History DorkAge / Sports

22nd Oct '17 2:32:57 PM nombretomado
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** To make matters worst, during the period, MLB entered a revenue sharing joint venture with Creator/{{ABC}} and Creator/{{NBC}} (after their previous four year long television billion dollar television deal with {{CBS}} wound up costing the network approximately $500 million) called '''The Baseball Network'''. The Baseball Network was problematic because it emphasized the regionalization of the first two rounds of the postseason (meaning that they would be played simultaneously, yet the entire nation couldn't watch them or have much of a choice in regards to which game you could watch). More to the point, the first half of the regular season had no nationally televised, network TV coverage (only picking up after the All-Star Game). Plus, since the ''Baseball Night in America'' (the branding for the Baseball Network's regular season, prime time telecasts) held exclusivity over every market, it most severely impacted markets with two franchises. For example, if ''Baseball Night in America'' showed a Yankees game, this meant that nobody in New York could see that night's Mets game and vice versa. Further hampering the Baseball Network was that it was implemented in 1994, and thus critically damaged by the strike, finally being dissolved after the 1995 season, as MLB soon partnered with Fox, which it has remained with ever since.

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** To make matters worst, during the period, MLB entered a revenue sharing joint venture with Creator/{{ABC}} and Creator/{{NBC}} (after their previous four year long television billion dollar television deal with {{CBS}} Creator/{{CBS}} wound up costing the network approximately $500 million) called '''The Baseball Network'''. The Baseball Network was problematic because it emphasized the regionalization of the first two rounds of the postseason (meaning that they would be played simultaneously, yet the entire nation couldn't watch them or have much of a choice in regards to which game you could watch). More to the point, the first half of the regular season had no nationally televised, network TV coverage (only picking up after the All-Star Game). Plus, since the ''Baseball Night in America'' (the branding for the Baseball Network's regular season, prime time telecasts) held exclusivity over every market, it most severely impacted markets with two franchises. For example, if ''Baseball Night in America'' showed a Yankees game, this meant that nobody in New York could see that night's Mets game and vice versa. Further hampering the Baseball Network was that it was implemented in 1994, and thus critically damaged by the strike, finally being dissolved after the 1995 season, as MLB soon partnered with Fox, which it has remained with ever since.
20th Aug '17 2:56:44 AM PkmnFightr
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* Given that the Golden State Warriors have been [[TheAce the NBA's best]] (and most hated) team since the middle of TheNewTens, it's tough to remember that they were a complete joke from 1975 to 2015. The Warriors were actually a decent to good team during their early years (first in Philadelphia until 1962, then in the San Francisco Bay Area since then), boasting three Championships (in 1947 [[note]]The first ever NBA (then known as the BAA) championship[[/note]], 1956, and 1975), and NBA legends such as Joe Fulks, Al Attles, WiltChamberlain, and Rick Barry. In the years following the 1975 Championship, though, it was constant pain for Warriors fans, as the Dubs turned into one of the league's whipping boys thanks to constant playoff misses, bad draft choices (e.g. Joe Barry Carroll and Chris Washburn), and uninspired player transactions (the team let go of ROBERT PARISH!). There was some respite in the late 80's and early 90's, as the fast-paced Run TMC trio wowed fans with their lightning-fast play and high-octane offense. Unfortunately, the end of the Run TMC era ushered in a dark period from 1994 to 2012 when the Dubs missed the playoffs in EVERY SEASON except for a one-off cameo in 2007 (known as the We Believe Warriors). Despite some bright spots (the aforementioned "We Believe" team and their upset of the first-seed Mavericks, the presence of studs such as Antawn Jamison and Jason Richardson), that period was filled with crappy draft picks (Joe Smith over Kevin Garnett, Todd Fuller over Kobe Bryant etc.), poor personnel decisions (huge contracts given to scrubs like Erick Dampier and Andris Biedrins, signing old guys like Terry Cummings and John Starks), and several controversies (Latrell Sprewell choking his coach, Monta Ellis getting into a moped accident). The Warriors fans' suffering, though, would come to a close as that dark period ended, as the Warriors ended up getting a much-needed ownership change, while smartly using the picks earned from near-constant suckitude on building blocks like Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green. Such a transition ended up bringing the Dubs back into the playoffs in 2013, and a further coaching change reaped TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS and Kevin Durant, ensuring that the Dubs' Dork age is dead and gone.

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* Given that the Golden State Warriors have been [[TheAce the NBA's best]] (and most hated) team since the middle of TheNewTens, it's tough to remember that they were a complete joke from 1975 to 2015. The Warriors were actually a decent to good team during their early years (first in Philadelphia until 1962, then in the San Francisco Bay Area since then), boasting three Championships (in 1947 [[note]]The first ever NBA (then known as the BAA) championship[[/note]], 1956, and 1975), and NBA legends such as Joe Fulks, Al Attles, WiltChamberlain, and Rick Barry. In the years following the 1975 Championship, though, it was constant pain for Warriors fans, as the Dubs turned into one of the league's whipping boys thanks to constant playoff misses, bad draft choices (e.g. Joe Barry Carroll and Chris Washburn), and uninspired player transactions (the team let go of ROBERT PARISH!). Robert Parish, who became a key member of the 80's Celtics' dynasty). There was some respite in the late 80's and early 90's, as the fast-paced Run TMC trio wowed fans with their [[FragileSpeedster lightning-fast play play]] and [[GlassCannon high-octane offense. offense]]. Unfortunately, the end of the Run TMC era ushered in a dark an even darker period from 1994 to 2012 when the Dubs missed the playoffs in EVERY SEASON except for a one-off cameo in 2007 (known as the We Believe Warriors). Despite some bright spots (the aforementioned "We Believe" team and their upset of the first-seed Mavericks, the presence of studs such as Antawn Jamison and Jason Richardson), that period was filled with crappy draft picks (Joe Smith over Kevin Garnett, Todd Fuller over Kobe Bryant etc.), poor personnel decisions (huge ([[RichInDollarsPoorInSense huge contracts given to scrubs scrubs]] like Erick Dampier and Andris Biedrins, signing old guys past-their-prime players like Terry Cummings and John Starks), and several controversies (Latrell ([[WhatTheHellHero Latrell Sprewell choking his coach, coach]], Monta Ellis [[WhatAnIdiot getting into a moped accident). accident]]). The Warriors fans' suffering, though, suffering would come to a close as when that dark period ended, as the Warriors ended up getting a much-needed ownership change, while smartly using the key draft picks (mostly earned from near-constant suckitude suckitude) on building blocks like Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, such as Creator/StephenCurry, [[ImprobableAimingSkills Klay]] [[NumberTwo Thompson]], and Draymond Green. [[LightningBruiser Draymond]] [[BloodKnight Green]]. Such a transition ended up bringing the Dubs back into the playoffs in 2013, and a further coaching change reaped TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS and Three NBA finals appearances, Two championships, an NBA regular season record, an NBA playoffs record, AND Kevin Durant, ensuring that the stench of the Dubs' 40-year long Dork age is pretty much dead and gone.
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20th Aug '17 2:48:41 AM PkmnFightr
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* Given that the Golden State Warriors have been [[TheAce the NBA's best]] (and most hated) team since the middle of TheNewTens, it's tough to remember that they were a complete joke from 1975 to 2015. The Warriors were actually a decent to good team during their early years (first in Philadelphia until 1962, then in the San Francisco Bay Area since then), boasting three Championships (in 1947 [[note]]The first ever NBA (then known as the BAA) championship[[/note]], 1956, and 1975), and NBA legends such as Joe Fulks, Al Attles, WiltChamberlain, and Rick Barry. In the years following the 1975 Championship, though, it was constant pain for Warriors fans, as the Dubs turned into one of the league's whipping boys thanks to constant playoff misses, bad draft choices (e.g. Joe Barry Carroll and Chris Washburn), and uninspired player transactions (the team let go of ROBERT PARISH!). There was some respite in the late 80's and early 90's, as the fast-paced Run TMC trio wowed fans with their lightning-fast play and high-octane offense. Unfortunately, the end of the Run TMC era ushered in a dark period from 1994 to 2012 when the Dubs missed the playoffs in EVERY SEASON except for a one-off cameo in 2007 (known as the We Believe Warriors). Despite some bright spots (the aforementioned "We Believe" team and their upset of the first-seed Mavericks, the presence of studs such as Antawn Jamison and Jason Richardson), that period was filled with crappy draft picks (Joe Smith over Kevin Garnett, Todd Fuller over Kobe Bryant etc.), poor personnel decisions (huge contracts given to scrubs like Erick Dampier and Andris Biedrins, signing old guys like Terry Cummings and John Starks), and several controversies (Latrell Sprewell choking his coach, Monta Ellis getting into a moped accident). The Warriors fans' suffering, though, would come to a close as that dark period ended, as the Warriors ended up getting a much-needed ownership change, while smartly using the picks earned from near-constant suckitude on building blocks like Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and Draymond Green. Such a transition ended up bringing the Dubs back into the playoffs in 2013, and a further coaching change reaped TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS and Kevin Durant, ensuring that the Dubs' Dork age is dead and gone.
18th Aug '17 8:23:20 AM Rytex
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* The Disney era for the Anaheim Ducks was a mixed bag, but was on the whole a lot worse than the current era.
** Back then, their name was Film/{{The Mighty Ducks}} of Anaheim, with the logo of a duck goalie mask in front of a puck with two crossed hockey sticks behind it, and they were used more for movie publicity than they were as a sports team (as were their sister franchise, the Anaheim Angels). While their traditional home and away jerseys and the original logo are often looked back on fondly by fans (even to the point where the old logo was brought back for the current third jerseys), their [[http://www.gamewornauctions.net/images/products/88681d3201735679.jpg third jerseys from the 1995-96 season]] is considered one of the worst in the sport's history. Overall, the Ducks were both literally and figuratively treated as a Mickey Mouse organization by everyone including the ownership.
** While the Ducks were not a bad team, they were never really good either, making the playoffs four times in twelve seasons, and only making the Stanley Cup finals once in 2003. Even with breakout players like Paul Kariya, Teemu Selanne, Jean-Sebastian Giguere, Andy [=McDonald=] and Steve Rucchin, they could never quite consistently compete for playoff spots until after the ownership changed.



** 3. Several expansions into Southern markets that are either uninterested or unsupportive of their new hockey teams. The financial situation of the Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes has been bad enough at times that the ''league'' itself has stepped in to run them while still insisting that the franchise is viable long-term. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Thrashers drew so poorly, they were uprooted and awarded back to Winnipeg in what could almost be seen as an apology to Canadian fans who'd lost two franchises south to the US.

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** 3. Several expansions into Southern markets that are either uninterested or unsupportive of their new hockey teams. The financial situation of the Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes has been bad enough at times that the ''league'' itself has stepped in to run them while still insisting that the franchise is viable long-term. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Thrashers drew so poorly, they were uprooted and awarded back to Winnipeg in what could almost be seen as an apology to Canadian fans who'd lost two franchises south to the US. And now there's a team in Las Vegas that will begin play in 2017.
3rd Jul '17 10:17:27 PM rushguy1
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** The Mike Sherman years definitely qualify as their latest Dork Age. In addition to being their coach, he was also given the mantle of general manager after Ron Wolf retired. To say this was a colossal mistake was an understatement; Sherman's scouting abilities were virtually nonexistent and resulted in such [[SarcasmMode stellar draft picks]] as Ahmad "Highway 28" Carroll and B.J. Sander. The latter was taken in the third round, and he was a punter. That Sherman ''traded up'' to get. In addition to that, photos surfaced of him asleep at the player combines, which only fueled the fire against him. While they posted decent records under Sherman and won the NFC North three times, they struggled in the playoffs. The Packers suffered their first home playoff loss under his tenure, a 277 asskicking at the hands of the Atlanta Falcons, and also their second, a 3117 loss to the Minnesota Vikings in 2005. The 2005 season resulted in a 412 record, the first losing season for the Packers since 1991, and resulted in Sherman's firing. Some argue that the seeds of Brett Favre's diva attitude were sown here as well; whereas Mike Holmgren wasn't afraid to smack him upside the head when he did something stupid, Sherman's coaching philosophy seemed to be "Brett can do whatever the hell he wants." It's no coincidence that his interceptions trended higher in this period, culminating in a 29-interception season in 2005. When Mike [=McCarthy=] was hired, everyone rejoiced.

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** The Mike Sherman years definitely qualify as their latest Dork Age. In addition to being their coach, he was also given the mantle of general manager after Ron Wolf retired. To say this was a colossal mistake was an understatement; Sherman's scouting abilities were virtually nonexistent and resulted in such [[SarcasmMode stellar draft picks]] as Ahmad Carroll (a cornerback who was notorious for constantly giving up big plays, earning him the nickname "Highway 28" Carroll 28") and B.J. Sander. The latter was taken in the third round, and he was Sander, a punter. That punter that Sherman ''traded up'' to get. In addition to that, photos surfaced of him asleep at the player combines, which only fueled the fire against him. While they posted decent records under Sherman and won the NFC North three times, they struggled in the playoffs. The Packers suffered their first home playoff loss under his tenure, a 277 asskicking at the hands of the Atlanta Falcons, and also their second, a 3117 loss to the Minnesota Vikings in 2005. The 2005 season resulted in a 412 record, the first losing season for the Packers since 1991, and resulted in Sherman's firing. Some argue that the seeds of Brett Favre's diva attitude were sown here as well; whereas Mike Holmgren wasn't afraid to smack him upside the head when he did something stupid, Sherman's coaching philosophy seemed to be "Brett can do whatever the hell he wants." It's no coincidence that his interceptions trended higher in this period, culminating in a 29-interception season in 2005. When Mike [=McCarthy=] was hired, everyone rejoiced.
1st Jul '17 1:24:03 PM Smugleaf_Raptors2012
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** Beloved forward Ryan Smyth was the centerpiece of the second DorkAge. Just like Gretzky and Messier, the Oilers could not afford to keep Smyth, who was set to enter free agency at the end of the year. At the 2007 trade deadline, a year after he was the centerpiece of an improbable Cup run, Smyth was sent to the New York Islanders for prospects. The Oilers finished the 200607 season on a 2161 slide, knocking them out of playoff contention. As of 2014, they have yet to return to the playoffs, racking up three consecutive number 1 draft picks between 2010 and 2012.

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** Beloved forward Ryan Smyth was the centerpiece of the second DorkAge. Just like Gretzky and Messier, the Oilers could not afford to keep Smyth, who was set to enter free agency at the end of the year. At the 2007 trade deadline, a year after he was the centerpiece of an improbable Cup run, Smyth was sent to the New York Islanders for prospects. The Oilers finished the 200607 season on a 2161 slide, knocking them out of playoff contention. As of 2014, they have yet The Oilers failed to return to make the playoffs, playoffs until the 2016-17 season, while racking up three consecutive 4 number 1 draft picks in 6 years between 2010 and 2012.



* Many NHL teams hit extreme slumps after success. For example, the Detroit Red Wings were better known as the "Dead Things" after Gordie Howe retired (until Steve Yzerman took over...15 years later), the Chicago Blackhawks took two rebuilds to get back to mediocrity, and the Washington Capitals spent several years as a bottom feeder team before rebounding.

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* Many NHL teams hit extreme slumps after success. For example, the Detroit Red Wings were better known as the "Dead Things" after Gordie Howe retired (until Steve Yzerman took over...15 years later), the Chicago Blackhawks took two rebuilds to get back to mediocrity, and the Washington Capitals spent several years as a bottom feeder team before rebounding.rebounding by drafting Alexander Ovechkin.
27th Apr '17 9:19:12 PM AreYouTyler
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* After years of success in Oakland and Los Angeles, the Oakland Raiders entered a Dork Age after their 2003 curb-stomping by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Super Bowl XXXVII (Who were led by Jon Gruden, the head coach Al Davis practically gave away with contempt). In the ten seasons since, they haven't returned to the playoffs and only finished better than 5-11 three times, in 2010 and 2011 with 88 records, and 2015 at 79. All but the most apologetic NFL fans point to Al Davis' waning health and mental capabilities late in life, and his stubborn refusal step down as General Manager. Some fans think it actually started with Davis' falling out and eventual acrimonious split with running back Marcus Allen in 1993 (Allen left as a free agent and signed with the Raiders' bitter rival, Kansas City). Things have started turn around with Davis' son, Mark Davis, in control.

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* After years of success in Oakland and Los Angeles, the Oakland Raiders entered a Dork Age after their 2003 curb-stomping by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Super Bowl XXXVII (Who were led by Jon Gruden, the head coach Al Davis practically gave away with contempt). In the ten seasons since, Since then, their playoff drought lasted until 2016, and they haven't returned to the playoffs and only finished better than 5-11 three four times, in 2010 and 2011 with 88 records, and 2015 at 79.79, and 2016 with a 12-4 record. All but the most apologetic NFL fans point to Al Davis' waning health and mental capabilities late in life, and his stubborn refusal step down as General Manager. Some fans think it actually started with Davis' falling out and eventual acrimonious split with running back Marcus Allen in 1993 (Allen left as a free agent and signed with the Raiders' bitter rival, Kansas City). Things have started to turn around with Davis' son, Mark Davis, in control.
11th Mar '17 9:37:09 PM Jhonny
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* If the Cleveland Browns were European and played soccer, they might be the 1.FC Nürnberg. One of the finest teams of the 1920s and still pretty damn good up to the 1968 championship (their ninth), they managed to do what no team had done before or done since - they were relegated as reigning champions. The years after that were painful attempts to get back into the first division, which they only managed once they had given up on it - only to get relegated promptly thereafter. They proceeded to buy players that - as 1968 coach Max Merkel observed - would not be worth the price a butcher would ask for them and proceeded to humiliate and embarrass their fans in every way possible, despite a brief respite in the 1980s when a young team made it to the UEFA Cup and the DFB-Cup final (which they lost to Bayern München). However, in 2007 the team seemed to have finally caught a break. Lead by beloved coach Hans Meyer, they made it to the Cup Final and won it this time. With a bright future ahead, a team was assembled that could tackle the European games to come.... Only to manage something which has ''also'' not been done by any other German team before or since: They were relegated as reigning cup champions. Solid work boys, solid work. Basically everything since (and including) 1969 has been a giant dork age and unlike other examples, there seems to be just no end in sight. Fans have taken to the phrase "Der Glubb is a Debb - Aber ich mooch nan" [[note]]dialect for: "The Club (Nuremberg is often referred to as simply "Der Club" which in Franconia is prononuced with a G) is an idiot - but I still love it"[[/note]]

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* If the Cleveland Browns were European and played soccer, they might be the 1.FC Nürnberg. One of the finest teams in all of soccer during the 1920s and still pretty damn good up to the 1968 championship (their ninth), they managed to do what no team had done before or done since - they were relegated as reigning champions.champions. Among the things they screwed up after their ninth championship was trading the leading scorer, Franz Brungs, of the league ''against his express wishes'' - it was then believed that a new squad ready to tackle the coming European games had to be assembled and there was no place for Brungs anymore. The result was one of the strongest team ever to be relegated from the ''Bundesliga'' but relegated they were. The years after that were painful attempts to get back into the first division, which they only managed once they had given up on it - only to get relegated promptly thereafter. They proceeded to buy players that - as 1968 coach Max Merkel observed - would not be worth the price a butcher would ask for them and proceeded to humiliate and embarrass their fans in every way possible, despite a brief respite in the 1980s when a young team made it to the UEFA Cup and the DFB-Cup final (which they lost to Bayern München). However, in 2007 the team seemed to have finally caught a break. Lead by beloved coach Hans Meyer, they made it to the Cup Final and won it this time. With a bright future ahead, a team was assembled that could tackle the European games to come.... (notice a pattern?) Only to manage something which has ''also'' not been done by any other German team before or since: They were relegated as reigning cup champions. Solid work boys, solid work. Basically everything since (and including) 1969 has been a giant dork age and unlike other examples, there seems to be just no end in sight. Fans have taken to the phrase "Der Glubb is a Debb - Aber ich mooch nan" [[note]]dialect for: "The Club (Nuremberg is often referred to as simply "Der Club" which in Franconia is prononuced pronounced with a G) is an idiot - but I still love it"[[/note]]
11th Mar '17 9:31:49 PM Jhonny
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** The 49ers under the York family have turned into the NFL's joke, save for a 4-year run (2011-2015) under Jim Harbaugh's tutelage. The Niners' struggles began when the Yorks replaced head coach Steve Mariucci with Dennis Erickson, who proceeded to have two straight losing seasons while coaching practically the same team Mariucci led to the playoffs. Not helping was an increasingly toxic locker-room atmosphere (sparked primarily by the feud between Quarterback Jeff Garcia and Wide Receiver Terrell Owens), the departures of key players like Owens, Garcia, and Garrison Hearst, and the drafting of infamous bust Rashaun Woods. Things seemed to turn around in 2005, when Erickson and GM Terry Donahue were fired and the team selected quarterback Alex Smith with the Number One pick. Unfortunately, Erickson's successor as head coach, Mike Nolan, was no better, and Smith was pretty much an injury-prone bust during his early career. The Niners then replaced Nolan with Mike Singletary, who was a good motivator (a strange example was when he dropped his pants to allude to his team's embarrassing play) but an otherwise mediocre coach, and the Niners kept on losing. However, the Niners' constant losing hid the fact that they were able to draft key building blocks such as Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Andy Lee, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, NaVorro Bowman, and Colin Kaepernick. Said building blocks (and Alex Smith's improvement) led to the team becoming a powerhouse once Harbaugh arrived. Unfortunately, said success would end once Harbaugh left due to a dispute with management and was replaced by Jim Tomsula, who was just flat-out incompetent. With key players either leaving (like Willis, Smith, Gore etc.), getting injured (Bowman), or just flat-out struggling (Kaepernick), the Niners went from playoff contenders to the NFL's laughingstock, even after Tomsula was replaced by Chip Kelly, who was eventually fired as well. Thankfully, a new GM (John Lynch), a new head coach (Kyle Shanahan), some young prospects (Carlos Hyde, Eric Reid, and DeForrest Buckner, to name a few), and a host of free-agent signings (e.g. Pierre Garcon and Malcolm Smith) may mean that the Dork Age might be nearing its end, but the stench of the Yorks' ownership might still keep it going.

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** The 49ers under the York family have turned into the NFL's joke, save for a 4-year run (2011-2015) under Jim Harbaugh's tutelage. The Niners' struggles began when the Yorks replaced head coach Steve Mariucci with Dennis Erickson, who proceeded to have two straight losing seasons while coaching practically the same team Mariucci led to the playoffs. Not helping was an increasingly toxic locker-room atmosphere (sparked primarily by the feud between Quarterback Jeff Garcia and Wide Receiver Terrell Owens), the departures of key players like Owens, Garcia, and Garrison Hearst, and the drafting of infamous bust Rashaun Woods. Things seemed to turn around in 2005, when Erickson and GM Terry Donahue were fired and the team selected quarterback Alex Smith with the Number One pick. Unfortunately, Erickson's successor as head coach, Mike Nolan, was no better, and Smith was pretty much an injury-prone bust during his early career. The Niners then replaced Nolan with Mike Singletary, who was a good motivator (a strange example was when he dropped his pants to allude to his team's embarrassing play) but an otherwise mediocre coach, and the Niners kept on losing. However, the Niners' constant losing hid the fact that they were able to draft key building blocks such as Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Andy Lee, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, NaVorro Bowman, and Colin Kaepernick. Said building blocks (and Alex Smith's improvement) led to the team becoming a powerhouse once Harbaugh arrived. Unfortunately, said success would end once Harbaugh left due to a dispute with management and was replaced by Jim Tomsula, who was just flat-out incompetent. With key players either leaving (like Willis, Smith, Gore etc.), getting injured (Bowman), or just flat-out struggling (Kaepernick), the Niners went from playoff contenders to the NFL's laughingstock, even after Tomsula was replaced by Chip Kelly, who was eventually fired as well. Thankfully, a new GM (John Lynch), a new head coach (Kyle Shanahan), some young prospects (Carlos Hyde, Eric Reid, and DeForrest [=DeForrest=] Buckner, to name a few), and a host of free-agent signings (e.g. Pierre Garcon and Malcolm Smith) may mean that the Dork Age might be nearing its end, but the stench of the Yorks' ownership might still keep it going.
11th Mar '17 9:28:34 PM Jhonny
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** The quarterback position has been a particularly sore spot for the new Browns, as they've either had draft busts (Tim Couch, and, unless he sorts his life out, Johnny Manziel), nondescript journeymen (Kelly Holcomb, Josh and Luke [=McCown=]), or past-their-prime former studs (Jeff Garcia, Jake Delhomme) leading the team. As of the 2016 offseason, the team has had 24 starting quarterbacks in 17 seasons. Compare that to the New England Patriots, who have only had ''three'' starting [=QBs=] -- Drew Bledsoe, Creator/TomBrady, and Brady fill-in Matt Cassel -- over the same period of time.

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** The quarterback position has been a particularly sore spot for the new Browns, as they've either had draft busts (Tim Couch, and, unless he sorts his life out, Johnny Manziel), nondescript journeymen (Kelly Holcomb, Josh and Luke [=McCown=]), or past-their-prime former studs (Jeff Garcia, Jake Delhomme) leading the team. As of the 2016 offseason, the team has had 24 starting quarterbacks in 17 seasons. Compare that to the New England Patriots, who have only had ''three'' starting [=QBs=] -- Drew Bledsoe, Creator/TomBrady, and Brady fill-in Matt Cassel -- over the same period of time. And given the woes of all starting Quarterbacks since then "draft bust" Tim Couch (who was not worth a first overall pick, granted, but he was not ''that'' bad) starts to look pretty good for a Browns QB.
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