History EarlyInstallmentWeirdness / AnimeAndManga

10th Oct '17 6:02:04 PM hujwernoo
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** Early in the East Blue Saga, several characters were outright astonished that ''Devil Fruits even existed.'' While Devil Fruits ''are'' rather scarce outside the Grand Line (especially in East Blue, the weakest sea in the world), you'd think that people would notice that the most wanted pirates and the most powerful Marine almost all have Devil Fruit powers.
9th Oct '17 1:25:12 PM MBG
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** The entire plot of Part 3 is based on the idea that Holly Joestar is developing a Stand without the necessary "fighting spirit," causing her to suffer PowerIncontinence and slowly die. This concept was heavily relaxed over the course of the series, and from that point on it seems like just about everyone can potentially be a Stand user, including not just really wimpy or pacifistic humans, but also three babies, two rats, a plankton colony, and a tree.
9th Oct '17 1:15:43 PM MBG
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** In a rare inverted case of Early Installment Normalcy, Part 3's Stands had comparatively much more "standard" abilities, such as Magician's Red's [[PlayingWithFire fire manipulation,]] Yellow Temperance's [[BlobMonster all-dissolving shapeshifting goo,]] and Star Platinum's RapidFireFisticuffs. In later Parts the Stand abilities get progressively weirder and weirder. Later Parts have positively surreal Stands like Highway Star (a collection of feet breaking out of a room manifesting inside a tunnel, chasing down the target at 60 km/h, then assembling into a humanoid and sucking out the target's nutrients), Baby Face (a computer that impregnates a woman to gestate a search-and-destroy humanoid creature that can break matter into cubes), or Heavy Weather (''rainbows that turn you into snails'').

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** In a rare inverted case of Early Installment Normalcy, Part 3's Stands had comparatively much more "standard" abilities, such as Magician's Red's [[PlayingWithFire fire manipulation,]] Yellow Temperance's [[BlobMonster all-dissolving shapeshifting goo,]] and Star Platinum's RapidFireFisticuffs. In later Parts the Stand abilities get progressively weirder and weirder. Later Parts have positively surreal Stands like Highway Star (a collection of feet breaking out of a room manifesting inside a tunnel, chasing down the target at 60 km/h, then assembling into a humanoid and sucking out the target's nutrients), Baby Face (a computer that impregnates a woman to gestate a search-and-destroy humanoid creature that can break matter into cubes), or Heavy Weather (''rainbows that turn you into snails''). Conversely, early Stands also often demonstrated instances of NewPowersAsThePlotDemands without much ceremony (most famously, Star Platinum being able to inhale large quantities of air or extend its fingers), while later Parts tended to give Stands rather concrete limits established right off the bat.
** Early on in ''Manga/StardustCrusaders'', DIO uses an ability that is unmistakably identical to that of Hermit Purple. This was based on an early concept Araki had for DIO's Stand, The World, as having AllYourPowersCombined. He never demonstrates any other copied abilities, and when The World does show up, it has an (initially) unique TimeStandsStill ability, leading many fans to try to FanWank a reason for why DIO seems to have two Stands.
23rd Sep '17 6:13:45 PM GoldenDarkness
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** While on the subject of the Gym Leaders, the Kanto gym leaders have different designs(mostly in clothing choice) compared to their game counterparts, while game characters from the second generation forward retain their game designs.
23rd Sep '17 1:46:37 PM ElSquibbonator
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** In the very earliest episodes of the anime, Luna acted more like a normal cat--for example, she would play with cat toys, scratch people when she got upset, and show affection to Usagi by licking her. This was soon dropped, and Luna began acting much more human-like.



** In the very earliest episodes of the anime, Luna acted more like a normal cat--for example, she would play with cat toys and show affection to Usagi by licking her. This was soon dropped, and Luna began acting much more human-like.
22nd Sep '17 2:41:04 PM ElSquibbonator
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** The first season made occasional mention of real animals existing alongside Pokemon multiple times: cows, fish, chickens, mongooses etc. The concept was dropped after Kanto, and today the general consensus seems to be that real animals other than humans do not exist in the Pokemon world. There was also the occasional mention of real-world locations such as France, England, and most famously, Hollywood, which was the setting of an entire episode devoted to telling Meowth's backstory. In later series, when the show needs a "foreign" setting, they simply use a region based on one (Unova for America, Kalos for France, Alola for Hawaii).

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** The first season made occasional mention of real animals existing alongside Pokemon multiple times: cows, fish, chickens, mongooses etc. The concept was dropped after Kanto, and today the general consensus seems to be that real animals other than humans do not exist in the Pokemon world. There was also the occasional mention of real-world locations such as France, England, and most famously, Hollywood, which was the setting of an entire episode devoted to telling Meowth's backstory. In later series, when the show needs a "foreign" setting, they simply use a region based on one (Unova for America, Kalos for France, Alola for Hawaii).



** In the very earliest episodes of the anime, Luna acted more like a normal cat--for example, she would play with cat toys and show affection to Usagi by licking her. This was soon dropped, and Luna began acting much more human-like.



** Even the cards are this. In this series they are mostly inclined towards the horror genre, religion and mythology [[note]]especially but not restricted to Ancient Egypt[[/note]] which doesn't help their uncanny designs. Later series since GX have a "futuristic and dragons theme" for the cards and never looked back since. While nightmare-inducing cards still exist, it is not as frequent or as extreme as in the early days.

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** Even the cards are this. In this series they are mostly inclined towards the horror genre, religion and mythology [[note]]especially but not restricted to Ancient Egypt[[/note]] which doesn't help their uncanny designs. Later series since GX have a "futuristic and dragons theme" more "science-fantasy" theme for the cards, with monsters that often look futuristic and mechanical. While there are still some cards and never looked back since. While nightmare-inducing cards still exist, it is not that look scary, they're nowhere near as frequent or common as extreme as in they used to be The Ancient Egyptian motif that defined the early days.original series is also almost completely gone, save for a few occasional references.
22nd Sep '17 2:30:04 PM ElSquibbonator
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** It had absolutely ''no'' [[FightingSpirit Stands]] until the third part, despite Stands being the best known feature of the series. Instead, the first two parts focused on the Ripple, a.k.a. Hamon, a martial art used to hunt vampires. Stands were introduced in Part 3 for a change of pace --Creator/HirohikoAraki says that he wanted to represent PsychicPowers with more interesting visuals-- and [[CrazyAwesome things started getting really weird from there]].

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** It had absolutely ''no'' The [[FightingSpirit Stands]] didn't show up until the third part, despite Stands being the best known feature of the series. Instead, the first two parts focused on the Ripple, a.k.a. Hamon, a martial art used to hunt vampires. Stands were introduced in Part 3 for a change of pace --Creator/HirohikoAraki says that he wanted to represent PsychicPowers with more interesting visuals-- and [[CrazyAwesome things started getting really weird from there]].



** The first season made mention of real animals existing alongside Pokemon multiple times: cows, mongooses, chickens, etc. The concept was dropped after Kanto. There was also the occasional mention of real-world locations such as France, England, and most famously, Hollywood, which was the setting of an entire episode devoted to telling Meowth's backstory.

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** The first season made occasional mention of real animals existing alongside Pokemon multiple times: cows, mongooses, fish, chickens, mongooses etc. The concept was dropped after Kanto.Kanto, and today the general consensus seems to be that real animals other than humans do not exist in the Pokemon world. There was also the occasional mention of real-world locations such as France, England, and most famously, Hollywood, which was the setting of an entire episode devoted to telling Meowth's backstory. In later series, when the show needs a "foreign" setting, they simply use a region based on one (Unova for America, Kalos for France, Alola for Hawaii).



** There was also the Pokédex, who is usually just a computer spouting off information about Pokémon. In the first episode, it seemed to have a personality as a DeadpanSnarker, acting like a dick toward Ash when he found a Rattata going through his bag.

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** There was also the Pokédex, who is usually just a computer spouting off information about Pokémon. In the first episode, it seemed to have a personality as a DeadpanSnarker, acting like a dick toward Ash when he found a Rattata going through his bag. The idea of the Pokédex as a character in its own right would not be revisited until the Sun and Moon season, when Ash received a RotomDex.



** A few early Gym Leaders gave Ash their badges for helping them out in different ways, even though he didn't officially defeat them (the Cerulean and Celadon Gym Battles were interrupted by Team Rocket and a fire respectively, sprinklers that gave Pikachu an edge, and the Haunter that Ash led back to the Saffron Gym snapped Sabrina out of her EmotionlessGirl /CreepyChild persona) starting with Lt. Surge, and later with Koga, no other leaders have made exceptions like these. The closest exception that was made was in Sinnoh when Ash and Maylene battled to a draw, where it was at the discretion of the Gym Leader as to whether the trainer deserved a badge.

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** A few early Gym Leaders gave Ash their badges for helping them out in different ways, even though he didn't officially defeat them (the Cerulean and Celadon Gym Battles were interrupted by Team Rocket and a fire respectively, sprinklers that gave Pikachu an edge, and the Haunter that Ash led back to the Saffron Gym snapped Sabrina out of her EmotionlessGirl /CreepyChild persona) starting with Lt. Surge, and later with Koga, no other leaders have made exceptions like these. The closest thing to an exception that was made was in Sinnoh when Ash and Maylene battled to a draw, where it was at the discretion of the Gym Leader as to whether the trainer deserved a badge.
3rd Sep '17 3:30:21 PM quackytrope
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** ''Dragon Ball'' featured more sexual humor and nudity early on that wouldn't seem out of place in an {{Ecchi}} series. While this kind of thing didn't completely go away, thanks in part to the presence of [[DirtyOldMan Master Roshi]], it's nowhere near as frequent, especially since the series begins focusing more on action by the time 'Dragon Ball Z'' starts.

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** ''Dragon Ball'' featured more sexual humor and nudity early on that wouldn't seem out of place in an {{Ecchi}} series. While this kind of thing didn't completely go away, thanks in part to the presence of [[DirtyOldMan Master Roshi]], it's nowhere near as frequent, especially since the series begins focusing more on action by the time 'Dragon ''Dragon Ball Z'' starts.
3rd Sep '17 3:28:14 PM quackytrope
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** ''Dragon Ball'' featured more sexual humor and nudity early on that wouldn't seem out of place in an {{Ecchi}} series. While this kind of thing didn't completely go away, thanks in part to the presence of [[DirtyOldMan Master Roshi]], it's nowhere near as frequent, especially since the series begins focusing more on action by the time 'Dragon Ball Z'' starts.
23rd Aug '17 6:56:06 PM CyokieRevott
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** Jun Mochizuki's art style is rather odd near the beginning of the series, with strange proportions and minimal detail (for manga standards). The manga undergoes massive ArtEvolution in record time, which makes looking at the first few volumes weird for people who have read past volume five.
** For a little while, the atmosphere of the manga was distinctly...{{Shonen}}-y, in that 1) the plot was dark...-ish, but 2) the protagonist was fairly uplifting and weirdly optimistic and minimally disturbed by the intimidating things that were happening, and 3) the manga randomly switched from serious to funny. There were other things contributing to the stereotypical {{Shonen}} atmosphere, too. People who have read farther into ''Manga/PandoraHearts'' are pretty weirded out by this when they look back, because they know the true atmosphere of the manga is viciously dark, sad, and rife with psychology and philosophy.

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** Jun Mochizuki's art style is rather odd isn't the best near the beginning of the series, with strange proportions and minimal detail (for manga standards). The manga undergoes massive ArtEvolution in record time, which makes looking at the first few volumes weird for people who have read past volume five.
** For a little while, the atmosphere of the manga was distinctly...{{Shonen}}-y, in that 1) the plot was dark...-ish, but 2) the protagonist was fairly uplifting and weirdly oddly optimistic and minimally disturbed by the intimidating things that were happening, and 3) the manga randomly switched from serious to funny. There were other things contributing to the stereotypical {{Shonen}} atmosphere, too. People who have read farther into ''Manga/PandoraHearts'' are pretty weirded out by this when they look back, because they know the true atmosphere of the manga is viciously dark, sad, and rife with psychology and philosophy.
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