History Discontinuity / TableTopGames

21st Dec '16 10:07:23 AM Megistos86
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** Like 40000, many fans despise the background changes, units and rules introduced in the eighth edition and several army books. Guess who's at fault..... You are right, Robin Cruddace and Matt Ward.

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** Like 40000, many fans despise the background changes, units and rules introduced in the eighth edition and several army books. Guess who's at fault..... You are right, Matt Ward, along with Robin Cruddace and Matt Ward.Cruddace.
** The Soulgrinder allowed into the Daemons Fantasy army. It's like put a Titan in the Empire or eldar weapons in the High Elves army. It works for 40k but not fit in fantasy at all. It is way too technological for the Warhammer Fantasy background.
21st Dec '16 9:56:59 AM Megistos86
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** Like 40000, many fans despise the background changes, units and rules introduced in the eighth edition and several army books. Guess who's at fault..... You are right, Robin Cruddace and Matt Ward.
21st Dec '16 9:44:52 AM Megistos86
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'': A lot of fans hate The End Times and the Age of Sigmar, and detest the changes of the lore and the retcons. For a good reason they create the fan-made ''[[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_9th_Age Fantasy Battles: The Ninth Age]]''.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'': A lot of fans hate The End Times and the Age of Sigmar, and detest the changes of the lore and the retcons. For a good reason they create the fan-made ''[[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_9th_Age Fantasy Battles: The Ninth Age]]''.Age]]'' was created.
21st Dec '16 9:39:53 AM Megistos86
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** Its [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} fantasy brother]] also has an example, the MechanicalHorse unit of the Empire. About no one takes it seriously.

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** Its [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} fantasy brother]] also has an example, * ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'': A lot of fans hate The End Times and the Age of Sigmar, and detest the changes of the lore and the retcons. For a good reason they create the fan-made ''[[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_9th_Age Fantasy Battles: The Ninth Age]]''.
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MechanicalHorse unit of the Empire. About no one takes it seriously.
5th Nov '16 6:05:04 AM Willbyr
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7th Oct '16 10:23:09 AM Morgenthaler
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* The ''Main/OldWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' had a supplement known as ''Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand'', which revealed that Tzimisce vampires were in fact infected with spirit-parasites called "soul-eaters"... except for a secret society known as the "True Black Hand." Besides not fitting at all with the themes of the game, this wasn't even an original idea - it was stolen wholesale from ''Literature/{{Necroscope}}''. Fans refuse to acknowledge this one ever existed, and speaking the name in the wrong place can start a Main/FlameWar. White Wolf never officially decanonized it, but the book ''End of Empires'' wiped out the True Black Hand and later books dismissed the contents of ''Dirty Secrets'' as utterly wrong. Given how often the supplements seemed to contradict each other, everyone had at least one they refused to pay attention to, although seldom with the level of consensus of Dirty Secrets.

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* The ''Main/OldWorldOfDarkness'' ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' had a supplement known as ''Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand'', which revealed that Tzimisce vampires were in fact infected with spirit-parasites called "soul-eaters"... except for a secret society known as the "True Black Hand." Besides not fitting at all with the themes of the game, this wasn't even an original idea - it was stolen wholesale from ''Literature/{{Necroscope}}''. Fans refuse to acknowledge this one ever existed, and speaking the name in the wrong place can start a Main/FlameWar. White Wolf never officially decanonized it, but the book ''End of Empires'' wiped out the True Black Hand and later books dismissed the contents of ''Dirty Secrets'' as utterly wrong. Given how often the supplements seemed to contradict each other, everyone had at least one they refused to pay attention to, although seldom with the level of consensus of Dirty Secrets.
7th Aug '16 7:23:28 PM Anddrix
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** The convoluted attempt to flesh out the backstory of the Necrons from 3rd edition onward has inspired several fans to develop mental blackouts when the words "C'tan", "Necrontyr", or "Old Ones" appear, in response to the [[CreatorsPet overplayed role]] the Necrons' equivalent of special characters gained in the process. The Necrons themselves faced serious resistance when they were first introduced, as their "armies" at first consisted of a small number of boringly unstoppable robots with little variation and no character. However, that's nothing compared to the new fluff, which is a pretty big BaseBreaker. Fans of the old fluff complain that the Necrons are [[VillainDecay no longer as threatening as they once were]], the new characters brought in to replace the C'tan are half-formed and boring and the C'tan themselves suffered immensely from BadassDecay and were DemotedToExtra.

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** The convoluted attempt to flesh out the backstory of the Necrons from 3rd edition onward has inspired several fans to develop mental blackouts when the words "C'tan", "Necrontyr", or "Old Ones" appear, in response to the [[CreatorsPet overplayed role]] the Necrons' equivalent of special characters gained in the process. The Necrons themselves faced serious resistance when they were first introduced, as their "armies" at first consisted of a small number of boringly unstoppable robots with little variation and no character. However, that's nothing compared to the new fluff, which is a pretty big BaseBreaker.divisive. Fans of the old fluff complain that the Necrons are [[VillainDecay no longer as threatening as they once were]], the new characters brought in to replace the C'tan are half-formed and boring and the C'tan themselves suffered immensely from BadassDecay and were DemotedToExtra.



** That's just the tip of the iceberg. There was wholesale deicide that saw not only Mystra killed but a slew of other deities, some of which were also fan favorites, many by virtue of IdiotBall. The demihuman pantheons received the worst culling, most notably the Drow pantheon, which got whittled down to Lolth and saw {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s Vhaeraun and Eilistraee get killed off in a trilogy of poorly-received novels (the former was killed ''off-screen'', and what became of the latter's followers was rife with UnfortunateImplications surrounding race). Bear in mind that there's ''still'' a loud but vocal minority in the FR fandom that consider the first, comparatively less severe deicide that happened between 1E and 2E discontinuity. And that's before getting into the TimeSkip that ensured a number of beloved [=NPCs=] were killed off-screen. 4e Realms is a BaseBreaker, to put it mildly.

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** That's just the tip of the iceberg. There was wholesale deicide that saw not only Mystra killed but a slew of other deities, some of which were also fan favorites, many by virtue of IdiotBall. The demihuman pantheons received the worst culling, most notably the Drow pantheon, which got whittled down to Lolth and saw {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s Vhaeraun and Eilistraee get killed off in a trilogy of poorly-received novels (the former was killed ''off-screen'', and what became of the latter's followers was rife with UnfortunateImplications surrounding race). Bear in mind that there's ''still'' a loud but vocal minority in the FR fandom that consider the first, comparatively less severe deicide that happened between 1E and 2E discontinuity. And that's before getting into the TimeSkip that ensured a number of beloved [=NPCs=] were killed off-screen. 4e Realms is a BaseBreaker, controversial, to put it mildly.
4th May '16 5:10:00 AM MinisterOfSinister
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** Damn near anything written by Matt Ward will fall to this, on account of his reputation as a PromotedFanboy who loves the Ultramarines so much it borders on fetish. Accusations include turning the [[FanNickname Ultrasmurfs]] into the bestest Space Marine Chapter ever (whom every other Chapter aspires to emulate and bemoan their lack of being Ultramarines), ruining literally every codex he has ever written, and every single army he's come into contact with has had its fluff tortured, been turned into an unstoppable table-destroying death-army, or, more commonly, both[[note]]the exception is the Necrons, the only Matt Ward codex the majority of fans actually like[[/note]]. Amongst a significant section of fans anything the man touches is loathed and ignored, in that order.

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** Damn near anything written by Matt Ward will fall to this, on account of his reputation as a PromotedFanboy who loves the Ultramarines so much it borders on fetish. Accusations include turning the [[FanNickname Ultrasmurfs]] into the bestest Space Marine Chapter ever (whom every other Chapter aspires to emulate and bemoan their lack of being Ultramarines), ruining literally every codex he has ever written, and every single army he's come into contact with has had its fluff tortured, been turned into an unstoppable table-destroying death-army, or, more commonly, both[[note]]the exception is the Necrons, the only Matt Ward codex the majority of fans actually like[[/note]].both. Amongst a significant section of fans anything the man touches is loathed and ignored, in that order.



** The convoluted attempt to flesh out the backstory of the Necrons from 3rd edition onward has inspired several fans to develop mental blackouts when the words "C'tan", "Necrontyr", or "Old Ones" appear, in response to the [[CreatorsPet overplayed role]] the Necrons' equivalent of special characters gained in the process. The Necrons themselves faced serious resistance when they were first introduced, as their "armies" at first consisted of a small number of boringly unstoppable robots with little variation and no character.

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** The convoluted attempt to flesh out the backstory of the Necrons from 3rd edition onward has inspired several fans to develop mental blackouts when the words "C'tan", "Necrontyr", or "Old Ones" appear, in response to the [[CreatorsPet overplayed role]] the Necrons' equivalent of special characters gained in the process. The Necrons themselves faced serious resistance when they were first introduced, as their "armies" at first consisted of a small number of boringly unstoppable robots with little variation and no character. However, that's nothing compared to the new fluff, which is a pretty big BaseBreaker. Fans of the old fluff complain that the Necrons are [[VillainDecay no longer as threatening as they once were]], the new characters brought in to replace the C'tan are half-formed and boring and the C'tan themselves suffered immensely from BadassDecay and were DemotedToExtra.
27th Mar '16 5:57:21 PM SpectralTime
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** Many players were so upset about the Avatar Storm in ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'' that they sent writer Jess Henig ''death threats'' (even though he was only ''following the goals already set out by his immediate predecessor'', Phil Brucato), and still have flame wars even today. Not only were these ridiculous ''temper tantrums'' [[SeriousBusiness completely insane from the point of view of any normal human being]], but White Wolf ''had'' to revise the line because they were ''[[http://forums.white-wolf.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1211814#post1211814 losing money]]''. But that's gamers for you: damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's just a goddamn ''[[MST3KMantra game]]'', for chrissakes!
*** To illustrate the magnitude of the dissonance, note that the above entry equates the company losing money due to customers not buying a product they didn't like to death threats. That's how much perspective was lost on this one.
20th Mar '16 4:40:53 AM WhatRayDid
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*** To illustrate the magnitude of the dissonance, note that the above entry equates the company losing money due to customers not buying a product they didn't like to death threats. That's how much perspective was lost on this one.
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