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30th Aug '17 6:06:26 AM CosmicFerret
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* When it comes to TheFlash, as detailed above, Wally West fans that don't accept Linda as his wife have preferred she'd get out of the way for their own favorite love interest. This can include such options as Raven, Magenta, or Donna Troy (who he had an unrequited crush for).

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* When it comes to TheFlash, ComicBook/TheFlash, as detailed above, Wally West fans that don't accept Linda as his wife have preferred she'd get out of the way for their own favorite love interest. This can include such options as Raven, Magenta, or Donna Troy (who he had an unrequited crush for).
11th Jun '17 7:46:06 AM lillolillo
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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]][=/=][[TheStoic Cyclops]][=/=]Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
** In typical Creator/MarkMillar fashion, ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'' had the "cool guy" Wolverine not only take Jean Grey's virginity, but also [[MurderTheHypotenuse STAB the nerdy, put-upon "loser" Ultimate Cyclops and leave him to die]] to ensure that Jean would be his and his alone. And the FanDumb ''rejoiced''!
*** Their rejoicing was hilariously cut short when Cyclops turned out to be NotQuiteDead, staged a return, and angrily optic-blasted Wolverine off the team. And when Jean found out about Wolverine's MurderTheHypotenuse plan, she threatened Wolverine with all sorts of MindRape if she ever caught him having even ''one'' romantic or sexual thought towards her.

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The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]][=/=][[TheStoic Cyclops]][=/=]Wolverine Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
** In typical Creator/MarkMillar fashion, ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'' had the "cool guy" Wolverine not only take Jean Grey's virginity, but also [[MurderTheHypotenuse STAB the nerdy, put-upon "loser" Ultimate Cyclops and leave him to die]] to ensure that Jean would be his and his alone. And the FanDumb ''rejoiced''!
*** Their
Fan Dumb ''rejoiced'', but their rejoicing was hilariously cut short when Cyclops turned out to be NotQuiteDead, staged a return, and angrily optic-blasted Wolverine off the team. And when Jean found out about Wolverine's MurderTheHypotenuse plan, she threatened Wolverine with all sorts of MindRape if she ever caught him having even ''one'' romantic or sexual thought towards her.



* Any female that "gets in the way of" [[Characters/BatmanAndBatFamily Batman family]] HoYay is almost guaranteed a vilifying in fandom. ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} is exempted because of the GrandfatherClause and her already being a villain; no one else is safe. Similarly, ComicBook/LoisLane is often conveniently ignored as if she didn't exist when there's Batman/Superman HoYay to be had.

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* Any female that "gets in the way of" [[Characters/BatmanAndBatFamily Batman family]] family HoYay is almost guaranteed a vilifying in fandom. ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} is exempted because of the GrandfatherClause and her already being a villain; no one else is safe. Similarly, ComicBook/LoisLane is often conveniently ignored as if she didn't exist when there's Batman/Superman HoYay to be had.



* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorschach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorschach...who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.

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* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorschach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorschach... who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.



* Some ''WonderWoman'' fans hate ''any'' guy that might develop a relationship with her; they feel that ''nobody'' is worthy of her, which makes it more a case of "Die for her celibacy".
** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not an option post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
*** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.

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* Some ''WonderWoman'' ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' fans hate ''any'' guy that might develop a relationship with her; they feel that ''nobody'' is worthy of her, which makes it more a case of "Die for her celibacy".
** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not he wasn't an option for a long while post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman Franchise/{{Superman}} (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
*** ** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.



* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker kills Lois]]. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.

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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker kills Lois]].Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.



** Now that Green Arrow ended up with Chloe Sullivan in ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', some fans are hoping that Ollie and Chloe will get together in the comics now that Chloe's been officially introduced into the DC Canon. The Ollie/Dinah shippers will then shriek that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are "[[NoTrueScotsman not true comic fans]]" because they watched ''Smallville'' and that this apparently means that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are somehow not allowed to have any opinions on comic characters.
*** In the mainstream comics, Chloe is apparently made younger into a DistaffCounterpart of ComicBook/JimmyOlsen, so...

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** Now that Since Green Arrow ended up with Chloe Sullivan in ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', some fans are hoping hoped that Ollie and Chloe will would get together in the comics now that Chloe's been after Chloe was officially introduced into the DC Canon. The Ollie/Dinah shippers will then shriek that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are "[[NoTrueScotsman not true comic fans]]" because they watched ''Smallville'' and that this apparently means that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are somehow not allowed to have any opinions on comic characters.
*** In the mainstream comics, Chloe is apparently made younger into a DistaffCounterpart of ComicBook/JimmyOlsen, so...
Canon.



* [[Comicbook/TeenTitans The comic version of Teen Titans]] has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.

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* [[Comicbook/TeenTitans Franchise/TeenTitans: The comic version of Teen Titans]] has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.
26th Apr '17 9:38:58 PM StrixObscuro
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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine Grey]][=/=][[TheStoic Cyclops]][=/=]Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>



** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.

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** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When WarrenEllis Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.



** Following the films, Iceman gets this now from rabid Romy fans. In the comics, Bobby and Rogue were just close friends, but recieved a RelationshipUpgrade in the films (which is then adapted into the Ultimate universe), and with the third film and Bobby being tempted to cheat on Rogue with Kitty (Again, happens in the Ultimate universe too), people now, whenever writing stories based in those universes, will write him off as a despicable, cheating bastard or just out right say they hate his guts now based solely on the Film Script writers.

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** Following the films, Iceman gets this now from rabid Romy fans. In the comics, Bobby and Rogue were just close friends, but recieved received a RelationshipUpgrade in the films (which is then adapted into the Ultimate universe), and with the third film and Bobby being tempted to cheat on Rogue with Kitty (Again, happens in the Ultimate universe too), people now, whenever writing stories based in those universes, will write him off as a despicable, cheating bastard or just out right say they hate his guts now based solely on the Film Script writers.



** It's been said that you just don't get between WonderWoman shippers and Catwoman shippers when they're fighting over Batman. Sorry, but you just don't, if you value life and limb.

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** It's been said that you just don't get between WonderWoman ComicBook/WonderWoman shippers and Catwoman shippers when they're fighting over Batman. Sorry, but you just don't, if you value life and limb.



** Cheryl has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".

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** Cheryl has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".sexy".
* In the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fandom, Alex[=/=]Nico shippers ''hate'' Victor and Karolina - the former for being Nico's rebound love interest, and the latter because the ShipTease between Nico and Karolina began so soon after [[spoiler:Alex's death]].
17th Apr '17 8:04:59 AM Silverblade2
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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker kills Lois]]. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.

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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker kills Lois]]. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.



* Believe it or not, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker gets this a lot from the Ivy/Harley shippers. Justified in that Ivy does treat Harley better... somewhat.

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* Believe it or not, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker gets this a lot from the Ivy/Harley shippers. Justified in that Ivy does treat Harley better... somewhat.
27th Jan '17 1:33:08 PM NervousShark
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* ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' has relatively little of this despite the [[LoveTriangle love quadrangle]] around Spider-Man, since the fans are fond of both the love quadrangle and its participants. There is, however, a small vocal band of Mary Jane haters who usually ship Peter/Kitty; they were most active during a short period following the Clone saga. The addition of Jessica Drew, [[FetishFuel Peter's genetically engineered female clone]], has led to a lot of [[SlashFic opportunities for alternate pairings]] for girls not currently involved with Peter.

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* ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' has relatively little of this despite the [[LoveTriangle love quadrangle]] around Spider-Man, since the fans are fond of both the love quadrangle and its participants. There is, however, a small vocal band of Mary Jane haters who usually ship Peter/Kitty; they were most active during a short period following the Clone saga. The addition of Jessica Drew, [[FetishFuel Peter's genetically engineered female clone]], clone, has led to a lot of [[SlashFic opportunities for alternate pairings]] for girls not currently involved with Peter.
15th Jan '17 10:35:43 AM DustSnitch
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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>



** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not an option post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for [[BadAss obvious]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).

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** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not an option post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for [[BadAss obvious]] obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
26th Sep '16 3:37:39 AM Tron80
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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a TsundereSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Jean Grey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a TsundereSue), JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Jean Grey Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>



*** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton ({{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.

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*** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton ({{Supergirl}} (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.



** [[ComicBook/{{New52}} And now in the main verse too!]] Lois has been seeing someone else, so that means Superman can pursue a relationship with Wonder Woman.
* Happened IN-CANON to Lana in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ending of Silver-Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together in the end.
* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''{{Spider-Man}}'': [[WordOfDante Supposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.

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** [[ComicBook/{{New52}} And now in the main verse too!]] Lois has been seeing someone else, so that means Superman can pursue a relationship with Wonder Woman.
* Happened IN-CANON to Lana Comicbook/LanaLang in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ending of Silver-Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together in the end.
* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''{{Spider-Man}}'': Franchise/SpiderMan: [[WordOfDante Supposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.
7th Jul '16 3:27:35 PM margdean56
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* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''{{Spider-Man}}'': [[WordOfDante Suposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.

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* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''{{Spider-Man}}'': [[WordOfDante Suposedly, Supposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.



** Conversely, if you ship Harley with anyone else, be prepared to duck. There are some [[VocalMinority fringe extremist]] Harley/Joker fangirls will attack you and whatever character you ship her with - violently. This would probably embarrass most Harley/Joker shippers.

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** Conversely, if you ship Harley with anyone else, be prepared to duck. There are some [[VocalMinority fringe extremist]] Harley/Joker fangirls will attack you and whatever character you ship her with - -- violently. This would probably embarrass most Harley/Joker shippers.
7th Jul '16 3:22:37 PM margdean56
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* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorshach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into either a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillian. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorshach...who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.
** The fact that Dan and Laurie didn't have a true relationship until the very end of ''Watchmen'' (they were FriendsWithBenefits at best before the climax of the story) means that desperate Dan/Rorshach shippers not only have to break Dan and Laurie up, but come up with a workable way to ''resurrect Rorshach from death by '''molecular dispersal''''' (with the one man plausibly able to do so having left the planet, and also just happens to have been Rorshach's killer in the first place). This speaks volumes about the skewed mentality of the Die For Our Shippers.
* ''Comicbook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog:

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* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorshach/Dan]] Rorschach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into either a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillian.supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorshach...Rorschach...who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.
** The fact that Dan and Laurie didn't have a true relationship until the very end of ''Watchmen'' (they were FriendsWithBenefits at best before the climax of the story) means that desperate Dan/Rorshach Dan/Rorschach shippers not only have to break Dan and Laurie up, but come up with a workable way to ''resurrect Rorshach Rorschach from death by '''molecular dispersal''''' (with the one man plausibly able to do so having left the planet, and also just happens to have been Rorshach's killer in the first place). This speaks volumes about the skewed mentality of the Die For Our Shippers.
* ''Comicbook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog:''Comicbook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'':



** While few shippers kill them in fic, shipping Diana with Clark or Bruce is still a huge BrokenBase issue and a great way to start a [[InternetBackdraft flame war]] at any comics forum. Rama and Io, on the other hand, Diana's two most obscure suitors (one was in a storyarc nobody read, and the other is a female love interest [[HideYourLesbians too subtle for most fans to pick up on]]), are generally liked by anyone who's heard of them and are probably protected from this mostly because most fans aren't aware of them.

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** While few shippers kill them in fic, shipping Diana with Clark or Bruce is still a huge BrokenBase issue and a great way to start a [[InternetBackdraft flame war]] at any comics forum. Rama and Io, on the other hand, Diana's two most obscure suitors (one was in a storyarc story arc nobody read, and the other is a female love interest [[HideYourLesbians too subtle for most fans to pick up on]]), are generally liked by anyone who's heard of them and are probably protected from this mostly because most fans aren't aware of them.
27th May '16 2:19:01 PM Doug86
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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a TsundereSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Jean Grey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a TsundereSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Jean Grey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
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