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27th Dec '16 4:02:27 PM nombretomado
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* Gene Hunt, the "[[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain overweight, over-the-hill, nicotine-stained, borderline alcoholic homophobe with a superiority complex and an unhealthy obsession with male bonding]]" DCI in ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''AshesToAshes'' has somehow become a huge sex symbol.

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* Gene Hunt, the "[[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain overweight, over-the-hill, nicotine-stained, borderline alcoholic homophobe with a superiority complex and an unhealthy obsession with male bonding]]" DCI in ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''AshesToAshes'' ''Series/AshesToAshes'' has somehow become a huge sex symbol.
3rd Dec '16 8:08:15 PM Cakeman
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* ''Series/AmericanHorrorStory''
** Though Dandy Mott is a PsychopathicManchild whose also a serial killer that murdered his own mother and bathed in blood, that is not to say that there are some fans that sympathize with him. After all, there are rich people who have gotten bored in the past. He also claims that he identifies with the freaks, though in the final episode he decides that he's going to kill everyone (other than Bette and Dott), in the freak show. He also claims that he loves Bette and Dott, though it's doubtful that if he truly loved the Tattler twins he wouldn't have gone after their friends and family in the first place.



* Julian Sark from ''Series/{{Alias}}'' is amoral, killing people left and right to further his own goals, and yet he still has a horde of infatuated fangirls ready to throw themselves at his feet without a second thought. They tend to swoon over his PrettyBoy looks, [[SharpDressedMan fashion sense]], posh English accent, dry wit and keen intelligence.



* Julian Sark from ''Series/{{Alias}}'' is amoral, killing people left and right to further his own goals, and yet he still has a horde of infatuated fangirls ready to throw themselves at his feet without a second thought. They tend to swoon over his PrettyBoy looks, [[SharpDressedMan fashion sense]], posh English accent, dry wit and keen intelligence.
1st Nov '16 1:39:24 PM Janessa_B
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*** In fairness to Ward fans, Ward's characterization was all of the place. At least one behind the scenes interview post Season 1 confirmed Ward had genuinely come to care for his SHIELD teammates. Furthermore, early Season 2 clearly portrays him as TheAtoner. In the second half of Season 2, he displays traits of both an AntiHero and an AntiVillain. And throughout the season he makes frequent apologies and takes responsibility for his past actions. Ward being full-on evil in the Season 2 finale [[AssPull came out of nowhere]] in the eyes of his fans and his portrayal in Season 3 [[CharacterDerailment reduced him]] from being easily one of the most complex characters on the show to a Card-CarryingVillain. Of course, YMMV.

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*** In fairness to Ward fans, Ward's characterization was all of the place. At least one behind the scenes interview post Season 1 confirmed Ward had genuinely come to care for his SHIELD teammates. Furthermore, early Season 2 clearly portrays him as TheAtoner. In the second half of Season 2, he displays traits of both an AntiHero and an AntiVillain. And throughout the season he makes frequent apologies and takes responsibility for his past actions. Ward being full-on evil in the Season 2 finale [[AssPull came out of nowhere]] in the eyes of his fans and his portrayal in Season 3 [[CharacterDerailment reduced him]] from being easily one of the most complex characters on the show to a Card-CarryingVillain.CardCarryingVillain. Of course, YMMV.
1st Nov '16 1:38:36 PM Janessa_B
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** In fairness to Ward fans, Ward's characterization was all of the place. At least one behind the scenes interview post Season 1 confirmed Ward had genuinely come to care for his SHIELD teammates. Furthermore, early Season 2 clearly portrays him as TheAtoner. The second half of Season 2 has him display traits of both an AntiHero and and AntiVillain. And throughout the season he makes frequent apologies and takes responsibility for his past actions. Ward being full-on evil in the Season 2 finale [[AssPull came out of nowhere]] in the eyes of his fans and his portrayal in Season 3 [[CharacterDerailment reduced him]] from being easily one of the most complex characters on the show to a Card-CarryingVillain. Of course, YMMV.

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** *** In fairness to Ward fans, Ward's characterization was all of the place. At least one behind the scenes interview post Season 1 confirmed Ward had genuinely come to care for his SHIELD teammates. Furthermore, early Season 2 clearly portrays him as TheAtoner. The In the second half of Season 2 has him display 2, he displays traits of both an AntiHero and and an AntiVillain. And throughout the season he makes frequent apologies and takes responsibility for his past actions. Ward being full-on evil in the Season 2 finale [[AssPull came out of nowhere]] in the eyes of his fans and his portrayal in Season 3 [[CharacterDerailment reduced him]] from being easily one of the most complex characters on the show to a Card-CarryingVillain. Of course, YMMV.
1st Nov '16 1:37:01 PM Janessa_B
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** Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that Ward has caused as much emotional abuse as he received and thus muddying the abuse victim argument. In that episode, he outright murders Agent Hand and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly. It gets even worse in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying to stop him.
** Agent 33, for similar reasons to Grant Ward

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** Agent Grant Ward, who in the episode "Turn Turn Turn" is revealed to be a double agent working for Hydra. The character has drawn sympathy from abuse survivors under the Stand With Ward hashtag whom want him to be redeemed due to a perception that the media has often neglected or vilified abuse survivors. This is due to his sympathetic backstory. While this is true, fans of Ward tend to ignore that Ward has caused as much emotional abuse as he received and thus muddying In the abuse victim argument. In that aforementioned episode, he outright murders Agent Hand and spends the next five episodes storming S.H.I.E.L.D. compounds and killing his former allies willy-nilly. It gets even worse late in season 2 where he has gone on to kill more people, brutally torture a member of Coulsen's team, laid a trap to kill even more SHIELD agents and either taken [[NeverMyFault no responsibility for his past actions]], or has, but makes no effort to change himself. agents. He has even taken over [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HYDRA to avenge the murder of his girlfriend]] whom he accidentally killed. Yet was tricked into killing.
**In fairness to Ward fans, Ward's characterization was all of the place. At least one behind the scenes interview post Season 1 confirmed Ward had genuinely come to care for his SHIELD teammates. Furthermore, early Season 2 clearly portrays him as TheAtoner. The second half of Season 2 has him display traits of both an AntiHero and and AntiVillain. And throughout the season he makes frequent apologies and takes responsibility for his past actions. Ward being full-on evil in the Season 2 finale [[AssPull came out of nowhere]] in the eyes of
his fans insist that he is not at fault and that SHIELD is no better than HYDRA for trying his portrayal in Season 3 [[CharacterDerailment reduced him]] from being easily one of the most complex characters on the show to stop him.
** Agent 33, for similar reasons to Grant Ward
a Card-CarryingVillain. Of course, YMMV.
21st Oct '16 7:37:39 PM ShorinBJ
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*** In Karofsky's case, a lot of his fans mostly just preffered [[{{TheBear}} one type of male fanservice]] over [[{{Bishonen}} what they usually got]]

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*** In Karofsky's case, a lot of his fans mostly just preffered preferred [[{{TheBear}} one type of male fanservice]] over [[{{Bishonen}} what they usually got]]
21st Oct '16 7:26:13 PM ShorinBJ
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** Duncan Kane, [[spoiler: who raped the protagonist.]] This was not only overlooked by the majority of fandom, but the narrative. The fandom even goes so far as to blame Logan for it for [[spoiler: getting Duncan high]]. The narrative goes even further by having Veronica and Duncan [[spoiler:get back together 2 episodes after the reveal]]
22nd Sep '16 8:57:28 PM nombretomado
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* BeverlyHills90210 has Kelly Taylor, who could be the page image for BrokenBase. Some see her as TheScrappy, others are fans of her but identify that she's a TroubledButCute flawed human being [[JerkassWoobie with reasons for why she turned out how she did]], and then there's the third category, every mean comment she makes, every bad thing she does, anything she does is justified to them by her FreudianExcuse. And woe be unto any character [[HateDumb (or fan)]] who says anything bad about her, they end up a permanent RonTheDeathEater. Some fans [[InsaneTrollLogic even do this with the actress, Jennie Garth]] in a weird inversion of XPacHeat, [[spoiler:which is actually easier to do than with Kelly because Jennie Garth is a very sweet person in real life, it only gets ridiculous when people start calling her twitter updates a "life changing experience"]].

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* BeverlyHills90210 ''Series/BeverlyHills90210'' has Kelly Taylor, who could be the page image for BrokenBase. Some see her as TheScrappy, others are fans of her but identify that she's a TroubledButCute flawed human being [[JerkassWoobie with reasons for why she turned out how she did]], and then there's the third category, every mean comment she makes, every bad thing she does, anything she does is justified to them by her FreudianExcuse. And woe be unto any character [[HateDumb (or fan)]] who says anything bad about her, they end up a permanent RonTheDeathEater. Some fans [[InsaneTrollLogic even do this with the actress, Jennie Garth]] in a weird inversion of XPacHeat, [[spoiler:which is actually easier to do than with Kelly because Jennie Garth is a very sweet person in real life, it only gets ridiculous when people start calling her twitter updates a "life changing experience"]].
14th Aug '16 4:19:06 AM sgtpepperony1994
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**The Tenth Doctor made some inexcusable choices, such as deposing Harriet Jones for showing him up, invalidating Rose for not wanting to be lumbered with a clone, ignoring Donna's pleas to keep her memories, and treated Mickey and Martha awfully. The worse part is that he never seems to notice the error of his ways and always has to be portrayed as being in the right. The fact he looks like David Tennant certainly seems to help his fangirls see him as more of a tortured, romantic hero.
9th May '16 4:31:09 AM erforce
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** An InUniverse example: In the episode "The Stinsons", it's revealed that Barney apparently does this for every movie he watches. For example, he thinks [[JerkJock Johnny Lawrence]] was the titular [[TheKarateKid Karate Kid]], thought Hans Gruber was the star of ''Film/DieHard'' [[InsaneTrollLogic (because he was "the only character in the movie in a suit"]] and "he died hard") and thought the Terminator was the protagonist of his [[TheTerminator film]], even going so far as to cry when he was crushed in the hydraulic press ("they didn't even try to help him!"). Barney's views on the villain being the main character has even extended to outright horrifying villains with little to no sympathetic or redeeming qualities such as King [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Joffrey]] [[Series/GameOfThrones Baratheon]] and [[Franchise/StarWars Emperor Sheev Palpatine]]. He even considers the former the wisest and most enlightened king Westeros ever had!

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** An InUniverse example: In the episode "The Stinsons", it's revealed that Barney apparently does this for every movie he watches. For example, he thinks [[JerkJock Johnny Lawrence]] was the titular [[TheKarateKid Karate Kid]], thought Hans Gruber was the star of ''Film/DieHard'' [[InsaneTrollLogic (because he was "the only character in the movie in a suit"]] and "he died hard") and thought the Terminator was the protagonist of his [[TheTerminator [[Film/TheTerminator film]], even going so far as to cry when he was crushed in the hydraulic press ("they didn't even try to help him!"). Barney's views on the villain being the main character has even extended to outright horrifying villains with little to no sympathetic or redeeming qualities such as King [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Joffrey]] [[Series/GameOfThrones Baratheon]] and [[Franchise/StarWars Emperor Sheev Palpatine]]. He even considers the former the wisest and most enlightened king Westeros ever had!
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