History DorkAge / LiveActionTV

12th Jun '16 4:21:46 AM asten
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* ''Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'' (and, to a lesser extent, ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'') started to drift into dorky territory sometime after its first two seasons. People tend to forget that the series was a spinoff from a string of successful made-for-TV action-adventure movies that were more or less played straight, sometimes brutally so. And while the TV show itself always had undertones of {{camp}}iness (particularly in its attempt to shoehorn Hercules into every ancient legend that had not featured him in the first place), at least that was a level of camp that made sense within the series's universe.\\
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Where they really dropped the ball is adding way too many self-indulgences: grossly stereotyped characters, gratuitous slapstick, and especially AnachronismStew (relying on the RuleOfFunny, of course). It became really hard after a while to enjoy ''Hercules'' as a serious action show. Arguably even more damaging was the decision to introduce the concept of monotheism in both ''Hercules'' and ''Xena''; while this allowed the writers to cook up intriguing NinjaPirateZombieRobot scenarios (such as bringing in the story of David and Goliath), it violated the original polytheistic mythology that Christian, Jewish, and Muslim viewers could take as pure fantasy.
21st Apr '16 4:52:07 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* For fans of scripted series, the early-mid 2000s are often held to be a Dork Age for television as a whole, as it was the decade when RealityTV first became a serious phenomenon. While the era still produced a great many well-remembered scripted series on both the broadcast networks (''Series/{{Lost}}'', ''Series/ThirtyRock'', ''Series/TheOfficeUS'') and on cable (''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'', ''Series/TheWire'', ''Series/TheShield'', ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia''), it seemed that not a day went by when a scripted show risked getting ScrewedByTheNetwork in favor of a cheaper-to-produce reality show. The decade is littered with innumerable TooGoodToLast shows that barely limped to the end of their first seasons, as well as specialty cable networks that underwent severe NetworkDecay as they tried to chase the reality TV dollar. This turned around in a big way starting in the late '00s when cable networks led by Creator/{{HBO}}, Creator/{{FX}}, and Creator/{{AMC}}, as well as the streaming service Creator/{{Netflix}}, started premiering critically-acclaimed hits that demonstrated that scripted series still had a lot of life, to the point where TheNewTens have been called a GoldenAge for television; the main concern now is that there are ''too many'' great shows for the average viewer to [[ArchivePanic keep up with]]. It helped that, around the same time, reality TV started falling into a Dork Age of its own (see below).



*** 2010 onward: A general NoBudget feel, as the BonusRound is often a contrived answer that seems to beg for a loss no matter what letters the contestants pick; Prize Puzzles, 1/2 Car tags, and Express becoming GoldenSnitch-level {{Game Breaker}}s; decreased enthusiasm from the studio audience (even with an applause machine, there is almost never any reaction anymore whenever a contestant lands on the top dollar amount); poor puzzle writing in the main game (particularly the aforementioned Prize Puzzles, which often blatantly telegraph what the contestant will win); the death of Charlie O'Donnell in late 2010, followed by a barrage of substitutes (many of whom were dubbed over Charlie on episodes that taped before his death but had not yet aired); increasingly sloppy editing

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*** 2010 onward: A general NoBudget feel, as the BonusRound is often a contrived answer that seems to beg for a loss no matter what letters the contestants pick; Prize Puzzles, 1/2 Car tags, and Express becoming GoldenSnitch-level {{Game Breaker}}s; decreased enthusiasm from the studio audience (even with an applause machine, there is almost never any reaction anymore whenever a contestant lands on the top dollar amount); poor puzzle writing in the main game (particularly the aforementioned Prize Puzzles, which often blatantly telegraph what the contestant will win); the death of Charlie O'Donnell in late 2010, followed by a barrage of substitutes (many of whom were dubbed over Charlie on episodes that taped before his death but had not yet aired); increasingly sloppy editingediting.
* RealityTV in general seems to have fallen into one in the 2010s. Once producers had figured out every interesting concept for a reality show that wasn't [[DeadlyGame flat-out]] [[ImmoralRealityShow illegal]] to show on air, they began running the most commercially successful ones into the ground, producing variations on the same basic concept that always seemed more staged than the last. Old hits began faltering, with few new ones to take their place. While the reality TV boom had television critics wringing their hands in the '00s, now it's mostly relegated to a small handful of minor cable networks.
3rd Apr '16 3:32:00 PM MrThorfan64
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* Season 5 of ''Series/AGameOfThrones'' is very controversial due to being a CompressedAdaptation of the [[Literature/AFeastForCrows fourth]] and [[Literature/ADanceWithDragons fifth]] books. One storyline is widely depised by both sides is the Dorne arc due to being IdiotPlot with all the characters involved in that arc and the portrayal of the Sand Snakes who are regarded by all sides of the fandom as [[TheScrappy the worst characters]] in the show due to being StupidEvil, their FightSceneFailure with Jaime and Bronn and their {{Narm}}-stastic lines ([[MemeticMutation "You want a good girl but you need a bad pussy"]]). Another storyline which received much contention is Sansa's story where instead of being a BastardUnderstudy of Littlefinger [[spoiler:after helping him lied about her aunt Lysa Tully's death]], she was forced to marry [[spoiler:Ramsey Bolton, making her a CompositeCharacter to her AdaptedOut friend from the books, Jeyne Poole, and was raped by him during their wedding night]]. There's also how Stannis' arc was handled [[spoiler:particularly with him burning his daughter to appease R'hllor]]. And despite that the show won for "Best Drama Series" at the 2015 Emmys, some cynical viewers believed that it's a ConsolationAward for the previous seasons.

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* Season 5 of ''Series/AGameOfThrones'' is very controversial due to being a CompressedAdaptation of the [[Literature/AFeastForCrows fourth]] and [[Literature/ADanceWithDragons fifth]] books. One storyline is widely depised by both sides is the Dorne arc due to being IdiotPlot with all the characters involved in that arc and the portrayal of the Sand Snakes who are regarded by all sides of the fandom as [[TheScrappy the worst characters]] in the show due to being StupidEvil, their FightSceneFailure with Jaime and Bronn and their {{Narm}}-stastic lines ([[MemeticMutation "You want a good girl but you need a bad pussy"]]). Another storyline which received much contention is Sansa's story where instead of being a BastardUnderstudy of Littlefinger [[spoiler:after helping him lied lie about her aunt Lysa Tully's death]], she was forced to marry [[spoiler:Ramsey Bolton, making her a CompositeCharacter to her AdaptedOut friend from the books, Jeyne Poole, and was raped by him during their wedding night]]. night]], which is basically the only thing adapted from the Bolton storyline of the books, cutting out the various conspiracies among the Northern Houses. There's also how Stannis' arc was handled [[spoiler:particularly with him burning his daughter to appease R'hllor]].R'hllor, then getting ignominiously defeated by the Boltons and killed by Brienne, especially as he is still alive in the books]]. And despite that the show won for "Best Drama Series" at the 2015 Emmys, some cynical viewers believed that it's a ConsolationAward for the previous seasons.
22nd Feb '16 3:25:27 PM Discar
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* Season 5 of ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' is widely reviled for the mishandling of the Barney/Robin pairing and their first break-up. After the break-up came [[TheScrappy Don]], who is said to "the guy who will marry Robin" except he's a jerk and is [[CharacterShrilling shrilled by the main cast]] for being [[InformedAbility funny and smart etc]]. The only positive thing about this season is "Girls VS. Suits" which introduced some very important information about the Mother and Barney's awesome dance number. Later on, Season 6 attempted to repair damage by introducing arcs of Lily and Marshall's attempts to concieve, Barney meeting his real father and Ted trying to choose between career and love.

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* Season 5 of ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' is widely reviled for the mishandling of the Barney/Robin pairing and their first break-up. After the break-up came [[TheScrappy Don]], who is said to "the guy who will marry Robin" except he's a jerk and is [[CharacterShrilling shrilled [[CharacterShilling shilled by the main cast]] for being [[InformedAbility funny and smart etc]]. The only positive thing about this season is "Girls VS. Suits" which introduced some very important information about the Mother and Barney's awesome dance number. Later on, Season 6 attempted to repair damage by introducing arcs of Lily and Marshall's attempts to concieve, Barney meeting his real father and Ted trying to choose between career and love.
14th Feb '16 5:38:30 PM Twentington
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26th Dec '15 8:06:34 AM Angelus25
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* Season 5 of ''Series/AGameOfThrones'' is very controversial due to being a CompressedAdaptation of the [[Literature/AFeastForCrows fourth]] and [[Literature/ADanceWithDragons fifth]] books. One storyline is widely depised by both sides is the Dorne arc due to being IdiotPlot with all the characters involved in that arc and the portrayal of the Sand Snakes who are regarded by all sides of the fandom as [[TheScrappy the worst characters]] in the show due to being StupidEvil, their FightSceneFailure with Jaime and Bronn and their {{Narm}}-stastic lines ([[MemeticMutation "You want a good girl but you need a bad pussy"]]). Another storyline which received much contention is Sansa's story where instead of being a BastardUnderstudy of Littlefinger [[spoiler:after helping him lied about her aunt Lysa Tully's death]], she was forced to marry [[spoiler:Ramsey Bolton, making her a CompositeCharacter to her AdaptedOut friend from the books, Jeyne Poole, and was raped by him during their wedding night]]. There's also how Stannis' arc was handled [[spoiler:particularly with him burning his daughter to appease R'hollor]]. And despite that the show won for "Best Drama Series" at the 2015 Emmys, some cynical viewers believed that it's a ConsolationAward for the previous seasons.

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* Season 5 of ''Series/AGameOfThrones'' is very controversial due to being a CompressedAdaptation of the [[Literature/AFeastForCrows fourth]] and [[Literature/ADanceWithDragons fifth]] books. One storyline is widely depised by both sides is the Dorne arc due to being IdiotPlot with all the characters involved in that arc and the portrayal of the Sand Snakes who are regarded by all sides of the fandom as [[TheScrappy the worst characters]] in the show due to being StupidEvil, their FightSceneFailure with Jaime and Bronn and their {{Narm}}-stastic lines ([[MemeticMutation "You want a good girl but you need a bad pussy"]]). Another storyline which received much contention is Sansa's story where instead of being a BastardUnderstudy of Littlefinger [[spoiler:after helping him lied about her aunt Lysa Tully's death]], she was forced to marry [[spoiler:Ramsey Bolton, making her a CompositeCharacter to her AdaptedOut friend from the books, Jeyne Poole, and was raped by him during their wedding night]]. There's also how Stannis' arc was handled [[spoiler:particularly with him burning his daughter to appease R'hollor]].R'hllor]]. And despite that the show won for "Best Drama Series" at the 2015 Emmys, some cynical viewers believed that it's a ConsolationAward for the previous seasons.
10th Dec '15 8:09:10 AM 8088ben
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** The first one was encountered around seasons 3-5. Season 3 didn't do as well in the ratings compared to its predecessors, partly because the scorching heat of the Kenyan scrubland made it too hot for the contestants to do anything interesting besides sitting around all day, and the crew of ''Survivor'' were not any fonder of the season. Season 4 had a bunch of boring people and a DiabolusExMachina that screwed someone doing ''very'' well in the game along with the infamous "no-no" sandflies that irritated EVERYONE (''Survivor'' has refused to return to the Marquesas after meeting these bugs), and Season 5 was full of people who were outright irritating. They all had their moments, granted, but the show got better around season 6 and then gradually got better.

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** The first one was encountered around seasons 3-5. Season 3 didn't do as well in the ratings compared to its predecessors, partly because the scorching heat of the Kenyan scrubland made it too hot for the contestants to do anything interesting besides sitting around all day, and the crew of ''Survivor'' were not any fonder of the season. Season 4 had a bunch of boring people and a DiabolusExMachina that screwed someone doing ''very'' well in the game along with the infamous "no-no" sandflies that irritated EVERYONE (''Survivor'' has refused to (WordOfGod is that the show will ''never'' return to the Marquesas after meeting these bugs), and Season 5 was full of people who were outright irritating. They all had their moments, granted, but the show got better around season 6 and then gradually got better.
2nd Dec '15 11:08:22 PM Twentington
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*** 1988: Pat Sajak stepped down from the daytime version to host his self-titled talk show (he's stayed with the nighttime version) and was replaced by Rolf Benirsche, a former football player who had no TV experience and was clearly uncomfortable in the role (to the point that he once admitted he ''didn't know what to do'' on-air). This was also the point when M.G. Kelly took over for the late Jack Clark as both versions' announcer; he was hated for his low enthusiasm and constantly tripping over the copy, and quickly replaced by original announcer Charlie O'Donnell. Rolf lasted only six months before the network version {{Channel Hop}}ped to CBS, with the much better-received Bob Goen, who stayed with it until daytime game shows became DeaderThanDisco.

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*** 1988: Pat Sajak stepped down from the daytime version to host his self-titled talk show (he's stayed with the nighttime version) and was replaced by Rolf Benirsche, Benirschke, a former football player who had no TV experience and was clearly uncomfortable in the role (to role, to the point that he once admitted he ''didn't know what to do'' on-air). This on-air. (This was also the point when M.G. Kelly took over for the late Jack Clark as both versions' announcer; he was fans hated him for his low enthusiasm and overly mellow delivery, while Pat Sajak later noted that he constantly had to re-take prize copy because he kept tripping over his words. Kelly left the copy, and quickly replaced by show in 1989 when original announcer Charlie O'Donnell. O'Donnell came back.) Rolf lasted only six months before the network version {{Channel Hop}}ped to CBS, with the much better-received host Bob Goen, who stayed with it until daytime game shows became DeaderThanDisco.
2nd Dec '15 11:06:26 PM Twentington
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** It began in 1992 with the addition of the Bullseye round which dragged down gameplay and had families playing for points in the main game instead of cash. Soon after, the daytime version was cancelled, airing in repeats until the following fall. This was also the time where the syndicated version saw an uprising of celebrity specials. Ray Combs was let go before the 1994 season, replaced with an older, heavier, slower Richard Dawson along with the Bankroll round which offered less payouts. With the O.J. Simpson murder trial pre-empting the series in most markets, this ReTool lasted only one season.
** The show returned in 1999, at which point the Dork Age reached its peak. A brand-new, modern set was created and the new host was Louie Anderson, a gravel-voiced, overweight comedian who never looked like he wanted to be there. Plus, the game removed the round with double point values, opting for the Single-Single-Single-Triple format with the top scorer playing Fast Money. To make matters worse, teams were allowed only one strike in the Triple Round (meaning clearing the board in that round required a FlawlessVictory) and it became a one-and-done game. The only good thing that came out of this was the doubling of the Fast Money prize to $20,000 in 2001, something Anderson actually advocated. Louie was ousted a year later (something he didn't take well, predicting ''Feud'' would be canceled within the next year, which it wasn't), but his replacement, Richard Karn wasn't that much better. Though the returning champs format was reinstated and a more conventional "play to 300 points" main game replaced the high-scoring/one-strike-in-triple-round/no-double-round in 2003, Karn's NoIndoorVoice and later going overboard with catchphrases and oneliners such as "Blah, blah, I'm tripling the points!" made the show painful to watch.
** The Dork Age finally stated signs of slowing after John O'Hurley replaced Karn in 2006 and brought out an updated version of the Dawson/Combs sets, replacing the "modern" set; the next year saw the "party music" composed for the 1999 revival be replaced by the original Score Productions jingle. Depending on who you ask, it ended completely either when O'Hurley [[GrowingTheBeard got more comfortable hosting]] or when Steve Harvey replaced him, [[WinBackTheCrowd bringing its ratings up]] to a level comparable to that of ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' and ''Series/WheelOfFortune'' .
* The Game Show genre as a whole entered one in the New 10's when shows that followed the lead of ''Deal Or No Deal'' with {{Padding}} and whatnot began airing; this DorkAge is arguably still in effect as of 2015.

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** It When the show came back on the air in 1988 with Ray Combs hosting, the Dork Age began in 1992 with the addition of the Bullseye round which dragged down gameplay and had families playing for points in the main game instead of cash. Soon after, the daytime version was cancelled, airing in repeats until the following fall. This was also the time where the syndicated version saw an uprising of celebrity specials. Ray Combs was let go before the 1994 season, replaced with an older, heavier, slower original host Richard Dawson along with (who helmed the show in its original 1976-85 incarnation) coming back; however, Dawson was much older and in far worse health. This version also had the Bankroll round which offered less payouts.payout. With the O.J. Simpson murder trial pre-empting the series in most markets, this ReTool lasted only one season.
** The show returned in 1999, at which point the Dork Age reached its peak. A brand-new, modern set was created and the new host was Louie Anderson, a gravel-voiced, overweight comedian who never looked like he wanted to be there. Plus, the game removed the round with double point values, opting for the Single-Single-Single-Triple format with the top scorer playing Fast Money. To make matters worse, teams were allowed only one strike in the Triple Round (meaning clearing the board in that round required a FlawlessVictory) and it became a one-and-done game. The only good thing that came out of this was the doubling of the Fast Money prize to $20,000 in 2001, something Anderson actually advocated. Louie was ousted a year later (something he didn't take well, predicting ''Feud'' would be canceled within the next year, which it wasn't), but his replacement, Richard Karn wasn't that much better. Though the returning champs format was reinstated and a more conventional "play to 300 points" main game replaced the high-scoring/one-strike-in-triple-round/no-double-round in 2003, Karn's NoIndoorVoice, stiff hosting style, and over-reliance on NoIndoorVoice and later going overboard with catchphrases and oneliners such as "Blah, blah, I'm tripling "I'm ''doubling the points!" made the show painful to watch.
points''!" catch-phrases became unbearable.
** The Dork Age finally stated signs of slowing after John O'Hurley replaced Karn in 2006 and brought out an updated version of the Dawson/Combs sets, replacing the "modern" set; the next year saw the "party music" composed for the 1999 revival be replaced by a cleaned-up version of the original Score Productions jingle. Combs-era remix. Depending on who you ask, it ended completely either when O'Hurley [[GrowingTheBeard got more comfortable hosting]] or when Steve Harvey replaced him, [[WinBackTheCrowd bringing its ratings up]] to a level comparable to that of ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' and ''Series/WheelOfFortune'' .
''Series/WheelOfFortune''. However, some longtime fans think that Harvey brought the show ''back'' into a Dork Age, as the popularity of his {{Wild Take}}s whenever a contestant gave a lurid answer were being heavily enforced by the writers, causing the questions to become HotterAndSexier as a result.
* The Game Show genre as a whole entered one in the New 10's when shows that followed the lead of ''Deal Or No Deal'' ''Series/DealOrNoDeal'' with {{Padding}} and whatnot began airing; this DorkAge is arguably still in effect as of 2015.


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* By many accounts, ''Series/WheelOfFortune'' has been in one from any of the following points depending on the version:
** Daytime network (1975-91):
*** 1988: Pat Sajak stepped down from the daytime version to host his self-titled talk show (he's stayed with the nighttime version) and was replaced by Rolf Benirsche, a former football player who had no TV experience and was clearly uncomfortable in the role (to the point that he once admitted he ''didn't know what to do'' on-air). This was also the point when M.G. Kelly took over for the late Jack Clark as both versions' announcer; he was hated for his low enthusiasm and constantly tripping over the copy, and quickly replaced by original announcer Charlie O'Donnell. Rolf lasted only six months before the network version {{Channel Hop}}ped to CBS, with the much better-received Bob Goen, who stayed with it until daytime game shows became DeaderThanDisco.
** Nighttime syndication (1983-present):
*** 1994-95: The notorious "Megaword" category, which even Sajak himself hated, and which many fans and contestants hated for being needlessly difficult (the category was a long word that a contestant could then use in a sentence for a bonus); a seemingly endless barrage of similarly difficult puzzles that led to long stretches of wrong letters (not just in Megaword, where one well-known round took '''''13''''' turns before anyone uncovered a letter in OXIDIZED, but also in several other similarly obscure puzzles)
*** Late 1996-early 1997: Reduction of the Wheel to just one template for all rounds, replacement of the old mechanical puzzle board with an electronic one, thus severely limiting the necessity of hostess Vanna White
*** 2010 onward: A general NoBudget feel, as the BonusRound is often a contrived answer that seems to beg for a loss no matter what letters the contestants pick; Prize Puzzles, 1/2 Car tags, and Express becoming GoldenSnitch-level {{Game Breaker}}s; decreased enthusiasm from the studio audience (even with an applause machine, there is almost never any reaction anymore whenever a contestant lands on the top dollar amount); poor puzzle writing in the main game (particularly the aforementioned Prize Puzzles, which often blatantly telegraph what the contestant will win); the death of Charlie O'Donnell in late 2010, followed by a barrage of substitutes (many of whom were dubbed over Charlie on episodes that taped before his death but had not yet aired); increasingly sloppy editing
29th Oct '15 10:12:54 PM Acebrock
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* The G4 Network seems to be pretending that the first month or so of Los Angeles-based ''Series/XPlay'' episodes don't exist. The recent G4 Replay block of reruns skipped from the last UsefulNotes/SanFrancisco eps to the L.A. eps with the dark green set, completely skipping the early L.A. eps with the hideously bright-green set.

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* The G4 Network seems seemed to be pretending pretend that the first month or so of Los Angeles-based ''Series/XPlay'' episodes don't exist. The recent G4 Replay block of reruns skipped from the last UsefulNotes/SanFrancisco eps to the L.A. eps with the dark green set, completely skipping the early L.A. eps with the hideously bright-green set.
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