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20th Dec '15 9:32:58 AM Daniel1559
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** Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that Ward has caused as much emotional abuse as he received and thus muddying the abuse victim argument. In that episode, he outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly. It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying to stop him.
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** Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that Ward has caused as much emotional abuse as he received and thus muddying the abuse victim argument. In that episode, he outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly. It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying to stop him.
20th Dec '15 9:32:36 AM Daniel1559
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that [[spoiler: he outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying to stop him.
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]].Hydra. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that [[spoiler: Ward has caused as much emotional abuse as he received and thus muddying the abuse victim argument. In that episode, he outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying to stop him.
20th Dec '15 9:28:41 AM Daniel1559
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying to stop him.
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that [[spoiler: He he outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying to stop him.
20th Dec '15 9:28:10 AM Daniel1559
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans were outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA.
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans were outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA.HYDRA for trying to stop him.
20th Dec '15 9:27:35 AM Daniel1559
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a preception that the media has often neglected. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. Yet this perspective ignores that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans were outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA.
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a preception perception that the media has often neglected.neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. Yet While this perspective ignores is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans were outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA.
20th Dec '15 9:26:38 AM Daniel1559
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a preception that the media has often neglected. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. Yet this perspective ignores that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans were outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HUDRA
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a preception that the media has often neglected. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. Yet this perspective ignores that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans were outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HUDRAHYDRA. ** Agent 33, for similar reasons to Grant Ward
20th Dec '15 9:26:03 AM Daniel1559
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] There's pretty much no wiggle room for this character to come back from their horrific deeds; regardless, there is a outcry from his fans to give the character a chance to redeem himself due to his abusive childhood. ** It gets even worse in season 2 where his fans where outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] He has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions.]] He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Hydra to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he killed . Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that Ward should have been given a chance of redemption instead of being jailed for his crimes like anyone else would have been. ** It gets even worse in Season 3 with Stand With Warders (SWW) outrightly stating they will quit watching the show because they hate how he's a villain and they've ruined his character and/or retconned his background etc.
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** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. Hydra]]. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a preception that the media has often neglected. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. Yet this perspective ignores that [[spoiler: He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] There's pretty much no wiggle room for this character to come back from their horrific deeds; regardless, there is a outcry from his fans to give the character a chance to redeem himself due to his abusive childhood. ** ]] It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans where were outraged that SHIELD handed him over to the authorities, for being [[RealityEnsues a member of a terrorist organization planning to murder millions of American citizens.]] He has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions.]] He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Hydra to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he killed . ]] Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that Ward should have been given a chance of redemption instead of being jailed for his crimes like anyone else would have been. ** It gets even worse in Season 3 with Stand With Warders (SWW) outrightly stating they will quit watching the show because they hate how he's a villain and they've ruined his character and/or retconned his background etc. SHIELD is no better than HUDRA
19th Dec '15 7:44:00 PM nombretomado
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* The character of Detective Ronnie Gardocki, on ''TheShield'', developed a major cult following amongst fans of the show in spite of not receiving much screen time or character development during the first couple of seasons of the show outside the occasional nerd moment and ButtMonkey-style physical abuse moment. As such, many fans of the character began promoting the notion/belief that Ronnie was a nerdy and all all-around good guy who simply fell in with the wrong crowd at work and not a rotten to the core corrupt cop whose soul was as black as the rest of the team. Needless to say, even when Ronnie is hauled off kicking and screaming for his crimes committed as part of the Strike Team (which has to be spelled out to him by Dutch, when he reacts in a confused fashion when he's arrested) at the end of the series, fans of the character argue that Ronnie was the victim, having been screwed over by Vic Mackey, who ratted out Ronnie for immunity for all of his crimes (including murdering a fellow cop) and a cushy new job with the Feds. Ironically, even David Rees Snell is aware of the trope that his character suffers from, as seen in the [[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/08/shield.html following interview]].
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* The character of Detective Ronnie Gardocki, on ''TheShield'', ''Series/TheShield'', developed a major cult following amongst fans of the show in spite of not receiving much screen time or character development during the first couple of seasons of the show outside the occasional nerd moment and ButtMonkey-style physical abuse moment. As such, many fans of the character began promoting the notion/belief that Ronnie was a nerdy and all all-around good guy who simply fell in with the wrong crowd at work and not a rotten to the core corrupt cop whose soul was as black as the rest of the team. Needless to say, even when Ronnie is hauled off kicking and screaming for his crimes committed as part of the Strike Team (which has to be spelled out to him by Dutch, when he reacts in a confused fashion when he's arrested) at the end of the series, fans of the character argue that Ronnie was the victim, having been screwed over by Vic Mackey, who ratted out Ronnie for immunity for all of his crimes (including murdering a fellow cop) and a cushy new job with the Feds. Ironically, even David Rees Snell is aware of the trope that his character suffers from, as seen in the [[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/08/shield.html following interview]].
9th Dec '15 2:45:22 PM Discar
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Example Indentation and misuse.
* ''[[Series/{{AgentsOfSHIELD}} Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]]'' has [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] There's pretty much no wiggle room for this character to come back from their horrific deeds; regardless, there is a outcry from his fans to give the character a chance to redeem himself due to his abusive childhood.
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* ''[[Series/{{AgentsOfSHIELD}} Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]]'' has ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': ** [[spoiler: Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. He outright murders Agent Hand in this episode and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly.]] There's pretty much no wiggle room for this character to come back from their horrific deeds; regardless, there is a outcry from his fans to give the character a chance to redeem himself due to his abusive childhood.

*** It gets even worse in Season 3 with Stand With Warders (SWW) outrightly stating they will quit watching the show because they hate how he's a villain and they've ruined his character and/or retconned his background etc.
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*** ** It gets even worse in Season 3 with Stand With Warders (SWW) outrightly stating they will quit watching the show because they hate how he's a villain and they've ruined his character and/or retconned his background etc.

* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 1 BigBad Malcolm Merlyn gets this InUniverse in Season 3. Despite responsible for the murder of hundreds of people, and now including the death of Sara Lance, Oliver Queen, the show's DesignatedHero, can be seen constantly making excuses for him and sweeping his sins under the rug, even getting furious with others when they dare to go against the great Malcolm. While he has been called out on this, it's always in one ear, out the other, to the point that Ollie is even willing to start a massive war with the League of Assassins all to protect Malcolm.
4th Dec '15 1:40:10 PM FantasticFourFan97
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***It gets even worse in Season 3 with Stand With Warders (SWW) outrightly stating they will quit watching the show because they hate how he's a villain and they've ruined his character and/or retconned his background etc.
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