History DethroningMoment / DCComics

** Ignoring the fact that the niece was StuffedIntoTheFridge to give Ollie and Jefferson angst, Ollie's affair was also a major problem from a continuity standpoint as it was impossible for Black Lightning to HAVE a niece, since he had been prominently established as an only child in his origin story. (Winick also gave Black Lightning a daughter in defiance of the wishes of ''Creator/TonyIsabella'', who contended that Jefferson would never have gotten a divorce or risked his life as a superhero if it would risk leaving his children as orphans.)

** Ignoring the fact that the niece was StuffedIntoTheFridge to give Ollie and Jefferson angst, Ollie's affair was also a major problem from a continuity standpoint as it was impossible for Black Lightning to HAVE a niece, since he had been prominently established as an only child in his origin story. (Winick also gave Black Lightning a daughter in defiance of the wishes of ''Creator/Tony Isabella'', who contended that Jefferson would never have gotten a divorce or risked his life as a superhero if it would risk leaving his children as orphans.)

** The story arc found Green Arrow having a one-night stand with Jefferson Pierce's niece, before she was killed by the villain of the storyline. This was used to set up a slow weakening of Green Arrow's relationship with ''ComicBook/BlackCanary'' because Winick thought Oliver was more interesting as "a horndog who chases skirts and can't stay faithful." This ignored that Oliver Queen's past characterization while dating Black Canary had been that of a CrazyJealousGuy who didn't like other men making eyes at his "Pretty Bird" rather than a HandsomeLech. It also ignored the work ''Creator/KevinSmith'' had done in making Oliver Queen grown up after he came back from the dead and the fact that the previous arc ended with Black Canary rejecting Green Arrow's marriage proposal and saying she thought they were going too fast, with dialogue suggesting they weren't dating exclusively.
** Ignoring the fact that the niece was StuffedIntoTheFridge to give Ollie and Jefferson angst, Ollie's affair was also a major problem from a continuity standpoint as it was impossible for Black Lightning to HAVE a niece, since he had been prominently established as an only child in his origin story.

* Tropers/{{Arrowhead}} ''Straight Shooter,'' the first arc of ''Creator/JuddWinick'''s ''ComicBook/GreenArrow'' run not only destroyed the character of Oliver Queen but also the character of ''ComicBook/Black Lightning.''

* Tropers/{{baeraad555}}: I cancelled a ten-year-long subscription of Wonder Woman after the ''Afterworlds'' arc. Funnily enough, the straw that broke the camel's back was the issue with Earth-11 and [[TestosteronePoisoning Wonder Man.]] Given that Wonder Man originated in [[ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis a bad series]] as a reference to [[ComicBook/AmazonsAttack another bad series,]] you'd think I wouldn't care what they did with the character, but... there was just something uniquely annoying about Siggy quipping that [=WM=]'s [=MRA=]-ish rhetoric was [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory old even in his time.]] Uhm, no? I'm pretty sure no one complained about women running everything back in the early middle ages. Also, WM [[StrawmanHasAPoint actually has a point,]] since he comes from [[LadyLand a gender-flipped world where presumably all the crooked, powerful men Diana deals with in Earth-1 are crooked, powerful women instead.]] While [[JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope his approach of running in and smashing things would mark him as a supervillain,]] he should be of the WellIntentionedExtremist kind and Diana should be giving him a stern lecture about how she sympathises with his cause of "bringing down the matriarchy" but he's going about it the wrong way. But no, apparently that's far too much nuance in this day and age and only a [[StrawMisogynist rampaging misogynist]] could have a problem with women being in charge of everything.

* Tropers/{{I Like Robots}}: Jonathan Kent's sudden and hackneyed PlotRelevantAgeUp. So after some weird, nigh-nonsensical time-space shenanigans, Jon is suddenly 17 years old and leaves his mother, father and the ''entire present day'' to stay with the Legion of Super-Heroes in the 31st Century, thus cutting short the fun and interesting development of watching a cheerful young boy growing up, getting used to his powers and learning how to be a hero. Not to mention, it abruptly robs Clark and Lois of an interesting character arc of learning how best to train and guide their son, Damian Wayne of an interesting character arc of mentoring Jon, growing alongside him and becoming more sociable, and the audience of one of the most wholesome and endearing characters of the DC Universe. I have no interest in reading ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' and I don't care if this is a MythologyGag, what happened to the plucky boy who was excited to join the Teen Titans when he turned 13? The upbeat boy who was Damian's {{foil}}, [[HeterosexualLifePartners best friend and partner?]] Sure, Jon Kent was going to grow up and become a teenager ''eventually'', but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Bendis pulling a sudden mystical age up reeks of laziness and impatience.]] You wanna know why Dick Grayson's transition from Robin to Nightwing was so well-received, and why no one demands that Dick Grayson return to the mantle of Robin? Because his CharacterDevelopment was well done and felt natural, and we actually got to see him grow up over decades of stories. Not to mention, teenage Jon is redundant, since we ''already have'' a teenage Superboy in the 'verse: ''Conner Kent''. Thank God for ''ComicBook/AdventuresOfTheSuperSons,'' but I'm desperately hoping that something retcons this idiocy soon.

* Tropers/{{I Like Robots}}: I'm withdrawing my previous entry about the New 52's Amazons rewrite in favor of Jonathan Kent's sudden and hackneyed PlotRelevantAgeUp. So after some weird, nigh-nonsensical time-space shenanigans, Jon is suddenly 17 years old and leaves his mother, father and the ''entire present day'' to stay with the Legion of Super-Heroes in the 32nd Century, thus cutting short the fun and interesting development of watching a cheerful young boy growing up, getting used to his powers and learning how to be a hero. Not to mention, it abruptly robs Clark and Lois of an interesting character arc of learning how best to train and guide their son, and the audience of one of the most wholesome and endearing characters of the DC Universe. I have no interest in reading ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' and I don't care if this is a MythologyGag, what happened to the plucky boy who was excited to join the Teen Titans when he turned 13? The upbeat boy who was Damian Wayne's {{foil}}, [[HeterosexualLifePartners best friend and partner?]] Sure, Jon Kent was always going to grow up and become Superman ''eventually'', but Bendis pulling a sudden mystical age up reeks of laziness and impatience. You wanna know why Dick Grayson's transition from Robin to Nightwing was so well-received, and why no one demands that Dick Grayson return to the mantle of Robin? Because his CharacterDevelopment was well done and felt natural, and we actually got to see him grow up over the years. Not to mention, teenage Jon is redundant, since we ''already have'' a teenage Superboy in the 'verse: ''Conner Kent''. Thank God for ''ComicBook/AdventuresOfTheSuperSons,'' but I'm hoping desperately that something retcons this idiocy soon.

* Tropers/{{I Like Robots}}: Speaking of New 52 Wonder Woman, the rewritten Amazons is one of the lowest points of the reboot. What was once a peaceful, enlightened but stalwart society of warrior women who venerated the Greek Goddesses, in isolation from our world due to [[SlaveRace abuses of the past]], is [[DarkerAndEdgier a group of violent pirates and rapists who murder men]], and trade the lives of all of the boys they have for more weapons? Uh, sure, the original Amazons weren't given the most flattering portrayal in mythology[[note]]notwithstanding the fact that the Greek men who wrote down these stories were pretty misogynist as was common during their time[[/note]], but to me this seems like slapping every anti-feminist stereotype onto what used to essentially be a feminist utopia. Welp, at least [[Film/WonderWoman2017 the film]] used the previous Amazons, even if Diana is still the daughter of Zeus, and ''{{ComicBook/DC Rebirth}}'' [[CharacterRerailment mostly returned them to form.]]
* Tropers/{{Molly_Hats}}: The ComicBook/New52’s erasure of the Batgirl legacy. It got rid of one of the best DisabledBadass heroes in media and derailed Barbara Gordon from a mature, intelligent, and effective leader and mentor into a generic teen heroine. It wiped out Stephanie and Cassandra (which was only rectified—and then only partially—in ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal). It erased the good that came of ComicBook/TheKillingJoke while keeping the horrific decisions that book made. In short, DC took a badass disabled team leader and mentor figure who led [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey a non-contrived all-female team]], mentored several vulnerable teen heroines better than Batman ever could, and generally showed growth, maturity, and a heroic resolve, into an immature teenager who likes selfies and is fully able bodied. (Because “what kind of stupid superhero goes around in a wheelchair,”[[note]]as Wendy Harris once very bitterly said in Steph’s Batgirl run [[/note]]amirite?)

* Tropers/{{I Like Robots}}: Speaking of New 52 Wonder Woman, the rewritten Amazons is one of the lowest points of the reboot. What was once a peaceful, enlightened but stalwart society of warrior women who venerated the Greek Goddesses, in isolation from our world due to [[SlaveRace abuses of the past]], is [[DarkerAndEdgier a group of violent pirates and rapists who murder men]], and trade the lives of all of the boys they have for more weapons? Uh, sure, the original Amazons weren't given the most flattering portrayal in mythology[[note]]notwithstanding the fact that the Greek men who wrote down these stories were pretty misogynist as was common during their time[[/note]], but to me this seems like slapping every anti-feminist stereotype onto what used to essentially be a feminist utopia. Welp, at least [[Film/WonderWoman the film]] used the previous Amazons, even if Diana is still the daughter of Zeus, and ''{{ComicBook/DC Rebirth}}'' [[CharacterRerailment mostly returned them to form.]]

* Tropers/{{I Like Robots}}: Speaking of New 52 Wonder Woman, the rewritten Amazons is one of the lowest points of the reboot. What was once a peaceful, enlightened but stalwart society of warrior women who venerated the Greek Goddesses, in isolation from our world due to [[MadeASlave abuses of the past]], is [[DarkerAndEdgier a group of violent pirates and rapists who murder men]], and trade the lives of all of the boys they have for more weapons? Uh, sure, the original Amazons weren't given the most flattering portrayal in mythology[[note]]notwithstanding the fact that the Greek men that wrote these legends were pretty misogynist as was common during their time[[/note]], but to me this seems like slapping every anti-feminist stereotype onto what used to essentially be a feminist utopia. Welp, at least [[Film/WonderWoman the film]] used the previous Amazons, even if Diana is still the daughter of Zeus.

* Tropers/Molly_Hats: The ComicBook/New52’s erasure of the Batgirl legacy. It got rid of one of the best DisabledBadass heroes in media and derailed Barbara Gordon from a mature, intelligent, and effective leader and mentor into a generic teen heroine. It wiped out Stephanie and Cassandra (which was only rectified—and then only partially—in ComicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal). It erased the good that came of ComicBook/TheKillingJoke while keeping the horrific decisions that book made. In short, DC took a badass disabled team leader and mentor figure who led [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey a non-contrived all-female team]], mentored several vulnerable teen heroines better than Batman ever could, and generally showed growth, maturity, and a heroic resolve, into an immature teenager who likes selfies and is fully able bodied. (Because “what kind of stupid superhero goes around in a wheelchair,”[[note]]as Wendy Harris once very bitterly said in Steph’s Batgirl run [[/note]]amirite?)

* Tropes/{{tafelshrew}}: Wonder Woman as the daughter of Zeus. Pretty much everything about her ComicBook/New52 origin was bad, but this pretty much gets to the heart of it. It replaced a feminist reinterpretation of Pandora's creation involving the cooperation of the major goddesses [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Hermes]] which is thematically perfect for Wonder Woman with her [[LineageComesFromTheFather inheriting all her powers]] [[NeverASelfMadeWoman from a male god,]] and making half her involvement in the plot revolve around Zeus being her father. What's worse is that if this had been the story of a random Amazon demigoddess, it wouldn't have been so bad - it just screwed up Wonder Woman.

* {{Tropes/Asger}}: To be honest I wish I could count the entire New52 idea thing DC's doing as a dethroning moment of suck, but if I had to be specific I'd say the idea of hooking up Superman and WonderWoman is the ultimate low-point. I mean seriously, the characters of Clark Kent and Diana Prince are so far apart from each other in terms of personality it's not even funny, a relationship between the two would barely last a month. Clark is a nice guy farm boy, and Diana is a warrior princess. Yet here they are, being touted as the new power couple to grab attention. In elseworlds stories the thing that annoys me most it's when the writers throw Lois Lane off a bridge just for this stupid pairing, and now the morons at DC just went and made it canon. Nice going DC, keep on grabbing plot ideas from 15 year old girls.
* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: [[Comicbook/TheFlash Wally West]] finally makes his ComicBook/{{New 52}} debut. Quite possibly the most anticipated (let alone requested) debut in DC since it started. What we got is basically [[AngryBlackMan a black kid who already has a criminal record]] (and yes, I said kid, as he's no longer a young adult like [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]]) with neither of his parents anywhere in sight. So not only has Wally been retconned out of his own generation, but now he's more or less a stereotypical black kid who grew up in the 'hood! UnfortunateImplications doesn't even begin to describe this. I'm really hoping that the New52 is going to have their own [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] and soon. The sooner we can get rid of this walking stereotype and get the real Wally West back, the better.

* Tropers/{{Ilya_Rysenkov}}: I'm not a great fan of a New52 reboot in general. I prefer movies and games in this universe, and though I seldom read comics, I stay on touch with latest events, more or less. So when I heard that Lois Lane revealed Superman's identity to the world, breaking his life and making him fugitive, I was upset, to put it mildly. What's worse is that she isn't sorry about that. Really, DC? Bringing Superman's wife and primary love interest (not here, though, which is bad too) to do such a deed is a low blow to me.
* Tropes/{{tafelshrew}}: Wonder Woman as the daughter of Zeus. Pretty much everything about her New52 origin was bad, but this pretty much gets to the heart of it. It replaced a feminist reinterpretation of Pandora's creation involving the cooperation of the major goddesses [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Hermes]] which is thematically perfect for Wonder Woman with her [[LineageComesFromTheFather inheriting all her powers]] [[NeverASelfMadeWoman from a male god,]] and making half her involvement in the plot revolve around Zeus being her father. What's worse is that if this had been the story of a random Amazon demigoddess, it wouldn't have been so bad - it just screwed up Wonder Woman.

* Tropers/AnotherGuy: ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack''. William Marston was probably not only rolling around in his grave, he was rotating at the speed of a pulsar.

* Little Red Hen: The Green Lantern story arc, ''Emerald Twilight'', in which the higher ups at DC & the Green Lantern editors outright tried to assassinate one of their oldest characters, Hal Jordan by making him evil to shock readers after the end of the status quo shakeups of "Death of Superman" and "Knightfall". And it wasn't that they ''just'' tried to get rid of Hal, but also all the Green Lantern Corps for one new guy. The true moment of suck, however, comes when reading the editor's columns in those #50, where they outright admitted they were doing it all because they thought Hal Jordan was "boring" and "it was too hard to tell stories about him". Give Geoff Johns some credit, he managed to prove that those editors & writers were just lazy.

** There was only one film based on the New52, ''Justice League: War''. And it was ''awful''.

* Tropers/AnotherGuy: ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack''. William Marston was probably not only rolling around in his grave, he was rotating at the speed of a pulsar.

Even Creator/DCComics has its fair share of that moments deserve to be [[CosmicRetcon removed from history]] by [[{{God}} The Presence]]. [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentofSuck These instances]] are some of them.

* Tropers/{{Ilya_Rysenkov}}: I'm not a great fan of a New52 reboot in general. I prefer movies and games in this universe, and though I seldom read comics, I stay on touch with latest events, more or less. So when I heard that Lois Lane revealed Superman's identity to the world, breaking his life and making him fugitive, I was upset, to put it mildly. What's worse is that she isn't sorry about that. Really, DC? Bringing Superman's wife and primary love interest (not here, though, which is bad too) to do such a deed is a low blow to me.

* Tropers/{{Ilya_Rysenkov}}: I'm not a great fan of a New52 reboot in general. I prefer movies and games in this universe, and though I seldom read comics, I stay on touch with latest events, more or less. So when I heard that Lois Lane revealed Superman's identity to the world, breaking his life and making him fugitive, I was upset, to put it mildly. What's worse is that she isn't sorry. Really, DC? Bringing Superman's wife and primary love interest to do such deed is a low blow to me.

* Tropers/{{caivu}}: ''ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}'' went into a severe nosedive with the change in creative teams after issue #24. It was bad enough that [[ExecutiveMeddling Kate and Maggie were no longer allowed to get married]], but the problems became compounded with worse writing, worse art, and Batwoman undergoing significant BadassDecay at the hands of sub-par villains. None of these are the Dethroning Moment though, only lead-ups. The real [=DMoS=] came when Kate got hypnotized and sexually assaulted (if not outright raped) by Nocturna, and was then implied to be Nocturna's ongoing sex slave. For... no real reason at all. Ugh, so very gross. Way to completely trash such a good series and nerf such a strong and interesting character, DC.

* Tropers/{{caivu}}: ''ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}'' went into a severe nosedive with the change in creative teams after issue #24. It was bad enough that [[ExecutiveMeddling Kate and Maggie were no longer allowed to get married]], but the problems became compounded with worse writing, worse art, and Batwoman undergoing significant BadassDecay at the hands of sub-par villains. None of these are the Dethroning Moment though, only lead-ups. The real [=DMoS=] came when Kate got hypnotized and sexually assaulted (if not outright raped) by Nocturna, and was then implied to be Noctura's ongoing sex slave. For... no real reason at all. Ugh, so very gross. Way to completely trash such a good series and nerf such a strong and interesting character, DC.

* TimeTravelerJessica: the last page of the New 52's ''ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} #1'' has proven to be very controversial, and not just because it depicts Batman and Catwoman going at it in a scene that would look more at home in ''ComicBook/TarotWitchOfTheBlackRose'', but because in the process of undoing Selina knowing Bruce's identity they now have the two of them engaging in semi-anonymous sex with each other without even bothering to take off most their costumes, throwing out years of UST and CharacterDevelopment. This is a perfect example of giving fans exactly what they wanted, and yet judging by the reactions of many Bruce/Selina shippers, no-one wanted it like this. Not to mention Bruce's consent is pretty nebulous.

** @/{{STFilmmaker}}: What about Zatanna [[spoiler: Mind wiping Doctor Light making him the goofball we know. Then mind wiping Batman based on his objection of the first mindwipe?]] This was made after the New Teen Titans, where among most things, Zatanna pretty much called Raven out for doing a similar thing to Kid Flash, which promptly turned the team against her prior to Trigon's first arrival.

** Tropers/DrZulu2010: Speaking of ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' I have to mention [[spoiler: Firestorm's]] death for many reasons. 1. He barely appeared in the comic, so it comes as super cheap. 2. He dies pierced by a sword and has to flee before he explodes because "this is what happens when a nuclear reactor is punctured." No, [[https://www.whiterose.org/howlingcurmudgeons/archives/006974.html this]] is what truly happened when a nuclear reactor is punctured. And even if we have to believe it, that would not happened in [[spoiler: Firestorm's]] case because he is not a nuclear reactor. He has nuclear-related powers and he is not corporeal. And 3. It's just another one of DC's trademark cheap deaths for the sake of it and because they need to introduce a new character, only to bring him back later making the thing pointless in the end.

* k9feline5: I was a fan of Creator/DCComics for about 20 years, from 1985-2005. My all-time favorite series was ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', and my favorite character from that series was ComicBook/BlueBeetle (Ted Kord) (many of you can now probably guess where I'm going here with this). The issue that made me quit DC altogether was ''Countdown To ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. There's nothing about this worthless, poorly written piece of crap that I don't despise. There's the superheroes [[IdiotBall who don't try very hard to investigate the theft of 100 pounds of kryptonite because a lowly "second stringer" called it in]], the snotty, dismissive attitude of most of these [[DesignatedHero "heroes"]] towards Ted, the fact that the only heroes who treat Ted with any modicum of respect barely knew him while the ones he had a history with are the snottiest of the bunch, the way Ted gives internal monologues about [[InformedAbility how "awesome" these heroes are at the same time they're treating him like crap]] making Ted look like a masochist so even Ted doesn't look good here (no, [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], this isn't even faintly the "greatest Ted Kord story ever told"), his pointless death, the fact he's getting killed by his old JLI friend Maxwell Lord (not that you could tell they were ever friends from this issue), and the way Max reveals he's been EvilAllAlong, which contradicts words, deeds, and even thoughts recorded of Max in those JLI issues. But there's one moment that's worse than all of this, that's a {=DMoS=} for me not only for this issue, but for the entire DCU, a moment so bad it made me say ScrewThisImOuttaHere on a hobby I'd had for 20 years. It's where Max [[RetCon "reveals"]] that as part of his EvilPlan he'd been "Keeping the League ineffectual for years". The only League Max (and Ted) had ever been a regular part of was the JLI so either: 1) this was a very deliberate, intentional, mean-spirited TakeThat on the part of the writers at the JLI, or 2) the writers were idiots, too stupid to realize that's precisely what it came across as. This moment was so bad that it became the one part of this one-shot that DC has tried to correct, by instead saying that Max had more of a gradual FaceHeelTurn, but that still leaves a DCU without Ted, murdered by a friend it should have been completely OOC to murder him, so that every story since then involving JLI survivors will be about how evil Max was, and now the entire JLI history along with a lot of other good things has now been retconned out of existence by ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}, so, no, I don't regret my decision to quit DC.

* Tropers/{{caivu}}: ''ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}'' went into a severe nosedive with the change in creative teams after issue #24. It was bad enough that [[ExecutiveMeddling Kate and Maggie were no longer allowed to get married]], but the problems became compounded with worse writing, worse art, and Batwoman undergoing significant BadassDecay at the hands of sub-par villains. None of these are the Dethroning Moment though, only lead-ups. The real [=DMoS=] came when Kate got hypnotized and sexually assaulted (if not outright raped) by Nocturna, and was then implied to be Noctura's ongoing sex slave. For... no real reason at all. Ugh, so very gross. Way to completely trash such a good series and and nerf such a strong and interesting character, DC.