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16th Aug '17 7:08:56 AM Steven
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** Gaius van Baelsar is seen as the most sympathetic villain in the whole game. He's a commander for TheEmpire and imposes their views and justifications on the people of Eorzea no matter what their stance is. Gaius has no qualms with having beastmen being slaughtered left and right to prevent them from summoning the aether sucking primals, even if some of the beastmen are innocent. Gaius also believes that only a powerful man is fit to be a ruler and that he (or at least the empire itself) is fit to rule over Eorzea since the people are nothing but "savages" that should be subjugated by the empire to quell the chaos and disorder in the land. Anyone that doesn't surrender to the empire is either killed or forced to serve in the empire's army. Despite everything that Gaius does or says that should paint him as a immoral or at least questionable, a lot of fans [[RootingForTheEmpire wish they were given the option to join him]] since they believe [[VillainHasAPoint he is not completely wrong in how Eorzea is chaotic and a mess with irredeemable qualities.]] [[spoiler: Even after Gaius dies in an explosion at the end of 2.0, fans refuse to believe that he died since [[NeverFoundTheBody his body was never shown]] and they feel that he is too much of a badass to die.]]

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** Gaius van Baelsar is seen as the most sympathetic villain in the whole game. He's a commander for TheEmpire and imposes their views and justifications on the people of Eorzea no matter what their stance is. Gaius has no qualms with having beastmen being slaughtered left and right to prevent them from summoning the aether sucking primals, even if some of the beastmen are innocent. Gaius also believes that only a powerful man is fit to be a ruler and that he (or at least the empire itself) is fit to rule over Eorzea since the people are nothing but "savages" that should be subjugated by the empire to quell the chaos and disorder in the land. Anyone that doesn't surrender to the empire is either killed or forced to serve in the empire's army. Despite everything that Gaius does or says that should paint him as a immoral or at least questionable, a lot of fans [[RootingForTheEmpire wish they were given the option to join him]] since they believe [[VillainHasAPoint he is not completely wrong in how Eorzea is chaotic and a mess with irredeemable qualities.]] [[spoiler: Even after Gaius dies in an explosion at the end of 2.0, fans refuse to believe that he died since [[NeverFoundTheBody his body was never shown]] and they feel that he is too much of a badass to die.]]



** Yotsuyu, the acting Viceroy for Zenos in Doma, is portrayed as a cruel, twist, and sadistic woman that gets pleasure from watching people squirm and suffer under her heel; at a fishing village in the Ruby Sea, she orders a man to shoot another village on the suspicion that he was a rebel. After he kills him, she then orders the guy to ''kill his parents'' just because they were too old to be of any use to the empire (he aims to shoot Yotsuyu instead, but is quickly shot and killed by her guards). In another scene, she has some Kojin beastmen killed for failing her and then she flat out admits that killing beastmen doesn't give her the same pleasure as killing a Doman citizen. When she is confronted by the heroes for the last time, [[spoiler: she breaks down into a MotiveRant, stating that she enjoyed torturing Domans since she was abused by them (physically and sexually) since childhood.]] Even though Yotsuyu was shown to clearly be in the wrong, many fans feel that her actions were totally justified.

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** Yotsuyu, the acting Viceroy for Zenos in Doma, is portrayed as a cruel, twist, twisted, and sadistic woman that gets pleasure from watching people squirm and suffer under her heel; at a fishing village in the Ruby Sea, she orders a man to shoot another village on the suspicion that he was a rebel. After he kills him, she then orders the guy to ''kill his parents'' just because they were too old to be of any use to the empire (he aims to shoot Yotsuyu instead, but is quickly shot and killed by her guards). In another scene, she has some Kojin beastmen killed for failing her and then she flat out admits that killing beastmen doesn't give her the same pleasure as killing a Doman citizen. When she is confronted by the heroes for the last time, [[spoiler: she breaks down into a MotiveRant, stating that she enjoyed torturing Domans since she was abused by them (physically and sexually) since childhood.]] Even though Yotsuyu was shown to clearly be in the wrong, many fans feel that her actions were totally justified.
25th Jul '17 9:48:17 PM Steven
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* Gaius van Baelsar in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' is seen as the most sympathetic villain in the whole game. He's a commander for TheEmpire and imposes their views and justifications on the people of Eorzea no matter what their stance is. Gaius has no qualms with having beastmen being slaughtered left and right to prevent them from summoning the aether sucking primals, even if some of the beastmen are innocent. Gaius also believes that only a powerful man is fit to be a ruler and that he (or at least the empire itself) is fit to rule over Eorzea since the people are nothing but "savages" that should be subjugated by the empire to quell the chaos and disorder in the land. Anyone that doesn't surrender to the empire is either killed or forced to serve in the empire's army. Despite everything that Gaius does or says that should paint him as a immoral or at least questionable, a lot of fans [[RootingForTheEmpire wish they were given the option to join him]] since they believe [[VillainHasAPoint he is not completely wrong in how Eorzea is chaotic and a mess with irredeemable qualities.]] [[spoiler: Even after Gaius dies in an explosion at the end of 2.0, fans refuse to believe that he died since [[NeverFoundTheBody his body was never shown]] and they feel that he is too much of a badass to die.]]

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van Baelsar in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' is seen as the most sympathetic villain in the whole game. He's a commander for TheEmpire and imposes their views and justifications on the people of Eorzea no matter what their stance is. Gaius has no qualms with having beastmen being slaughtered left and right to prevent them from summoning the aether sucking primals, even if some of the beastmen are innocent. Gaius also believes that only a powerful man is fit to be a ruler and that he (or at least the empire itself) is fit to rule over Eorzea since the people are nothing but "savages" that should be subjugated by the empire to quell the chaos and disorder in the land. Anyone that doesn't surrender to the empire is either killed or forced to serve in the empire's army. Despite everything that Gaius does or says that should paint him as a immoral or at least questionable, a lot of fans [[RootingForTheEmpire wish they were given the option to join him]] since they believe [[VillainHasAPoint he is not completely wrong in how Eorzea is chaotic and a mess with irredeemable qualities.]] [[spoiler: Even after Gaius dies in an explosion at the end of 2.0, fans refuse to believe that he died since [[NeverFoundTheBody his body was never shown]] and they feel that he is too much of a badass to die.]]]]
** Zenos, another Garlean commander, was written to be as unlikable as possible for his debut in the ''Stormblood'' story. He casually kills off his soldiers [[YouHaveFailedMe when they fail him]], had two of his soldiers undergo horrific experiments, treats the death of rebels he killed as if it were just another Tuesday, and only gains interest in the player character because they eventually match him in raw power and [[BloodKnight he needed someone to give him a rush in battle.]] Even Lyse calls Zenos out using the war as an excuse to be able to feel something besides boredom. The last thing that Zenos says to the player [[spoiler: before killing himself is "Farewell my first friend, my enemy."]] That single line alone sparked a surge of fans rushing in to defend and sympathize with Zenos, claiming that he was a TragicVillain who didn't have anyone to confide in and how he was abused by TheEmpire.
** Yotsuyu, the acting Viceroy for Zenos in Doma, is portrayed as a cruel, twist, and sadistic woman that gets pleasure from watching people squirm and suffer under her heel; at a fishing village in the Ruby Sea, she orders a man to shoot another village on the suspicion that he was a rebel. After he kills him, she then orders the guy to ''kill his parents'' just because they were too old to be of any use to the empire (he aims to shoot Yotsuyu instead, but is quickly shot and killed by her guards). In another scene, she has some Kojin beastmen killed for failing her and then she flat out admits that killing beastmen doesn't give her the same pleasure as killing a Doman citizen. When she is confronted by the heroes for the last time, [[spoiler: she breaks down into a MotiveRant, stating that she enjoyed torturing Domans since she was abused by them (physically and sexually) since childhood.]] Even though Yotsuyu was shown to clearly be in the wrong, many fans feel that her actions were totally justified.
29th Jun '17 2:46:34 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s [[GoMadFromTheRevelation post-meltdown]] Sephiroth (in the image on the main page) was a sociopathic madman who [[PlotlineDeath killed Aerith]], burned down Cloud's [[DoomedHometown hometown]], betrayed his trust in a glorious way, and led him on a wild goose chase [[WalkingTheEarth all across the Planet]] simply to manipulate him into bringing him a magical DoomsdayDevice, which he then used to attempt to [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destroy the world]]. There isn't even the faintest hint of sympathy portrayed for him by any of the game's characters. However, this doesn't stop the fandom declaring him to be a HiveMind puppet of [[BiggerBad Jenova]], and relegating him to the level of innocent commonly reserved for TheWoobie -- even though this theory was never implied in the game, and was [[{{Jossed}} blatantly disproven]] by WordOfGod and the [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental materials]].[[note]]In fact, it's the ''opposite''. Sephiroth is controlling ''Jenova''.[[/note]] This seems purely an effect of his [[WhiteHairBlackHeart good looks]] as similarly bad but creepy villains in the story get no such sympathy, though it might also be due to remembering the Pre-meltdown version and trying 'badly' to merge the two personas.

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s [[GoMadFromTheRevelation post-meltdown]] Sephiroth (in the image on the main page) was a sociopathic madman who [[PlotlineDeath killed Aerith]], burned down Cloud's [[DoomedHometown hometown]], betrayed his trust in a glorious way, and led him on a wild goose chase [[WalkingTheEarth all across the Planet]] simply to manipulate him into bringing him a magical DoomsdayDevice, which he then used to attempt to [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destroy the world]]. There isn't even the faintest hint of sympathy portrayed for him by any of the game's characters. However, this doesn't stop the fandom declaring him to be a HiveMind puppet of [[BiggerBad Jenova]], Jenova, and relegating him to the level of innocent commonly reserved for TheWoobie -- even though this theory was never implied in the game, and was [[{{Jossed}} blatantly disproven]] by WordOfGod and the [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental materials]].[[note]]In fact, it's the ''opposite''. Sephiroth is controlling ''Jenova''.[[/note]] This seems purely an effect of his [[WhiteHairBlackHeart good looks]] as similarly bad but creepy villains in the story get no such sympathy, though it might also be due to remembering the Pre-meltdown version and trying 'badly' to merge the two personas.
17th Jun '17 10:38:23 AM Steven
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** [[spoiler: Asriel, who is both TheWoobie and the antagonist as Flowey, gets a lot of sympathy due to how he died in his backstory and how even after his rebirth, he's still alone. In the game, Flowey taunts the player and then tries to kill them at the very end. On the good ending route, Flowey returns to his normal Asriel form and uses the souls of humans and monsters he collected to power up and change into his adult form and tries to kill you again while claiming he'll rule over the world as a god. Despite toying with people's lives and trying to kill the player character, who is a child, you can find a ''lot'' of fanart of adult Asriel that has him looking less evil and portraying him as completely 100% innocent. Some even go the extra mile in making him not just the God of Hyperdeath, [[Rule34 but also a god of hunk and sex appeal]] (even though mentally, Asriel is still a child).]]


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* Gaius van Baelsar in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' is seen as the most sympathetic villain in the whole game. He's a commander for TheEmpire and imposes their views and justifications on the people of Eorzea no matter what their stance is. Gaius has no qualms with having beastmen being slaughtered left and right to prevent them from summoning the aether sucking primals, even if some of the beastmen are innocent. Gaius also believes that only a powerful man is fit to be a ruler and that he (or at least the empire itself) is fit to rule over Eorzea since the people are nothing but "savages" that should be subjugated by the empire to quell the chaos and disorder in the land. Anyone that doesn't surrender to the empire is either killed or forced to serve in the empire's army. Despite everything that Gaius does or says that should paint him as a immoral or at least questionable, a lot of fans [[RootingForTheEmpire wish they were given the option to join him]] since they believe [[VillainHasAPoint he is not completely wrong in how Eorzea is chaotic and a mess with irredeemable qualities.]] [[spoiler: Even after Gaius dies in an explosion at the end of 2.0, fans refuse to believe that he died since [[NeverFoundTheBody his body was never shown]] and they feel that he is too much of a badass to die.]]
11th Jun '17 9:56:45 PM nombretomado
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* Nessiah from ''YggdraUnion''. Sure, he has one of the most tragic life of a villain, [[AllThereInTheManual but this isn't transferred within the game]], where he is a ManipulativeBastard and ManBehindTheMan who brings upon wars and genocides of multiple races with no remorse. A single clue of his humane comes from [[spoiler: Zombie Kylier's dying breath, [[PlayerPunch whom he's reanimated to torture your party anyway]].]] His MoralEventHorizon doesn't seem to stick to the fanbase [[VideoGame/BlazeUnion since he's rather cute and awkward in the prequel.]]

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* Nessiah from ''YggdraUnion''.''VideoGame/YggdraUnion''. Sure, he has one of the most tragic life of a villain, [[AllThereInTheManual but this isn't transferred within the game]], where he is a ManipulativeBastard and ManBehindTheMan who brings upon wars and genocides of multiple races with no remorse. A single clue of his humane comes from [[spoiler: Zombie Kylier's dying breath, [[PlayerPunch whom he's reanimated to torture your party anyway]].]] His MoralEventHorizon doesn't seem to stick to the fanbase [[VideoGame/BlazeUnion since he's rather cute and awkward in the prequel.]]
4th Jun '17 6:22:38 AM Ominae
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** Now we add Amara Balshem from ''2nd VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration''. Her first appearance is shooting down the entire Huckebein series, a fan-favorite mech thanks to their likeness with the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' mechs, shot down [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration Ing Egret]] twice, the second one being a sneak attack, and is very fanatical to her boss till he gets rid of her. The first point alone would have already marked her as TheScrappy for even thinking of killing an entire line of fan-favorite mechs. Instead, fan reaction is that the entire thing is not her fault but rather by Creator/NamcoBandai (granted, Namco Bandai have been shuffling out the Huckebein series due to likeness to Gundam since ''The Inspectors'' anime, but the act of having someone destroy it in-universe is still a pretty low blow), and true to the trope, it's because she's at least an attractive female when she's not putting up her 'fanatical' face, and being voiced by [[Creator/HarunaIkezawa a voice actress]] who [[Anime/DancougarNova voiced in an anime that became something of a regular series in the mainline SRW]]. She became so popular that they made her into a playable character in ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsEX Coffin of the End]]''. It also helps that while her act of destroying the Huckebein series was a dick move... it's ''not'' a MoralEventHorizon, someone else has done worse.

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** Now we add Amara Balshem from ''2nd VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration''. Her first appearance is shooting down the entire Huckebein series, a fan-favorite mech thanks to their likeness with the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' mechs, shot down [[Characters/SuperRobotWarsOriginalGeneration Ing Egret]] twice, the second one being a sneak attack, and is very fanatical to her boss till he gets rid of her. The first point alone would have already marked her as TheScrappy for even thinking of killing an entire line of fan-favorite mechs. Instead, fan reaction is that the entire thing is not her fault but rather by Creator/NamcoBandai Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment (granted, Namco Bandai have been shuffling out the Huckebein series due to likeness to Gundam since ''The Inspectors'' anime, but the act of having someone destroy it in-universe is still a pretty low blow), and true to the trope, it's because she's at least an attractive female when she's not putting up her 'fanatical' face, and being voiced by [[Creator/HarunaIkezawa a voice actress]] who [[Anime/DancougarNova voiced in an anime that became something of a regular series in the mainline SRW]]. She became so popular that they made her into a playable character in ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsEX Coffin of the End]]''. It also helps that while her act of destroying the Huckebein series was a dick move... it's ''not'' a MoralEventHorizon, someone else has done worse.
19th May '17 8:50:31 PM Teakay
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*** WordOfGod also added some retroactive whitewashing, i.e. claiming that while he did arrange for the poisoning of Arl Eamon, he didn't mean to poison him to ''[[https://web.archive.org/web/20150916112040/http://forum.bioware.com/topic/44854-the-complete-defense-of-loghain-mac-tir/?bioware=1 death]]'' (though the poisoning was apparently so effective that it could only be cured by a miraculous relic).
19th May '17 8:34:43 PM Teakay
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** Loghain mac Tir of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' gets the Leather Pants treatment, both in terms of fans who excuse his every horrendous action and those who actually lust after him. It's due in part to Loghain's literal PetTheDog moments [[spoiler:if you recruit him to the Grey Wardens]] and his backstory in the prequel novels seem to encourage it. But even aside from that, a lot of fans like to insist that he is actually the true hero of the story. This usually involves insisting he was right to abandon the unwinnable Battle of Ostagar and suggesting the Orlesians would have taken over Ferelden if he had allowed them into the country. It doesn't help that ''WordofGod'' confirmed that Cailan's plan was to ditch Anora after Ostagar in favor of the Empress of Orlais, which would have united the two rival nations. This makes Loghain's paranoia less insane. A lot of the actions that can't really be justified (selling citizens as slaves, torturing dissenters, slaughtering entire families) get blamed on Arl Howe, who is somehow the only one responsible for these things despite the fact that he is working for Loghain (and despite the fact that Loghain outright admits some of it and scoffs in the Warden's face if they try to call him on it later).

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** Loghain mac Tir of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' gets the Leather Pants treatment, both in terms of fans who excuse his every horrendous action and those who actually lust after him. It's due in part to Loghain's literal PetTheDog moments [[spoiler:if you recruit him to the Grey Wardens]] and his backstory in the prequel novels seem to encourage it. But even aside from that, a lot of fans like to insist that he is actually the true hero of the story. This usually involves insisting he was right to abandon the unwinnable Battle of Ostagar and suggesting the Orlesians would have taken over Ferelden if he had allowed them into the country. It doesn't help that ''WordofGod'' confirmed that Cailan's plan was to ditch Anora after Ostagar in favor of the Empress of Orlais, which would have united the two rival nations. This makes Loghain's paranoia less insane. A lot of the actions that can't really be justified (selling citizens as slaves, torturing dissenters, slaughtering entire families) get blamed on Arl Howe, who is somehow the only one responsible for these things despite the fact that he is working for Loghain (and despite the fact that Loghain outright admits responsibility for some of it and it, then scoffs in the Warden's face if they try to call him on it later).



** Samson from ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' is now getting this treatment. Despite committing horrendous atrocities for Corypheus, many buy into his excuse that the Chantry had abused templars for centuries by using their lyrium dependancy as a means to control them. Despite his unflattering looks, some also insist that he's quite attractive - which is no doubt helped out by him being voiced by Gideon Emery.
*** A lesser example in ''Inquisition'' comes from [[spoiler:Thom Rainier, a.k.a. [[DeadPersonImpersonation "Blackwall"]]]]. While their guilt over their past actions is a large part of their character, some fans still minimize some of their deeds, for example arguing [[spoiler:that he was entirely unaware of the family he had inadvertently ordered his men to kill]].

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** Samson from ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' is now getting this treatment. Despite committing horrendous atrocities for Corypheus, many buy into his excuse that the Chantry had abused templars for centuries by using their lyrium dependancy dependency as a means to control them. Despite his unflattering looks, some also insist that he's quite attractive - which is no doubt helped out by him being voiced by Gideon Emery.
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Emery. Also, he's one of the most mage-sympathetic templar antagonists; in his initial appearance in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' he was living on the streets after being drummed out of the Order for passing a mage's love letters, and he's still looking after the now-Tranquil mage in ''Inquisition.'' This goes hand-in-hand with a view of Commander Cullen as RonTheDeathEater and alleged CreatorsPet, as some of Samson's fans find the differing treatment of their lyrium addiction and actions (or inaction) in the previous game to be MoralDissonance.
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A lesser example in ''Inquisition'' comes from [[spoiler:Thom Rainier, a.k.a. [[DeadPersonImpersonation "Blackwall"]]]]. While their guilt over their past actions is a large part of their character, some fans still minimize some of their deeds, for example arguing [[spoiler:that he was entirely unaware of the family he had inadvertently ordered his men to kill]].
17th May '17 12:34:20 PM BSonirachi
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** ''Kirby's Dream Collection'' says that Magolor reformed and is now friends with Kirby, which is reflected in some of the mini-games available. Whether this is because of fan reaction to him, [[CreatorsPet creator reactions to him]], or maybe just because [[SugarBowl the Kirby universe is sweet and innocent enough to work that way]] is unknown.

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** ''Kirby's Dream Collection'' says that Magolor reformed and is now friends with Kirby, which is reflected in some of the mini-games available. Whether this is because of fan reaction to him, [[CreatorsPet [[CreatorsFavorite creator reactions to him]], or maybe just because [[SugarBowl the Kirby universe is sweet and innocent enough to work that way]] is unknown.
16th May '17 2:30:12 PM PrincessGwen
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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' has this with most, if not all, of it's evil characters. But lets focus on the most leather-pants'ed: [[Main/FatBastard Road]][[Main/MalevolentMaskedMan hog]] and [[Main/LeanAndMean Junk]][[Main/MadBomber rat.]] Both of these guys are violent murderers, [[Main/AffablyEvil but still a bit lovable, mostly Junkrat.]] But in a couple comics, both of them, mainly Roadhog, get turned from insane murderers to giant hug machienes.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' has this with most, if not all, of it's its evil characters. But lets let's focus on the most leather-pants'ed: [[Main/FatBastard Road]][[Main/MalevolentMaskedMan hog]] and [[Main/LeanAndMean Junk]][[Main/MadBomber rat.]] Both of these guys are violent murderers, [[Main/AffablyEvil but still a bit lovable, mostly Junkrat.]] But in a couple comics, both of them, mainly Roadhog, get turned from insane murderers to giant hug machienes.machines.
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