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** ''Literature/TheImmortals'':
*** In ''Wolf-Speaker'', Lady Yolane is strip mining her fiefdom to sell opals to Carthak, an operation overseen by mages loyal to the Carthaki emperor. Yolane falters when the mages discuss using bloodrain, which will poison the land for miles and kill everything in the vicinity, an effect that will take seven years just to ''start'' fading. Ambitious though she is, she did swear to keep Dunlath safe. Opal profits can keep her people fed even if the mining disrupts their usual livelihood; this magical poison is something else entirely. The mages and her husband wave this concern away, though.
*** Said Carthaki emperor is a FriendToAllLivingThings, provided that they're animals, and takes a genuine close interest in the wellfare of the animals in his collection, particularly the birds. If with all his resources he can't get a given animal to thrive in captivity he has it returned to its place of origin and released. Their health and happiness is paramount and his standard of care is ''very'' high. He's also the BigBad and ''only'' cares about himself and animals. In the earlier-set ''Literature/TheNumairChronicles'' where he [[UsedToBeASweetKid started off as a kinder person]] albeit one with a lot of red flags, poor animal husbandry was a BerserkButton.
** ''Literature/TheImmortals'':
*** In ''Wolf-Speaker'', Lady Yolane is strip mining her fiefdom to sell opals to Carthak, an operation overseen by mages loyal to the Carthaki emperor. Yolane falters when the mages discuss using bloodrain, which will poison the land for miles and kill everything in the vicinity, an effect that will take seven years just to ''start'' fading. Ambitious though she is, she did swear to keep Dunlath safe. Opal profits can keep her people fed even if the mining disrupts their usual livelihood; this magical poison is something else entirely. The mages and her husband wave this concern away, though.
*** Said Carthaki emperor is a FriendToAllLivingThings, provided that they're animals, and takes a genuine close interest in the wellfare of the animals in his collection, particularly the birds. If with all his resources he can't get a given animal to thrive in captivity he has it returned to its place of origin and released. Their health and happiness is paramount and his standard of care is ''very'' high. He's also the BigBad and ''only'' cares about himself and animals. In the earlier-set ''Literature/TheNumairChronicles'' where he [[UsedToBeASweetKid started off as a kinder person]] albeit one with a lot of red flags, poor animal husbandry was a BerserkButton.
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* ''Literature/{{Christine}}'': Buddy Repperton may be a bully, but he will not tolerate racist jokes.
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** The ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' books has the "Emperor's Plague" which only affects humans, but is so horrific even Palpatine didn't want it deployed.
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** The ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' books has the "Emperor's Plague" which only affects humans, but humans. It is so horrific even Palpatine didn't want had the only known samples stored on a depot on an asteroid, then had the coordinates of said asteroid erased, so only he would know where it deployed.was.
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** The ''Literature/YoungJediKnights'' books has the "Emperor's Plague" which only affects humans, but is so horrific even Palpatine didn't want it deployed.
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** In general, the gang is quite accepting of Jackson. Besides the bar scene, at one point Jackson kills the extremely racist "White" Jackson for repeatedly mouthing off at him and the others don't object at all, and even ''Holden'' sticks up for him by explaining in great detail to the ignorant Mexican sargeant what black people are and various anthropological speculations about different races, though he won't include Jackson in the conversation for whatever reason.
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* ''Literature/AtlasShrugged: The [[Franchise/GIJoe Cobra Commander]] Dialogues'': A parody that positions the ArchEnemy of the Joes into Ayn Rand's novel. Much of the humor comes from how even a [[CardCarryingVillain card carrying]] EvilOverlord is appalled by the actions by the Gulchers, especially Dr. Hendricks, who has a miracle cure for strokes he will never share with the outside world purely out of ''spite.''
---> '''Cobra Commander''': I work with arms dealers, con men, mad scientists, and even a man who was literally constructed out of the DNA of all of the worst people in the history of the world. And I have met so many atrocious 'heroes' in my visit through this pathetic ensemble you have assembled and you, sir, are the absolute most horrid human being I have ever met in my entire life. You're not even a person anymore. You are a monster.
---> '''Cobra Commander''': I work with arms dealers, con men, mad scientists, and even a man who was literally constructed out of the DNA of all of the worst people in the history of the world. And I have met so many atrocious 'heroes' in my visit through this pathetic ensemble you have assembled and you, sir, are the absolute most horrid human being I have ever met in my entire life. You're not even a person anymore. You are a monster.
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* While there are dictatorships, communists and fascists, secret polices, many wars, nukes and even worse weapons, the ''Literature/ChaosTimeline'' has no equivalent of [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany The Nazis]] and the Holocaust.
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* ''Literature/{{Deviant}}'': Cerberus might be a group that has very little qualms about mowing down a bunch of gang mooks, but that's about the extent of any activities that could be considered "villainous", as they spend most of their time fighting people ''far'' worse than them. Notably, [[BadPowersBadPeople the Degenerates.]]
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* ''Literature/WhateleyUniverse'':
** One of the very few things that both sides of the powered community agree on is that family is not to be brought into the matter. For villains and heroes, ''their'' life being at risk is one thing -- their ''kids'' being at risk just because of association? That's something else entirely, and people finding out about it is just about guaranteed to draw the ire of the whole community. And threatening the family of a Whateley student? [[spoiler:The ''lucky'' ones are in jail for life. And on life support -- also for life.]]\\
When a ReligionOfEvil named 'The Tong of The Black Madonna' tried to pressure Bladedancer by leaning on the family of her girlfriend Gateway, the Whateley Alumni Association in conjunction with the Syndicate basically declared open season on everyone and everything associated with them - anyone who contributed to destroying them would be given assistance, and benefits (such getting any booty they take from them, or being excused of past debts to TheSyndicate), for doing so. One of the parents, the AffablyEvil WellIntentionedExtremist Dr. Diabolik, suggested that OrbitalBombardment might constitute a '[[AscendedMeme measured response]]' to the Tong's actions. This was considered a relatively mild suggestion by most of the other supervillains (and probably some of the superheroes as well).
** The CardCarryingVillain Mephisto deals in murder, extortion, drug smuggling, and more in the name of the [[AncientConspiracy Red Brotherhood]], all while serving as a distraction for the superheroes so that the ''real'' gangsters could stay in business. But when it comes to the [[ReligionOfEvil Grand Hall of Sinister Wisdom]], he comes down firmly against them:
--->'''Mephisto:''' Now, I'll admit that the Brotherhood doesn't play nice. Hell, by the standards that the vast majority of the populace subscribes to, we're evil as hell. ''But'', we have the long-term good of the human race at heart. Selling kids to the Pit does '''NOT''' serve the greater good in any way, shape or form. There is shit even ''we'' don't put up with...
** Dr. Venus is probably speaking for everyone when she gave Dr. Macabre a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech:
--->'''Dr. Venus:''' The rest of us do horrible, illegal things... but YOU? You experiment on KIDS! [...] You grab kids off the street and shove them literally kicking and screaming into that Monster Chamber of yours! You turn them into fucking monsters! That's sick, Cobb, SICK!
** One of the very few things that both sides of the powered community agree on is that family is not to be brought into the matter. For villains and heroes, ''their'' life being at risk is one thing -- their ''kids'' being at risk just because of association? That's something else entirely, and people finding out about it is just about guaranteed to draw the ire of the whole community. And threatening the family of a Whateley student? [[spoiler:The ''lucky'' ones are in jail for life. And on life support -- also for life.]]\\
When a ReligionOfEvil named 'The Tong of The Black Madonna' tried to pressure Bladedancer by leaning on the family of her girlfriend Gateway, the Whateley Alumni Association in conjunction with the Syndicate basically declared open season on everyone and everything associated with them - anyone who contributed to destroying them would be given assistance, and benefits (such getting any booty they take from them, or being excused of past debts to TheSyndicate), for doing so. One of the parents, the AffablyEvil WellIntentionedExtremist Dr. Diabolik, suggested that OrbitalBombardment might constitute a '[[AscendedMeme measured response]]' to the Tong's actions. This was considered a relatively mild suggestion by most of the other supervillains (and probably some of the superheroes as well).
** The CardCarryingVillain Mephisto deals in murder, extortion, drug smuggling, and more in the name of the [[AncientConspiracy Red Brotherhood]], all while serving as a distraction for the superheroes so that the ''real'' gangsters could stay in business. But when it comes to the [[ReligionOfEvil Grand Hall of Sinister Wisdom]], he comes down firmly against them:
--->'''Mephisto:''' Now, I'll admit that the Brotherhood doesn't play nice. Hell, by the standards that the vast majority of the populace subscribes to, we're evil as hell. ''But'', we have the long-term good of the human race at heart. Selling kids to the Pit does '''NOT''' serve the greater good in any way, shape or form. There is shit even ''we'' don't put up with...
** Dr. Venus is probably speaking for everyone when she gave Dr. Macabre a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech:
--->'''Dr. Venus:''' The rest of us do horrible, illegal things... but YOU? You experiment on KIDS! [...] You grab kids off the street and shove them literally kicking and screaming into that Monster Chamber of yours! You turn them into fucking monsters! That's sick, Cobb, SICK!
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* ''Literature/{{Worm}}'':
** The supervillains of Brockton Bay include the Neo-Nazi group Empire 88, the DiabolicalMastermind Coil, the mercenaries of Faultline's Crew, and the [[VillainProtagonist Undersiders.]] However, they ''all'' look down on [[SuperLoser Skidmark and his gang,]] who are incompetent drug-dealers who sell to kids. More in line with the spirit of the trope, they are ''also'' all willing to [[EnemyMine join forces]] against psychopaths like the Slaughterhouse Nine.
** Bonesaw, a member of the Slaughterhouse Nine, gleefully delights in inflicting BodyHorror of the worst kind, but in her own words, even she isn't crazy enough to try to [[spoiler:clone an Endbringer.]]
** Before the story starts a notorious and extremely powerful villain named Marquis refuses to attack women and children, the heroes use this fact [[spoiler: and the fact that he is trying to protect his daughter Panacea]] to capture him.
* ''Literature/AtlasShrugged: The [[Franchise/GIJoe Cobra Commander]] Dialogues'': A parody that positions the ArchEnemy of the Joes into Ayn Rand's novel. Much of the humor comes from how even a [[CardCarryingVillain card carrying]] EvilOverlord is appalled by the actions by the Gulchers, especially Dr. Hendricks, who has a miracle cure for strokes he will never share with the outside world purely out of ''spite.''
---> '''Cobra Commander''': I work with arms dealers, con men, mad scientists, and even a man who was literally constructed out of the DNA of all of the worst people in the history of the world. And I have met so many atrocious 'heroes' in my visit through this pathetic ensemble you have assembled and you, sir, are the absolute most horrid human being I have ever met in my entire life. You're not even a person anymore. You are a monster.
** The supervillains of Brockton Bay include the Neo-Nazi group Empire 88, the DiabolicalMastermind Coil, the mercenaries of Faultline's Crew, and the [[VillainProtagonist Undersiders.]] However, they ''all'' look down on [[SuperLoser Skidmark and his gang,]] who are incompetent drug-dealers who sell to kids. More in line with the spirit of the trope, they are ''also'' all willing to [[EnemyMine join forces]] against psychopaths like the Slaughterhouse Nine.
** Bonesaw, a member of the Slaughterhouse Nine, gleefully delights in inflicting BodyHorror of the worst kind, but in her own words, even she isn't crazy enough to try to [[spoiler:clone an Endbringer.]]
** Before the story starts a notorious and extremely powerful villain named Marquis refuses to attack women and children, the heroes use this fact [[spoiler: and the fact that he is trying to protect his daughter Panacea]] to capture him.
* ''Literature/AtlasShrugged: The [[Franchise/GIJoe Cobra Commander]] Dialogues'': A parody that positions the ArchEnemy of the Joes into Ayn Rand's novel. Much of the humor comes from how even a [[CardCarryingVillain card carrying]] EvilOverlord is appalled by the actions by the Gulchers, especially Dr. Hendricks, who has a miracle cure for strokes he will never share with the outside world purely out of ''spite.''
---> '''Cobra Commander''': I work with arms dealers, con men, mad scientists, and even a man who was literally constructed out of the DNA of all of the worst people in the history of the world. And I have met so many atrocious 'heroes' in my visit through this pathetic ensemble you have assembled and you, sir, are the absolute most horrid human being I have ever met in my entire life. You're not even a person anymore. You are a monster.
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** During their conversation in Ryan's office, Fontaine is disgusted when Ryan insinuates that perhaps the reason he's set up the orphanages around Rapture and pays the girls much more attention than the boys is because [[MistakenForPedophile he's]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexually abusing them.]] Fontaine immediately snaps at him and says that he only likes fully-grown women. Ryan is just as appalled at the thought and sounds like he's about to threaten Fontaine with violence if he were to be using the girls for the suspected purpose. Since he was already contemplating having Karlosky kill Fontaine on the spot in this scene, it's not a stretch to think that if his suspicions had been confirmed, he would have gone through with it.
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** During their conversation in Ryan's office, Fontaine is disgusted when Ryan insinuates that perhaps the reason he's set up the orphanages around Rapture and pays the girls much more attention than the boys is because [[MistakenForPedophile he's]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexually abusing them.]] Fontaine immediately snaps at him and says that he only likes fully-grown grown women. Ryan is just as appalled at the thought and sounds like he's about to threaten Fontaine with violence if he were to be using the girls for the suspected purpose. Since he was already contemplating having Karlosky kill Fontaine on the spot in this scene, it's not a stretch to think that if his suspicions had been confirmed, he would have gone through with it.
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** During their conversation in Ryan's office, Fontaine is disgusted when Ryan insinuates that perhaps the reason he's set up the orphanages around Rapture and pays the girls much more attention than the boys is because [[MistakenForPedophile he's]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexually abusing them.]] Fontaine immediately snaps at him and says that he only likes fully-grown women. Ryan is just as apalled appalled at the thought and sounds like he's about to threaten Fontaine with violence if he were to be using the girls for the suspected purpose. Since he was already contemplating having Karlosky kill Fontaine on the spot in this scene, it's not a stretch to think that if his suspicions had been confirmed, he would have gone through with it.
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** During their conversation in Ryan's office, Fontaine is disgusted when Ryan implies that perhaps the reason he's set up the orphanages around Rapture and pays the girls much more attention than the boys is because [[MistakenForPedophile he's]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexually abusing them.]] Fontaine immediately snaps at him and says that he only likes fully-grown women. Ryan is just as apalled at the thought and sounds like he's about to threaten Fontaine with violence if he were to be using the girls for the suspected purpose. Since he was already contemplating having Karlosky kill Fontaine on the spot in this scene, it's not a stretch to think that if his suspicions had been confirmed, he would have gone through with it.
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** During their conversation in Ryan's office, Fontaine is disgusted when Ryan implies insinuates that perhaps the reason he's set up the orphanages around Rapture and pays the girls much more attention than the boys is because [[MistakenForPedophile he's]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexually abusing them.]] Fontaine immediately snaps at him and says that he only likes fully-grown women. Ryan is just as apalled at the thought and sounds like he's about to threaten Fontaine with violence if he were to be using the girls for the suspected purpose. Since he was already contemplating having Karlosky kill Fontaine on the spot in this scene, it's not a stretch to think that if his suspicions had been confirmed, he would have gone through with it.
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** During their conversation in Ryan's office, Fontaine is disgusted when Ryan implies that perhaps the reason he's set up the orphanages around Rapture and pays the girls much more attention than the boys is because he's [[MistakenForPedophile sexually]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil abusing them.]] Fontaine immediately snaps at him and says that he only likes fully-grown women. Ryan is just as apalled at the thought and sounds like he's about to threaten Fontaine with violence if he were to be using the girls for the suspected purpose. Since he was already contemplating having Karlosky kill Fontaine on the spot in this scene, it's not a stretch to think that if his suspicions had been confirmed, he would have gone through with it.
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** During their conversation in Ryan's office, Fontaine is disgusted when Ryan implies that perhaps the reason he's set up the orphanages around Rapture and pays the girls much more attention than the boys is because he's [[MistakenForPedophile sexually]] he's]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil sexually abusing them.]] Fontaine immediately snaps at him and says that he only likes fully-grown women. Ryan is just as apalled at the thought and sounds like he's about to threaten Fontaine with violence if he were to be using the girls for the suspected purpose. Since he was already contemplating having Karlosky kill Fontaine on the spot in this scene, it's not a stretch to think that if his suspicions had been confirmed, he would have gone through with it.
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** At the end of the novel, we watch as Bill tries to escape Rapture with his wife Elaine and young daughter Sophie. Bill has been Ryan's closest friend for years; Ryan saw potential in him when he was a humble plumber and took him under his wing, bringing him and his then-fiancee Elaine with him to Rapture and confiding in him about many matters -- he's even close with Bill's family, often asking after Elaine and Sophie to make sure they've been safe amidst the spiraling chaos of the city. Before they can escape via bathysphere, Ryan's men, all of whom know Bill personally, corner them and tell Bill that they have orders to bring him in and kill him, as is Ryan's decree for anyone who tries to defy his rules -- however, they all realize that Ryan only said to take Bill, conveniently leaving out Elaine and Sophie. Ryan, knowing that Bill would never have tried to escape without his family, implicitly granted permission to let the two of them leave the city permanently, something he's never let anyone do before or since.
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** At the end of the novel, we watch as Bill tries to escape Rapture with his wife Elaine and young daughter Sophie. Bill has been Ryan's closest friend for years; Ryan saw potential in him when he was a humble plumber and took him under his wing, bringing him and his then-fiancee Elaine with him to Rapture and confiding in him about many matters -- he's even close with Bill's family, often asking after Elaine and Sophie to make sure they've been safe amidst the spiraling chaos of the city. Before they can escape via bathysphere, Ryan's men, all of whom know Bill personally, corner them and tell Bill that they have orders to bring him in and kill him, as is Ryan's decree for anyone who tries to defy his rules -- however, they all realize that Ryan only said to take Bill, conveniently leaving out Elaine and Sophie. Ryan, knowing that Bill would never have tried to escape without his family, implicitly granted permission to let the two of them leave the city permanently, something he's never let anyone do before or since.
