History EvenEvilHasStandards / ComicBooks

15th Sep '16 7:42:14 AM comicwriter
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* Doctor Doom once hired Typhoid Mary to steal the ComicBook/PowerPack's alien technology, but called it off when she decided the best way to do it was by assassinating their father. After the way he tragically lost his parents, he couldn't stand the thought of the Pack being orphaned the way he was. [[FridgeLogic Which makes it odd that he's willing to do it to Franklin and Valeria.]] But then, ''that's'' [[BerserkButton RICHAAAARRRRRDSSSSS]]!

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* Doctor Doom DoctorDoom once hired Typhoid Mary to steal the ComicBook/PowerPack's alien technology, but called it off when she decided the best way to do it was by assassinating their father. After the way he tragically lost his parents, he couldn't stand the thought of the Pack being orphaned the way he was. [[FridgeLogic Which makes it odd that he's willing to do it to Franklin and Valeria.]] But then, ''that's'' [[BerserkButton RICHAAAARRRRRDSSSSS]]!



* In ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'', even though Loki wants to take his father's crown and rule Asgard, he does ''not'' take kindly to anyone trying to destroy it. Asgard is still his home, after all. This is taken to its extreme during the ''Ragnarok'' arc, where Loki commits mass murder on a grand scale and even causes the death of his own mother. He's appalled when he learns that Asgard is going to be destroyed, as all his murderous actions prior to that had been so that he could rule it. In his mind, at least the horrible atrocities he committed ''had a point to them.''

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* In ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'', even though Loki Comicbook/{{Loki}} wants to take his father's crown and rule Asgard, he does ''not'' take kindly to anyone trying to destroy it. Asgard is still his home, after all. This is taken to its extreme during the ''Ragnarok'' arc, where Loki commits mass murder on a grand scale and even causes the death of his own mother. He's appalled when he learns that Asgard is going to be destroyed, as all his murderous actions prior to that had been so that he could rule it. In his mind, at least the horrible atrocities he committed ''had a point to them.''
13th Sep '16 6:07:38 AM Anicomicgeek
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** Joker again shows this with the most literal meaning of "standards" in a Franchise/{{Batman}}[=/=]ComicBook/SpiderMan crossover where he teamed-up with ComicBook/{{Carnage}}. The two worked fine until it was time to actually kill their intended targets. Joker wanted to do things in his usual "artistic"/"funny" way and was annoyed and slightly [[{{Squick}} disgusted]] at Carnage's plan to just brutally eviscerate them, leading to an argument that quickly escalated.



** Joker again shows this with the most literal meaning of "standards" in a Franchise/{{Batman}}[=/=]ComicBook/SpiderMan crossover where he teamed-up with Carnage. The two worked fine until it was time to actually kill their intended targets. Joker wanted to do things in his usual "artistic"/"funny" way and was annoyed and slightly [[{{Squick}} disgusted]] at Carnage's plan to just brutally eviscerate them, leading to an argument that quickly escalated.



* ''ComicBook/ArkhamAsylumLivingHell'' has the Joker talking down to a scam-artist corporate executive who got himself judged "Not guilty [[InsanityDefense by reason of insanity]]." Granted, he's usually crazily giggling and "playing" with cultural values, and bashing executives sounds right up his alley... except he and the plot are ''completely serious about this.'' As far as can be told, the issue here is that Warren White is just an ''asshole''. More specifically he says "I've killed people, but I didn't steal their kid's college funds."
** Hilariously, the Joker isn't the only one who does this in the story. ''Everyone'' the scam artist meets in Arkham calls him the "worst man I've ever met." The asylum director, Humpty Dumpty, the Joker, and [[spoiler:''demons from hell'']]. And Humpty is Warren's ''friend''.
** Oddly enough, White doesn't suffer from this after [[spoiler:he truly goes insane and ends up looking like a sharkman after getting locked in Mr. Freeze's cell.]] The other villains love him and are happy to take advantage of the services he offers [[spoiler:unaware that he made a DealWithTheDevil that will let him torture them in Hell after they all eventually die.]]

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* ''ComicBook/ArkhamAsylumLivingHell'' has the Joker talking down to a scam-artist corporate executive who got himself judged "Not guilty [[InsanityDefense by reason of insanity]]." Granted, he's usually crazily giggling and "playing" with cultural values, and bashing executives sounds right up his alley... except he and the plot are ''completely serious about this.'' As far as can be told, the issue here is that Warren White is just an ''asshole''. More specifically he says "I've killed people, but I didn't steal their kid's college funds."
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" Hilariously, the Joker isn't the only one who does this in the story. ''Everyone'' the scam artist meets in Arkham calls him the "worst man I've ever met." The asylum director, Humpty Dumpty, the Joker, and [[spoiler:''demons from hell'']]. And hell'']]--and Humpty is Warren's ''friend''.
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''friend''. Oddly enough, White doesn't suffer from this after [[spoiler:he truly goes insane and ends up looking like a sharkman after getting locked in Mr. Freeze's cell.]] The other villains love him and are happy to take advantage of the services he offers [[spoiler:unaware that he made a DealWithTheDevil that will let him torture them in Hell after they all eventually die.]]
5th Sep '16 1:40:35 PM erforce
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* In the original ''Film/AlienVsPredator'' comic miniseries that kicked the crossover off, the clan leader kills one of the younger hunters when he sees a child's skull in the other's trophy bag. That is part of the Predators' code--only those who can defend themselves, otherwise it's not sporting.

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* In the original ''Film/AlienVsPredator'' ''Comicbook/AlienVsPredator'' comic miniseries that kicked [[Franchise/AlienVsPredator the crossover off, off]], the clan leader kills one of the younger hunters when he sees a child's skull in the other's trophy bag. That is part of the Predators' code--only those who can defend themselves, otherwise it's not sporting.
18th Aug '16 5:19:00 PM Taskmaster123
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** Even back when he was a completely amoral mercenary who would switch sides ''in the middle of a fight'' if he was offered more money, Deadpool had standards. Once, he was part of a team of mercenaries that had been hired to capture Wolverine, and they tailed Logan to a bar. The rest of the mercs were eager to get started so they could collect their paychecks, and got ready to leave the room from where they were watching Logan and enter the bar.
-->'''Mercenary:''' Well, we may as well get started-
-->'''Deadpool:''' Sit down.
-->'''Mercenary:''' What?
-->'''Deadpool:''' The man just bought a drink. We let him finish it. ''Now sit down.''
13th Aug '16 5:31:04 PM CountDorku
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** Aside from Swoop and Sludge, the Dinobots are also often portrayed as being {{Jerkass}}es (Snarl), bullies (Grimlock), or out-and-out sadists (Slag), and the shy Swoop and amiably dim Sludge cross into these areas at times... but while some treatments have them considering it, they haven't ever actually joined the Decepticons.

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** Aside from Swoop and Sludge, the Dinobots are also often portrayed as being {{Jerkass}}es (Snarl), bullies (Grimlock), or out-and-out sadists (Slag), and the shy Swoop and amiably dim Sludge cross into these areas at times... but while some treatments have them considering it, they haven't ever actually joined the Decepticons.Decepticons, and Slag even changes his name to Slug because Arcee found it offensive (which it is, in British slang anyway).


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** Subverted with Tarn of the Decepticon Justice Division. While he closes his eyes behind his mask when his comrades get sadistic and refuses to trade the lives of his handful of teammates for 500 or so former Decepticon soldiers serving under Deathsaurus, his ostensible standards don't actually lead him to ''modify'' his behaviour in any way - they just make him come up with justifications, most of which involve the words "Decepticon Cause" in some context, for whatever brutality is next on the agenda. His response to the torture doesn't lead to him actually trying to stop it, [[spoiler:nor did it stop him from smelting down still-living Autobots in Grindcore Prison while gloating about it to Skids]], and his loyalty to his underlings [[spoiler:doesn't prevent him from ripping off Kaon's head for caring too much for the TeamPet]] - ultimately, whatever standards Tarn tells himself he has, they end up not meaning anything.
10th Aug '16 8:58:21 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* In an early issue of Matt Fraction's ''Invincible ComicBook/IronMan'', Ezekiel Stane murders a bunch of tobacco executives after explaining to them that, even if he makes of weapons for terrorists and psychos, is disgusted by how they make their money.

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* In an early issue of Matt Fraction's ''Invincible ComicBook/IronMan'', Ezekiel Stane murders a bunch of tobacco executives after explaining to them that, even if he makes of weapons for terrorists and psychos, he is disgusted by how they make their money.
8th Aug '16 3:36:47 AM morenohijazo
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* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'': Iznougoud might be a cruel, petty, greedy and ambitious EvilChancellor, but he is disgusted when he catches his executioner trying to get himself paid for mercy, and delivers a speech saying mercy should never be bought.
25th Jul '16 6:00:10 AM Anicomicgeek
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* Pictured in the main page: In a Franchise/{{Batman}}[=/=]ComicBook/CaptainAmerica crossover book, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker abruptly ends a partnership with Comicbook/RedSkull when his affiliation comes out. Red Skull simply wonders why he is so surprised when he thinks that the Joker would make a great Nazi. The Joker is not too happy at this, proclaiming "I may be a criminal lunatic, but I'm an ''American'' criminal lunatic!" Yes, folks, even an equal-opportunity murderer like ''the Joker'' despises the Nazis![[note]]The Joker had originally thought that Red Skull was just dressing up as a Nazi as a sort of theme, which he approved of because it sounded like great trolling.[[/note]]

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* Pictured in the main page: In a Franchise/{{Batman}}[=/=]ComicBook/CaptainAmerica crossover book, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker abruptly ends a partnership with Comicbook/RedSkull when his affiliation comes out. Red Skull simply wonders why he is so surprised when he thinks that the Joker would make a great Nazi. The Joker is not too happy at this, proclaiming "I may be a criminal lunatic, but I'm an ''American'' criminal lunatic!" Yes, folks, even an equal-opportunity murderer like ''the Joker'' despises the Nazis![[note]]The Joker had originally thought that Red Skull was just dressing up as a Nazi as a sort of theme, which he approved of because it sounded like great trolling.[[/note]]



** Still, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker is the incarnation of DependingOnTheWriter, and that was one of the tamer versions, based on the 1940's incarnation who was giggling and flamboyant, but not psychotic ''at all''. [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Some]] [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum other]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder versions]] probably wouldn't have given a damn, if they'd even partner with anyone else at all. Also, there's a short story in one of the Batman prose collections where the Joker falls in love/lust/''something'' with a female Nazi, and, to get on her good side, eagerly helps the Reich with its war plans. [[spoiler:Though it turns out to be all AllJustADream, brought on during one of his shock therapy treatments at Arkham Asylum.]]

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** Still, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker is the incarnation of DependingOnTheWriter, and that was one of the tamer versions, based on the 1940's incarnation who was giggling and flamboyant, but not psychotic ''at all''. [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Some]] [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum other]] [[ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder versions]] probably wouldn't have given a damn, if they'd even partner with anyone else at all. Also, there's a short story in one of the Batman prose collections where the Joker falls in love/lust/''something'' with a female Nazi, and, to get on her good side, eagerly helps the Reich with its war plans. [[spoiler:Though it turns out to be all AllJustADream, brought on during one of his shock therapy treatments at Arkham Asylum.]]



* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker himself has run into problems thanks to this trope. Whenever a new Society of Super Villains comes together, The Joker is often excluded. Partly because he is not much of a team player and considered far too "unprofessional", and partly because all the other villains are ''flat fucking terrified'' of him. Summed up best by this quote from ''ComicBook/UnderworldUnleashed'':

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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker himself has run into problems thanks to this trope. Whenever a new Society of Super Villains comes together, The Joker is often excluded. Partly because he is not much of a team player and considered far too "unprofessional", and partly because all the other villains are ''flat fucking terrified'' of him. Summed up best by this quote from ''ComicBook/UnderworldUnleashed'':



** In the [[ComicBook/JokersLastLaugh Last Laugh]] storyline, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker is in prison and he is invited to join the Aryan gang. He declines, stating "''I may be evil, but you guys are just plain mean.''"

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** In the [[ComicBook/JokersLastLaugh Last Laugh]] storyline, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker is in prison and he is invited to join the Aryan gang. He declines, stating "''I may be evil, but you guys are just plain mean.''"



** In ''ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily'', this is invoked by SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker of all people about Captain Boomerang, although mostly as a means of taunting Harley.

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** In ''ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily'', this is invoked by SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker of all people about Captain Boomerang, although mostly as a means of taunting Harley.
18th Jul '16 3:22:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the ''ComicBook/AgeOfApocalypse'' timeline, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s nemesis Sabretooth pulls an epic HeelFaceTurn and becomes a well-respected superhero. He still started off as a pretty bad guy, but realized he'd had enough upon learning that Apocalypse planned to kill off the entire human race. (It should be noted that in this reality Sabertooth was less animalistic and frenzied than his standard counterpart.)

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* In the ''ComicBook/AgeOfApocalypse'' timeline, timeline:
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ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s nemesis Sabretooth pulls an epic HeelFaceTurn and becomes a well-respected superhero. He still started off as a pretty bad guy, but realized he'd had enough upon learning that Apocalypse planned to kill off the entire human race. (It should be noted that in this reality Sabertooth was less animalistic and frenzied than his standard counterpart.)
18th Jul '16 3:21:16 AM Morgenthaler
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** Even Characters/{{Carnage}}, a guy who thought that letting Nazis run rampant would be "fun", decided that letting the Red Skull run rampant is NOT in his best interests.
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