to guiding younger civilization, refusing to interfere and mess with the development of younger races and letting them rise and fall on their own accord with occasional light input, while the Vorlorns in the B5-verse region of space embodies the 'Order' side of the divide with their hands-on approach, genetically and culturally manipulating whole races to achieve results they feel 'optimal'. Throughout the story Alpha Quadrant precursors and younger races' 'Chaotic' approach is portrayed in a much better light than the B5-verse elders, giving them freedom and dynamism which allow them progress socially and technologically at rates which leave the B5-verse civilizations in the dust, while the borderline ControlFreak methods used by the Vorlorns left the B5-verse civilizations and even themselves reactionary and stagnant. That is not to say the answer is clear-cut: the Shadows' social-darwinist approach to growth of races and civilization (by promoting conflict everywhere to weed out the weak and empower the strong) is portrayed as doing more harm than good, something which [[HeelRealization they come to recognize]] themselves. Even so, the Alpha Quadrant's approach is ultimately shown to be more correct than that of the B5-verse's approach.
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* DroppedABridgeOnHim: Poor Alyt Aalaan was mentioned as a notable commander among the first Minbari casualties in the opening shots of the 'Third Battle of Jericho'.
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* TheFundamentalist: The Ashen, an offshoot of the Minbari which the Vorlorn saved from Minbar during ancient times before they were annihilated by rival tribes, genetically enhanced and given advanced technology, and were told that they were the 'warriors of light' who exists, are all this by default, practically worshipping the Vorlorns as gods and nearly all are willing to die to destroy the enemies of light (i.e. any alien culture the Vorlorn deems too dangerous or potentially pawns of the Shadows). They are so fanatical in fact it unnerves their Minbari cousins and even the Vorlorns, to the point they deem them too uncontrollable to be relied on, and this fanaticism causes as much harm as it contributed to the Minbari's cause.
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* GuileHero: Commodore Acaltha of Starfleet, full-stop. Imaginative, cunning and occasionally ruthless, Acaltha was able to use a brilliant combination of trickery, technology and tactics to defeat the Minbari despite often being outgunned and even outnumbered by the Minbari in multiple battles, seeking every fatal flaw of Minbari ships, doctrines and mentalities and squeezing every advantage out of them for all they are worth by anticipating how they would act or react and planning accordingly. Even General Chang of the Klingon Empire was impressed by him and his conduct of war, seeing him as one of the few Federation commanders actually worthy of his respect. As Acaltha explained to one of his subordinate commanders, war is like a 4D-chess game, and as with those games, it is paramount to be ahead of the enemy not just one step, or two steps, but every single step of the way.
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* StealthInSpace: Multiple variants were featured in this story, both from sides of the conflict surprisingly enough.
** The Klingons' cloaked warships wreaked absolute havoc in convoy raiding and set-piece engagements against the Minbari, who have never encountered such unnatural technology before and had no way of defending against it. Later on, the Minbari found ways to detect them by crisscrossing space with tachyon beams, but this come with downside of presenting the Klingons with extra emissions their weapons could track and target.
** The Vorlorns, as part of their help to the Minbari, later gave the Minbari an enormous controlled '[[https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Space_amoeba Space Amoeba]]' creature like the one Captain Kirk had encountered during his famous five-year expedition into space, which generates a ''fleet-sized'' cloaking field enabling a Minbari taskforce to sneak up on and ambush a Federation/Klingon fleet at the Jericho system.
** In earlier battles for the control of the Jericho system, Commodore Acaltha had been able to achieve stealth in space without a cloaking device simply by having his taskforce positioned in places where the Minbari, or any of the B5-verse powers would be able to scan or travel to due to their technological limitations, such as hiding within the atmosphere of a gas giant, the electromagnetic emissions of which makes it a 'sensor-mess' even by Federation standards, or hiding his fleet in the Oort Cloud of the Jericho system, which is too far away for the limited propulsion systems of the B5-powers to be bothered searching to begin with.
** The Klingons' cloaked warships wreaked absolute havoc in convoy raiding and set-piece engagements against the Minbari, who have never encountered such unnatural technology before and had no way of defending against it. Later on, the Minbari found ways to detect them by crisscrossing space with tachyon beams, but this come with downside of presenting the Klingons with extra emissions their weapons could track and target.
** The Vorlorns, as part of their help to the Minbari, later gave the Minbari an enormous controlled '[[https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Space_amoeba Space Amoeba]]' creature like the one Captain Kirk had encountered during his famous five-year expedition into space, which generates a ''fleet-sized'' cloaking field enabling a Minbari taskforce to sneak up on and ambush a Federation/Klingon fleet at the Jericho system.
** In earlier battles for the control of the Jericho system, Commodore Acaltha had been able to achieve stealth in space without a cloaking device simply by having his taskforce positioned in places where the Minbari, or any of the B5-verse powers would be able to scan or travel to due to their technological limitations, such as hiding within the atmosphere of a gas giant, the electromagnetic emissions of which makes it a 'sensor-mess' even by Federation standards, or hiding his fleet in the Oort Cloud of the Jericho system, which is too far away for the limited propulsion systems of the B5-powers to be bothered searching to begin with.
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->''"We're only, at best, half civilized. This thin veneer of civilization we share is the only imaginary line that keeps us from acting out our own darkest impulses. It allows our 'humanity' to resist justifying butchery. You call yourselves civilized, but you're tottering on the brink mindless savagery just to satisfy your egos. Yes, we are aware of what is happening right now at Earth. Right now, your people are desperately trying to force your way to Earth. To do what? Kill in the name God-in this case a memory of a leader you revered. But, instead of asking that a world be sacrificed, you can exercise your civilized ideals and say 'stop'."''
-->-- '''Admiral James T Kirk''', to '''[[spoiler:Satai Delenn]]'''
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* HeelFaceDoorSlam: Alyt Aalaan is presented as a much more reasonable, cool-headed and competent commander among the Minbari who is neither arrogant nor narrow-minded as his colleagues, and might have eventually come to see the folly of the war and the Minbari's cause... then came the news that [[ArchEnemy the]] [[AbusivePrecursors Shadows]] are real and have made contact with the Federation at their space station in Becerra Alpha One, along with information concerning Alpha Quadrant ways of life such as tolerance for alien hybrids. The horrifying revelation of the Shadows' existence and his instinctive fear and ingrained cultural attitudes made him, like many other Minbari, to immediately double down on their support for the genocidal war, either out of the belief that the Shadows had or would corrupt the Federation or that they cannot have peace with such a 'degenerate' alien culture as the Federation. The 'Third Battle of Jericho' put an end to any hope of Aalaan pulling a HeelFaceTurn completely, with Alyt Aalaan being among the first casualties in the terrible battle which followed.
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* LastStand: The Battle of Minbar, following the disastrous Minbari defeat at the Third Battle of Jericho, with the Minbari's realization that they simply cannot fight the Federation and Klingons even with the help of their Ashen brethren and decides to concentrate what remained of their military force at Minbar for a decisive battle, where they hope to either pull a win and cripple the Federation/Empire/Alliance forces and turn the war around, or go out fighting to the bitter end as a people. [[spoiler:The subsequent ceasefire with the Federation/Empire/Alliance and EnemyCivilWar between the Minbari and the Ashen [[UnderStatement complicated the plan somewhat]]]].
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* WeHaveBecomeComplacent: Throughout the fic many characters both within and outside Minbar had noted that a thousand years of technological supremacy and having no equals to watch out for or fight against had caused the Minbari to become complacent, leaving them completely wrong-footed when the even more advanced and battle-hardened Federation and the Klingons arrived to help the Earth Alliance and give them a fighting chance. Minbari commanders such as Alyt Sarhat and Shaka repeatedly found themselves falling into traps and to strategems created by cunning, experienced and imaginative commanders such as [[GuileHero Commodore]] [[TheStrategist Acaltha]] and getting their fleets decimated if not outright destroyed by technologically-superior forces despite outgunning and outnumbering the enemy by a considerable margin, while Minbari commanders such as Alyt Aalaan and Alyt Darcannon stand out among the Minbari for noticing and trying to remedy this and make them more dangerous opponents for the Alliance/Federation/Empire.
** Characters from the Alpha Quadrant are also aware of this possibility and remain vigilant to avoid falling into the same trap. At several points several Federation characters complain about how certain politicians back home - whom they derisively dubbed the 'Peace At Any Price' Party or PAAPers - wanted to effectively gut Starfleet with budget cuts and restrictions on weaponry as soon as the peace treaty with the Klingon Empire is concluded, and was only prevented from doing so by the outbreak of hostilities with the Minbari. Also, the only times the Minbari achieve any notable victories against the factions from Star Trek was when they left their guard down, from Klingon bloodlust and resulting carelessness in convoy raids and boarding actions resulting in ships and crews suffering preventable losses, to a whole Federation fleet being trapped between a planet and a Minbari fleet and getting wiped out late in the war.
** Characters from the Alpha Quadrant are also aware of this possibility and remain vigilant to avoid falling into the same trap. At several points several Federation characters complain about how certain politicians back home - whom they derisively dubbed the 'Peace At Any Price' Party or PAAPers - wanted to effectively gut Starfleet with budget cuts and restrictions on weaponry as soon as the peace treaty with the Klingon Empire is concluded, and was only prevented from doing so by the outbreak of hostilities with the Minbari. Also, the only times the Minbari achieve any notable victories against the factions from Star Trek was when they left their guard down, from Klingon bloodlust and resulting carelessness in convoy raids and boarding actions resulting in ships and crews suffering preventable losses, to a whole Federation fleet being trapped between a planet and a Minbari fleet and getting wiped out late in the war.
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* CharacterDevelopment: Several on both sides of the war, but a notable example is a Minbari commander named Chaka. When he is first introduced, he is an arrogant, hotheaded bigot who is completely assured of the superiority of the Minbari and the barbarity of his opponents. After spending almost a month on the receiving end of Commander Acaltha's trolling and having the one sided battles rubbed in his face, he is still hotheaded, but starts to realize that the Federation may not be the barbarians that he had believed, and eventually [[spoiler: sacrifices his ship to protect Uhura's ship from the Ashen after a ceasefire is declared, partially to maintain the ceasefire, but also because he realized the Ashen were far more of a danger to his people than the Federation was. It was still an impulsive action spurred by anger, but not one fueled by his own arrogance.]]
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* CharacterDevelopment: Several on both sides of the war, but a notable example is a Minbari commander named Chaka.Shaka. When he is first introduced, he is an arrogant, hotheaded bigot who is completely assured of the superiority of the Minbari and the barbarity of his opponents. After spending almost a month on the receiving end of Commander Acaltha's trolling and having the one sided battles rubbed in his face, he is still hotheaded, but starts to realize that the Federation may not be the barbarians that he had believed, and eventually [[spoiler: sacrifices his ship to protect Uhura's ship from the Ashen after a ceasefire is declared, partially to maintain the ceasefire, but also because he realized the Ashen were far more of a danger to his people than the Federation was. It was still an impulsive action spurred by anger, but not one fueled by his own arrogance.]]
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* DespairEventHorizon: Up until the Third Battle of Jericho, the Minbari still believed with Ashen and Vorlorn help, they might still be able to prevail against the Federation, the Klingon Empire and the Earth Alliance in spite of the heavy losses they had suffered. Even after losing THAT battle, they still believed that they could turn things around by concentrating all their remaining forces at Minbar and bleed out the enemy coalition with a 'decisive battle'. They however finally crossed it by the time of the 'Ceasefire', as it finally dawned upon all the Minbari people that they cannot win the war.
* EnemyCivilWar: [[spoiler: Between theAschen Ashen and the Minbari, as of chapter 79.]]79, over severe disagreements regarding the Minbari's ceasefire with the Federation, Klingons and the Earth Alliance, beginning with Alyt Shaka and his squadron opening fire upon an Ashen squadron about to attack Uhura's ship performing reconnaissance (and being insulted by the Ashen captain), causing the growing tensions between the two peoples to boil over. By the time the civil war ended, much of civilization on Mnibar was levelled and 80% of the Minbari population were wiped out by urban warfare and orbital bombardment in less than six hours, while the Ashen forces and fleet were completely wiped out by both the Minbari and the arriving Federation/Klingon/Alliance forces]]
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* FusionFic: Between Babylon 5 and Star Trek. What made ''"A Thin Veneer"'' this instead of a crossover between parallel universes is that the Earth Alliance and the Babylon 5 setting actually exists in the same galaxy as the United Federation of Planets and Star Trek setting, albeit separated by 60,000 light-years of space. This was cited as possible result of astro/social-cultural engineering on a colossal scale by ancient Precursors even older and more powerful than the Vorlorns and Shadows, possibly the same ones who also built the Hyperspace Tunnels which connected the two regions of the galaxy and even now still move, if not outright ''copy'', whole planets and their inhabitants through those transit ways. While the EA Humans and other B5-verse characters were completely bewildered and stupefied by this, Federation and other ST-verse characters merely reacted with mild surprise and curiosity, since Starfleet had encountered copies of the Solar System and astronomically displaced Human populations before, whether discovered by USS Enterprise and other ships, and had already started suspecting this by the time the Federation/Klingon-Minbari War began.
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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: How Chang sees Kirk and boy, does this ever gall him. It seems to be the core of Chang’s IdiotBall, when he first hints, in Kirk’s face during a press conference no less, at having been behind the events of Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock and thus David’s death, then taking stupid risks to earn glory in order to surpass Kirk that end up not paying off.
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* AdaptationOriginConnection: Chang is revealed to have been the one who assigned [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock Kruge]] to obtain Genesis, and was quite upset, mostly at himself, for choosing such an incompetent.
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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: Delenn in particular tries to reason with Kirk to stand down by arguing that humanity is too advanced to be trusted with the technology they wield and should accept the 'guidance' of the Vorlons and the destruction of the 'local' Earth. Kirk refuses to countenance the destruction of this Earth and rejects the idea of accepting peace by condoning butchery.
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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: Delenn in particular tries to reason with Kirk to stand down by arguing that humanity is too isn't advanced enough to be trusted with the technology they wield and should accept the 'guidance' of the Vorlons and the destruction of the 'local' Earth. Kirk refuses to countenance the destruction of this Earth and rejects the idea of accepting peace by condoning butchery. butchery, to say nothing of the Federation as a whole rejecting the idea that they abandon their dream of coming together with other races in exchange for the 'honour' of being slaves to the Vorlons.
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Also supplemental chapters can be found [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3248786/1/A-Thin-Veneer-supplements here]].
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* NoSell: When the ''Excelsior'' arrives in orbit of Earth, the ship is battered by nuclear missiles as part of a panicked attempt at defence before they realise that it's an unfamiliar vessel, and when the barrage ceases to reveal that the ''Excelsior'' is undamaged, Sulu nonchalantly hails Earth to ask if they've finished firing and 'politely' request that they not attack his ship again.
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* LadyOfWar: A hilarious CallBack to Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock, Uhura has become the captain of the USS Knowles, and the loud mouthed ensign from the transporter room who was more concerned with the [[CoolOldLady granny]] portion gets stepped on rather firmly when she reminds him of the [[TheCaptain badass]] part.
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* ItsAllAboutMe: When the Minbari learn that Kirk has been promoted to Admiral, they assume that this is solely because of his recent victory over their forces, when in reality Kirk has just been returned to a previously-lost rank as the closest thing Starfleet has to a genuine military commander based on his long experience.
* LadyOfWar: A hilarious CallBack toFilm/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock, ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'', Uhura has become the captain of the USS Knowles, and the loud mouthed ensign from the transporter room who was more concerned with the [[CoolOldLady granny]] portion gets stepped on rather firmly when she reminds him of the [[TheCaptain badass]] part.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: As part of the new Federation/Klingon alliance, Kor assures Kirk that he and other Klingons condemn Kurge's actions on Genesis and regret that Kirk lost his son in such a manner.
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* {{Understatement}}: When Sarek is talking with President Elizabeth Levy and she asks him what it's like living with a human, he acknowledges that it is fascinating and confesses "My logic is uncertain when it comes to she who is my wife", prompting President Levy to privately muse that, regardless of the limited time she has spent with the Vulcan, even a blind man could see that Sarek loves his wife.
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* IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance: A major weakness of the Minbari early in the conflict is that they constantly judge the Federation by their own standards, unable to conceive of the idea of the Federation as a mixture of species where all are treated as equals and assuming that the Federation's powerful ships require more regular maintenance than they actually do.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A Starfleet commander wonders how far their morals have fallen when she almost destroys a refugee ship of telepaths wanting to escape the Psi-Corps' grasp. To be fair, they were acting very suspicious (because they didn't want to be sent back or treated as cannon fodder), but it still doesn't help matters.
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* ToBeLawfulOrGood: Discussed by Valeris and Kirk. The two converse about whether their involvement in the Earth-Minbari War constituted a violation of the Prime Directive. Kirk eventually states that the Prime Directive was "Not written with a finger of flame on the walls, 'Thou Shall Not Butt In'", and that sometimes there are moral imperatives more important than the written law, something Kirk is very familiar with.
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* CultureClash: The races of Babylon 5 have a wide range of mixed reactions to the Federation, especially over the multi-species members of the Federation peacefully coexisting.
** The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers." Generally the Babylon 5 races all wonder how a collective of countless alien races are able to work together without falling into racial strife and divisions.
** The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers." Generally the Babylon 5 races all wonder how a collective of countless alien races are able to work together without falling into racial strife and divisions.
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* FakeUltimateHero: [[spoiler:William Clark is celebrated by the Earth Alliance public as a hero for sacrificing his life to save civilians on Titan, when in reality he was saving his own ass at the expense of others.]]
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* AwakeningTheSleepingGiant: The Minbari's murder of twenty five million beings from several major nations in a Pearl Harbor-style attack on a Federation colony brings the Federation, Klingons and Gorn into the Earth/Minbari War with a vengeance.
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** Delenn's conversation with [[spoiler: Jha'dur, AKA Deathwalker]] is very similar in tone to the [[SilenceOfTheLambs conversation between Agent Starling and Dr. Lecter]], even including a jab implying Delenn only got her position because of Dukhat fantasizing about her, much as Lecter implied about Crawford.
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** Delenn's conversation with [[spoiler: Jha'dur, AKA Deathwalker]] is very similar in tone to the [[SilenceOfTheLambs [[Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs conversation between Agent Starling and Dr. Lecter]], even including a jab implying Delenn only got her position because of Dukhat fantasizing about her, much as Lecter implied about Crawford.
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* AlienNonInterferenceClause: The "elder races" such as the Metrons frown on the Vorlons' agenda and warned them not to join in the war against the Federation and their allies, or else. However, the Vorlons seek to find [[LoopholeAbuse a loophole]] such as sending the Ashen to assist the Minbari [[spoiler:and setting up one of their ships to "accidentally" destroy some Federation and Klingon ships. The latter attempt got the Metrons and the rest to seriously remind the Vorlons to understand why they shouldn't have done that.]]
** [[spoiler:The Shadows agreed with the "elder races" in not interfering with the younger races at all because they felt that their ideology is finally validated when the Federation and Klingons first appeared.]]
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* AlienNonInterferenceClause: The "elder races" such as the Metrons frown on the Vorlons' agenda ideological conflict between the Vorlons and Shadows, and warned them not to join in the war against the Federation and their allies, or else. However, the Vorlons seek to find [[LoopholeAbuse a loophole]] such as sending the Ashen to assist the Minbari [[spoiler:and setting up one of their ships to "accidentally" destroy some Federation and Klingon ships. The latter attempt got the Metrons and the rest to seriously remind the Vorlons to understand why they shouldn't have done that.]]
**[[spoiler:The The Shadows agreed with the "elder races" in not interfering with the younger races at all because [[spoiler:because they felt that their ideology is finally validated when the Federation and Klingons first appeared.appeared and have other interests to pursue.]]
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* AlienNonInterferenceClause: The "elder races" such as the Metrons frown on the Vorlons' agenda and warned them not to join in the war against the Federation and their allies, or else. However, the Vorlons seek to find [[LoopholeAbuse a loophole]] such as sending the Ashen to assist the Minbari [[spoiler:and setting up one of their ships to "accidentally" destroy some Federation and Klingon ships. The latter attempt got the Metrons and the rest to seriously remind the Vorlons to understand why they shouldn't have done that.]]
**[[spoiler:The Shadows agreed with the "elder races" in not interfering with the younger races at all because they felt that their ideology is finally validated when the Federation and Klingons first appeared.]]
**[[spoiler:The Shadows agreed with the "elder races" in not interfering with the younger races at all because they felt that their ideology is finally validated when the Federation and Klingons first appeared.]]
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** The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths as they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids exists and that telepaths in the Alpha Quadrant are without government supervision. Psi Corps attempted to recruit (human) Alpha Quadrant telepaths under their belief of 'protecting' them from people who despised them, but only to be rebuke and criticized as self-serving elitists. The Federation's tolerance towards telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek politcl asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation, the Alliance and Psi Corps.
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** The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths as they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids exists and that telepaths in the Alpha Quadrant are without government supervision. Psi Corps attempted to recruit (human) Alpha Quadrant telepaths under their belief of 'protecting' them from people who despised them, but only to be rebuke and criticized as self-serving elitists. The Federation's tolerance towards telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek politcl political asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation, the Alliance and Psi Corps.
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* WinsByDoingAbsolutelyNothing: The Shadows [[spoiler:win their ideological conflict with the Vorlons simply by having the Federation and the Klingons show up, proving(in their eyes) that conflict leads to strength.]]
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* WinsByDoingAbsolutelyNothing: The Shadows [[spoiler:win their ideological conflict with the Vorlons simply by having the Federation and the Klingons show up, proving(in proving (in their eyes) that conflict leads to strength.]]
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** The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths as they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids exists and that telepaths in the Alpha Quadrant are without government supervision. The Federation's tolerance towards telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation, the Alliance and Psi Corps.
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** The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths as they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids exists and that telepaths in the Alpha Quadrant are without government supervision. Psi Corps attempted to recruit (human) Alpha Quadrant telepaths under their belief of 'protecting' them from people who despised them, but only to be rebuke and criticized as self-serving elitists. The Federation's tolerance towards telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek politcl asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation, the Alliance and Psi Corps.
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* CultureClash: The races of Babylon 5 have a wide range of mixed reactions to the Federation, especially over the alien races peacefully coexisting.
** The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers."
** The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths and they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids and that telepaths are without government supervision. The Federation's tolerance for telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation and EA and Psi Corps.
** The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers."
** The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths and they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids and that telepaths are without government supervision. The Federation's tolerance for telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation and EA and Psi Corps.
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* CultureClash: The races of Babylon 5 have a wide range of mixed reactions to the Federation, especially over the alien races members of the Federation peacefully coexisting.
** The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers."
" Generally the Babylon 5 races all wonder how a collective of countless alien races are able to work together without falling into racial strife and divisions.
** The Federation has no problems concerning telepathsand as they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids exists and that telepaths in the Alpha Quadrant are without government supervision. The Federation's tolerance for towards telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation and EA Federation, the Alliance and Psi Corps.
** The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers.
** The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths
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* FakeUltimateHero: [[spoiler:William Clark is celebrated by the Earth Alliance public as a hero for sacrificing his life to save civilians on Titan, when in reality he was saving his own ass.]]
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* FakeUltimateHero: [[spoiler:William Clark is celebrated by the Earth Alliance public as a hero for sacrificing his life to save civilians on Titan, when in reality he was saving his own ass.ass at the expense of others.]]
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* CultureClash: The races of Babylon 5 have a wide range of mixed reactions to the Federation, especially over the alien races peacefully coexisting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers."
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* CultureClash: The races of Babylon 5 have a wide range of mixed reactions to the Federation, especially over the alien races peacefully coexisting.
**The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers." "
**The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths and they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids and that telepaths are without government supervision. The Federation's tolerance for telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation and EA and Psi Corps.
**The Minbari find alien coexistence and InterspeciesRomance utterly barbaric and disgusting. Certain racist members in the Earth Alliance such as William Clark derided Federation humans as "alien lovers.
**The Federation has no problems concerning telepaths and they are socially accepted, whereas the Earth Alliance and Psi Corps are shocked that there are telepathic species such as the Betazoids and that telepaths are without government supervision. The Federation's tolerance for telepaths convinced a group of telepathic refugees to seek asylum in Federation space which sparked a diplomatic dispute between the Federation and EA and Psi Corps.
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* EnemyCivilWar: [[spoiler: between the Aschen and the Minbari, as of chapter 79.]]
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* EnemyCivilWar: [[spoiler: between Between the Aschen and the Minbari, as of chapter 79.]]
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* FakeUltimateHero: [[spoiler:William Clark is celebrated by the Earth Alliance public as a hero for sacrificing his life to save civilians on Titan, when in reality he was saving his own ass.]]
