History DracoInLeatherPants / LiveActionTV

8th Apr '18 9:58:50 AM nombretomado
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** [[TroubledButCute Eli]] is the latest example, along with [[TheBully Fitz.]] They both had an EscalatingWar where the both of them did pretty terrible things to each other, but the fangirls still love them -- even more {{egregious}} with Eli considering his CrazyJealousGuy tendencies towards [[TheIngenue Clare.]]

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** [[TroubledButCute Eli]] is the latest example, along with [[TheBully Fitz.]] They both had an EscalatingWar where the both of them did pretty terrible things to each other, but the fangirls still love them -- even more {{egregious}} JustForFun/{{egregious}} with Eli considering his CrazyJealousGuy tendencies towards [[TheIngenue Clare.]]
2nd Apr '18 7:38:16 AM Sapphirea2
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** The Tenth Doctor made some inexcusable choices, such as deposing Harriet Jones for showing him up, invalidating Rose for not wanting to be lumbered with a clone, ignoring Donna's pleas to keep her memories, and treated Mickey and Martha awfully. The worse part is that he never seems to notice the error of his ways and always has to be portrayed as being in the right. The fact he looks like David Tennant certainly seems to help his fangirls see him as more of a tortured, romantic hero.

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** The Tenth Doctor made some inexcusable choices, such as deposing Harriet Jones for showing him up, invalidating Rose for not wanting to be lumbered with a clone, ignoring Donna's pleas to keep her memories, and treated Mickey and Martha awfully. The worse worst part is that he never seems to notice the error of his ways and always has to be portrayed as being in the right. The fact he looks like David Tennant certainly seems to help his fangirls see him as more of a tortured, romantic hero.
*** Compare him to the Twelfth Doctor, who starts out as a GrumpyOldMan who HatesBeingTouched whose mistakes (antagonizing Danny Pink, trying to save Clara [[spoiler: from her own death]], not admitting his [[spoiler: blindness]] midway through Series 10, etc.) and no-perfect-option decisions (immortalizing Ashildr/Me instead of just letting her die, etc.) are not only ones he has to acknowledge in-universe but are heavily criticized by other characters and the narrative. (The key exception is his manipulation of [[spoiler: Bill Potts]] in the early going of "The Lie of the Land", which is seen as a ''severely'' OutOfCharacterMoment for him.) He acknowledges his flaws often and ends up being one of the most empathetic, loving, and self-sacrificing Doctors of all, with a regeneration that's the opposite of Ten's (neither wants to give up their identity for the greater good, but Ten is defiant to the end while Twelve chooses to accept it). But he's not '''nearly''' as popular as Ten because he looks like Creator/PeterCapaldi.
6th Mar '18 1:44:43 PM AHI-3000
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* Walter White from ''Series/BreakingBad'' still retains a hardcore fanbase who still sees him as an unambiguous hero, when the entire point of the show is seeing him do a long, gradual {{Face Heel Turn}}. To some, this involves wanting to murder the actress who plays his wife.

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* Walter White from ''Series/BreakingBad'' still retains a hardcore fanbase who still sees see him as an unambiguous hero, when the entire point of the show is seeing him do a long, gradual {{Face Heel Turn}}. FaceHeelTurn. [[FanDumb To some, some of them]], this involves wanting ''wanting to murder murder'' [[Creator/AnnaGunn the actress who plays plays]] [[TheScrappy his wife.wife Skyler]].
21st Feb '18 5:45:52 AM gb00393
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** Sansa Stark has this sentiment towards Prince Joffrey Baratheon in-universe, refusing to see him for the bully and DirtyCoward he is... [[spoiler:until he gets crowned king and orders her father's execution on false charges of treason and makes her watch, and then states he's going to rape her once she starts menstruating, and then also has her beaten when her eldest brother Robb causes Joffrey's armies no end of grief. She is summarily broken of this illusion.]]

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** Sansa Stark has this sentiment towards Prince Joffrey Baratheon in-universe, in-universe in Season 1, refusing to see him for the bully and DirtyCoward he is...is because she is in love with him... [[spoiler:until he gets crowned king and orders her father's execution on false charges of treason and makes her watch, and then states he's going to rape her once she starts menstruating, and then also has her beaten when her eldest brother Robb causes Joffrey's armies no end of grief. She is summarily broken of this illusion.]]
6th Jan '18 10:46:18 PM nombretomado
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** The Master, particularly in his Anthony Ainley and JohnSimm incarnations. In fan fiction, he's usually not portrayed as the murderous psychopath he is, but as just a mischievous, quirky, sexy guy who just wants to have some FoeYay with the Doctor. "The End Of Time" [[spoiler: which revealed that the drums which apparently drove the Master insane were planted as part of ThePlan by the Time Lords]] has only made it easier for those inclined to ignore or handwave his lengthy list of evil deeds with the "it wasn't his fault, they made him do it, he's really a sweetie!" card. The Ainley version is also walking around in the body of Nyssa's father. Thus, every time the Doctor battles him, he's facing the man who murdered the father of a close friend (along with her entire race) who is also in that same man's body, which gets creepier the more you think about it.

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** The Master, particularly in his Anthony Ainley and JohnSimm Creator/JohnSimm incarnations. In fan fiction, he's usually not portrayed as the murderous psychopath he is, but as just a mischievous, quirky, sexy guy who just wants to have some FoeYay with the Doctor. "The End Of Time" [[spoiler: which revealed that the drums which apparently drove the Master insane were planted as part of ThePlan by the Time Lords]] has only made it easier for those inclined to ignore or handwave his lengthy list of evil deeds with the "it wasn't his fault, they made him do it, he's really a sweetie!" card. The Ainley version is also walking around in the body of Nyssa's father. Thus, every time the Doctor battles him, he's facing the man who murdered the father of a close friend (along with her entire race) who is also in that same man's body, which gets creepier the more you think about it.
30th Dec '17 9:54:33 PM NOYB
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** It doesn't hurt that Ba'al is, while ruthless, nowhere near as despicable as most of the other Goa'uld in the show such as Apophis or Anubis. He has aided the good guys in the past against Anubis and the Replicators and has generally acted in an AffablyEvil manner. Also, his stance on the Ori conflict, that the [[NeglectfulPrecursor Ancients]] should be destroyed along with the Ori actually has a lot of merit given their aloofness and refusal to help even when problems they create (e.g. Anubis) threaten to destroy all life in the galaxy. Finally, even though he manipulates the timeline to become ruler of the galaxy in the Continuum movie, his intentions to form an alliance with Earth instead of enslaving it and grant freedom to the Jaffa seemed genuine. All in all Ba'al is a villain, but a nuanced one with many reasons to like him beyond his attractiveness and charm.

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** It doesn't hurt that Ba'al is, while ruthless, nowhere near as despicable as most of the other Goa'uld in the show such as Apophis or Anubis. He has aided the good guys in the past against Anubis and the Replicators and has generally acted in an AffablyEvil manner. Also, his stance on the Ori conflict, that the [[NeglectfulPrecursor Ancients]] should be destroyed along with the Ori actually has a lot of merit given their aloofness and refusal to help even when problems they create (e.g. Anubis) threaten to destroy all life in the galaxy. Finally, even though he manipulates the timeline to become ruler of the galaxy in the Continuum ''Continuum'' movie, his intentions to form an alliance with Earth instead of enslaving it and grant freedom to the Jaffa before his being backstabbed by Qetesh seemed genuine. All in all Ba'al is a villain, but a nuanced one with many reasons to like him beyond his attractiveness and charm.
30th Dec '17 9:44:20 PM NOYB
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** Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. In the aforementioned episode, he outright murders Agent Hand and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly. It gets even worse late in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he was tricked into killing.

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** Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. In the aforementioned episode, he outright murders Agent Hand and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly. It gets even worse late in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he was tricked into killing.girlfriend]].
14th Dec '17 6:53:16 AM ShorinBJ
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*** In fairness to Ward fans, Ward's characterization was all of the place. At least one behind the scenes interview post Season 1 confirmed Ward had genuinely come to care for his SHIELD teammates. Furthermore, early Season 2 clearly portrays him as TheAtoner. In the second half of Season 2, he displays traits of both an AntiHero and an AntiVillain. And throughout the season he makes frequent apologies and takes responsibility for his past actions. Ward being full-on evil in the Season 2 finale came out of nowhere in the eyes of his fans and his portrayal in Season 3 [[CharacterDerailment reduced him]] from being easily one of the most complex characters on the show to a CardCarryingVillain. Of course, YMMV.

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*** In fairness to Ward fans, Ward's characterization was all of over the place. At least one behind the scenes interview post Season 1 confirmed Ward had genuinely come to care for his SHIELD teammates. Furthermore, early Season 2 clearly portrays him as TheAtoner. In the second half of Season 2, he displays traits of both an AntiHero and an AntiVillain. And throughout the season he makes frequent apologies and takes responsibility for his past actions. Ward being full-on evil in the Season 2 finale came out of nowhere in the eyes of his fans and his portrayal in Season 3 [[CharacterDerailment reduced him]] from being easily one of the most complex characters on the show to a CardCarryingVillain. Of course, YMMV.
18th Oct '17 10:26:25 AM KizunaTallis
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* ''Series/{{Lost}}'': Ben Linus. Or as one Website/{{Youtube}} [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5rDe79n-g commenter]] put it:
--> "Intelligent, sexy, and fights for what he wants".
** Said commenter curiously failed to mention: "Sociopathic, manipulative, self-centered, and homicidal".

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* ''Series/{{Lost}}'': Ben Linus. Or as one Website/{{Youtube}} [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No5rDe79n-g commenter]] put it:
--> "Intelligent, sexy,
While he ''is'' certainly intelligent, driven, and fights for what he wants".
** Said commenter curiously failed to mention: "Sociopathic,
has [[JerkassWoobie his genuinely sympathetic moments]] here and there, he's also an unapologetic sociopath, manipulative, self-centered, and homicidal".homicidal.



* As Gaius Baltar has his cult of rabid, beyond-reason believers in ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'', so does he have his cult of rabid, beyond-reason believers in the real world. It helps that ''no one'' on that show is cut-and-dry good or evil; but as evil acts go, Gaius has performed many of the most shamelessly selfish ones.

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* As Gaius Baltar has his cult of rabid, beyond-reason believers in ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'', so does he have his cult of rabid, beyond-reason believers in the real world. It helps that ''no one'' on that show is cut-and-dry good or evil; evil, but as evil far as selfish acts go, Gaius has performed many of the most shamelessly selfish shameless ones.
7th Sep '17 3:11:53 AM MrThorfan64
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** Euron Greyjoy. Despite being introduced in Season 6 as a Trumpian figure who cut out his crew's tongues and killed his father, he earned this trope in Season 7. His vulgar wit, combined with his appearance of crashing down onto his niece Yara's ship riding a corvus, has made him a fan favorite.

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** Euron Greyjoy. Despite being introduced in Season 6 as a Trumpian figure who cut out his crew's tongues and killed his father, brother (who was admittedly a colossal jerk), he earned this trope in Season 7. His vulgar wit, combined with his appearance of crashing down onto his niece Yara's ship riding a corvus, has made him a fan favorite.
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