History FanFic / AThinVeneer

22nd Jul '15 1:16:00 AM SithkingZero
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** The Aschen and the Minbari accuse the Shadows of being this for the Federation, even after the Shadows go on ISN and say that no, they have nothing to do with the Federation, and that they've signed a treaty of non-aggression with them.
22nd Jul '15 1:14:21 AM SithkingZero
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* {{Deconstruction}}: The concept of Minbari "Honor" is quite thoroughly deconstructed, with multiple characters pointing out that there is no "Honor" in slaughtering foes who can't fight back, and many times the Minbari react to any losses with rationalizations and denial. In short, their version of honor tends to come across as a mean-spirited, spoiled bully who complains and whines to Daddy (the Vorlons) when their victims start actually fighting back.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: Alternate Universe Admiral Janeway from the Future warns of four separate threats: The Vorlons, "A race of cyborgs," "Aliens from another universe," and "A hostile government in the Gamma Quadrant." While Kirk and the others of the time ponder over who these enemies could possibly be, hindsight tells the audience that she's referring to (respectively) The Borg, either Species 8472 (AKA The Undine) or the Thirdspace Aliens, and the Dominion.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Alternate Universe Admiral Janeway [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Janeway]] from the Future warns of four separate threats: The Vorlons, "A race of cyborgs," "Aliens from another universe," and "A hostile government in the Gamma Quadrant." While Kirk and the others of the time ponder over who these enemies could possibly be, hindsight tells the audience that she's referring to (respectively) The Borg, either Species 8472 (AKA The Undine) or the Thirdspace Aliens, and the Dominion.
* FusionFicFusionFic: Between Babylon 5 and Star Trek.


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* {{Irony}}: The Federation notes that the Minbari accidentally killing the Clan Leader of one of the Gorn Homeworlds has more than a few similarities to how their war with humanity began- a tragic misunderstanding accidentally killing a highly culturally significant figure, and the nation-state of the cultural figure swearing revenge.


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** Inverted with the Gorn, who grew fascinated with the Federation because the Federation was willing to apologize for its mistakes during First Contact, something that no other alien race had done to them up to that point.
29th Jan '15 5:58:39 AM MiriOhki
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* A conversation between Delenn and [[spoiler: Jha'dur]] borrows much from a conversation between the latter and Commander Sinclair in the episode named after the latter's [[TheRedBaron sobriquet]]. The difference, however, is [[spoiler: The episode of the series used the words to imply that Earth will become the monsters the Dilgar were upon gaining her [[ImmortalityImmorality life serum]], while A Thin Veneer uses the conversation to parallel the Minbari to the Dilgar for use of biological weaponry.]]

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* ** A conversation between Delenn and [[spoiler: Jha'dur]] borrows much from a conversation between the latter and Commander Sinclair in the episode named after the latter's [[TheRedBaron sobriquet]]. The difference, however, is [[spoiler: The episode of the series used the words to imply that Earth will become the monsters the Dilgar were upon gaining her [[ImmortalityImmorality life serum]], while A Thin Veneer uses the conversation to parallel the Minbari to the Dilgar for use of biological weaponry.]]
29th Jan '15 5:58:17 AM MiriOhki
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* A conversation between Delenn and [[spoiler: Jha'dur]] borrows much from a conversation between the latter and Commander Sinclair in the episode named after the latter's [[TheRedBaron sobriquet]]. The difference, however, is [[spoiler: The episode of the series used the words to imply that Earth will become the monsters the Dilgar were upon gaining her [[ImmortalityImmorality life serum]], while A Thin Veneer uses the conversation to parallel the Minbari to the Dilgar for use of biological weaponry.]]
29th Jan '15 5:49:23 AM MiriOhki
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** Delenn's conversation with [[spoiler: Jha'dur, AKA Deathwalker]] is very similar in tone to the [[SilenceOfTheLambs conversation between Agent Starling and Dr. Lecter]], even including a jab implying Delenn only got her position because of Dukhat fantasizing about her, much as Lecter implied about Crawford.
29th Jan '15 5:35:23 AM MiriOhki
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* LightIsNotGood: The Minbari, and very definitely the Vorlons and the Aschen. For all of their preaching about being the light against the Darkness, their attempted genocide of humanity, and their frequent talks later in the series about using biological weaponry put paid to any trace of their benevolence.
2nd May '14 6:24:41 AM SithkingZero
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It describes a war between the [[Series/BabylonFive Minbari Federation]] and the [[Franchise/StarTrek United Federation of Planets]]. In the beginning, a ship from the Earth of Babylon 5 and a Minbari ship chasing it go through a space anomaly. Captain Kirk's ''Enterprise'' finds them. The consequences extend into the next century, and the Vorlons get involved as well -- also as enemies of the Federation.

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It describes a war between the [[Series/BabylonFive Minbari Federation]] and the [[Franchise/StarTrek United Federation of Planets]]. In the beginning, a ship from the Earth of Babylon 5 and a Minbari ship chasing it go through a space anomaly. Captain Kirk's ''Enterprise'' finds them.them before the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon in what would have been ''The Undiscovered Country,'' leading to the Federation and Klingons discovering a hyperspace channel to the home of the Earth Alliance... and bringing down the wraith of the Minbari. The consequences extend into the next century, and the Vorlons get involved as well -- also as enemies of the Federation.
23rd Feb '14 9:48:57 AM SithkingZero
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* CrossOverCrossOver: Between Babylon 5 and Star Trek. While the main focus is on TOS-era Star Trek (in the Movies, sometime during the time period of Star Trek VI), mentions are made of ''Enterprise'' and the animated series, while several viewpoint segments are made from the perspective of ''The Next Generation'' and ''Deep Space Nine'' crew.
** At one point, characters from the author's other series, "Universe of Change," briefly communicate with the Federation of that day.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: Alternate Universe Admiral Janeway from the Future warns of four separate threats: The Vorlons, "A race of cyborgs," "Aliens from another universe," and "A hostile government in the Gamma Quadrant." While Kirk and the others of the time ponder over who these enemies could possibly be, hindsight tells the audience that she's referring to (respectively) The Borg, Species 8472 (AKA The Undine), and the Dominion.

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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Alternate Universe Admiral Janeway from the Future warns of four separate threats: The Vorlons, "A race of cyborgs," "Aliens from another universe," and "A hostile government in the Gamma Quadrant." While Kirk and the others of the time ponder over who these enemies could possibly be, hindsight tells the audience that she's referring to (respectively) The Borg, either Species 8472 (AKA The Undine), Undine) or the Thirdspace Aliens, and the Dominion.
21st Feb '14 7:40:46 AM SithkingZero
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** Dellenn's parents muse briefly on a Centauri that decided to renounce his citizenship to live among the Minbari because he grew infatuated with their culture.
21st Feb '14 7:38:46 AM SithkingZero
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* AlienArtsAreAppreciated: Averted... but justified ''why'' it's inverted. It's rather hard to appreciate alien arts when they're being used as part of a plan to turn ''the entire hull of your ship into a sonic weapon.'' And even barring that, it's mentioned that part of the selection of songs includes Klingon Opera and Bagpipe music... being played at the same time.
** Played straight in other areas. The Federation Ambassador to the Narn likes their food, and the Vree "Master of Sleep" has several sets of sheets for everyone's beds... which all have cartoon dinosaurs on them.



* The title, "A Thin Veneer," also shows up several times, asking the question of exactly how "Civilized" each group in the war is. Are the Minbari, with their CrystalSpiresAndTogas technology, who have launched a genocidal war, civilized? Are the Federation, who for all their good points, still show signs of righteous rage towards old foes and the Minbari? Are the agressive Klingons? Are the Gorn?

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* ** The title, "A Thin Veneer," also shows up several times, asking the question of exactly how "Civilized" each group in the war is. Are the Minbari, with their CrystalSpiresAndTogas technology, who have launched a genocidal war, civilized? Are the Federation, who for all their good points, still show signs of righteous rage towards old foes and the Minbari? Are the agressive Klingons? Are the Gorn?


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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Alternate Universe Admiral Janeway from the Future warns of four separate threats: The Vorlons, "A race of cyborgs," "Aliens from another universe," and "A hostile government in the Gamma Quadrant." While Kirk and the others of the time ponder over who these enemies could possibly be, hindsight tells the audience that she's referring to (respectively) The Borg, Species 8472 (AKA The Undine), and the Dominion.


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** The Gorn call Kirk "Bamboo Warrior," for how he constructed a cannon with nothing but available materials and bamboo.


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** One of the Narn dishes presented to the Federation ambassador is identical to Swedish Meatballs, which was a minor joke in Babylon 5: Every species, no matter what, comes up with a food that is identical to Swedish Meatballs.
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