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7th Mar '17 2:01:38 PM KizunaTallis
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** Vamp. FanFic writers tend to treat him as this utterly tragic figure who just wants to be loved, all the while conveniently forgetting that he's a terrorist and a blood-drinking murderer who killed an innocent, defenseless girl [[AxCrazy for no discernible reason]]. This treatment seems to be from the effect of his looks.

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** Vamp. FanFic writers tend to treat him as this utterly tragic figure who just wants to be loved, all the while conveniently forgetting that he's a terrorist and a blood-drinking murderer who killed an innocent, defenseless girl [[AxCrazy for no discernible reason]]. This treatment seems to be from the effect result of his looks.[[DepravedBisexual bisexuality]] and the massive amounts of FoeYay he has with Raiden.



** Big Boss himself, although his is a special case. His backstory in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'' painted him as a [[TheWoobie genuinely sympathetic character]], causing fans to go so far as to excuse, if not outright defend his less than admirable actions in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear|1}}'' and ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake''. Some have even gone so far as to call Big Boss the true hero of the series for his intention to rebel against the Patriots' control, never mind Big Boss himself calling his son, Solid Snake, a better man than he ever would be.
** Some people overlook that Ocelot is a [[TortureTechnician sadistic torturer]] [[MoralEventHorizon and unrepentant mass murderer]] because he did it all to [[spoiler:end the Patriots and for Big Boss]]. Considering that it's young Ocelot who gets this treatment more often than [[BadassGrandpa old Ocelot]], it's probably less to due with his {{magnificent bastard}}ry and more to do with good looks.

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** Big Boss himself, although his is a special case. His backstory in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'' painted revealed him as to be a [[TheWoobie genuinely sympathetic character]], causing fans to go so far as to excuse, if not outright defend his less than admirable actions in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear|1}}'' and ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake''. Some have even gone so far as to call Big Boss the true hero of the series for his intention to rebel against the Patriots' control, never mind Big Boss himself calling his son, Solid Snake, a better man than he ever would be.
** Some people overlook that Ocelot is a [[TortureTechnician sadistic torturer]] and an [[MoralEventHorizon and unrepentant mass murderer]] because he did it all to [[spoiler:end the Patriots and for Big Boss]]. Considering Not helping is that it's young Ocelot who gets this treatment more often than was [[IWasQuiteALooker very attractive when he was younger]] (making him ripe for all kinds of shipping), and [[BadassGrandpa old Ocelot]], it's probably less to due with his Ocelot]] is a ''very'' {{magnificent bastard}}ry and more to do with good looks.bastard}}.



* While ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Nina Williams isn't explicitly a villain, she'sdescribed in-game as a cold-blooded, heartless assassin. She has no problems attempting to assassinate her son, and her depiction in the games is at best, as an amoral mercenary. But because she's a gorgeous blonde and the most badass of the female characters, she's become such an ensemble darkhorse that she even got her own spinoff game.

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* While ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Nina Williams isn't explicitly a villain, she'sdescribed she's described in-game as a cold-blooded, heartless cold-blooded and ruthless assassin. She has had no problems attempting to assassinate her son, son (until backing out at the last moment), and her depiction in the games is games, she is, at best, as an amoral mercenary. But because she's a gorgeous blonde and the most badass of the female characters, she's become such an ensemble darkhorse that she even got her own spinoff spin-off game.
17th Feb '17 10:01:15 PM Sonofstranger
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** Oddly enough, [[InsistentTerminology Ace Detective]] [[SmallNameBigEgo Luke Atmey]] from trial 3-2 has also gotten quite a bit of a following. This is mostly because his [[LargeHam over-the-top temperament]], general eccentricities, and quirky CatchPhrase make him a joy to be around, in spite of his arrogance. [[spoiler: His list of crimes includes murder, fraud, {{blackmail}}, larceny, being a MagnificentBastard, and also being quite a bit of a [[JerkAss Jerk]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ass]] to the other detectives]]. Like [[spoiler: Knightly]], he also has very few redeemable traits.
16th Feb '17 12:56:27 PM SpinAttaxx
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* Despite being [[RuleOfScary absolutely horrifying]], the animatronics at ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' are often portrayed as being much goofier and/or cuter in fan works. This may be due to the characters the robots are supposed to represent rather than the bots themselves. It also doesn't help that the actual protagonists of the game tend to be of the [[FeaturelessProtagonist featureless]] variety, so people feel more compelled to make art relating to the much more memorable, colorful animatronics, but the "mindless KillerRobot" characterization does not give one much to work with.
** Foxy gets to wear the leather pants more than any other villain due to his popularity. There is even [[http://freddy-fazbears-pizza.wikia.com/wiki/Theories_%26_Rumors#Foxy_is_a_Good_Guy a theory]] that he is even a good guy ''in universe'': according to this theory he becomes worried about Mike if he notices his camera hasn't been checked for a while and runs to the office to make sure the guard is okay okay, only for a malfunctioning voicebox to trigger a heart attack which kills Mike. In fairness, he ''is'' the only robot in the original game who does not get in the player's face when attacking, instead the Game Over is caused by him sorta "leaning" into the office through the door, it almost does look like he's just popping up to pass Mike a message.
** Turns out the animatronics are {{Tragic Villain}}s as confirmed by the 3rd game. [[spoiler:They are robots that are haunted by the murdered children,]] they are actually poor souls trapped inside new metal shells trying to get people to help them. But they are also vengeful spirits who hunt the night watch because they think he is the same killer who murdered them.
** There's also an increasing number of fans that portray the Purple Man, a ruthless child murderer, as a goofy and mischievous AntiVillain.

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* ''Franchise/FiveNightsAtFreddys'':
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Despite being [[RuleOfScary absolutely horrifying]], the animatronics at ''VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' are often portrayed as being much goofier and/or cuter in fan works. This may be due to the characters the robots are supposed to represent represent, rather than the bots themselves. It also doesn't help that the actual protagonists of the game tend to be of the [[FeaturelessProtagonist featureless]] variety, so people feel more compelled to make art relating to the much more memorable, colorful animatronics, but the "mindless KillerRobot" characterization does not give one much to work with.
** Foxy gets to wear the leather pants more than any other villain due to his popularity. There is even [[http://freddy-fazbears-pizza.wikia.com/wiki/Theories_%26_Rumors#Foxy_is_a_Good_Guy a theory]] that he is even a good guy ''in universe'': according to this theory he becomes worried about Mike if he notices his camera hasn't been checked for a while and runs to the office to make sure the guard is okay okay, only for a malfunctioning voicebox to trigger a heart attack which kills Mike. In fairness, he ''is'' the only robot in the original game who does not get in the player's face when attacking, attacking; instead the Game Over is caused by him sorta "leaning" into the office through the door, it almost does look like as if he's just popping up to pass Mike a message.
** Turns out There's also the implications through the series that the animatronics are {{Tragic Villain}}s as {{tragic villain}}s, which was eventually confirmed by the 3rd game. [[spoiler:They are robots that are ''Videogame/FiveNightsAtFreddys3''. [[spoiler:They're haunted by the children who were murdered children,]] they are actually poor souls trapped inside new metal shells trying to get people to help them. by a man dressed as one of the mascots. But they are at the same time, they're also vengeful spirits who distrust and hunt the night watch because they think he is adults, believing them to be the same killer who murdered them.
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** There's also an increasing number of fans that portray the Purple Man, a ruthless child murderer, as a goofy and mischievous AntiVillain. This only increased when the alternate continuity book, ''Literature/FiveNightsAtFreddysTheSilverEyes'' gave him a FreudianExcuse, and when ''Videogame/FiveNightsAtFreddysSisterLocation'' revealed [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he had a daughter]], whom he cared enough for to [[spoiler:protect her from his own animatronics]]. However, [[spoiler:said animatronics were also built with features that heavily imply he planned to use them to murder more children, and ultimately [[LaserGuidedKarma his own daughter ended up being a victim]]]].
** Among the animatronics, Springtrap rivals Foxy in terms of leather pants-wearing, with many interpreting him as a [[TheAtoner remorseful]] anti villain of some kind, despite being just as deadly as -- if not more than -- the other animatronics and [[spoiler:being haunted by the Purple Man]]. ''Videogame/FiveNightsAtFreddysSisterLocation'' added more fuel to this with its ending; [[spoiler:[[AmbiguousSituation though the wording is vague enough]] that it can refer to either the events of ''Sister Location'' or ''3''[='=]s minigames, protagonist Michael Afton's narration prior to Springtrap's appearance offers the possibility that ''he'' is Springtrap and not his father (who, if this is the case, is likely still alive somewhere)]].
15th Feb '17 1:33:07 PM ILikeRobots
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* Both of the ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Elibe]]'' villains from ''Franchise/FireEmblem'', King Zephiel and Nergal, get slapped with this treatment a lot. Both ''do'' have horrid pasts - the former (as ''Blazing Sword'' shows in one chapter) has AbusiveParents, with the mother ignoring him and the father having nearly ''murdered him twice,'' and the latter ''used'' to be a good shaman [[spoiler:and family man]] before being corrupted [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide by the dark side]]. Zephiel winds up waging a massive war against the whole continent with the intent of ''wiping out humanity,'' and Nergal wants something similar, except that he also wants to control dragonkind as well. But to a part of the fandom, they're only victims of the circumstances and not responsible for anything.
* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'':
** King Gangrel from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' is starting to get this, complete with [[TheWoobie woobification]]. Yes, [[spoiler: he had a genuinely DarkAndTroubledPast, wanting to unite the continent to fight Valm, and he's an effective deconstruction of TheCaligula once you get to recruit him and get his supports]]. But he was ''never'' out to avenge injustices against Plegia, and as revealed by his monlogue was out for revenge against the ''whole continent'', Plegia included, just because of his bad childhood. Gangrel's backstory, and supports makes no mention of the last war at all and even Gangrel states after becoming King he had forgotten his original goal of uniting the continent against Valm, and was simply doing WarForFunAndProfit. Yet fans claim Gangrel is a WellIntentionedExtremist out for revenge for the last war, despite the game making it clear he's anything, and that he only brought up the last war to hurt Emmeryn and, at most, attempt to gain support from the [[ReligionOfEvil Grimleal]]. Some fans go so far as to claim Gangrel is the first DiscOneFinalBoss to have a sympathetic motivation, even though there are plenty of villains like this, and Gangrel's motivation was selfish in his own words.
** The Dark Mage Zola gets some of this in ''Conquest'', where [[spoiler:he impersonates Izana, as he does in the other routes, then springs a trap on the unsuspecting Hoshidan royals, only to get turned on and executed by the Nohrian royals for his actions.]] There are some people who think that Zola legitimately did nothing wrong and would have ended the war far more quickly and with less bloodshed. These people overlook that [[spoiler: Zola's crimes in his method include violating the sovereignty of a neutral nation (a war crime), kidnapping and impersonating a government official, a violation of SacredHospitality (which may not seem like much now, but in a medieval society can be a matter of life or death to the point that [[Literature/TheDivineComedy Dante]] put those who betrayed their guests in the third level of the lowest circle of Hell) and, had the Nohrian siblings gone along with Zola's plan, would have most certainly led to the murder of prisoners of war (another war crime), considering Garon's orders in chapters 2 and 13. Had they managed to take Zola prisoner and keep him out of Garon's sight, he most certainly would have been tried, convicted, and executed for what he did. Additionally, given their actions in previous and later chapters, there is no guarantee that Garon, Iago and Hans ''wouldn't'' end up massacring Hoshidans en masse once the war is over anyway rendering the "less bloodshed" argument moot.]] This probably comes from Zola's portrayal in ''Birthright'', where he's painted in a more sympathetic light [[spoiler: including a HeelFaceDoorSlam.]]
14th Feb '17 8:08:21 PM Madrugada
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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Nohrian royal siblings get this treatment because of their messed-up childhoods in a DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them to fetishized victims who are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.
*** The Dark Mage Zola gets some of this in ''Conquest'', where [[spoiler:he impersonates Izana, as he does in the other routes, then springs a trap on the unsuspecting Hoshidan royals, only to get turned on and executed by the Nohrian royals for his actions.]] There are some people who think that Zola legitimately did nothing wrong and would have ended the war far more quickly and with less bloodshed. These people overlook that [[spoiler: Zola's crimes in his method include violating the sovereignty of a neutral nation (a war crime), kidnapping and impersonating a government official, a violation of SacredHospitality (which may not seem like much now, but in a medieval society can be a matter of life or death to the point that [[Literature/TheDivineComedy Dante]] put those who betrayed their guests in the third level of the lowest circle of Hell) and, had the Nohrian siblings gone along with Zola's plan, would have most certainly led to the murder of prisoners of war (another war crime), considering Garon's orders in chapters 2 and 13. Had they managed to take Zola prisoner and keep him out of Garon's sight, he most certainly would have been tried, convicted, and executed for what he did. Additionally, given their actions in previous and later chapters, there is no guarantee that Garon, Iago and Hans ''wouldn't'' end up massacring Hoshidans en masse once the war is over anyway rendering the "less bloodshed" argument moot.]] This probably comes from Zola's portrayal in ''Birthright'', where he's painted in a more sympathetic light [[spoiler: including a HeelFaceDoorSlam.]]

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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Nohrian royal siblings get this treatment because of their messed-up childhoods in a DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them to fetishized victims who are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.
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The Dark Mage Zola gets some of this in ''Conquest'', where [[spoiler:he impersonates Izana, as he does in the other routes, then springs a trap on the unsuspecting Hoshidan royals, only to get turned on and executed by the Nohrian royals for his actions.]] There are some people who think that Zola legitimately did nothing wrong and would have ended the war far more quickly and with less bloodshed. These people overlook that [[spoiler: Zola's crimes in his method include violating the sovereignty of a neutral nation (a war crime), kidnapping and impersonating a government official, a violation of SacredHospitality (which may not seem like much now, but in a medieval society can be a matter of life or death to the point that [[Literature/TheDivineComedy Dante]] put those who betrayed their guests in the third level of the lowest circle of Hell) and, had the Nohrian siblings gone along with Zola's plan, would have most certainly led to the murder of prisoners of war (another war crime), considering Garon's orders in chapters 2 and 13. Had they managed to take Zola prisoner and keep him out of Garon's sight, he most certainly would have been tried, convicted, and executed for what he did. Additionally, given their actions in previous and later chapters, there is no guarantee that Garon, Iago and Hans ''wouldn't'' end up massacring Hoshidans en masse once the war is over anyway rendering the "less bloodshed" argument moot.]] This probably comes from Zola's portrayal in ''Birthright'', where he's painted in a more sympathetic light [[spoiler: including a HeelFaceDoorSlam.]]
12th Feb '17 7:22:51 PM SaraJaye
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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', Peri of Nohr tends to get this. Fans tend to overlook her making a game out of killing servants simply because she has a FreudianExcuse. While seeing her mother die is tragic, its no excuse to knowingly kill other innocent people who have families themselves.

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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', Peri of Nohr tends to the Nohrian royal siblings get this. Fans tend to overlook her making a game out of killing servants simply this treatment because she has of their messed-up childhoods in a FreudianExcuse. While seeing her mother die is tragic, its no excuse DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them to knowingly kill other innocent people fetishized victims who have families themselves.are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.
11th Feb '17 9:20:05 PM Monsund
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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Kingdom of Nohr in general is starting to get this as a spillover of casting Hoshido in a RonTheDeathEater light. While the playable characters of both kingdoms are more or less decent folks ranging from FriendToAllLivingThings to JerkWithAHeartOfGold, the Nohrian royal siblings are treated as ~innocent and flawless woobies~ because of their messed-up childhoods in a DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them to fetishized victims who are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.

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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Kingdom Peri of Nohr in general is starting tends to get this as this. Fans tend to overlook her making a spillover game out of casting Hoshido in a RonTheDeathEater light. While the playable characters of both kingdoms are more or less decent folks ranging from FriendToAllLivingThings to JerkWithAHeartOfGold, the Nohrian royal siblings are treated as ~innocent and flawless woobies~ killing servants simply because of their messed-up childhoods in she has a DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them FreudianExcuse. While seeing her mother die is tragic, its no excuse to fetishized victims knowingly kill other innocent people who are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.have families themselves.
5th Feb '17 5:57:46 PM SaraJaye
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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', Peri of Nohr tends to get this. Fans tend to overlook her making a game out of killing servants simply because she has a FreudianExcuse. While seeing her mother die is tragic, its no excuse to knowingly kill other innocent people who have families themselves.

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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', Peri the Kingdom of Nohr tends in general is starting to get this. Fans tend this as a spillover of casting Hoshido in a RonTheDeathEater light. While the playable characters of both kingdoms are more or less decent folks ranging from FriendToAllLivingThings to overlook her making a game out of killing servants simply JerkWithAHeartOfGold, the Nohrian royal siblings are treated as ~innocent and flawless woobies~ because she has of their messed-up childhoods in a FreudianExcuse. While seeing her mother die is tragic, its no excuse DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them to knowingly kill other innocent people fetishized victims who have families themselves.are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.
24th Jan '17 11:36:31 PM Monsund
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** King Gangrel from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' is starting to get this, complete with [[TheWoobie woobification]] and his fans bashing Emmeryn and Chrom for daring to stand against him. Yes, [[spoiler: he had a genuinely DarkAndTroubledPast, wanting to unite the continent to fight Valm, and he's an effective deconstruction of TheCaligula once you get to recruit him and get his supports]]. But he wasn't justified in [[spoiler: staging the Ylisse/Plegia war and then trying to execute Emmeryn as part of his GenghisGambit, and there's no MoralDissonance -- just him [[BreakTheHaughty experiencing the consequences of his own actions]].]] Made even worse because [[spoiler: ''Gangrel himself'' [[TheAtoner comes to aknowledge how horrible his reign was]], and it becomes the base of his behavior and motivations once [[HeelFaceTurn he joins Chrom's army]]. (And a possible LoveRedeems scenario, if romanced with a Female!Avatar)]]. Some fans also forget that [[spoiler: Gangrel's goals wasn't about the Previous Exalt, but rather as part of a plan to unite Ylisse into one big Empire to fight against Valm.]] Just go tell that to the VocalMinority, however: woobiefying Gangrel ''completely'' misses the point of his character [[spoiler: and absolutely '''cheapens''' his great HiddenDepths.]]
** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Kingdom of Nohr in general is starting to get this as a spillover of casting Hoshido in a RonTheDeathEater light. While the playable characters of both kingdoms are more or less decent folks ranging from FriendToAllLivingThings to JerkWithAHeartOfGold, the Nohrian royal siblings are treated as ~innocent and flawless woobies~ because of their messed-up childhoods in a DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them to fetishized victims who are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.

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** King Gangrel from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' is starting to get this, complete with [[TheWoobie woobification]] and his fans bashing Emmeryn and Chrom for daring to stand against him.woobification]]. Yes, [[spoiler: he had a genuinely DarkAndTroubledPast, wanting to unite the continent to fight Valm, and he's an effective deconstruction of TheCaligula once you get to recruit him and get his supports]]. But he wasn't justified in [[spoiler: staging was ''never'' out to avenge injustices against Plegia, and as revealed by his monlogue was out for revenge against the Ylisse/Plegia war and then trying to execute Emmeryn as part of his GenghisGambit, and there's no MoralDissonance -- ''whole continent'', Plegia included, just him [[BreakTheHaughty experiencing the consequences of his own actions]].]] Made even worse because [[spoiler: ''Gangrel himself'' [[TheAtoner comes to aknowledge how horrible his reign was]], and it becomes the base of his behavior and motivations once [[HeelFaceTurn he joins Chrom's army]]. (And a possible LoveRedeems scenario, if romanced with a Female!Avatar)]]. Some fans also forget that [[spoiler: bad childhood. Gangrel's goals wasn't about backstory, and supports makes no mention of the Previous Exalt, but rather as part last war at all and even Gangrel states after becoming King he had forgotten his original goal of a plan to unite Ylisse into one big Empire to fight uniting the continent against Valm.]] Just go tell that to the VocalMinority, however: woobiefying Valm, and was simply doing WarForFunAndProfit. Yet fans claim Gangrel ''completely'' misses is a WellIntentionedExtremist out for revenge for the point last war, despite the game making it clear he's anything, and that he only brought up the last war to hurt Emmeryn and, at most, attempt to gain support from the [[ReligionOfEvil Grimleal]]. Some fans go so far as to claim Gangrel is the first DiscOneFinalBoss to have a sympathetic motivation, even though there are plenty of villains like this, and Gangrel's motivation was selfish in his character [[spoiler: and absolutely '''cheapens''' his great HiddenDepths.]]
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** From ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'', the Kingdom Peri of Nohr in general is starting tends to get this as this. Fans tend to overlook her making a spillover game out of casting Hoshido in a RonTheDeathEater light. While the playable characters of both kingdoms are more or less decent folks ranging from FriendToAllLivingThings to JerkWithAHeartOfGold, the Nohrian royal siblings are treated as ~innocent and flawless woobies~ killing servants simply because of their messed-up childhoods in she has a DeadlyDecadentCourt, handwaving how with the exception of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness Elise]] they ''are'' capable of cruelty and violence (at worst) or of very serious mistakes (at best) on any given route. Xander, Camilla and/or Leo fans love taking their characters and reducing them FreudianExcuse. While seeing her mother die is tragic, its no excuse to fetishized victims knowingly kill other innocent people who are never responsible for the bad decisions they take in-story, even when canon shows them as either already being or ultimately becoming aware of their faults.have families themselves.
11th Jan '17 4:20:43 PM Sammettik
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** Susie from ''VideoGameKirby/PlanetRobobot'' gets a similar treatment to Marx. While she did join forces with Kirby before the FinalBoss fight, it was an EnemyMine situation driven by PragmaticVillainy, not a genuine HeelFaceTurn, and she's still firmly in villain territory by the game's end.

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** Susie from ''VideoGameKirby/PlanetRobobot'' ''VideoGame/KirbyPlanetRobobot'' gets a similar treatment to Marx. While she did join forces with Kirby before the FinalBoss fight, it was an EnemyMine situation driven by PragmaticVillainy, not a genuine HeelFaceTurn, and she's still firmly in villain territory by the game's end.
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