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** The fandom's attitude towards Sally Acorn gets this way from time to time with Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Mina fans, especially during Sally's {{Chickification}} period. Whole [[{{Hatedom}} fan groups]] were dedicated to drawing/writing her getting [[{{Gorn}} murdered and mutilated]] in [[SeriousBusiness various ways]].

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** The fandom's attitude towards Sally Acorn gets this way from time to time with Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Mina fans, especially during Sally's {{Chickification}} period. Whole [[{{Hatedom}} fan groups]] groups were dedicated to drawing/writing her getting [[{{Gorn}} murdered and mutilated]] in [[SeriousBusiness various ways]].


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** A rumor late during the comic's run that Creator/IanFlynn planned on revealing Sally as bisexual and having her enter a relationship with Nicole sparked waves of shipper backlash, with some theorizing he was only doing it to get Sally out of the way because he wanted Sonic with Amy, with others hitting back with [[SeriousBusiness accusations of biphobia.]] The comic ended and was rebooted before any of this could come to pass, but the arguments persisted.
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** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''ComicBook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.

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** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''ComicBook/{{Excalibur}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Excalibur|MarvelComics}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.
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** There have been many fights about who Dick Grayson should be with; Tamarean Princess Koriand'r/Kory/Starfire or 'Batgirl/Oracle' Barbara Gordon. Even the writers got into that one: see the Comicbook/TeenTitans example for details on it.

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** There have been many fights about who Dick Grayson should be with; Tamarean Princess Koriand'r/Kory/Starfire or 'Batgirl/Oracle' Barbara Gordon. Even the writers got into that one: see the Comicbook/TeenTitans ComicBook/TeenTitans example for details on it.



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** Happened to Comicbook/LanaLang in ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', a hypothetical ending of Silver Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together.
* ''Franchise/TeenTitans'': The comic version has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.

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** Happened to Comicbook/LanaLang ComicBook/LanaLang in ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', a hypothetical ending of Silver Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together.
* ''Franchise/TeenTitans'': ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'': The comic version has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.



* Some ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' fans hate ''any'' guy that might develop a relationship with her; they feel that ''nobody'' is worthy of her, which makes it more a case of "Die for her celibacy".
** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he wasn't an option for a long while post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Franchise/{{Superman}} (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds [[MayflyDecemberRomance and]] [[EternalLove far]] [[HisHeartWillGoOn future]]), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans of course, get vilified by the more hardline members of the SM-Lois camp who go as far as to try to shut down the SM-WW camp's non-canon sites, which is taking things to a Main/{{FanDumb}} level.

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* Some ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' ''ComicBook/WonderWoman'' fans hate ''any'' guy that might develop a relationship with her; they feel that ''nobody'' is worthy of her, which makes it more a case of "Die for her celibacy".
** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he wasn't an option for a long while post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Franchise/{{Superman}} ComicBook/{{Superman}} (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds [[MayflyDecemberRomance and]] [[EternalLove far]] [[HisHeartWillGoOn future]]), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} (ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans of course, get vilified by the more hardline members of the SM-Lois camp who go as far as to try to shut down the SM-WW camp's non-canon sites, which is taking things to a Main/{{FanDumb}} level.



* ''Franchise/XMen'':
** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, who promptly took advantage of him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in a fashion that was presented simply as her being into the kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a forgiving and enabling saint who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine ComicBook/JeanGrey/ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' ''ComicBook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, who promptly took advantage of him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in a fashion that was presented simply as her being into the kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey ComicBook/JeanGrey as a forgiving and enabling saint who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>



** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.

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** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.

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** [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.

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** [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), developed, that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.
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** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue) for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, who promptly took advantage of him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in a fashion that was presented simply as her being into the kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue) for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, who promptly took advantage of him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in a fashion that was presented simply as her being into the kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] saint who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
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*** [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.

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*** ** [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.
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** Harley gets a lot of this from people who want to see the Joker with [[FoeYay Batman]] or (among people who mostly watch the movies) [[MadScientist Scarecrow.]] This is goofy because Harley and Joker have broken up in the comics and are now both free to be shipped with anyone.

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** Harley gets a lot of this from people who want to see the Joker with [[FoeYay [[FoeYayShipping Batman]] or (among people who mostly watch the movies) [[MadScientist Scarecrow.]] This is goofy because Harley and Joker have broken up in the comics and are now both free to be shipped with anyone.
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** The general exception to this rule is Stephanie Brown (aka [[spoiler: Robin IV]]), formerly Tim Drake's (Robin III) canonical love interest. While most of Tim's love interests gets deliberately ignored by HoYay shippers, they generally love Steph and her history with Tim. Except in the cases of Kon/Tim fans who hated her, although it was mostly limited to a VocalMinority.

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** The general exception to this rule is Stephanie Brown (aka [[spoiler: Robin IV]]), Spoiler/Robin IV/Batgirl III]]), formerly Tim Drake's (Robin III) canonical love interest. While most of Tim's love interests gets deliberately ignored by HoYay shippers, they generally love Steph and her history with Tim. Except in the cases of Kon/Tim fans who hated her, although it was mostly limited to a VocalMinority.
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** The fandom's attitude towards Sally Acorn gets this way from time to time with Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Mina fans, especially during Sally's {{Chickification}} stage a few years back. Whole [[{{Hatedom}} fan groups]] were dedicated to drawing/writing her getting [[{{Gorn}} murdered and mutilated]] in [[SeriousBusiness various ways]].

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** The fandom's attitude towards Sally Acorn gets this way from time to time with Sonic/Amy and Sonic/Mina fans, especially during Sally's {{Chickification}} stage a few years back.period. Whole [[{{Hatedom}} fan groups]] were dedicated to drawing/writing her getting [[{{Gorn}} murdered and mutilated]] in [[SeriousBusiness various ways]].

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* Franchise/XMen:
** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue) for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, who promptly took advantage of him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in a fashion that was presented simply as her being into the kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
** In typical Creator/MarkMillar fashion, ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'' had the "cool guy" Wolverine not only take Jean Grey's virginity, but also [[MurderTheHypotenuse STAB the nerdy, put-upon "loser" Ultimate Cyclops and leave him to die]] to ensure that Jean would be his and his alone. And the Fan Dumb ''rejoiced'', but their rejoicing was hilariously cut short when Cyclops turned out to be NotQuiteDead, staged a return, and angrily optic-blasted Wolverine off the team. And when Jean found out about Wolverine's MurderTheHypotenuse plan, she threatened Wolverine with all sorts of MindRape if she ever caught him having even ''one'' romantic or sexual thought towards her.
** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.
** And that's not even counting all the ''canon'' DieForOurShip examples for ''X-Men'' (and ''many'' other comic book series too) coming from those RunningTheAsylum. Just go to DerailingLoveInterests to read them in all their tawdry glory.
** Following the films, Iceman gets this now from rabid Romy fans. In the comics, Bobby and Rogue were just close friends, but received a RelationshipUpgrade in the films (which is then adapted into the Ultimate universe), and with the third film and Bobby being tempted to cheat on Rogue with Kitty (Again, happens in the Ultimate universe too), people now, whenever writing stories based in those universes, will write him off as a despicable, cheating bastard or just out right say they hate his guts now based solely on the Film Script writers.

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* Franchise/XMen:
** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has
''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' is well-known for the decades long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since BettyAndVeronica love triangle. Naturally, this has occurred:
** Betty has overwhelmingly become
the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused preferred girl due to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue) for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, sweet GirlNextDoor. Betty/Archie fans who promptly took advantage of him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in demonize Veronica as a fashion SpoiledBrat and a RichBitch aren't uncommon. This even extends to [[ComicBook/AfterlifeWithArchie some]] [[Series/{{Riverdale}} adaptations]] that was presented simply as [[AdaptationalVillainy exaggerate]] her being into negative aspects.
** On
the kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to other side, some Veronica/Archie supporters will consider Betty a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
** In typical Creator/MarkMillar fashion, ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'' had the "cool guy" Wolverine not only take Jean Grey's virginity, but also [[MurderTheHypotenuse STAB the nerdy, put-upon "loser" Ultimate Cyclops and leave him to die]] to ensure that Jean would be his and his alone. And the Fan Dumb ''rejoiced'', but their rejoicing was hilariously cut short when Cyclops turned out to be NotQuiteDead, staged a return, and angrily optic-blasted Wolverine off the team. And when Jean found out about Wolverine's MurderTheHypotenuse plan, she threatened Wolverine with all sorts of MindRape if she ever caught him having even ''one'' romantic or sexual thought towards her.
** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best
DumbBlonde and a rapist at worst.
{{yandere}}. Betty hasn't been that obsessive over Archie [[CharacterizationMarchesOn in decades]].
** And that's not even counting all the ''canon'' DieForOurShip examples for ''X-Men'' (and ''many'' other comic book series too) coming Cheryl Blossom has been very controversial from those RunningTheAsylum. Just go to DerailingLoveInterests to read them in all their tawdry glory.
** Following
the films, Iceman gets this now from rabid Romy fans. In the comics, Bobby and Rogue were just close friends, but received a RelationshipUpgrade in the films (which is then adapted into the Ultimate universe), and with the third film and Bobby start due to being tempted to cheat on Rogue with Kitty (Again, happens in the Ultimate universe too), people now, whenever writing stories based in those universes, will write him off as a despicable, cheating bastard or just out right say they ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate his guts now based solely on the Film Script writers.her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".



* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorschach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorschach... who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.
** The fact that Dan and Laurie didn't have a true relationship until the very end of ''Watchmen'' (they were FriendsWithBenefits at best before the climax of the story) means that desperate Dan/Rorschach shippers not only have to break Dan and Laurie up, but come up with a workable way to ''resurrect Rorschach from death by '''molecular dispersal''''' (with the one man plausibly able to do so having left the planet, and also just happens to have been Rorshach's killer in the first place). This speaks volumes about the skewed mentality of the Die For Our Shippers.

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* When it comes to ComicBook/TheFlash, Wally West fans that don't accept Linda as his wife have preferred she'd get out of the way for their own favorite love interest. This can include such options as Raven, Magenta, or Donna Troy (who he had an unrequited crush for).
** There are also some people who feel Wally should date another fellow superhero in general, as opposed to BadassNormal Linda Park. One strange pairing is Wally West/Jesse Quick, which was even present in-universe; Jay Garrick says that a lot of Wally's friends hoped the two would get together. The two can't stand each other, but hey, Shipping Goggles.
* ComicBook/GreenArrow is often vilified by Dinah/Babs shippers because of his and Dinah's relationship. They even bashed him when he was dead, but nowhere near as much as they've done since he was resurrected. It's just gotten worse since he and Dinah tied the knot, with Ollie's writers apparently liking to help the shippers with that. On the other hand, the other male in the picture, [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]], gets almost no abuse, but is rather roped into OneTrueThreesome ships.
* Believe it or not, ComicBook/TheJoker gets this a lot from the Ivy/Harley shippers. Justified in that Ivy does treat Harley better... somewhat.
** Conversely, if you ship Harley with anyone else, be prepared to duck. There are some [[VocalMinority fringe extremist]] Harley/Joker fangirls will attack you and whatever character you ship her with -- violently. This would probably embarrass most Harley/Joker shippers.
** Harley gets a lot of this from people who want to see the Joker with [[FoeYay Batman]] or (among people who mostly watch the movies) [[MadScientist Scarecrow.]] This is goofy because Harley and Joker have broken up in the comics and are now both free to be shipped with anyone.
** And now the Harley x Scarecrow shippers have started in on the Joker, as evidenced in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lmxW4Txw90&feature=related multiple]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qguso-AsF04 fan videos]] for the pair on youtube. Actually, probably all the alternate Harley pairing shippers have started in on him.
* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorschach/Dan]] Alex/Nico shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorschach... who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes ''hate'' Victor and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.
** The fact that Dan
Karolina - the former for being Nico's rebound love interest, and Laurie didn't have a true relationship until the very end of ''Watchmen'' (they were FriendsWithBenefits at best before latter because the climax of the story) means that desperate Dan/Rorschach shippers not only have to break Dan ShipTease between Nico and Laurie up, but come up with a workable way to ''resurrect Rorschach from death by '''molecular dispersal''''' (with the one man plausibly able to do Karolina began so having left the planet, and also just happens to have been Rorshach's killer in the first place). This speaks volumes about the skewed mentality of the Die For Our Shippers.soon after [[spoiler:Alex's death]].



* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'':
** DieForOurShip ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy. [[WordOfGod Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together, and Gwen was a boring DesignatedLoveInterest who had little to no personality. The passing of four decades and counting, as well as other love interests for Peter, has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.
** ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' has relatively little of this despite the [[LoveTriangle love quadrangle]] around Spider-Man, since the fans are fond of both the love quadrangle and its participants. There is, however, a small vocal band of Mary Jane haters who usually ship Peter/Kitty; they were most active during a short period following the Clone saga. The addition of Jessica Drew, Peter's genetically engineered female clone, has led to a lot of [[SlashFic opportunities for alternate pairings]] for girls not currently involved with Peter.
* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
*** [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.
** Happened to Comicbook/LanaLang in ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', a hypothetical ending of Silver Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together.
* ''Franchise/TeenTitans'': The comic version has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.
** However, the Beast Boy/Raven fans were not entirely innocent themselves. Some of them had bashed and wished death on any other woman that other fans dare suggest get paired with him, like the later two Terras or [[PluckyGirl Flamebird]]. They got one wish when Terra II was killed off. Terra III (Atlee) was then erased by the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' reboot, and Bette Kane now has no connections to Gar in the new continuity while the first Terra has been rebooted as a hero. The New 52 reboot thus resets the ship war to being between the first Terra and Raven. To complicate things, in the finale of ''The Ravagers'', most of the Ravagers (including Terra) have been captured. Beast Boy was left for dead, but Raven finds him and takes him to the Teen Titans to combat Trigon.
** Nightwing/Starfire is often bashed by fans who pair him with Oracle and who feel that a Batman character does not belong with an alien or anything more supernatural than what is normally seen in Gotham. Devin Grayson was notably opposed to the pairing and did what she could to [[ShipSinking discourage and sink it in her Titans run]], going as far as to [[DerailingLoveInterests portray Starfire as a shrill, embittered harpy who would fling starbolts at Nightwing if he (easily) offended her]]. Let's just say that, if you value your sanity, do NOT instigate a discussion of if Oracle or Starfire would be the better girlfriend for him.
** Cassie Sandsmark was hated by some shippers for her relationship with Kon-El, partially for her personality becoming increasingly obnoxious (though [[DependingOnTheWriter depending on who was writing her]]), and also because she was considered "in the way" of people shipping Robin and Superboy together. Even further back to the ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' days, Cassie earned controversy due to Peter David killing off Kon's previous love interest (Tana Moon) in favor of her, making a canon example of this trope unrelated to slash.
** During Bryan Q Miller's short run on the Titans, he attempted to have Aquagirl actually get in the way of Blue Beetle and Traci 13's relationship. The result? Enraged fans called for the character's death, referring to her as "The Aquaslut". Although in the end, Blue Beetle and Aquagirl didn't get together.
** A few old-school fans still wishing that Kid Flash/Raven would have happened can be rather vitriolic towards any of their later love interests, such as Linda Park (who Wally married). Although, some have also been accepting of Linda and don't approve of DC having erased her (and thus Wally, their marriage, and family) with the reboot.
* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorschach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorschach... who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.
** The fact that Dan and Laurie didn't have a true relationship until the very end of ''Watchmen'' (they were FriendsWithBenefits at best before the climax of the story) means that desperate Dan/Rorschach shippers not only have to break Dan and Laurie up, but come up with a workable way to ''resurrect Rorschach from death by '''molecular dispersal''''' (with the one man plausibly able to do so having left the planet, and also just happens to have been Rorshach's killer in the first place). This speaks volumes about the skewed mentality of the Die For Our Shippers.



* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.
* Happened to Comicbook/LanaLang in ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', a hypothetical ending of Silver Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together.
* DieForOurShip ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan''. [[WordOfGod Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together, and Gwen was a boring DesignatedLoveInterest who had little to no personality. The passing of four decades and counting, as well as other love interests for Peter, has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.
* ComicBook/GreenArrow is often vilified by Dinah/Babs shippers because of his and Dinah's relationship. They even bashed him when he was dead, but nowhere near as much as they've done since he was resurrected. It's just gotten worse since he and Dinah tied the knot, with Ollie's writers apparently liking to help the shippers with that. On the other hand, the other male in the picture, [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]], gets almost no abuse, but is rather roped into OneTrueThreesome ships.
** Since Green Arrow ended up with Chloe Sullivan in ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', some fans hoped that Ollie and Chloe would get together in the comics after Chloe was officially introduced into the DC Canon.
* Believe it or not, ComicBook/TheJoker gets this a lot from the Ivy/Harley shippers. Justified in that Ivy does treat Harley better... somewhat.
** Conversely, if you ship Harley with anyone else, be prepared to duck. There are some [[VocalMinority fringe extremist]] Harley/Joker fangirls will attack you and whatever character you ship her with -- violently. This would probably embarrass most Harley/Joker shippers.
** Harley gets a lot of this from people who want to see the Joker with [[FoeYay Batman]] or (among people who mostly watch the movies) [[MadScientist Scarecrow.]] This is goofy because Harley and Joker have broken up in the comics and are now both free to be shipped with anyone.
** And now the Harley x Scarecrow shippers have started in on the Joker, as evidenced in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lmxW4Txw90&feature=related multiple]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qguso-AsF04 fan videos]] for the pair on youtube. Actually, probably all the alternate Harley pairing shippers have started in on him.
*** [[Administrivia/JustifyingEdit Are we talking]] ComicBook/TheKillingJoke -style Joker we [[MagnificentBastard know]] and [[FauxAffablyEvil love]], or are we talking the Brian Azzarello-style version who's [[DarkerAndEdgier much different?]] -- Oh right, they're the ''[[DependingOnTheWriter same guy]]...''
* ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' has relatively little of this despite the [[LoveTriangle love quadrangle]] around Spider-Man, since the fans are fond of both the love quadrangle and its participants. There is, however, a small vocal band of Mary Jane haters who usually ship Peter/Kitty; they were most active during a short period following the Clone saga. The addition of Jessica Drew, Peter's genetically engineered female clone, has led to a lot of [[SlashFic opportunities for alternate pairings]] for girls not currently involved with Peter.
* Franchise/TeenTitans: The comic version has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.
** However, the Beast Boy/Raven fans were not entirely innocent themselves. Some of them had bashed and wished death on any other woman that other fans dare suggest get paired with him, like the later two Terras or [[PluckyGirl Flamebird]]. They got one wish when Terra II was killed off. Terra III (Atlee) was then erased by the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' reboot, and Bette Kane now has no connections to Gar in the new continuity while the first Terra has been rebooted as a hero. The New 52 reboot thus resets the ship war to being between the first Terra and Raven. To complicate things, in the finale of ''The Ravagers'', most of the Ravagers (including Terra) have been captured. Beast Boy was left for dead, but Raven finds him and takes him to the Teen Titans to combat Trigon.
** Nightwing/Starfire is often bashed by fans who pair him with Oracle and who feel that a Batman character does not belong with an alien or anything more supernatural than what is normally seen in Gotham. Devin Grayson was notably opposed to the pairing and did what she could to [[ShipSinking discourage and sink it in her Titans run]], going as far as to [[DerailingLoveInterests portray Starfire as a shrill, embittered harpy who would fling starbolts at Nightwing if he (easily) offended her]]. Let's just say that, if you value your sanity, do NOT instigate a discussion of if Oracle or Starfire would be the better girlfriend for him.
** Cassie Sandsmark was hated by some shippers for her relationship with Kon-El, partially for her personality becoming increasingly obnoxious (though [[DependingOnTheWriter depending on who was writing her]]), and also because she was considered "in the way" of people shipping Robin and Superboy together. Even further back to the ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' days, Cassie earned controversy due to Peter David killing off Kon's previous love interest (Tana Moon) in favor of her, making a canon example of this trope unrelated to slash.
** During Bryan Q Miller's short run on the Titans, he attempted to have Aquagirl actually get in the way of Blue Beetle and Traci 13's relationship. The result? Enraged fans called for the character's death, referring to her as "The Aquaslut". Although in the end, Blue Beetle and Aquagirl didn't get together.
** A few old-school fans still wishing that Kid Flash/Raven would have happened can be rather vitriolic towards any of their later love interests, such as Linda Park (who Wally married). Although, some have also been accepting of Linda and don't approve of DC having erased her (and thus Wally, their marriage, and family) with the reboot.
* When it comes to ComicBook/TheFlash, as detailed above, Wally West fans that don't accept Linda as his wife have preferred she'd get out of the way for their own favorite love interest. This can include such options as Raven, Magenta, or Donna Troy (who he had an unrequited crush for).
** There are also some people who feel Wally should date another fellow superhero in general, as opposed to BadassNormal Linda Park. One strange pairing is Wally West/Jesse Quick, which was even present in-universe; Jay Garrick says that a lot of Wally's friends hoped the two would get together. The two can't stand each other, but hey, Shipping Goggles.
* ''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' is well-known for the decades long BettyAndVeronica love triangle. Naturally, this has occurred:
** Betty has overwhelmingly become the preferred girl due to being a sweet GirlNextDoor. Betty/Archie fans who demonize Veronica as a SpoiledBrat and a RichBitch aren't uncommon. This even extends to [[ComicBook/AfterlifeWithArchie some]] [[Series/{{Riverdale}} adaptations]] that [[AdaptationalVillainy exaggerate]] her negative aspects.
** On the other side, some Veronica/Archie supporters will consider Betty a DumbBlonde and a {{yandere}}. Betty hasn't been that obsessive over Archie [[CharacterizationMarchesOn in decades]].
** Cheryl Blossom has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".
* In the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fandom, Alex[=/=]Nico shippers ''hate'' Victor and Karolina - the former for being Nico's rebound love interest, and the latter because the ShipTease between Nico and Karolina began so soon after [[spoiler:Alex's death]].

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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This ''Franchise/XMen'':
** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen''
has long been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.
* Happened to Comicbook/LanaLang in ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', a hypothetical ending of Silver Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together.
* DieForOurShip ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan''. [[WordOfGod Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together, and Gwen was a boring DesignatedLoveInterest who had little to no personality. The passing of four decades and counting, as well as other love interests for Peter, has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.
* ComicBook/GreenArrow is often vilified by Dinah/Babs shippers because of his and Dinah's relationship. They even bashed him when he was dead, but nowhere near as much as they've done since he was resurrected. It's just gotten worse since he and Dinah tied the knot, with Ollie's writers apparently liking to help the shippers with that. On the other hand, the other male in the picture, [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]], gets almost no abuse, but is rather roped into OneTrueThreesome ships.
** Since Green Arrow ended up with Chloe Sullivan in ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', some fans hoped that Ollie and Chloe would get together in the comics after Chloe was officially introduced into the DC Canon.
* Believe it or not, ComicBook/TheJoker gets this a lot from the Ivy/Harley shippers. Justified in that Ivy does treat Harley better... somewhat.
** Conversely, if you ship Harley with anyone else, be prepared to duck. There are some [[VocalMinority fringe extremist]] Harley/Joker fangirls will attack you and whatever character you ship her with -- violently. This would probably embarrass most Harley/Joker shippers.
** Harley gets a lot of this from people who want to see the Joker with [[FoeYay Batman]] or (among people who mostly watch the movies) [[MadScientist Scarecrow.]] This is goofy because Harley and Joker have broken up in the comics and are now both free to be
shipped with anyone.
** And now the Harley x Scarecrow shippers have started in on the Joker, as evidenced in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lmxW4Txw90&feature=related multiple]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qguso-AsF04 fan videos]] for the pair on youtube. Actually, probably all the alternate Harley pairing shippers have started in on him.
*** [[Administrivia/JustifyingEdit Are we talking]] ComicBook/TheKillingJoke -style Joker we [[MagnificentBastard know]] and [[FauxAffablyEvil love]], or are we talking the Brian Azzarello-style version who's [[DarkerAndEdgier much different?]] -- Oh right, they're the ''[[DependingOnTheWriter same guy]]...''
* ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' has relatively little of this despite the [[LoveTriangle love quadrangle]] around Spider-Man,
ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans are fond of both the love quadrangle engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and its participants. There is, however, newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a small vocal band of Mary Jane haters JerkSue) for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, who usually ship Peter/Kitty; they were most active during a short period following the Clone saga. The addition promptly took advantage of Jessica Drew, Peter's genetically engineered female clone, has led to him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in a lot of [[SlashFic opportunities for alternate pairings]] for girls not currently involved with Peter.
* Franchise/TeenTitans: The comic version has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans
fashion that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than was presented simply as her being into the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to Raven and invoking this trope for him, engage in -- while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and scrambled enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive Scott and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those on Raven's side, kissing who dislike the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.
** However, the Beast Boy/Raven fans were not entirely innocent themselves. Some of them had bashed and wished death on any other woman that other fans dare suggest get paired
with him, like the later two Terras or [[PluckyGirl Flamebird]]. They got one wish when Terra II was killed off. Terra III (Atlee) was then erased by the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' reboot, and Bette Kane now has no connections to Gar in the new continuity while the first Terra has been rebooted as a hero. The New 52 reboot thus resets the ship war to being between the first Terra and Raven. To complicate things, in the finale Jean out of ''The Ravagers'', most of the Ravagers (including Terra) have been captured. Beast Boy was left respect for dead, but Raven finds him and takes him to the Teen Titans to combat Trigon.
** Nightwing/Starfire is often bashed by fans who pair him with Oracle and who feel that a Batman character does not belong with an alien or anything more supernatural than what is normally seen in Gotham. Devin Grayson was notably opposed to the pairing and did what she could to [[ShipSinking discourage and sink it in her Titans run]],
Scott, even going as far as to [[DerailingLoveInterests portray Starfire as reject a shrill, embittered harpy who would fling starbolts at Nightwing if he (easily) offended her]]. Let's just say that, if you value your sanity, do NOT instigate a discussion of if Oracle or Starfire desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
** In typical Creator/MarkMillar fashion, ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'' had the "cool guy" Wolverine not only take Jean Grey's virginity, but also [[MurderTheHypotenuse STAB the nerdy, put-upon "loser" Ultimate Cyclops and leave him to die]] to ensure that Jean
would be his and his alone. And the better girlfriend for him.
** Cassie Sandsmark
Fan Dumb ''rejoiced'', but their rejoicing was hated by some shippers for her relationship hilariously cut short when Cyclops turned out to be NotQuiteDead, staged a return, and angrily optic-blasted Wolverine off the team. And when Jean found out about Wolverine's MurderTheHypotenuse plan, she threatened Wolverine with Kon-El, partially for her personality becoming increasingly obnoxious (though [[DependingOnTheWriter depending on who all sorts of MindRape if she ever caught him having even ''one'' romantic or sexual thought towards her.
** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction
was writing her]]), and also because she was considered "in to beat the way" dogsnot out of people shipping Robin and Superboy together. Even further back to the ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'' days, Cassie earned controversy due to Peter David killing off Kon's Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous love interest (Tana Moon) appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.
** And that's not even counting all the ''canon'' DieForOurShip examples for ''X-Men'' (and ''many'' other comic book series too) coming from those RunningTheAsylum. Just go to DerailingLoveInterests to read them
in favor of her, making a canon example of all their tawdry glory.
** Following the films, Iceman gets
this trope unrelated to slash.
** During Bryan Q Miller's short run on
now from rabid Romy fans. In the Titans, he attempted to have Aquagirl actually get comics, Bobby and Rogue were just close friends, but received a RelationshipUpgrade in the way of Blue Beetle films (which is then adapted into the Ultimate universe), and Traci 13's relationship. The result? Enraged fans called for the character's death, referring to her as "The Aquaslut". Although in the end, Blue Beetle and Aquagirl didn't get together.
** A few old-school fans still wishing that Kid Flash/Raven would have happened can be rather vitriolic towards any of their later love interests, such as Linda Park (who Wally married). Although, some have also been accepting of Linda and don't approve of DC having erased her (and thus Wally, their marriage, and family)
with the reboot.
* When it comes
third film and Bobby being tempted to ComicBook/TheFlash, as detailed above, Wally West fans that don't accept Linda as his wife have preferred she'd get out of cheat on Rogue with Kitty (Again, happens in the way for their own favorite love interest. This can include such options as Raven, Magenta, or Donna Troy (who he had an unrequited crush for).
** There are also some
Ultimate universe too), people who feel Wally should date another fellow superhero now, whenever writing stories based in general, as opposed to BadassNormal Linda Park. One strange pairing is Wally West/Jesse Quick, which was even present in-universe; Jay Garrick says that a lot of Wally's friends hoped the two would get together. The two can't stand each other, but hey, Shipping Goggles.
* ''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' is well-known for the decades long BettyAndVeronica love triangle. Naturally, this has occurred:
** Betty has overwhelmingly become the preferred girl due to being a sweet GirlNextDoor. Betty/Archie fans who demonize Veronica
those universes, will write him off as a SpoiledBrat and a RichBitch aren't uncommon. This even extends to [[ComicBook/AfterlifeWithArchie some]] [[Series/{{Riverdale}} adaptations]] that [[AdaptationalVillainy exaggerate]] her negative aspects.
** On the other side, some Veronica/Archie supporters will consider Betty a DumbBlonde and a {{yandere}}. Betty hasn't been that obsessive over Archie [[CharacterizationMarchesOn in decades]].
** Cheryl Blossom has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often
despicable, cheating bastard or just out right say they hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".
* In
his guts now based solely on the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fandom, Alex[=/=]Nico shippers ''hate'' Victor and Karolina - the former for being Nico's rebound love interest, and the latter because the ShipTease between Nico and Karolina began so soon after [[spoiler:Alex's death]].Film Script writers.
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* ''Franchise/ArchieComics'' is well-known for the decades long BettyAndVeronica love triangle. Naturally, this has occurred:

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* ''Franchise/ArchieComics'' ''ComicBook/ArchieComics'' is well-known for the decades long BettyAndVeronica love triangle. Naturally, this has occurred:
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Incorrect usage; now called Hard Truth Aesop


* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.

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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop apparent message that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.
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** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he wasn't an option for a long while post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Franchise/{{Superman}} (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).

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** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he wasn't an option for a long while post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Franchise/{{Superman}} (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), Elseworlds [[MayflyDecemberRomance and]] [[EternalLove far]] [[HisHeartWillGoOn future]]), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
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Internet Backdraft is now Flame Bait and being dewicked per TRS.


** While few shippers kill them in fic, shipping Diana with Clark or Bruce is still a huge BrokenBase issue and a great way to start a [[InternetBackdraft flame war]] at any comics forum. Rama and Io, on the other hand, Diana's two most obscure suitors (one was in a story arc nobody read, and the other is a female love interest [[HideYourLesbians too subtle for most fans to pick up on]]), are generally liked by anyone who's heard of them and are probably protected from this mostly because most fans aren't aware of them.

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** While few shippers kill them in fic, shipping Diana with Clark or Bruce is still a huge BrokenBase issue and a great way to start a [[InternetBackdraft flame war]] {{flame war}} at any comics forum. Rama and Io, on the other hand, Diana's two most obscure suitors (one was in a story arc nobody read, and the other is a female love interest [[HideYourLesbians too subtle for most fans to pick up on]]), are generally liked by anyone who's heard of them and are probably protected from this mostly because most fans aren't aware of them.



** Nightwing/Starfire is often bashed by fans who pair him with Oracle and who feel that a Batman character does not belong with an alien or anything more supernatural than what is normally seen in Gotham. Devin Grayson was notably opposed to the pairing and did what she could to [[ShipSinking discourage and sink it in her Titans run]], going as far as to [[DerailingLoveInterests portray Starfire as a shrill, embittered harpy who would fling starbolts at Nightwing if he (easily) offended her]]. Let's just say that, if you value your sanity, do NOT instigate a [[InternetBackdraft discussion of if Oracle or Starfire would be the better girlfriend for him.]]

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** Nightwing/Starfire is often bashed by fans who pair him with Oracle and who feel that a Batman character does not belong with an alien or anything more supernatural than what is normally seen in Gotham. Devin Grayson was notably opposed to the pairing and did what she could to [[ShipSinking discourage and sink it in her Titans run]], going as far as to [[DerailingLoveInterests portray Starfire as a shrill, embittered harpy who would fling starbolts at Nightwing if he (easily) offended her]]. Let's just say that, if you value your sanity, do NOT instigate a [[InternetBackdraft discussion of if Oracle or Starfire would be the better girlfriend for him.]]

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Both of these paragraphs are natteyr to me, and the main reason conway did the story was to get peter and mj together


* Happened IN-CANON to Comicbook/LanaLang in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ending of Silver-Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together.
* DieForOurShip ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in Franchise/SpiderMan: [[WordOfDante Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.
** Reversed recently as now it's "Live for our Ship," with many fans arguing for Gwen's resurrection given how much of a "match" she is for Peter over the more popular Mary Jane. Unfortunately, many of these fans fail to ever state a single instance before Gwen died of her compatibility with Peter, and mostly use examples from the recent cartoons and movies featuring her character as "proof."
** While Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen wasn't entirely or merely about that. When he replaced Stan Lee as writer (the first one anyone did so), Romita Sr. and he discussed plans for a status-quo shift and they considered a major CharacterDeath as a good stunt to show that Spider-Man could continue without Stan "the Man". Romita Sr. suggested killing Aunt May, but Conway felt that she was too old and it wouldn't have as much of an impact, and there was also talk in the office that it would give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. Conway proposed Gwen as his favored choice, seeing it as a way to get rid of a character that he considered to be a DesignatedLoveInterest who writers and artists tried to shill over the girl that audiences actually liked and preferred to see the hero be with and who was also the one that Aunt May saw as good for Peter which many long time readers, of which Conway (then ''[[ImprobableAge 19]]'' was one) saw as a hint that MJ was supposed to be Peter's main romance. Conway also felt that killing Gwen would be a good chance to do something unprecedented in superhero comics and raise the stakes for Spider-Man stories to AnyoneCanDie levels, since while Gwen was hardly popular herself, for the younger readers of Spider-Man, she would undoubtedly count as Peter's "Lois Lane" while also making a break from the more lighter and audience friendly Spider-Man stories from the Lee/Ditko/Kirby era.

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* Happened IN-CANON to Comicbook/LanaLang in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', a hypothetical ending of Silver-Age Silver Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together.
* DieForOurShip ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in Franchise/SpiderMan: [[WordOfDante ''ComicBook/SpiderMan''. [[WordOfGod Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. together, and Gwen was a boring DesignatedLoveInterest who had little to no personality. The passing of four decades and counting counting, as well as other love interests for Peter, has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.
** Reversed recently as now it's "Live for our Ship," with many fans arguing for Gwen's resurrection given how much of a "match" she is for Peter over the more popular Mary Jane. Unfortunately, many of these fans fail to ever state a single instance before Gwen died of her compatibility with Peter, and mostly use examples from the recent cartoons and movies featuring her character as "proof."
** While Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen wasn't entirely or merely about that. When he replaced Stan Lee as writer (the first one anyone did so), Romita Sr. and he discussed plans for a status-quo shift and they considered a major CharacterDeath as a good stunt to show that Spider-Man could continue without Stan "the Man". Romita Sr. suggested killing Aunt May, but Conway felt that she was too old and it wouldn't have as much of an impact, and there was also talk in the office that it would give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. Conway proposed Gwen as his favored choice, seeing it as a way to get rid of a character that he considered to be a DesignatedLoveInterest who writers and artists tried to shill over the girl that audiences actually liked and preferred to see the hero be with and who was also the one that Aunt May saw as good for Peter which many long time readers, of which Conway (then ''[[ImprobableAge 19]]'' was one) saw as a hint that MJ was supposed to be Peter's main romance. Conway also felt that killing Gwen would be a good chance to do something unprecedented in superhero comics and raise the stakes for Spider-Man stories to AnyoneCanDie levels, since while Gwen was hardly popular herself, for the younger readers of Spider-Man, she would undoubtedly count as Peter's "Lois Lane" while also making a break from the more lighter and audience friendly Spider-Man stories from the Lee/Ditko/Kirby era.
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* ''Franchise/ArchieComics'' is well-known for the decades long BettyAndVeronica love triangle. Naturally this has occured:

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* ''Franchise/ArchieComics'' is well-known for the decades long BettyAndVeronica love triangle. Naturally Naturally, this has occured:occurred:



** On the other side, some Veronica/Archie supporters will consider DumbBlonde and a {{yandere}}. Betty hasn't been that obsessive over Archie [[CharacterizationMarchesOn in decades]].
** Cheryl has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".
* In the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fandom, Alex[=/=]Nico shippers ''hate'' Victor and Karolina - the former for being Nico's rebound love interest, and the latter because the ShipTease between Nico and Karolina began so soon after [[spoiler:Alex's death]].

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** On the other side, some Veronica/Archie supporters will consider Betty a DumbBlonde and a {{yandere}}. Betty hasn't been that obsessive over Archie [[CharacterizationMarchesOn in decades]].
** Cheryl Blossom has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".
* In the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fandom, Alex[=/=]Nico shippers ''hate'' Victor and Karolina - the former for being Nico's rebound love interest, and the latter because the ShipTease between Nico and Karolina began so soon after [[spoiler:Alex's death]].death]].
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** While Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen wasn't entirely or merely about that. When he replaced Stan Lee as writer (the first one anyone did so), Romita Sr. and he discussed plans for a status-quo shift and they considered a major CharacterDeath as a good stunt to show that Spider-Man could continue without Stan "the Man". Romita Sr. suggested killing Aunt May, but Conway felt that she was too old and it wouldn't have as much of an impact, and there was also talk in the office that it would give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. Conway proposed Gwen as his favored choice, seeing it as a way to get rid of a character that he considered to be a DesignatedLoveInterest who writers and artists tried to shill over the girl that audiences actually liked and preferred to see the hero be with (and who was also the one that Aunt May saw as good for Peter which many long time readers, of which Conway (then ''[[ImprobableAge 19]]'' was one) saw as a hint that MJ was supposed to be Peter's main romance. Conway also felt that killing Gwen would be a good chance to do something unprecedented in superhero comics and raise the stakes for Spider-Man stories to AnyoneCanDie levels, since while Gwen was hardly popular herself, for the younger readers of Spider-Man, she would undoubtedly count as Peter's "Lois Lane" while also making a break from the more lighter and audience friendly Spider-Man stories from the Lee/Ditko/Kirby era.

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** While Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen wasn't entirely or merely about that. When he replaced Stan Lee as writer (the first one anyone did so), Romita Sr. and he discussed plans for a status-quo shift and they considered a major CharacterDeath as a good stunt to show that Spider-Man could continue without Stan "the Man". Romita Sr. suggested killing Aunt May, but Conway felt that she was too old and it wouldn't have as much of an impact, and there was also talk in the office that it would give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. Conway proposed Gwen as his favored choice, seeing it as a way to get rid of a character that he considered to be a DesignatedLoveInterest who writers and artists tried to shill over the girl that audiences actually liked and preferred to see the hero be with (and and who was also the one that Aunt May saw as good for Peter which many long time readers, of which Conway (then ''[[ImprobableAge 19]]'' was one) saw as a hint that MJ was supposed to be Peter's main romance. Conway also felt that killing Gwen would be a good chance to do something unprecedented in superhero comics and raise the stakes for Spider-Man stories to AnyoneCanDie levels, since while Gwen was hardly popular herself, for the younger readers of Spider-Man, she would undoubtedly count as Peter's "Lois Lane" while also making a break from the more lighter and audience friendly Spider-Man stories from the Lee/Ditko/Kirby era.
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** While Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen wasn't entirely or merely about that. When he replaced Stan Lee as writer (the first one anyone did so), Romita Sr. and he discussed plans for a status-quo shift and they considered a major CharacterDeath as a good stunt to show that Spider-Man could continue without Stan "the Man". Romita Sr. suggested killing Aunt May, but Conway felt that she was too old and it wouldn't have as much of an impact, and there was also talk in the office that it would give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. Conway proposed as his favored choice, seeing it as a way to get rid of a character that he considered to be a DesignatedLoveInterest who writers and artists tried to shill over the girl that audiences actually liked and preferred to see the hero be with (and who was also the one that Aunt May saw as good for Peter which many long time readers, of which Conway (then ''[[ImprobableAge 19]]'' was one) saw as a hint that MJ was supposed to be Peter's main romance. Conway also felt that killing Gwen would be a good chance to do something unprecedented in superhero comics and raise the stakes for Spider-Man stories to AnyoneCanDie levels, since while Gwen was hardly popular herself, for the younger readers of Spider-Man, she would undoubtedly count as Peter's "Lois Lane" while also making a break from the more lighter and audience friendly Spider-Man stories from the Lee/Ditko/Kirby era.

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** While Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen wasn't entirely or merely about that. When he replaced Stan Lee as writer (the first one anyone did so), Romita Sr. and he discussed plans for a status-quo shift and they considered a major CharacterDeath as a good stunt to show that Spider-Man could continue without Stan "the Man". Romita Sr. suggested killing Aunt May, but Conway felt that she was too old and it wouldn't have as much of an impact, and there was also talk in the office that it would give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. Conway proposed Gwen as his favored choice, seeing it as a way to get rid of a character that he considered to be a DesignatedLoveInterest who writers and artists tried to shill over the girl that audiences actually liked and preferred to see the hero be with (and who was also the one that Aunt May saw as good for Peter which many long time readers, of which Conway (then ''[[ImprobableAge 19]]'' was one) saw as a hint that MJ was supposed to be Peter's main romance. Conway also felt that killing Gwen would be a good chance to do something unprecedented in superhero comics and raise the stakes for Spider-Man stories to AnyoneCanDie levels, since while Gwen was hardly popular herself, for the younger readers of Spider-Man, she would undoubtedly count as Peter's "Lois Lane" while also making a break from the more lighter and audience friendly Spider-Man stories from the Lee/Ditko/Kirby era.
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* Happened IN-CANON to Comicbook/LanaLang in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ending of Silver-Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together in the end.
* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in Franchise/SpiderMan: [[WordOfDante Supposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.

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* Happened IN-CANON to Comicbook/LanaLang in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ending of Silver-Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together in the end.
together.
* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in Franchise/SpiderMan: [[WordOfDante Supposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.



** It should also be noted that while Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen didn't come from him. He initially wanted to kill Aunt May, but was told it'd give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. So Gwen was chosen by the writers and editorial as a suitable second choice. It was hardly the "Writer kills beloved love interest to shack up his fan preferred pairing" some claim it to be.

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** It should also be noted that while While Gerry Conway did prefer Peter and MJ, the decision to kill Gwen didn't come from him. He initially wanted wasn't entirely or merely about that. When he replaced Stan Lee as writer (the first one anyone did so), Romita Sr. and he discussed plans for a status-quo shift and they considered a major CharacterDeath as a good stunt to kill show that Spider-Man could continue without Stan "the Man". Romita Sr. suggested killing Aunt May, but Conway felt that she was told it'd too old and it wouldn't have as much of an impact, and there was also talk in the office that it would give Peter Parker no reason to keep his secret ID. So Gwen was chosen by the Conway proposed as his favored choice, seeing it as a way to get rid of a character that he considered to be a DesignatedLoveInterest who writers and editorial artists tried to shill over the girl that audiences actually liked and preferred to see the hero be with (and who was also the one that Aunt May saw as good for Peter which many long time readers, of which Conway (then ''[[ImprobableAge 19]]'' was one) saw as a suitable second choice. It hint that MJ was supposed to be Peter's main romance. Conway also felt that killing Gwen would be a good chance to do something unprecedented in superhero comics and raise the stakes for Spider-Man stories to AnyoneCanDie levels, since while Gwen was hardly popular herself, for the "Writer kills beloved love interest to shack up his fan preferred pairing" some claim it to be.younger readers of Spider-Man, she would undoubtedly count as Peter's "Lois Lane" while also making a break from the more lighter and audience friendly Spider-Man stories from the Lee/Ditko/Kirby era.
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** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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** The LoveTriangle Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with [[spoiler: being sent to reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), JerkSue) for therapy over his post-traumatic astral possession stress, who agreed to promptly took advantage of him - her extremely mentally vulnerable ''patient'' - in a fashion that was presented simply as her being into the sort of kinky sex/role-playing that Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
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** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.

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** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of course, get vilified by the more hardline members of the house and goes on missions with Diana.SM-Lois camp who go as far as to try to shut down the SM-WW camp's non-canon sites, which is taking things to a Main/{{FanDumb}} level.
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*** [[JustifyingEdit Are we talking]] ComicBook/TheKillingJoke -style Joker we [[MagnificentBastard know]] and [[FauxAffablyEvil love]], or are we talking the Brian Azzarello-style version who's [[DarkerAndEdgier much different?]] -- Oh right, they're the ''[[DependingOnTheWriter same guy]]...''

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*** [[JustifyingEdit [[Administrivia/JustifyingEdit Are we talking]] ComicBook/TheKillingJoke -style Joker we [[MagnificentBastard know]] and [[FauxAffablyEvil love]], or are we talking the Brian Azzarello-style version who's [[DarkerAndEdgier much different?]] -- Oh right, they're the ''[[DependingOnTheWriter same guy]]...''
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* When it comes to TheFlash, as detailed above, Wally West fans that don't accept Linda as his wife have preferred she'd get out of the way for their own favorite love interest. This can include such options as Raven, Magenta, or Donna Troy (who he had an unrequited crush for).

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* When it comes to TheFlash, ComicBook/TheFlash, as detailed above, Wally West fans that don't accept Linda as his wife have preferred she'd get out of the way for their own favorite love interest. This can include such options as Raven, Magenta, or Donna Troy (who he had an unrequited crush for).

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]][=/=][[TheStoic Cyclops]][=/=]Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
** In typical Creator/MarkMillar fashion, ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'' had the "cool guy" Wolverine not only take Jean Grey's virginity, but also [[MurderTheHypotenuse STAB the nerdy, put-upon "loser" Ultimate Cyclops and leave him to die]] to ensure that Jean would be his and his alone. And the FanDumb ''rejoiced''!
*** Their rejoicing was hilariously cut short when Cyclops turned out to be NotQuiteDead, staged a return, and angrily optic-blasted Wolverine off the team. And when Jean found out about Wolverine's MurderTheHypotenuse plan, she threatened Wolverine with all sorts of MindRape if she ever caught him having even ''one'' romantic or sexual thought towards her.

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The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]][=/=][[TheStoic Cyclops]][=/=]Wolverine Comicbook/JeanGrey/Comicbook/{{Cyclops}}/Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>
** In typical Creator/MarkMillar fashion, ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'' had the "cool guy" Wolverine not only take Jean Grey's virginity, but also [[MurderTheHypotenuse STAB the nerdy, put-upon "loser" Ultimate Cyclops and leave him to die]] to ensure that Jean would be his and his alone. And the FanDumb ''rejoiced''!
*** Their
Fan Dumb ''rejoiced'', but their rejoicing was hilariously cut short when Cyclops turned out to be NotQuiteDead, staged a return, and angrily optic-blasted Wolverine off the team. And when Jean found out about Wolverine's MurderTheHypotenuse plan, she threatened Wolverine with all sorts of MindRape if she ever caught him having even ''one'' romantic or sexual thought towards her.



* Any female that "gets in the way of" [[Characters/BatmanAndBatFamily Batman family]] HoYay is almost guaranteed a vilifying in fandom. ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} is exempted because of the GrandfatherClause and her already being a villain; no one else is safe. Similarly, ComicBook/LoisLane is often conveniently ignored as if she didn't exist when there's Batman/Superman HoYay to be had.

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* Any female that "gets in the way of" [[Characters/BatmanAndBatFamily Batman family]] family HoYay is almost guaranteed a vilifying in fandom. ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} is exempted because of the GrandfatherClause and her already being a villain; no one else is safe. Similarly, ComicBook/LoisLane is often conveniently ignored as if she didn't exist when there's Batman/Superman HoYay to be had.



* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorschach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorschach...who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.

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* In the ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'' fandom, [[HoYay Rorschach/Dan]] shippers tend to turn Dan's [[OfficialCouple canon]] LoveInterest, Laurie, into a) a shrieking harpy who either b) dies horribly or c) turns into a supervillain. Or all three. This allows Dan to be with his true love, Rorschach... who is a homophobic, right-wing ugly nutjob who never bathes and has NoSocialSkills. Oh, fandom.



* Some ''WonderWoman'' fans hate ''any'' guy that might develop a relationship with her; they feel that ''nobody'' is worthy of her, which makes it more a case of "Die for her celibacy".
** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not an option post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
*** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.

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* Some ''WonderWoman'' ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' fans hate ''any'' guy that might develop a relationship with her; they feel that ''nobody'' is worthy of her, which makes it more a case of "Die for her celibacy".
** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not he wasn't an option for a long while post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman Franchise/{{Superman}} (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).
*** ** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.



* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker kills Lois]]. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.

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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker kills Lois]].Wonder Woman. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.



** Now that Green Arrow ended up with Chloe Sullivan in ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', some fans are hoping that Ollie and Chloe will get together in the comics now that Chloe's been officially introduced into the DC Canon. The Ollie/Dinah shippers will then shriek that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are "[[NoTrueScotsman not true comic fans]]" because they watched ''Smallville'' and that this apparently means that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are somehow not allowed to have any opinions on comic characters.
*** In the mainstream comics, Chloe is apparently made younger into a DistaffCounterpart of ComicBook/JimmyOlsen, so...

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** Now that Since Green Arrow ended up with Chloe Sullivan in ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', some fans are hoping hoped that Ollie and Chloe will would get together in the comics now that Chloe's been after Chloe was officially introduced into the DC Canon. The Ollie/Dinah shippers will then shriek that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are "[[NoTrueScotsman not true comic fans]]" because they watched ''Smallville'' and that this apparently means that the Ollie/Chloe shippers are somehow not allowed to have any opinions on comic characters.
*** In the mainstream comics, Chloe is apparently made younger into a DistaffCounterpart of ComicBook/JimmyOlsen, so...
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* [[Comicbook/TeenTitans The comic version of Teen Titans]] has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.

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* [[Comicbook/TeenTitans Franchise/TeenTitans: The comic version of Teen Titans]] has as much of this trope as the animated version. One case? Beast Boy and Raven. When Geoff Johns made the two an OfficialCouple, there was mass rage from not only Beast Boy or Raven fans that didn't want them paired up, but also Beast Boy[=/=][[TheMole Terra]] fans, Beast Boy/Terra II fans, Jericho/Raven fans, [[HoYay Beast Boy/Cyborg]] fans, Nightwing/Raven fans... fans of any pairing other than the two together. Much hate was directed at Beast Boy from the fans who were more sympathetic to Raven and invoking this trope for him, while fans more sympathetic to Beast Boy began calling Raven an evil slut and scrambled to show their canon proof that she would be an abusive and cruel girlfriend to him, as well as stating that he would surely become weak and turn evil because of her. For some of those on Raven's side, kissing the 'green puke' ruined her forever. Of course, it didn't help that the pairing also lacked stability and much on-panel development through the volume 3 run and Winick's "Titans", with Johns first breaking the two up so he could put Beast Boy on the Doom Patrol (feeling that the Titans needed less adults), and then later writers going back and forth on whether the two would get together or not. They finally settled on continuing their relationship at the end of volume 3, but then the reboot hit.

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine Grey]][=/=][[TheStoic Cyclops]][=/=]Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}[=/=]Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having [[spoiler:having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing [[spoiler:dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing [[spoiler:refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>



** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.

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** Then there were the Pete vs. Piotr {{Flame War}}s. When WarrenEllis Creator/WarrenEllis first hooked up Pete Wisdom and Kitty Pryde in ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'', Colossus' initial reaction was to beat the dogsnot out of Wisdom. This, even though in his most recent previous appearance Colossus had come across as level-headed and wasn't even thinking of Kitty. [[WordOfGod Ellis]] himself admitted later that he wrote Colossus OutOfCharacter. Alas, the damage was done; Colossus is still reviled by a vocal sub-group of X-fans for one OutOfCharacterMoment. Many Pryde/Wisdom fanfics treat Colossus as mentally retarded at best and a rapist at worst.



** Following the films, Iceman gets this now from rabid Romy fans. In the comics, Bobby and Rogue were just close friends, but recieved a RelationshipUpgrade in the films (which is then adapted into the Ultimate universe), and with the third film and Bobby being tempted to cheat on Rogue with Kitty (Again, happens in the Ultimate universe too), people now, whenever writing stories based in those universes, will write him off as a despicable, cheating bastard or just out right say they hate his guts now based solely on the Film Script writers.

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** Following the films, Iceman gets this now from rabid Romy fans. In the comics, Bobby and Rogue were just close friends, but recieved received a RelationshipUpgrade in the films (which is then adapted into the Ultimate universe), and with the third film and Bobby being tempted to cheat on Rogue with Kitty (Again, happens in the Ultimate universe too), people now, whenever writing stories based in those universes, will write him off as a despicable, cheating bastard or just out right say they hate his guts now based solely on the Film Script writers.



** It's been said that you just don't get between WonderWoman shippers and Catwoman shippers when they're fighting over Batman. Sorry, but you just don't, if you value life and limb.

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** It's been said that you just don't get between WonderWoman ComicBook/WonderWoman shippers and Catwoman shippers when they're fighting over Batman. Sorry, but you just don't, if you value life and limb.



** Cheryl has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".

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** Cheryl has been very controversial from the start due to being the ThirdOptionLoveInterest for Archie. Shippers often hate her for being a JerkAss or call her "too sexy".sexy".
* In the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fandom, Alex[=/=]Nico shippers ''hate'' Victor and Karolina - the former for being Nico's rebound love interest, and the latter because the ShipTease between Nico and Karolina began so soon after [[spoiler:Alex's death]].
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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker kills Lois]]. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.

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* [[DerailingLoveInterests This is actually]] ''[[DerailingLoveInterests canon]]'' for Lois Lane in many Elseworlds, where the writers are constantly offing her so that Superman can hook up with WonderWoman. One example is [[spoiler:''ComicBook/KingdomCome'']], in which [[spoiler:SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker kills Lois]]. This has been so jaw-droppingly overused and cliche, and the Supes/Wondy romances have traditionally been so appallingly badly developed (SturgeonsLaw dictates that most Elseworlds be pretentious original stories with superheroes' names shoehorned into the plot), that it has given rise to all sorts of massive UnfortunateImplications, from the general feeling that Diana spends her life stalking Supes while waiting for Lois to kick the bucket, to the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that superheroes are vastly superior to us PunyHumans, and should not defile themselves by marrying one of our mortal female lumps of flesh.



* Believe it or not, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker gets this a lot from the Ivy/Harley shippers. Justified in that Ivy does treat Harley better... somewhat.

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* Believe it or not, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker gets this a lot from the Ivy/Harley shippers. Justified in that Ivy does treat Harley better... somewhat.


* ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' has relatively little of this despite the [[LoveTriangle love quadrangle]] around Spider-Man, since the fans are fond of both the love quadrangle and its participants. There is, however, a small vocal band of Mary Jane haters who usually ship Peter/Kitty; they were most active during a short period following the Clone saga. The addition of Jessica Drew, [[FetishFuel Peter's genetically engineered female clone]], has led to a lot of [[SlashFic opportunities for alternate pairings]] for girls not currently involved with Peter.

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* ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' has relatively little of this despite the [[LoveTriangle love quadrangle]] around Spider-Man, since the fans are fond of both the love quadrangle and its participants. There is, however, a small vocal band of Mary Jane haters who usually ship Peter/Kitty; they were most active during a short period following the Clone saga. The addition of Jessica Drew, [[FetishFuel Peter's genetically engineered female clone]], clone, has led to a lot of [[SlashFic opportunities for alternate pairings]] for girls not currently involved with Peter.
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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss badass is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>



** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not an option post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for [[BadAss obvious]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).

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** Exceptions: Steve Trevor due to GrandfatherClause (though he's not an option post-''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''), Superman (although the presence of Lois means that's limited to Elseworlds), and Batman (for [[BadAss obvious]] obvious [[EnsembleDarkhorse reasons]]).

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a TsundereSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Jean Grey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>

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* The LoveTriangle [[HeroesWantRedheads Jean Grey]] / [[TheStoic Cyclops]] / Wolverine from ''Comicbook/XMen'' has long been a complicated storm of controversy. Many fans have shipped ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} /Jean Grey since the day Wolverine joined the X-Men, but Marvel has long refused to give into fan demands. So fans engage in Scott ''and'' Jean bashing. Marvel has also changed Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} (first [[spoiler: having him abandon his wife Madelyne Pryor and newborn son Nathan Summers, something not even ''Jean'' approved of]] and later [[spoiler: dealing with his post-traumatic astral possession stress by psychically sleeping with reformed villainess Emma Frost (who was also changed into a TsundereSue), JerkSue), who agreed to the sort of kinky sex/role-playing Jean refused to engage in -- while they portrayed Jean Grey Comicbook/JeanGrey as a [[PuritySue forgiving and enabling saint]] who ultimately gave her blessing to Scott and Emma on her deathbed)]]. Meanwhile, perhaps spurred by those who dislike the often [[DoubleStandard misogynistic views upon marriage]] that Marvel takes (that is, it's always the woman's fault if a marriage fails in a Marvel Comic), Marvel in recent years have portrayed Wolverine as [[spoiler: refusing to consider a relationship with Jean out of respect for Scott, even going as far as to reject a desperate Jean's advances when she confided to Wolverine that Scott was refusing to touch her sexually]]. So, the BadAss is "always right," and his love rival is "always wrong". <sigh>



*** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton ({{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.

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*** There are actually a fair number of Wonder Woman/Superman shippers (not ''nearly'' enough to outnumber the Clark/Lois fans, but they exist) who excitedly fantasize about the possibility of Clark and Diana getting married and giving rise to a dynasty of Kryptonian/Amazonian super-babies. Bonus points if their first super-baby is a daughter who can grow up to inherit the mantle of Queen of Themyscira AND the mantle of Last Daughter of Krypton ({{Supergirl}} (Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is either conveniently ignored, or goes into retirement so that Clark and Diana's daughter can become the new Supergirl). These fans unsurprisingly vilify ComicBook/LoisLane as an evil, shrill gold-digging "mere mortal" who is holding Clark back from realizing that his true love is Diana, and conjecture that Clark is only truly happy when he gets out of the house and goes on missions with Diana.



** [[ComicBook/{{New52}} And now in the main verse too!]] Lois has been seeing someone else, so that means Superman can pursue a relationship with Wonder Woman.
* Happened IN-CANON to Lana in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ending of Silver-Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together in the end.
* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''{{Spider-Man}}'': [[WordOfDante Supposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.

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** [[ComicBook/{{New52}} And now in the main verse too!]] Lois has been seeing someone else, so that means Superman can pursue a relationship with Wonder Woman.
* Happened IN-CANON to Lana Comicbook/LanaLang in "ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow", the official ending of Silver-Age Superman. Lana was fried by Lightning Lord so that Lois and de-powered Clark could live their life together in the end.
* DieForOurShip apparently ''canonically'' happened with the death of Gwen Stacy in ''{{Spider-Man}}'': Franchise/SpiderMan: [[WordOfDante Supposedly, writer Gerry Conway has stated]] that a big reason for killing her off was that he felt Peter and Mary Jane deserved to be together. The passing of four decades and counting has yet to defuse the debate among the fans themselves.

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