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* Tropers/{{mkmlp}}: This may be one of the less noteworthy episodes to place here, but for me "[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/SouthParkS10E2SmugAlert Smug Alert]]" was the episode that solidified just how truly unlike Randy and the other adults in South Park can be. Long story short, Kyle's dad Gerald gets all smug after getting a hybrid car. Gets on the bad side of the other residence of South Park. So he decides to move to San Francisco and uproot his whole family, rather than stop acting like a self absorbed douche. Not wanting to lose his best friend, Stan writes a song that convinces the rest of the adult's in town to get hybrid cars too. Who also start acting smug about it. And when their own smugness inadvertently causes a major disaster, literally every adult in South Park, especially his own father, blames Stan and his "gay ass song" and the hybrid cars, for the cataclysm that was fueled by their own smug attitudes. And they spend the entire rest of the episode blaming everything on Stan, while showing no sympathy towards his fears of losing Kyle. And when they're are finally told off for this and informed that hybrid cars are still good and all they have to do is drive them without having a smug attitude about it, they "learn" that they are just not ready to use such technology without being smug jackasses about it. This is the moment where I just wanted to tell Randy and the rest of the adult population of South Park to fuck off.
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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with "Timmy 2000" that I don't think most people ever really thought about, aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him--especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" speech that went on about "he made us laugh, and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be 'protected' and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt really not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later, and not to mention how people diagnosed with autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me, this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is, but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved characters, especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just really gets under my skin. In addition, I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that they made Skylar (the same Skylar introduced in "Cat Orgy", who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time--a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl--who even Cartman, of all people, bluntly said "[[EveryoneHasStandards Dude, that's not cool!]]") into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that: they took a past character who was a creepy, legit ephebophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself, and yet we're supposed to care for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to hate Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins' music, or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode. There is no way anyone should ever make someone who is a legit ephebophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in "Cartman Joins NAMBLA"! I love your show, Trey and Matt, but seriously, fuck this episode!

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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with "Timmy 2000" that I don't think most people ever really thought about, aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him--especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" speech that went on about "he made us laugh, and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be 'protected' and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt really not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later, and not to mention how people diagnosed with autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me, this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is, but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved characters, especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just really gets under my skin. In addition, I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that they made Skylar (the same Skylar introduced in "Cat Orgy", who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time--a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl--who even Cartman, of all people, bluntly said "[[EveryoneHasStandards Dude, that's not cool!]]") into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that: they took a past character who was a creepy, legit ephebophile pedophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself, and yet we're supposed to care for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to hate Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins' music, or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode. There is no way anyone should ever make someone who is a legit ephebophile pedophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in "Cartman Joins NAMBLA"! I love your show, Trey and Matt, but seriously, fuck this episode!
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** mikelarson479: I totally agree with you. "Douche and Turd" is perhaps the most overrated and disappointing episode in the whole of the series. It's also my third least favorite behind "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E14StanleysCup Stanley's Cup]]" and "[[Recap/SouthParkS12E8TheChinaProblem The China Probrem]]". I'll be the first to admit that it had a funny premise, but its execution was poor as hell. Aside from that, there is only so much good suspension of disbelief can do when one watches the show. I mean, the very idea that a town in this day and age would be so primitive, so barbaric, and so out-of-dare as to banish a 9-year-old boy simply for not voting is beyond ludicrous. And you are absolutely right; Kyle lost all the respect I had for him after that episode. He still isn't even close to regaining it. The final blow is when Stan returns from the PETA camp battered, wounded, and even shot in the shoulder, yet nobody seems to give two craps about his safety, even his own parents!

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** mikelarson479: I totally agree with you. "Douche and Turd" is perhaps the most overrated and disappointing episode in the whole of the series. It's also my third least favorite behind "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E14StanleysCup Stanley's Cup]]" and "[[Recap/SouthParkS12E8TheChinaProblem "[[Recap/SouthParkS12E8TheChinaProbrem The China Probrem]]". I'll be the first to admit that it had a funny premise, but its execution was poor as hell. Aside from that, there is only so much good suspension of disbelief can do when one watches the show. I mean, the very idea that a town in this day and age would be so primitive, so barbaric, and so out-of-dare as to banish a 9-year-old boy simply for not voting is beyond ludicrous. And you are absolutely right; Kyle lost all the respect I had for him after that episode. He still isn't even close to regaining it. The final blow is when Stan returns from the PETA camp battered, wounded, and even shot in the shoulder, yet nobody seems to give two craps about his safety, even his own parents!
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** Tropers/{{Codename Bravo}}: Me too. With a title like "You're Getting Old" I was expecting the plot to be more about Stan feeling, well old, rather than (just) depressed about everything. I agree with you about the shit stuff. Had they made the plot about Stan going through something similar to a mid life crisis, it would've been much funnier or at least relatable. Stan turned out to be the oldest from the main boys and he is usually the leader. They could've dove more into it. Not to mention how out of character was for the other three main boys to completely abandon Stan just because he's very grumpy, while still hanging out with fucking Cartman. I can buy Cartman leaving Stan, but the other ones too? Kyle is Stan's best friend. Remember the episode when Kyle needed a new Kidney and Stan did everything in his power to save him? Also, Kenny, Stan saved him from dying in "Super Fun Time" by making "the ultimate sacrifice" (it's not as epic as it sounds, considering it was looking like a fool in front of Wendy, but it was the ultimate sacrifice in Stan's view and he did risk his own life). This episode was just wasted potential.

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** Tropers/{{Codename Bravo}}: Tropers/AngryAcorn: Me too. With a title like "You're Getting Old" I was expecting the plot to be more about Stan feeling, well old, rather than (just) depressed about everything. I agree with you about the shit stuff. Had they made the plot about Stan going through something similar to a mid life crisis, it would've been much funnier or at least relatable. Stan turned out to be the oldest from the main boys and he is usually the leader. They could've dove more into it. Not to mention how out of character was for the other three main boys to completely abandon Stan just because he's very grumpy, while still hanging out with fucking Cartman. I can buy Cartman leaving Stan, but the other ones too? Kyle is Stan's best friend. Remember the episode when Kyle needed a new Kidney and Stan did everything in his power to save him? Also, Kenny, Stan saved him from dying in "Super Fun Time" by making "the ultimate sacrifice" (it's not as epic as it sounds, considering it was looking like a fool in front of Wendy, but it was the ultimate sacrifice in Stan's view and he did risk his own life). This episode was just wasted potential.
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* Branch_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, for the love of all that's holy, please get back on track.
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* Branch_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, for the love of all that's holy, please get back on track.
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* Branch_823: "Shots!", the show's 300th episode. Apart from an infuriating running gag where needle-phobic Cartman is demeaned by literally squealing and running away like a pig to the point of stripping off his clothes while stereotypical banjo music plays (because T&M are still teenagers, apparently), there is one moment that stands out for me. In particular, Cartman claiming that vaccinations cause people to become "artistic". He actually means "autistic", which means T&M are once again reminding us about the "Ass Burgers" episode where that very controversial claim is talked about. Because that claim has been proved false, and as somebody on the spectrum, there's nothing that angers me than that controversial claim. When Liane gets jabbed with a vaccination needle at the end, I feared the worst that she would suddenly be on the spectrum, but it turns out she's painting art, subverting what I feared. It was too little, too late, too uninformed. What's more, you could literally cut that ending out and it wouldn't make a difference because that doesn't get mentioned ever again, making me think that T&M decided to voice their pro-"vaccines cause autism" claim again because they've run out of any more ideas, so they're resorting to recycling old stuff. And out of all the recycled stuff, this was the one they chose to bring back. Doing a little something called research is really not that hard to do to debunk claims, T&M.
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** Tropers/{{Codename Bravo}}: Me too. With a title like "You're Getting Old" I was expecting the plot to be more about Stan feeling, well old, rather than (just) depressed about everything. I agree with you about the shit stuff. Had they made the plot about Stan going through something similar to a mid life crisis, it would've been much more funny or at least relatable. Stan turned out to be the oldest from the main boys and he is usually the leader. They could've dove more into it. Not to mention how out of character was for the other three main boys to completely abandon Stan just because he's very grumpy, while still hanging out with fucking Cartman. I can buy Cartman leaving Stan, but the other ones too? Kyle is Stan's best friend. Remember the episode when Kyle needed a new Kidney and Stan did everything in his power to save him? Also, Kenny, Stan saved him from dying in "Super Fun Time" by making "the ultimate sacrifice" (it's not as epic as it sounds, considering it was looking like a fool in front of Wendy, but it was the ultimate sacrifice in Stan's view and he did risk his own life. This episode was just wasted potential.

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** Tropers/{{Codename Bravo}}: Me too. With a title like "You're Getting Old" I was expecting the plot to be more about Stan feeling, well old, rather than (just) depressed about everything. I agree with you about the shit stuff. Had they made the plot about Stan going through something similar to a mid life crisis, it would've been much more funny funnier or at least relatable. Stan turned out to be the oldest from the main boys and he is usually the leader. They could've dove more into it. Not to mention how out of character was for the other three main boys to completely abandon Stan just because he's very grumpy, while still hanging out with fucking Cartman. I can buy Cartman leaving Stan, but the other ones too? Kyle is Stan's best friend. Remember the episode when Kyle needed a new Kidney and Stan did everything in his power to save him? Also, Kenny, Stan saved him from dying in "Super Fun Time" by making "the ultimate sacrifice" (it's not as epic as it sounds, considering it was looking like a fool in front of Wendy, but it was the ultimate sacrifice in Stan's view and he did risk his own life.life). This episode was just wasted potential.
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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creators' apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature 51-year-old adult, he has to throw the main characters' friendship with each other under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.
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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creator's apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature 51-year-old adult, he has to throw the main characters' friendship with each other under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.

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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creator's creators' apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature 51-year-old adult, he has to throw the main characters' friendship with each other under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.
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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creator's apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature 51-year-old adult, he has to throw the main character's friendship under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.

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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creator's apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature 51-year-old adult, he has to throw the main character's characters' friendship with each other under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.
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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creator's apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature adult, he has to throw the main character's friendship under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together and get the main characters back together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.

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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creator's apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature 51-year-old adult, he has to throw the main character's friendship under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together and get the main characters back together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.

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* Branch_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, for the love of all that's holy, please get back on track.


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* Branch_823: I am replacing my previous entry with the Vaccination Special. Why? Because this episode might as well be retitled "Yet Another Episode Where Trey Parker Still Cannot Get Over His Divorce". This is used to break up the Main Four, with Stan, Kyle and Cartman now sharing custody over Kenny--exactly like a divorce. At this point, this show has suffered severe CreatorsApathy since 2014 (not helped with the fact that they claim yet another character in the form of Mrs. Nelson in order for Mr. Garrison to be teacher again, which shows the creator's apathetic treatments towards temporary replacements), and now that Trey still cannot get over his divorce like a mature adult, he has to throw the main character's friendship under the bus. I've had enough of hearing this ever since S23's Halloween special, and if this is the way that Trey feels towards the show now, then maybe he should take a temporary leave of absence from the show until he can really get his shit together and get the main characters back together. Until then, I'm throwing in the towel. I am officially done with this ongoing dumpster fire of a show.
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** Tropers/{{Codename Bravo}}: Me too. With a title like "You're Getting Old" I was expecting the plot to be more about Stan feeling, well old, rather than (just) depressed about everything. I agree with you about the shit stuff. Had they made the plot about Stan going through something similar to a mid life crisis, it would've been much more funny or at least relatable. Stan turned out to be the oldest from the main boys and he is usually the leader. They could've dove more into it. Not to mention how out of character was for the other three main boys to completely abandon Stan just because he's very grumpy, while still hanging out with fucking Cartman. I can buy Cartman leaving Stan, but the other ones too? Kyle is Stan's best friend. Remember the episode when Kyle needed a new Kidney and Stan did everything in his power to save him? Also, Kenny, Stan saved him from dying in "Super Fun Time" by making "the ultimate sacrifice" (it's not as epic as it sounds, considering it was looking like a fool in front of Wendy, but it was the ultimate sacrifice in Stan's view and he did risk his own life. This episode was just wasted potential.
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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with "Timmy 2000" that I don't think most people ever really thought about, aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him--especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" speech that went on about "he made us laugh, and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be 'protected' and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt really not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later, and not to mention how people diagnosed with autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me, this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is, but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved characters, especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just really gets under my skin. In addition, I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that they made Skylar (the same Skylar introduced in "Cat Orgy", who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time--a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl--who even Cartman, of all people, bluntly said "[[EveryoneHasStandards Dude, that's not cool!]]") was made into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that: they took a past character who was a creepy, legit ephebophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself, and yet we're supposed to care for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to hate Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins' music, or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode. There is no way anyone should ever make someone who is a legit ephebophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in "Cartman Joins NAMBLA"! I love your show, Trey and Matt, but seriously, fuck this episode!

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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with "Timmy 2000" that I don't think most people ever really thought about, aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him--especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" speech that went on about "he made us laugh, and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be 'protected' and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt really not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later, and not to mention how people diagnosed with autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me, this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is, but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved characters, especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just really gets under my skin. In addition, I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that they made Skylar (the same Skylar introduced in "Cat Orgy", who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time--a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl--who even Cartman, of all people, bluntly said "[[EveryoneHasStandards Dude, that's not cool!]]") was made into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that: they took a past character who was a creepy, legit ephebophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself, and yet we're supposed to care for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to hate Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins' music, or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode. There is no way anyone should ever make someone who is a legit ephebophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in "Cartman Joins NAMBLA"! I love your show, Trey and Matt, but seriously, fuck this episode!
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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with "Timmy 2000" that I don't think most people ever really thought about, aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him--especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" speech that went on about "he made us laugh, and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be 'protected' and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt really not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later, and not to mention how people diagnosed with autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me, this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is, but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved characters, especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just really gets under my skin. In addition, I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that they made Skylar (the same Skylar introduced in "Cat Orgy", who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time--{{Ephebophile a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl}}--who even Cartman, of all people, bluntly said "[[EveryoneHasStandards Dude, that's not cool!]]") was made into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that: they took a past character who was a creepy, legit ephebophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself, and yet we're supposed to care for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to hate Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins' music, or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode. There is no way anyone should ever make someone who is a legit ephebophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in "Cartman Joins NAMBLA"! I love your show, Trey and Matt, but seriously, fuck this episode!

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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with "Timmy 2000" that I don't think most people ever really thought about, aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him--especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" speech that went on about "he made us laugh, and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be 'protected' and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt really not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later, and not to mention how people diagnosed with autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me, this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is, but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved characters, especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just really gets under my skin. In addition, I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that they made Skylar (the same Skylar introduced in "Cat Orgy", who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time--{{Ephebophile a time--a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl}}--who girl--who even Cartman, of all people, bluntly said "[[EveryoneHasStandards Dude, that's not cool!]]") was made into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that: they took a past character who was a creepy, legit ephebophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself, and yet we're supposed to care for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to hate Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins' music, or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode. There is no way anyone should ever make someone who is a legit ephebophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in "Cartman Joins NAMBLA"! I love your show, Trey and Matt, but seriously, fuck this episode!

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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with Timmy 2000 that I don't think most people ever really thought about aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him, especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" that went on about "he made us laugh and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be "protected" and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt REALLY not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later and not to mention how people diagnosed with Autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved character especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just REALLY gets under my skin.
** In addition, I'm surprised NO ONE has brought up the fact that they made Skylar, the same Skylar introduced in Cat Orgy"[[Recap/SouthParkS3E7CatOrgy]]" who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time, a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl, who even CARTMAN bluntly said "Dude, that's not cool!" Was made into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that, they took a past character who was a creepy, legit pedophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself and yet we're supposed to CARE for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to HATE Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins music or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode, there is NO WAY anyone should ever make someone who is a legit pedophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in Cartman Joins NAMBLA"[[Recap/SouthParkS4E5CartmanJoinsNAMBLA]]"! I love your show Trey and Matt, but seriously, FUCK THIS EPISODE!

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** Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with Timmy 2000 "Timmy 2000" that I don't think most people ever really thought about about, aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him, especially him--especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" speech that went on about "he made us laugh laugh, and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be "protected" 'protected' and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt REALLY really not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just happen. Just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later later, and not to mention how people diagnosed with Autism autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me me, this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is is, but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved character characters, especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just REALLY really gets under my skin.
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skin. In addition, I'm surprised NO ONE no one has brought up the fact that they made Skylar, the Skylar (the same Skylar introduced in Cat Orgy"[[Recap/SouthParkS3E7CatOrgy]]" "Cat Orgy", who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time, time--{{Ephebophile a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl, who girl}}--who even CARTMAN Cartman, of all people, bluntly said "Dude, "[[EveryoneHasStandards Dude, that's not cool!" Was cool!]]") was made into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that, that: they took a past character who was a creepy, legit pedophile ephebophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself himself, and yet we're supposed to CARE care for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to HATE hate Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins music Collins' music, or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode, there episode. There is NO WAY no way anyone should ever make someone who is a legit pedophile ephebophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in Cartman "Cartman Joins NAMBLA"[[Recap/SouthParkS4E5CartmanJoinsNAMBLA]]"! NAMBLA"! I love your show show, Trey and Matt, but seriously, FUCK THIS EPISODE! fuck this episode!
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* Acuto_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, for the love of all that's holy, please get back on track.

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* Acuto_823: Branch_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, for the love of all that's holy, please get back on track.
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**Tropers/{{HSRW101}}: I also have my own issues with Timmy 2000 that I don't think most people ever really thought about aside from the very bitter jabs at Phil Collins. I've always had an issue with how they downplayed Timmy's disability and also about the concern how people would laugh at him, especially in Stan's half-assed "I learned something today" that went on about "he made us laugh and the people that are wrong are the ones that think people like Timmy should be "protected" and kept out of the public's eye. The cool thing about Timmy being in a band was that he was in your face, and you had to deal with him, whether you laughed or cried, or felt nothing." ...Does Trey and Matt REALLY not know how people are still just cruel to people with disabilities? Just because the episode doesn't show that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just look up the awful #Autismchallenge on TikTok years later and not to mention how people diagnosed with Autism have been shot down and killed by police. For me this one just showed how not only how dated this episode is but how ignorant it is. I'm glad that characters with disabilities in the show like Timmy and Jimmy are beloved character especially by those who are disabled themselves, but this episode's handling of that topic back then just REALLY gets under my skin.
**In addition, I'm surprised NO ONE has brought up the fact that they made Skylar, the same Skylar introduced in Cat Orgy"[[Recap/SouthParkS3E7CatOrgy]]" who was presented as being a creepy aggressive asshole who was dating Shelly at the time, a 22-year-old man dating a 12-year-old girl, who even CARTMAN bluntly said "Dude, that's not cool!" Was made into a sympathetic character just to make Phil Collins look like the bigger asshole out of their own bitterness. Let me repeat that, they took a past character who was a creepy, legit pedophile dating someone 10 years younger than himself and yet we're supposed to CARE for him? Did Trey and Matt's juvenile bitterness make them forget that we're supposed to HATE Skylar for the right reasons?! I don't care if anyone don't care for Phil Collins music or if they do like that one song they only ever sing in the episode, there is NO WAY anyone should ever make someone who is a legit pedophile sympathetic, which ironically this was called out two episodes later in Cartman Joins NAMBLA"[[Recap/SouthParkS4E5CartmanJoinsNAMBLA]]"! I love your show Trey and Matt, but seriously, FUCK THIS EPISODE!

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* Tropers/SgtFrog1: When Kyle lampshades the fact that every adult in South Park is TooDumbToLive (His exact words were "Agh, the adults here are just as dumb as the ones back home!") in "[[Recap/SouthParkS11E7NightOfTheLivingHomeless Night of the Living Homeless]]" is a DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck for the adults. The plot of the episode itself is rather nonsensical, especially having NoEnding. (The episode ends by the kids building a bus with a giant stereo system, blasting music to lead all the homeless to California...where the homeless will be somebody else's problem.)

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* Tropers/SgtFrog1: When Kyle lampshades the fact that every adult in South Park is TooDumbToLive (His exact words were "Agh, the adults here are just as dumb as the ones back home!") in "[[Recap/SouthParkS11E7NightOfTheLivingHomeless Night of the Living Homeless]]" is a DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck Dethroning Moment of Suck for the adults. The plot of the episode itself is rather nonsensical, especially having NoEnding. (The episode ends by the kids building a bus with a giant stereo system, blasting music to lead all the homeless to California...where the homeless will be somebody else's problem.)



** Tropers/{{MadMan400096}}: I originally thought of the ending to "Ass Burgers" as the show's low point for its AssPull nature and insulting attitude towards, change, but when I think about it, "Jewpacabra", the last of the first four Season 16 episodes, in which [[SeasonalRot I considered the once-amazing show to be going downhill]]. The episode's clearly trying to make us feel bad for Cartman by having him tortured, but considering the countless horrible deeds he's done over the years (making Scott Tenorman eat [[IAmAHumanitarian chili made out of his parents]], [[DidYouJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu ordering around fucking Cthulhu to do his bidding]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking convincing special needs students to cheat while ragging on Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots]]), that's really the dumbest thing to do. But it's made worse with the ending, where Cartman, a proven anti-Semite, converts to Judaism. Let me explain why this make me want to puke. What makes Cartman such a great character is his gleeful {{Jerkass}} nature, while still getting [[LaserGuidedKarma screwed over]]. Take that away and he's just a regular asshole. Also, antisemitism is one of Cartman's defining traits, and something like this bullshit falls nothing short of CharacterDerailment. The only good thing I can say about this episode (which even for ''South Park'' was all around unpleasant) was that it thankfully didn't stick. Matt and Trey must have known they were fixing what wasn't broken (per se, anyway), and in later episodes, he's back to being the dick we all LoveToHate.

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** Tropers/{{MadMan400096}}: I originally thought of the ending to "Ass Burgers" as the show's low point for its AssPull nature and insulting attitude towards, change, but when I think about it, "Jewpacabra", the last of the first four Season 16 episodes, in which [[SeasonalRot I considered the once-amazing show to be going downhill]]. The episode's clearly trying to make us feel bad for Cartman by having him tortured, but considering the countless horrible deeds he's done over the years (making Scott Tenorman eat [[IAmAHumanitarian chili made out of his parents]], [[DidYouJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu ordering around fucking Cthulhu to do his bidding]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking convincing special needs students to cheat while ragging on Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots]]), that's really the dumbest thing to do. But it's made worse with the ending, where Cartman, a proven anti-Semite, converts to Judaism. Let me explain why this make me want to puke. What makes Cartman such a great character is his gleeful {{Jerkass}} nature, while still getting [[LaserGuidedKarma screwed over]]. Take that away and he's just a regular asshole. Also, antisemitism is one of Cartman's defining traits, and something like this bullshit falls nothing short of CharacterDerailment.traits. The only good thing I can say about this episode (which even for ''South Park'' was all around unpleasant) was that it thankfully didn't stick. Matt and Trey must have known they were fixing what wasn't broken (per se, anyway), and in later episodes, he's back to being the dick we all LoveToHate.



*** Tropers/{{MrJeperson}}: Fourthed on "Ginger Cow". I am sick and tired of Cartman becoming the ultimate KarmaHoudini. I am also sick and tired of his casual abuse of poor Kyle. I have an increasing worry that Cartman is the writers' MarySue - they are never going to allow him to be seen as wrong by everybody else, let alone punished for his sheer deliberate douchiness, ever again.

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*** Tropers/{{MrJeperson}}: Fourthed on "Ginger Cow". I am sick and tired of Cartman becoming the ultimate KarmaHoudini. I am also sick and tired of his casual abuse of poor Kyle. I have an increasing worry that Cartman is the writers' MarySue - they writers are never going to allow him Cartman to be seen as wrong by everybody else, let alone punished for his sheer deliberate douchiness, ever again.



* Tropers/ {{Mhj0808}}: I'm not loving how Stan and Kyle have been acting in the first two episodes of Season 20. You know, how they're joining everybody else in treating the social media stuff as SeriousBusiness. Sure, the boys treating mundane things as serious business is a ''South Park'' staple, but... maybe it's just me, but the inherent and un-ironic pettiness of social media is normally the type of thing they'd rip apart in the past rather than take seriously. The whole thing feels like a minor form of CharacterDerailment for both of them. Compare Stan's attitude toward Facebook from the 2010 episode "[[Recap/SouthParkS14E4YouHave0Friends You Have 0 Friends]]" to how he acts in 2016's "[[Recap/SouthParkS20E2SkankHunt Skank Hunt]]" and you'll see what I mean.

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* Tropers/ {{Mhj0808}}: I'm not loving how Stan and Kyle have been acting in the first two episodes of Season 20. You know, how they're joining everybody else in treating the social media stuff as SeriousBusiness. Sure, the boys treating mundane things as serious business is a ''South Park'' staple, but... maybe it's just me, but the inherent and un-ironic pettiness of social media is normally the type of thing they'd rip apart in the past rather than take seriously. The whole thing feels like a minor form of CharacterDerailment for both of them. Compare Stan's attitude toward Facebook from the 2010 episode "[[Recap/SouthParkS14E4YouHave0Friends You Have 0 Friends]]" to how he acts in 2016's "[[Recap/SouthParkS20E2SkankHunt Skank Hunt]]" and you'll see what I mean.
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* Tropers/YoungPrincessZelda: "Dead Kids" where Stan is shot, and his parents don't give a shit. Randy acts like a piece of shit in this episode, and many people have voiced their complaint of him hogging the show like Brian and Stewie or Peter in Family Guy, so I'm not going to spend much time bitching about him.
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* Tropers/WhiteRoseSamurai: I can't stand the way Butters' parents treat him. For example, in the Ungroundable, Stephen flies into a rage just because Butters accidentally left some food where it didn't belong, then starts flinging food all over the kitchen floor and screaming at Butters to clean it up. All without giving Butters a chance to even explain himself. That whole scene was exactly like a bad experience I had with my stepdad, where I did something I didn't mean to do and he just flew off the handle and started screaming at me like I was the most ungrateful brat on the planet, and kept threatening to knock me out every time I opened my mouth. If this show were even ''remotely'' realistic, Butters would have gone to a foster home a long time ago. Hell, half the kids on the show would have been taken away from their parents by now. Randy, in particular, should be in fucking jail.

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* Tropers/WhiteRoseSamurai: I can't stand the way Butters' parents treat him. For example, in the Ungroundable, "The Ungroundable", Stephen flies into a rage just because Butters accidentally left some food where it didn't belong, then starts flinging food all over the kitchen floor and screaming at Butters to clean it up. All without giving Butters a chance to even explain himself. That whole scene was exactly like a bad experience I had with my stepdad, stepfather, where I did something I didn't mean to do and he just flew off the handle and handle, started screaming at me like I was the most ungrateful brat on the planet, and kept threatening to knock me out every time I opened my mouth. If this show were even ''remotely'' realistic, Butters would have gone to a foster home a '''''a long time ago.ago'''''. Hell, half the kids on the show would have been taken away from their parents by now. Randy, in particular, should be in fucking jail.
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* Agudo_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, for the love of all that's holy, please get back on track.

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* Agudo_823: Acuto_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, for the love of all that's holy, please get back on track.
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* SizzlyBacon: I just got done watching "[[Recap/SouthParkS14E9ItsAJerseyThing It's a Jersey Thing]]" and I was really enjoying the episode (keep in mind, I personally dislike ''Series/JerseyShore'' despite the fact that many people I know, including my sister, watch it), it was one of the funniest episodes I've ever seen. But near the end, I just completely lost my smile that I got from the episode when Al-Qaeda (South Park was trying to find people to stop the invasion of New Jersey... long story short, they turned to Al-Qaeda) came in with [[TooSoon American Airlines planes and crashed into the ground]] right as a bunch of Jersey-ites were invading. Earlier in the episode, someone said that the tragedies of 9/11 would be funny in 10 months, but I had no problem with that. And in the end, they congratulated UsefulNotes/OsamaBinLaden for this act? (At least before he gets killed, anyway.) Well, at least most of the episode was good.

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* SizzlyBacon: I just got done watching "[[Recap/SouthParkS14E9ItsAJerseyThing It's a Jersey Thing]]" and I was really enjoying the episode (keep in mind, I personally dislike ''Series/JerseyShore'' despite the fact that many people I know, including my sister, watch it), it was one of the funniest episodes I've ever seen. But near the end, I just completely lost my smile that I got from the episode when Al-Qaeda (South Park was trying to find people to stop the invasion of New Jersey... long story short, they turned to Al-Qaeda) came in with [[TooSoon American Airlines planes and crashed into the ground]] ground right as a bunch of Jersey-ites were invading. Earlier in the episode, someone said that the tragedies of 9/11 would be funny in 10 months, but I had no problem with that. And in the end, they congratulated UsefulNotes/OsamaBinLaden for this act? (At least before he gets killed, anyway.) Well, at least most of the episode was good.
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* Agudo_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, I hope you two get your shit together and make the rest of the seasons great again.

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* Agudo_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, I hope you two for the love of all that's holy, please get your shit together and make the rest of the seasons great again.back on track.
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* Mushetti: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, I hope you two get your shit together and make the rest of the seasons great again.

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* Mushetti: Agudo_823: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, I hope you two get your shit together and make the rest of the seasons great again.
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* Tropers/SirPsychoSexy: "[[Recap/SouthParkS12E5EekAPenis Eek, A Penis!]]" So SO many UnfortunateImplications and {{Family Unfriendly Aesop}}s ("you'll never be a real man/woman, so why try?") Plus Trey and Matt [[WriterOnBoard seem to have a thinly veiled contempt for]] {{Transgender}} people.

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* Tropers/SirPsychoSexy: "[[Recap/SouthParkS12E5EekAPenis Eek, A Penis!]]" So SO many UnfortunateImplications and {{Family Unfriendly Aesop}}s ("you'll never be a real man/woman, so why try?") Plus Trey and Matt [[WriterOnBoard seem to have a thinly veiled contempt for]] {{Transgender}} people.
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* LooneyLuver: For me, "[[Recap/SouthParkS5E6Cartmanland Cartmanland]]" was really Kyle's worst moment. Now, yes, I realize many shows NegativeContinuity for humor, but in a series with Satan, God, and Jesus all hanging around like nobodies business, it seemed pathetically stupid and [[{{Wangst}} whiny]] of Kyle to bitch that God can't exist because Cartman gets a million dollars. Then he gets a haemorrhoid and complains more, and his parents read him the story of Job to help renew his faith, but they forget (like a lot of people seem to do) that the story ends on a high note with Job being rewarded twice over for his faith. Oh, and in the last 30 seconds, Kyle's faith is renewed because Cartman gets screwed over. Yep, apparently you know [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop God exists when bad things happen to people you don't like]].

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* LooneyLuver: For me, "[[Recap/SouthParkS5E6Cartmanland Cartmanland]]" was really Kyle's worst moment. Now, yes, I realize many shows NegativeContinuity for humor, but in a series with Satan, God, and Jesus all hanging around like nobodies business, it seemed pathetically stupid and [[{{Wangst}} whiny]] of Kyle to bitch that God can't exist because Cartman gets a million dollars. Then he gets a haemorrhoid and complains more, and his parents read him the story of Job to help renew his faith, but they forget (like a lot of people seem to do) that the story ends on a high note with Job being rewarded twice over for his faith. Oh, and in the last 30 seconds, Kyle's faith is renewed because Cartman gets screwed over. Yep, apparently you know [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop God exists when bad things happen to people you don't like]].like.



* Tropers/InfinityLeague: "Safe Space" is, without question, the worst ''South Park'' episode I have ever seen. There were bad episodes before this one, and there were good episodes after it, but it really marked a turning point for the series that made me stop watching after years of loyal viewership. Now, this episode came smack in the middle of [[TheWarOnStraw the prolonged anti-liberal circle-jerk that was Season 19, in which the writers used every strawman and stereotype they could to depict progressives and Millennials as genuinely evil and insane]] [[labelnote:Note]]Not helped by how, in the next season, they portrayed the alt-right as a bunch of harmless idiots motivated by overzealous nostalgia for pop culture from the '80s and '90s[[/labelnote]], and nowhere is this more obvious than in "Safe Space." Why do I despise it so much, you may ask? Well, to put it simply, this episode is pro-cyberbullying. I'm dead serious. The episode, in an attempt to deal with the whole "safe space" manufactroversy, goes out of its way to portray anti-bullying activists as a group of thin-skinned crybabies before a character [[SarcasmMode subtly]] named "Reality" [[AuthorTract gets up on a soapbox and evangelizes us, the viewers, that the real world is supposed to suck, and that telling people not to be assholes is wrong]]. [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop He tells us that cyberbullying is just constructive criticism with a sense of humor, and that anyone who tries to speak out against it is just an egotistical whiner who can't take a joke]]. It seems Parker and Stone realized the UnfortunateImplications of what they were saying, and made the trolling subplot in Season 20 as a sort of AuthorsSavingThrow, but I'm sorry, guys. [[ThisIsUnforgivable The damage is done]].

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* Tropers/InfinityLeague: "Safe Space" is, without question, the worst ''South Park'' episode I have ever seen. There were bad episodes before this one, and there were good episodes after it, but it really marked a turning point for the series that made me stop watching after years of loyal viewership. Now, this episode came smack in the middle of [[TheWarOnStraw the prolonged anti-liberal circle-jerk that was Season 19, in which the writers used every strawman and stereotype they could to depict progressives and Millennials as genuinely evil and insane]] [[labelnote:Note]]Not helped by how, in the next season, they portrayed the alt-right as a bunch of harmless idiots motivated by overzealous nostalgia for pop culture from the '80s and '90s[[/labelnote]], and nowhere is this more obvious than in "Safe Space." Why do I despise it so much, you may ask? Well, to put it simply, this episode is pro-cyberbullying. I'm dead serious. The episode, in an attempt to deal with the whole "safe space" manufactroversy, goes out of its way to portray anti-bullying activists as a group of thin-skinned crybabies before a character [[SarcasmMode subtly]] named "Reality" [[AuthorTract gets up on a soapbox and evangelizes us, the viewers, that the real world is supposed to suck, and that telling people not to be assholes is wrong]]. [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop He tells us that cyberbullying is just constructive criticism with a sense of humor, and that anyone who tries to speak out against it is just an egotistical whiner who can't take a joke]].joke. It seems Parker and Stone realized the UnfortunateImplications of what they were saying, and made the trolling subplot in Season 20 as a sort of AuthorsSavingThrow, but I'm sorry, guys. [[ThisIsUnforgivable The damage is done]].
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* Alex Mushroom: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, I hope you two get your shit together and make the rest of the seasons great again.

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* Alex Mushroom: Mushetti: Season 23 has become a shit season so far, and its peak moment is "Season Finale". Randy finally gets imprisoned for all the shit that he has done this season, and what happens at the end? He gets all charges against him dropped and he is freed. Why? Because a Mexican kid that the Whites adopted and forced to be like them against his will turned into the Mexican Joker and has started wreaking havoc. And the Whites end up exonerating Randy. This entire season I've become increasingly angry because Trey and Matt has had it apparent that they no longer care about the show anymore. All they want to do now is derail, send off and kill off their characters--with Jason White being their latest victim. All they want to do is take all focus off of the main characters of the show (Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny and Butters) and focus entirely on Randy, their ever-so-beloved CreatorsPet. The two are getting older, therefore, they're relating to him. And the fact that Trey Parker had suffered a second divorce, leading him to work that in the previous week's Halloween Special, further illustrates my points. Trey and Matt, I hope you two get your shit together and make the rest of the seasons great again.

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