History DorkAge / WesternAnimation

1st May '18 10:27:30 AM OlfinBedwere
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** This show suffered in [[UsefulNotes/LooneyTunesInTheSixties the Sixties]] (you know something has gone terribly wrong when they have WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck chasing WesternAnimation/SpeedyGonzales around for some reason) after the original animation unit was shuttered and work was turned over to Creator/DePatieFrelengEnterprises. Fortunately, this Dork Age comes with fair warning: if you catch a cartoon that opens with a weird version of their theme song set to trippy graphics spinning around, and the cartoon is ''not'' Creator/ChuckJones's ''WesternAnimation/NowHearThis'' (or possibly ''Norman Normal''), you're going to get to see their Dork Age.

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** This show suffered The first example actually came quite early on, between around 1933 and 1935. After directors [[Creator/HarmanAndIsing Hugh Harman and Rudolf Ising]] stormed out and took the studio's first star, Bosko -- a fairly dull character by modern-day standards, but one who still has a certain appeal -- with them, their replacements created a new lead character called Buddy, who went on to star in some of the most utterly bland and insipid cartoons ever made; his first replacement, Beans the Cat was a ''little'' better-received, but not really much of an improvement. It wasn't until the arrival of Creator/TexAvery, and WesternAnimation/PorkyPig being turned into their headline star, that things really started looking up.
** A lesser one hit during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, due to Avery quitting after a fall-out with the studio management, Creator/ChuckJones taking a few years to find his feet as a director, many of the studio's top staff being drafted into the military, and a good chunk of their output in this period being racist propaganda cartoons. Fortunately, this era does have one big saving grace in that Creator/BobClampett was on top of his game and producing arguably the best work of his career, with Creator/FrizFreleng's output also being generally quite solid (if not quite in the same league as his post-war cartoons).
** The more major Dork Age set in during
[[UsefulNotes/LooneyTunesInTheSixties the Sixties]] (you know something has gone terribly wrong when they have WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck chasing WesternAnimation/SpeedyGonzales around for some reason) after the original animation unit was shuttered and work was turned over to Creator/DePatieFrelengEnterprises. Fortunately, this Dork Age comes with fair warning: if you catch a cartoon that opens with a weird version of their theme song set to trippy graphics spinning around, and the cartoon is ''not'' Creator/ChuckJones's ''WesternAnimation/NowHearThis'' (or possibly ''Norman Normal''), you're going to get to see their Dork Age.
26th Apr '18 3:36:26 AM CaptainTedium
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* When you see WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse [[FullyDressedCartoonAnimal fully dressed with a hat and long pants]], and it's not a costume trying to invoke a certain setting or role, you know he's not going to be any more interesting than your neighbor. Disney historians fully admit the increased emphasis on WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck and WesternAnimation/{{Goofy}} was partly caused by Mickey's iconic fame making him slightly inflexible and too 'sweet' to put in funny cartoons or as anyone's foil. Earlier, he was a mischievous adventurer (''Franchise/KingdomHearts'', [[OlderThanTheyThink ironically]], is fairly close to this depiction). DorkAge Mickey sits at home and gives Pluto orders like a bossy, boring parent. Another indication of DorkAge Mickey is if he had eyebrows on him (as in, eyebrows below face borders[[note]]The lines that separates Mickey's black fur from his white or cream face[[/note]] that normally function as [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment eyebrows]]). {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the Disney Vault ''[[Series/SaturdayNightLive TV Funhouse]]'' sketch ("You're supposed to be ''funny''?"). That line came about from Robert Smigel's puzzlement of Mickey Mouse being such an iconic kids character when most kids can't actually name a defining trait or characteristic for him.



** Ironically, in contrast to the Mickey Mouse and Betty Boop examples above, WesternAnimation/PorkyPig actually managed to avert this. Though he was pretty decisively upstaged by WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck and WesternAnimation/BugsBunny and never regained the star power he had in the 1930's, he was repurposed as a sidekick to Daffy, Sylvester and others and continued to appear in very funny cartoons (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/DuckDodgersInTheTwentyFourthAndAHalfCentury'', ''WesternAnimation/RobinHoodDaffy'') until the end of his career.

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** Ironically, in contrast to the Mickey Mouse and Betty Boop examples example above, WesternAnimation/PorkyPig actually managed to avert this. Though he was pretty decisively upstaged by WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck and WesternAnimation/BugsBunny and never regained the star power he had in the 1930's, he was repurposed as a sidekick to Daffy, Sylvester and others and continued to appear in very funny cartoons (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/DuckDodgersInTheTwentyFourthAndAHalfCentury'', ''WesternAnimation/RobinHoodDaffy'') until the end of his career.
21st Apr '18 5:47:48 PM KagSwirby
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** Ironically, In contrast to the Mickey Mouse and Betty Boop examples above, WesternAnimation/PorkyPig actually managed to avert this. Though he was pretty decisively upstaged by WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck and WesternAnimation/BugsBunny and never regained the star power he had in the 1930's, he was repurposed as a sidekick to Daffy, Sylvester and others and continued to appear in very funny cartoons (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/DuckDodgersInTheTwentyFourthAndAHalfCentury'', ''WesternAnimation/RobinHoodDaffy'') until the end of his career.

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** Ironically, In in contrast to the Mickey Mouse and Betty Boop examples above, WesternAnimation/PorkyPig actually managed to avert this. Though he was pretty decisively upstaged by WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck and WesternAnimation/BugsBunny and never regained the star power he had in the 1930's, he was repurposed as a sidekick to Daffy, Sylvester and others and continued to appear in very funny cartoons (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/DuckDodgersInTheTwentyFourthAndAHalfCentury'', ''WesternAnimation/RobinHoodDaffy'') until the end of his career.
9th Apr '18 11:31:27 PM Twentington
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** Many fans agree that the first Dork Age spanned from Season 9 to Season 12, a four-season period lead by showrunner Mike Scully. Although Seasons 9-10 were mostly well-received, they still featured several episodes that never became popular with fans. Season 11 and, to a degree, season 12, on the other hand, are infamous for being two of the worst in the history of the Simpsons. The show's humor became far darker, cruder and more self parodying in these two seasons, with episodes that were considered overly wacky and cartoonish and featured an overabundance of guest stars. This resulted in many fans deciding that the show had JumpedTheShark, and refused to continue watching.

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** Many fans agree that the first Dork Age spanned from Season 9 to Season 12, a four-season period lead led by showrunner Mike Scully. Although Seasons 9-10 were mostly well-received, they still featured several episodes that never became popular with fans. Season 11 and, to a degree, season 12, on the other hand, are infamous for being two of the worst in the history of the Simpsons. The show's humor became far darker, cruder and more self parodying in these two seasons, with episodes that were considered overly wacky and cartoonish and featured an overabundance of guest stars. This resulted in many fans deciding that the show had JumpedTheShark, and refused to continue watching.
8th Mar '18 2:39:36 PM MyFinalEdits
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* The ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'' cartoons had a Dork Age that lasted for nearly two decades (1992-2009). It started with the [[BrokenBase divisive]] ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' series, and continued with the LighterAndSofter Generation 3 and Generation 3.5, which is considered to be the worst part of it. Generation 2 didn't even get a show. It finally ended with [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Generation 4]] and the rise of [[PeripheryDemographic bronies]].
** ''Friendship is Magic'' has seen its own share of arguable dips. The initial one was the reaction to the departure of Creator/LaurenFaust following the first season, though this was brief and the second season was widely regarded as a good torch carrier by the end. The second (and most prominent) was during the third season, which was shorter than the rest and didn't feel as well-written (with various fandom theories accusing the decision to make main character Twilight Sparkle an alicorn princess [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E13MagicalMysteryCure at the end]] or the introduction of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' franchise as the main culprits). The show managed to redeem itself with a stronger (and lengthier) fourth season. Finally the sixth season has been targeted as another weak point due to an almost complete change in writing staff, a preponderance of episodes that were divisive at best, and the presence of new cast member Starlight Glimmer, the central antagonist of the previous season and argued to be a SpotlightStealingSquad. The seventh season seems to be allaying those concerns with some highly praised episodes like "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E7ParentalGlideance Parental Glideance]]", "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E10ARoyalProblem A Royal Problem]]", and "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E13ThePerfectPear The Perfect Pear]]" and is generally agreed to have returned to it's previous quality.

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* ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'':
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The ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'' earlier cartoons had a Dork Age that lasted for nearly two decades (1992-2009). It started with the [[BrokenBase divisive]] ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' series, and continued with the LighterAndSofter Generation 3 and Generation 3.5, which is considered to be the worst part of it. Generation 2 didn't even get a show. It finally ended with [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Generation 4]] and the rise of [[PeripheryDemographic bronies]].
** ''Friendship is Magic'' has seen its own share of arguable dips. ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. The initial one dip was the reaction to the departure of Creator/LaurenFaust following the first season, though this was brief and the second season was widely regarded as a good torch carrier by the end. The second (and most prominent) was during the third season, which was shorter than the rest and didn't feel as well-written (with various fandom theories accusing the decision to make main character Twilight Sparkle an alicorn princess [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E13MagicalMysteryCure at the end]] or the introduction of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' franchise as the main culprits). The show managed to redeem itself with a stronger (and lengthier) fourth season. Finally the sixth season has been targeted as another weak point due to an almost complete change in writing staff, a preponderance of episodes that were divisive at best, and the presence of new cast member Starlight Glimmer, the central antagonist of the previous season and argued to be a SpotlightStealingSquad. The seventh season seems to be allaying those concerns with some highly praised episodes like "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E7ParentalGlideance Parental Glideance]]", "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E10ARoyalProblem A Royal Problem]]", and "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E13ThePerfectPear The Perfect Pear]]" and is generally agreed to have returned to it's its previous quality.
8th Mar '18 10:25:17 AM jamespolk
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** This show suffered in [[UsefulNotes/LooneyTunesInTheSixties the Sixties]] (you know something has gone terribly wrong when they have WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck chasing WesternAnimation/SpeedyGonzales around for some reason) after the original animation unit was shuttered and work was turned over to Creator/DePatieFrelengEnterprises. Fortunately, this Dork Age comes with fair warning: if you catch a cartoon that opens with a weird version of their theme song set to trippy graphics spinning around, and the cartoon is ''not'' Creator/ChuckJones's ''Now Hear This'' (or possibly ''Norman Normal''), you're going to get to see their Dork Age.

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** This show suffered in [[UsefulNotes/LooneyTunesInTheSixties the Sixties]] (you know something has gone terribly wrong when they have WesternAnimation/DaffyDuck chasing WesternAnimation/SpeedyGonzales around for some reason) after the original animation unit was shuttered and work was turned over to Creator/DePatieFrelengEnterprises. Fortunately, this Dork Age comes with fair warning: if you catch a cartoon that opens with a weird version of their theme song set to trippy graphics spinning around, and the cartoon is ''not'' Creator/ChuckJones's ''Now Hear This'' ''WesternAnimation/NowHearThis'' (or possibly ''Norman Normal''), you're going to get to see their Dork Age.
14th Feb '18 10:00:09 PM RicardoRenegado
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** ''Friendship is Magic'' has seen its own share of arguable dips. The initial one was the reaction to the departure of Creator/LaurenFaust following the first season, though this was brief and the second season was widely regarded as a good torch carrier by the end. The second (and most prominent) was during the third season, which was shorter than the rest and didn't feel as well-written (with various fandom theories accusing the decision to make main character Twilight Sparkle an alicorn princess [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E13MagicalMysteryCure at the end]] or the introduction of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' franchise as the main culprits). The show managed to redeem itself with a stronger (and lengthier) fourth season. Finally the sixth season has been targeted as another weak point due to an almost complete change in writing staff, a preponderance of episodes that were divisive at best, and the presence of new cast member Starlight Glimmer, the central antagonist of the previous season and argued to be a SpotlightStealingSquad. The seventh season seems to be allaying those concerns with some highly praised episodes like "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E7ParentalGlideance Parental Glideance]]", "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E10ARoyalProblem A Royal Problem]]" (which has also helped Starlight Glimmer's appeal in the process), and "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E13ThePerfectPear The Perfect Pear]]" and is generally agreed to have returned to it's previous quality.

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** ''Friendship is Magic'' has seen its own share of arguable dips. The initial one was the reaction to the departure of Creator/LaurenFaust following the first season, though this was brief and the second season was widely regarded as a good torch carrier by the end. The second (and most prominent) was during the third season, which was shorter than the rest and didn't feel as well-written (with various fandom theories accusing the decision to make main character Twilight Sparkle an alicorn princess [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E13MagicalMysteryCure at the end]] or the introduction of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' franchise as the main culprits). The show managed to redeem itself with a stronger (and lengthier) fourth season. Finally the sixth season has been targeted as another weak point due to an almost complete change in writing staff, a preponderance of episodes that were divisive at best, and the presence of new cast member Starlight Glimmer, the central antagonist of the previous season and argued to be a SpotlightStealingSquad. The seventh season seems to be allaying those concerns with some highly praised episodes like "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E7ParentalGlideance Parental Glideance]]", "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E10ARoyalProblem A Royal Problem]]" (which has also helped Starlight Glimmer's appeal in the process), Problem]]", and "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E13ThePerfectPear The Perfect Pear]]" and is generally agreed to have returned to it's previous quality.
3rd Jan '18 7:23:49 AM cwickham
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** After Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner ended, the quality of the show improved - thus, the first Dork Age ended. From Seasons 13 to ''The Simpsons Movie'', many fans who hadn't yet stopped watching noted that the writing and humor became more consistantly enjoyable, with the good episodes outnumbering the bad ones again. Also, the promise of a theatrical Simpsons film in 2007 allowed older, golden-age fans to become interested in the show again, giving writers good reason to try extra-hard to create solid new episodes. However, up to and after TheMovie's DVD release (Season 19 onwards), the second Dork Age of the show began. This was because the hype of the first theatrical Simpsons film had been lost, giving viewers little reason to continue watching the show. This Dork Age has continued up until the present.

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** After Mike Scully's tenure as showrunner ended, ended and he was replaced by Al Jean, one of the show's original writers, the quality of the show improved - thus, the first Dork Age ended. From Seasons 13 to ''The Simpsons Movie'', many fans who hadn't yet stopped watching noted that the writing and humor became more consistantly enjoyable, with the good episodes outnumbering the bad ones again. Also, the promise of a theatrical Simpsons film in 2007 allowed older, golden-age fans to become interested in the show again, giving writers good reason to try extra-hard to create solid new episodes. However, up to and after TheMovie's DVD release (Season 19 onwards), the second Dork Age of the show began. This was because the hype of the first theatrical Simpsons film had been lost, giving viewers little reason to continue watching the show. This Dork Age has continued up until the present.
19th Nov '17 10:38:52 PM Vir
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* It's safe to say that Creator/DCComics' [[WesternAnimation/DCComicsAnimated animation unit]] has been experiencing this for their TV stuff for CN (averted for [[WesternAnimation/DCUniverseAnimatedOriginalMovies their DTV line of animated films]] and their CW Seed animated shows for the ''Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'') when ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' and ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'' got cancelled by Creator/CartoonNetwork, which marked the downfall of the DC Nation block. While ''WesternAnimated/BewareTheBatman'' got a good reception from critics and fans, it was ScrewedByTheNetwork and eventually aired its remaining episodes on Creator/AdultSwim, it's widely agreed that ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is responsible for this happening in addition to CN's overexposure of the show and to the point that ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueAction'' (which has gotten a better response than ''Go!'') was largely ignored by CN. That being said, the unit has regained some goodwill when in 2016, it was confirmed that ''Young Justice'' would be {{Uncancelled}} for a new season in 2018 but it remains to be seen if this will end the current dork age or not.

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* It's safe to say that Creator/DCComics' [[WesternAnimation/DCComicsAnimated animation unit]] has been experiencing this for their TV stuff for CN (averted for [[WesternAnimation/DCUniverseAnimatedOriginalMovies their DTV line of animated films]] and their CW Seed animated shows for the ''Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'') when ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' and ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'' got cancelled by Creator/CartoonNetwork, which marked the downfall of the DC Nation block. While ''WesternAnimated/BewareTheBatman'' got a good reception from critics and fans, it was ScrewedByTheNetwork and eventually aired its remaining episodes on Creator/AdultSwim, it's widely agreed that ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is responsible for this happening in addition to CN's overexposure of the show and to the point that ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueAction'' (which has gotten a better response than ''Go!'') was largely ignored by CN. That being said, the unit has regained some goodwill when in 2016, it was confirmed that ''Young Justice'' would be {{Uncancelled}} UnCanceled for a new season in 2018 but it remains to be seen if this will end the current dork age or not.
7th Nov '17 6:18:10 AM KagSwirby
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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' fell into one of these after the first movie's release in 2004. After the creator Steven Hillenburg left, fans began to notice that episodes were becoming either bland and unfunny or violent and mean-spirited. Characters also became [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] to unbelievably high levels, and when they weren't acting like parodies of themselves, they were being tortured miserably by the world around them. Alongside the overabundance of over-hyped specials, it could easily coincide with Nickelodeon's dork age. While Season 4 didn't have much of this, seasons 5-7 are usually reviled among the fanbase for these reasons. Season 8 was a slight improvment and season 9 had a lot of episodes that were really liked by the [=SpongeBob=] fanbase, but the Dork Age had officialy ended in the eyes of many with the second [=SpongeBob=] movie, ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobMovieSpongeOutOfWater Sponge out of Water]]'', when Steven Hillenburg returned to the helm of the series in general.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' fell into one of these after the first movie's release in 2004. After the creator Steven Stephen Hillenburg left, fans began to notice that episodes were becoming either bland and unfunny or violent and mean-spirited. Characters also became [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] to unbelievably high levels, and when they weren't acting like parodies of themselves, they were being tortured miserably by the world around them. Alongside the overabundance of over-hyped specials, it could easily coincide with Nickelodeon's dork age. While Season 4 didn't have much of this, seasons 5-7 are usually reviled among the fanbase for these reasons. Season 8 was a slight improvment and season 9 had a lot of episodes that were really liked by the [=SpongeBob=] fanbase, but the Dork Age had officialy ended in the eyes of many with the second [=SpongeBob=] movie, ''[[WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobMovieSpongeOutOfWater Sponge out of Water]]'', when Steven Stephen Hillenburg returned to the helm of the series in general.
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