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* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to being a UniversallyBelovedLeader. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that certain people of the nobility or prominent position (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\
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There's also the {{irony}} that as a queen, Celestine is sheltered from the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean she has ''seen'' the devastation first-hand, and without that, it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.\\
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The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience of the strife outside the palace. There, she understands that her city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people from the predations of Vault, the Black Dogs, and the ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] [[AristocratsAreEvil nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash the rebellion by force. Even if this is at the cost of numerous lives, it is to prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany the bigger picture]] -- the war effort, which should be clear of any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.\\
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It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[ToughLeaderFacade steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.
* MasterSwordsman: Characters known for their swordsmanship prowess often have unrealistic ImplausibleFencingPowers gained via CharlesAtlasSuperpower, framed as purely skilled badasses born of effort, hard work, and determination. Put these people in a LowFantasy setting and take away said powers, and they end up as people who happen to be better at using a sword than regular citizenry. While they have the skill required to fight {{mooks}}, they are by no means capable of [[CleanCut effortlessly cutting chunks of body parts]] or [[OneManArmy mowing them down left and right]].\\
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To illustrate the above, the remastered version has Alicia, her two seconds, and Kyril clearing out an orc den. On paper, Alicia is groomed to be a KnightInShiningArmour, making her a trained, seasoned MasterSwordswoman. In practice, she thrusts her sword into an orc's gut and gets her blade stuck, a logical consequence of the absence of ImplausibleFencingPowers. In contrast, the narrative clearly acknowledges Kyril as a superhuman being who owns inexplicably durable weapons (though nobody InUniverse knows this), so it doesn't matter whether he has a sword or not -- he is 100% capable of chopping off a big orc's arm in one swing and killing orcs at a faster rate. To wrap up, Alicia has one kill, her two seconds have two kills each, and Kyril has five.
* OneManArmy: Being able to take out enemies by the hundreds and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.\\
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So the Good Hunter is the PlayerCharacter from ''VideoGame/BloodBorne'' who has killed thousands of enemies throughout his time in Yharnam. Beast. Human. EldritchAbomination. It never matters. Very cool! Does he come out mentally unscathed? '''No'''. At the very first chapter, the readers get to see his P.O.V. -- rather than a glorious, god-slaying warrior, Kyril is a tired ShellShockedVeteran who considers his role as HunterOfMonsters DirtyBusiness. Rather than feeling proud of his accomplishments, he sees killing as a grim task meant to be endured, a task that makes one susceptible to [[BloodKnight uncontrolled bloodlust]]. Furthermore, the readers get to see how Kyril copes with the emotional baggage he received from [[DarkAndTroubledPast the hell that is Yharnam]], including the all-too-common [[TroubledBackstoryFlashback "Vietnam flashbacks"]] (or in this case, "Yharnam flashbacks"), together with the [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror desensitisation]] to the blood he has shed in his wake (a legitimate coping mechanism in and of itself). Turns out that killing things/people by the thousands really [[SarcasmMode does wonders]] to a person's psyche.\\
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Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower training]], [[TheAce talent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease, yet found himself amidst neverending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that would [[SanitySlippage sap away the sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the other hand...\\
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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invincible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an empowered HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\
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[[DeconReconSwitch With that being said, the fact remains that the One Man Army is a force to be reckoned with]]. While there are limitations, Kyril's [[PragmaticHero pragmatism]] is more than enough to compensate for that. Most importantly, his very [[WorldsStrongestMan strength]] and [[TheDreaded reputation]] is the reason why he is able to triumph every battle. The reason why the ForeverWar is finally able to end. The reason why Eostia has a chance to repel [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]] (keep in mind that [[TheBadGuyWins the Black Dogs actually win]] in ''Kuroinu'' canon).
* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]][[note]]while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific[[/note]].\\
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Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.
* WorthyOpponent: In typical stories, the scenario where a villain developing respect towards their adversary, often the protagonist, is used to make the villain more admirable and sympathetic. Here, Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:has seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.

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* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to being a UniversallyBelovedLeader. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that certain people of the nobility or prominent position (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\
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generosity.
**
There's also the {{irony}} that as a queen, Celestine is sheltered from the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean she has ''seen'' the devastation first-hand, and without that, it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.\\
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tents.
**
The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience of the strife outside the palace. There, she understands that her city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people from the predations of Vault, the Black Dogs, and the ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] [[AristocratsAreEvil nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash the rebellion by force. Even if this is at the cost of numerous lives, it is to prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany the bigger picture]] -- the war effort, which should be clear of any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.\\
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fronts.
**
It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[ToughLeaderFacade steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.
* MasterSwordsman: Characters known for their swordsmanship prowess often have unrealistic ImplausibleFencingPowers gained via CharlesAtlasSuperpower, framed as purely skilled badasses born of effort, hard work, and determination. Put these people in a LowFantasy setting and take away said powers, and they end up as people who happen to be better at using a sword than regular citizenry. While they have the skill required to fight {{mooks}}, they are by no means capable of [[CleanCut effortlessly cutting chunks of body parts]] or [[OneManArmy mowing them down left and right]].\\
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right]].
**
To illustrate the above, the remastered version has Alicia, her two seconds, and Kyril clearing out an orc den. On paper, Alicia is groomed to be a KnightInShiningArmour, making her a trained, seasoned MasterSwordswoman. In practice, she thrusts her sword into an orc's gut and gets her blade stuck, a logical consequence of the absence of ImplausibleFencingPowers. In contrast, the narrative clearly acknowledges Kyril as a superhuman being who owns inexplicably durable weapons (though nobody InUniverse knows this), so it doesn't matter whether he has a sword or not -- he is 100% capable of chopping off a big orc's arm in one swing and killing orcs at a faster rate. To wrap up, Alicia has one kill, her two seconds have two kills each, and Kyril has five.
* OneManArmy: Being able to take out enemies by the hundreds and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.\\
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So
sounds.
**So
the Good Hunter is the PlayerCharacter from ''VideoGame/BloodBorne'' who has killed thousands of enemies throughout his time in Yharnam. Beast. Human. EldritchAbomination. It never matters. Very cool! Does he come out mentally unscathed? '''No'''. At the very first chapter, the readers get to see his P.O.V. -- rather than a glorious, god-slaying warrior, Kyril is a tired ShellShockedVeteran who considers his role as HunterOfMonsters DirtyBusiness. Rather than feeling proud of his accomplishments, he sees killing as a grim task meant to be endured, a task that makes one susceptible to [[BloodKnight uncontrolled bloodlust]]. Furthermore, the readers get to see how Kyril copes with the emotional baggage he received from [[DarkAndTroubledPast the hell that is Yharnam]], including the all-too-common [[TroubledBackstoryFlashback "Vietnam flashbacks"]] (or in this case, "Yharnam flashbacks"), together with the [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror desensitisation]] to the blood he has shed in his wake (a legitimate coping mechanism in and of itself). Turns out that killing things/people by the thousands really [[SarcasmMode does wonders]] to a person's psyche.\\
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psyche.
**
Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower training]], [[TheAce talent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease, yet found himself amidst neverending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that would [[SanitySlippage sap away the sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the other hand...\\
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hand...
**
Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invincible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an empowered HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\
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efficient]].
**
[[DeconReconSwitch With that being said, the fact remains that the One Man Army is a force to be reckoned with]]. While there are limitations, Kyril's [[PragmaticHero pragmatism]] is more than enough to compensate for that. Most importantly, his very [[WorldsStrongestMan strength]] and [[TheDreaded reputation]] is the reason why he is able to triumph every battle. The reason why the ForeverWar is finally able to end. The reason why Eostia has a chance to repel [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]] (keep in mind that [[TheBadGuyWins the Black Dogs actually win]] in ''Kuroinu'' canon).
* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]][[note]]while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific[[/note]].\\
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horrific[[/note]].
**
Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.
* WorthyOpponent: In typical stories, the scenario where a villain developing respect towards their adversary, often the protagonist, is used to make the villain more admirable and sympathetic. Here, Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:has seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.that.
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* MasterSwordsman: Characters known for their swordsmanship prowess often have unrealistic ImplausibleFencingPowers gained via CharlesAtlasSuperpower, framed as purely skilled {{badass}}es born of effort, hard work, and determination. Put these people in a LowFantasy setting and take away said powers, and they end up as people who happen to be better at using a sword than regular citizenry. While they have the skill required to fight {{mooks}}, they are by no means capable of [[CleanCut effortlessly cutting chunks of body parts]] or [[OneManArmy mowing them down left and right]].\\

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* MasterSwordsman: Characters known for their swordsmanship prowess often have unrealistic ImplausibleFencingPowers gained via CharlesAtlasSuperpower, framed as purely skilled {{badass}}es badasses born of effort, hard work, and determination. Put these people in a LowFantasy setting and take away said powers, and they end up as people who happen to be better at using a sword than regular citizenry. While they have the skill required to fight {{mooks}}, they are by no means capable of [[CleanCut effortlessly cutting chunks of body parts]] or [[OneManArmy mowing them down left and right]].\\
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It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.

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It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask [[ToughLeaderFacade steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.
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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an empowered HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\

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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] invincible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an empowered HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\
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''Fanfic/TheNightUnfurls'' explores and questions the typical assumptions of many character archetypes PlayedStraight. Bear in mind that not all deconstructions are inherently dark.

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''Fanfic/TheNightUnfurls'' explores and questions the typical assumptions of [[DeconstructedCharacterArchetype many character archetypes archetypes]] PlayedStraight. Bear in mind that not all deconstructions are inherently dark.



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* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\

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* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having being a HundredPercentAdorationRating.UniversallyBelovedLeader. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] position (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\



Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[TrainingFromHell train]][[CharlesAtlasSuperpower ing]], [[TheAce tal]][[TheGift ent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease yet found himself amidst never-ending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that would [[SanitySlippage sap away the sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the other hand...\\

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Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[TrainingFromHell train]][[CharlesAtlasSuperpower ing]], [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower training]], [[TheAce tal]][[TheGift ent]], talent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease disease, yet found himself amidst never-ending neverending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that would [[SanitySlippage sap away the sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the other hand...\\

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* ChildSoldiers: A LighterAndSofter variant. Sanakan, Hugh, and Soren are [[KidHero Kid Heroes]] who participate in the war against the [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores Black Dogs]], so yes, they count as this. Their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] Kyril even outright states to the former two that becoming his [[TheApprentice apprentices]] is not some promotion, but rather a burden: they will fight, kill, struggle, and fall. They will bear witness to [[WarIsHell the hell that is war]], the worst things that someone can do to another.\\

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* ChildSoldiers: A LighterAndSofter variant. Sanakan, Hugh, and Soren are [[KidHero Kid Heroes]] who participate in the war against the [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores Black Dogs]], so yes, they count as this. Their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] Kyril even outright states to the former two that becoming his [[TheApprentice apprentices]] is not some promotion, but rather a burden: they will fight, kill, struggle, and fall. They will bear witness to [[WarIsHell the hell that is war]], the worst things that someone can do to another. Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.
* HaremSeeker: In modern-day works (especially that of the HaremGenre), a person who wants to have multiple romantic/sexual partners is either a LovableSexManiac or a ChivalrousPervert, the "perverted but likeable" type of character. Here, people like Anders Bleu have no qualms about joining an organisation with the goal to create a SexSlave [[TheEmpire empire]] should the opportunity arise. From their perspective, if they can obtain multiple partners by joining said organisation, just like how kings or emperors have many concubines (which is what Vault and the Black Dogs mean by how every man could "live like kings"), why shouldn't they do so?
* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.
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Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.
* HaremSeeker: In modern-day works (especially that of the HaremGenre), a person who wants to have multiple romantic/sexual partners is either a LovableSexManiac or a ChivalrousPervert, the "perverted but likeable" type of character. Here, people like Anders Bleu have no qualms about joining an organisation with the goal to create a SexSlave [[TheEmpire empire]] should the opportunity arise. From their perspective, if they can obtain multiple partners by joining said organisation, just like how kings or emperors have many concubines (which is what Vault and the Black Dogs mean by how every man could "live like kings"), why shouldn't they do so?
* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\
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* OneManArmy: Being able to take out enemies by the hundreds and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.\\

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* OneManArmy: Being able to MasterSwordsman: Characters known for their swordsmanship prowess often have unrealistic ImplausibleFencingPowers gained via CharlesAtlasSuperpower, framed as purely skilled {{badass}}es born of effort, hard work, and determination. Put these people in a LowFantasy setting and take out enemies by away said powers, and they end up as people who happen to be better at using a sword than regular citizenry. While they have the hundreds skill required to fight {{mooks}}, they are by no means capable of [[CleanCut effortlessly cutting chunks of body parts]] or [[OneManArmy mowing them down left and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.right]].\\


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To illustrate the above, the remastered version has Alicia, her two seconds, and Kyril clearing out an orc den. On paper, Alicia is groomed to be a KnightInShiningArmour, making her a trained, seasoned MasterSwordswoman. In practice, she thrusts her sword into an orc's gut and gets her blade stuck, a logical consequence of the absence of ImplausibleFencingPowers. In contrast, the narrative clearly acknowledges Kyril as a superhuman being who owns inexplicably durable weapons (though nobody InUniverse knows this), so it doesn't matter whether he has a sword or not -- he is 100% capable of chopping off a big orc's arm in one swing and killing orcs at a faster rate. To wrap up, Alicia has one kill, her two seconds have two kills each, and Kyril has five.
* OneManArmy: Being able to take out enemies by the hundreds and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.\\
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* WorthyOpponent: In typical stories, the scenario where a villain developing respect towards the protagonist is used to make the villain more admirable and sympathetic. Here, Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:has seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.

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* WorthyOpponent: In typical stories, the scenario where a villain developing respect towards their adversary, often the protagonist protagonist, is used to make the villain more admirable and sympathetic. Here, Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:has seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.
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* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]] (while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific).\\

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* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]] (while speak]][[note]]while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific).horrific[[/note]].\\
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* WorthyOpponent: More specifically, the "villain develops respect towards main character" trope. Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:has seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.

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* WorthyOpponent: More specifically, In typical stories, the "villain develops scenario where a villain developing respect towards main character" trope. the protagonist is used to make the villain more admirable and sympathetic. Here, Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:has seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.
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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an EmpoweredBadassNormal HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\

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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an EmpoweredBadassNormal empowered HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\
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* WorthyOpponent: More specifically, the "villain develops respect towards main character" trope. Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:have seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.

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* WorthyOpponent: More specifically, the "villain develops respect towards main character" trope. Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:have [[spoiler:has seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.
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Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.

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Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.mentally.
* WorthyOpponent: More specifically, the "villain develops respect towards main character" trope. Shamuhaza finds his adversary Kyril misguided in his persistence, and is very, very eager to face the Hunter, the person who [[spoiler:have seen [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow the Eldritch Truth]]]] like himself. This doesn't change the fact that both want the other dead. It also doesn't change the fact that Shamuhaza ''is'' a villainous figure who [[PlayingWithSyringes conducted experiments]] upon every citizen in the Fortress City of Rad, a figure whose actions would doom Eostia into suffering a [[ApocalypseHow Beast]] [[ThePlague Plague]] [[HistoryRepeats like Yharnam before it]] should he be kept alive. Last but not least, Kyril outclasses him ''a ton'', and he [[CurbStompBattle proves exactly that]] by the time Shamuhaza [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor gets his wish]] a second time. Nothing gratifying about that.
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* HaremSeeker: In modern-day works (especially that of the HaremGenre), a person who wants to have multiple romantic/sexual partners is either a LovableSexManiac or a ChivalrousPervert, the "perverted but likeable" type of character. Here, people like Anders Bleu have no qualms about joining an organisation with the goal to create a SexSlave [[TheEmpire empire]] should the opportunity arise. From their perspective, if they can obtain multiple partners by joining said organisation, just like how kings or emperors have many concubines (which is what Vault and the Black Dogs mean by how every man could "live like kings"), why shouldn't they do so?
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* HalfHumanHybrid: Shown to be horrific rather than a result of InterspeciesRomance with the mushy and angsty stuff that ensues.
** Chloe is half-human, half-elf. [[spoiler:She was born of [[ChildByRape rape]]]].
** {{Mutants}} appear as [[MixAndMatchCritters mix-and-match]] EliteMooks. Some of them are half-human, half-whatever, with [[InsectoidAliens insect heads, wings]], eyes, tendrils, etc. They are the result of Shamuhaza's [[PlayingWithSyringes experiments]] that involve FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, BodyHorror and all.
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* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]] (while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific). Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.

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* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]] (while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific). \\
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** {{Mutants}} appear as [[MixAndMatchCritters mix-and-match]] EliteMooks. Some of them are half-human, half-whatever, with [[InsectoidAliens insect heads, wings]], eyes, tendrils, etc. They are the result of Shamuhaza's [[PlayingWithSyringes experiments]] that involve FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, BodyHorror and all.\\

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** {{Mutants}} appear as [[MixAndMatchCritters mix-and-match]] EliteMooks. Some of them are half-human, half-whatever, with [[InsectoidAliens insect heads, wings]], eyes, tendrils, etc. They are the result of Shamuhaza's [[PlayingWithSyringes experiments]] that involve FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, BodyHorror and all.all.
* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.
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There's also the {{irony}} that as a queen, Celestine is sheltered from the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean she has ''seen'' the devastation first-hand, and without that, it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.\\



* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\

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* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as strife outside the palace. There, she understands that her humility and desire for city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside people from the obvious ones like Vault and predations of Vault, the Black Dogs, and the story has shown that ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of rebellion by force. Even if this is at the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready cost of numerous lives, it is to turn against her when prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany the opportunity arrives (i.e. bigger picture]] -- the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage war effort, which should be clear of her generosity.any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.\\



There's also the {{irony}} that as a queen, Celestine is sheltered from the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean she has ''seen'' the devastation first-hand, and without that, it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.\\

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There's also the {{irony}} It is worth mentioning that as a queen, although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine is sheltered from suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean ground]]. Clearly, she has ''seen'' not forgotten the devastation first-hand, principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.
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and without that, thousands is not as glamorous as it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.sounds.\\



The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience of the strife outside the palace. There, she understands that her city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people from the predations of Vault, the Black Dogs, and the ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] [[AristocratsAreEvil nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash the rebellion by force. Even if this is at the cost of numerous lives, it is to prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany the bigger picture]] -- the war effort, which should be clear of any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.\\

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It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.\\

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It is worth mentioning Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[TrainingFromHell train]][[CharlesAtlasSuperpower ing]], [[TheAce tal]][[TheGift ent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease yet found himself amidst never-ending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to would [[SanitySlippage sap away the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.other hand...\\



Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an EmpoweredBadassNormal HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\



* OneManArmy: Being able to take out enemies by the hundreds and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.\\
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So the Good Hunter is the PlayerCharacter from ''VideoGame/BloodBorne'' who has killed thousands of enemies throughout his time in Yharnam. Beast. Human. EldritchAbomination. It never matters. Very cool! Does he come out mentally unscathed? '''No'''. At the very first chapter, the readers get to see his P.O.V. -- rather than a glorious, god-slaying warrior, Kyril is a tired ShellShockedVeteran who considers his role as HunterOfMonsters DirtyBusiness. Rather than feeling proud of his accomplishments, he sees killing as a grim task meant to be endured, a task that makes one susceptible to [[BloodKnight uncontrolled bloodlust]]. Furthermore, the readers get to see how Kyril copes with the emotional baggage he received from [[DarkAndTroubledPast the hell that is Yharnam]], including the all-too-common [[TroubledBackstoryFlashback "Vietnam flashbacks"]] (or in this case, "Yharnam flashbacks"), together with the [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror desensitisation]] to the blood he has shed in his wake (a legitimate coping mechanism in and of itself). Turns out that killing things/people by the thousands really [[SarcasmMode does wonders]] to a person's psyche.\\
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Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[TrainingFromHell train]][[CharlesAtlasSuperpower ing]], [[TheAce tal]][[TheGift ent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease yet found himself amidst never-ending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that would [[SanitySlippage sap away the sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the other hand...\\
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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an EmpoweredBadassNormal HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\
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[[DeconReconSwitch With that being said, the fact remains that the One Man Army is a force to be reckoned with]]. While there are limitations, Kyril's [[PragmaticHero pragmatism]] is more than enough to compensate for that. Most importantly, his very [[WorldsStrongestMan strength]] and [[TheDreaded reputation]] is the reason why he is able to triumph every battle. The reason why the ForeverWar is finally able to end. The reason why Eostia has a chance to repel [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]] (keep in mind that [[TheBadGuyWins the Black Dogs actually win]] in ''Kuroinu'' canon).\\
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* OneManArmy: Being able to take out enemies by the hundreds and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.\\
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So the Good Hunter is the PlayerCharacter from ''VideoGame/BloodBorne'' who has killed thousands of enemies throughout his time in Yharnam. Beast. Human. EldritchAbomination. It never matters. Very cool! Does he come out mentally unscathed? '''No'''. At the very first chapter, the readers get to see his P.O.V. -- rather than a glorious, god-slaying warrior, Kyril is a tired ShellShockedVeteran who considers his role as HunterOfMonsters DirtyBusiness. Rather than feeling proud of his accomplishments, he sees killing as a grim task meant to be endured, a task that makes one susceptible to [[BloodKnight uncontrolled bloodlust]]. Furthermore, the readers get to see how Kyril copes with the emotional baggage he received from [[DarkAndTroubledPast the hell that is Yharnam]], including the all-too-common [[TroubledBackstoryFlashback "Vietnam flashbacks"]] (or in this case, "Yharnam flashbacks"), together with the [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror desensitisation]] to the blood he has shed in his wake (a legitimate coping mechanism in and of itself). Turns out that killing things/people by the thousands really [[SarcasmMode does wonders]] to a person's psyche.\\
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Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[TrainingFromHell train]][[CharlesAtlasSuperpower ing]], [[TheAce tal]][[TheGift ent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease yet found himself amidst never-ending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that would [[SanitySlippage sap away the sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the other hand...\\
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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an EmpoweredBadassNormal HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\
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[[DeconReconSwitch With that being said, the fact remains that the One Man Army is a force to be reckoned with]]. While there are limitations, Kyril's [[PragmaticHero pragmatism]] is more than enough to compensate for that. Most importantly, his very [[WorldsStrongestMan strength]] and [[TheDreaded reputation]] is the reason why he is able to triumph every battle. The reason why the ForeverWar is finally able to end. The reason why Eostia has a chance to repel [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]] (keep in mind that [[TheBadGuyWins the Black Dogs actually win]] in ''Kuroinu'' canon).\\
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Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.\\

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Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.\\
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* ChildSoldiers: A LighterAndSofter variant. Sanakan, Hugh, and Soren are [[KidHero Kid Heroes]] who participate in the war against the [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores Black Dogs]], so yes, they count as this. Their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] Kyril even outright states to the former two that becoming his [[TheApprentice apprentices]] is not some promotion, but rather a burden: they will fight, kill, struggle, and fall. They will bear witness to [[WarIsHell the hell that is war]], the worst things that someone can do to another. Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.

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* ChildSoldiers: A LighterAndSofter variant. Sanakan, Hugh, and Soren are [[KidHero Kid Heroes]] who participate in the war against the [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores Black Dogs]], so yes, they count as this. Their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] Kyril even outright states to the former two that becoming his [[TheApprentice apprentices]] is not some promotion, but rather a burden: they will fight, kill, struggle, and fall. They will bear witness to [[WarIsHell the hell that is war]], the worst things that someone can do to another. \\
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Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.\\
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** {{Mutants}} appear as [[MixAndMatchCritters mix-and-match]] EliteMooks. Some of them are half-human, half-whatever, with [[InsectoidAliens insect heads, wings]], eyes, tendrils, etc. They are the result of Shamuhaza's [[PlayingWithSyringes experiments]] that involve FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, BodyHorror and all.
* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\

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** {{Mutants}} appear as [[MixAndMatchCritters mix-and-match]] EliteMooks. Some of them are half-human, half-whatever, with [[InsectoidAliens insect heads, wings]], eyes, tendrils, etc. They are the result of Shamuhaza's [[PlayingWithSyringes experiments]] that involve FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, BodyHorror and all.
* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.
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There's also the {{irony}} that as a queen, Celestine is sheltered from the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean she has ''seen'' the devastation first-hand, and without that, it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.\\



The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience of the strife outside the palace. There, she understands that her city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people from the predations of Vault, the Black Dogs, and the ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] [[AristocratsAreEvil nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash the rebellion by force. Even if this is at the cost of numerous lives, it is to prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany the bigger picture]] -- the war effort, which should be clear of any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.\\

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The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience * TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the strife outside reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the palace. There, she understands that her city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people other. Aside from the predations of Vault, obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, and the ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash certain people of the rebellion by force. Even if this is at nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the cost of numerous lives, it is common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany turn against her when the bigger picture]] -- opportunity arrives (i.e. the war effort, which should be clear ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.her generosity.\\



It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.

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There's also the {{irony}} that as a queen, Celestine is sheltered from the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean she has ''seen'' the devastation first-hand, and without that, it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.\\
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The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience of the strife outside the palace. There, she understands that her city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people from the predations of Vault, the Black Dogs, and the ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] [[AristocratsAreEvil nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash the rebellion by force. Even if this is at the cost of numerous lives, it is to prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany the bigger picture]] -- the war effort, which should be clear of any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.\\
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It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.\\
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* OneManArmy: Being able to take out enemies by the hundreds and thousands is not as glamorous as it sounds.\\
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So the Good Hunter is the PlayerCharacter from ''VideoGame/BloodBorne'' who has killed thousands of enemies throughout his time in Yharnam. Beast. Human. EldritchAbomination. It never matters. Very cool! Does he come out mentally unscathed? '''No'''. At the very first chapter, the readers get to see his P.O.V. -- rather than a glorious, god-slaying warrior, Kyril is a tired ShellShockedVeteran who considers his role as HunterOfMonsters DirtyBusiness. Rather than feeling proud of his accomplishments, he sees killing as a grim task meant to be endured, a task that makes one susceptible to [[BloodKnight uncontrolled bloodlust]]. Furthermore, the readers get to see how Kyril copes with the emotional baggage he received from [[DarkAndTroubledPast the hell that is Yharnam]], including the all-too-common [[TroubledBackstoryFlashback "Vietnam flashbacks"]] (or in this case, "Yharnam flashbacks"), together with the [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror desensitisation]] to the blood he has shed in his wake (a legitimate coping mechanism in and of itself). Turns out that killing things/people by the thousands really [[SarcasmMode does wonders]] to a person's psyche.\\
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Fiction in general tends to emphasize how awesome OneManArmies are as a result of either of the following: [[TrainingFromHell train]][[CharlesAtlasSuperpower ing]], [[TheAce tal]][[TheGift ent]], [[MagicGenetics genetics]], or being a BornWinner. The Good Hunter? He was a mere farmer who just wants a cure for some disease yet found himself amidst never-ending pain through [[ImmortalityHurts dying gruesomely over and over again]], amidst horrors that would [[SanitySlippage sap away the sanity]] of any lesser person. Fast-forward to present, Kyril is surely a badass [[spoiler:and a [[EldritchAbomination great one]] to boot]]. ''[[TraumaCongaLine Getting]]'' there, on the other hand...\\
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Just because The Good Hunter is [[ResurrectiveImmortality invinsible]] doesn’t mean he is no limitations, namely, a) he simply cannot be everywhere at once, and b), he doesn’t want to risk [[{{Masquerade}} exposing anything related to Yharnam]] [[spoiler:by tapping into his potential as an EldritchAbomination]]. Kyril, a CombatPragmatist first and foremost, is [[GenreSavvy fully aware]] of his attributes as an EmpoweredBadassNormal HunterOfMonsters. In order to mitigate the limitations mentioned before, he plays the role of FourStarBadass by leading his MenOfSherwood into battle, cooperating with his fellow sergeants, and having his troops attack the enemy on multiple fronts simultaneously to achieve victory. The Good Hunter is formidable, yes, but a OneManArmy fighting with a well-trained army is [[BoringButPractical simply more efficient]].\\
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[[DeconReconSwitch With that being said, the fact remains that the One Man Army is a force to be reckoned with]]. While there are limitations, Kyril's [[PragmaticHero pragmatism]] is more than enough to compensate for that. Most importantly, his very [[WorldsStrongestMan strength]] and [[TheDreaded reputation]] is the reason why he is able to triumph every battle. The reason why the ForeverWar is finally able to end. The reason why Eostia has a chance to repel [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]] (keep in mind that [[TheBadGuyWins the Black Dogs actually win]] in ''Kuroinu'' canon).\\
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* TheHighQueen: Celestine ''is'' an honest, talented, and benevolent ruler, and her beauty is one of the reasons why many adore her. However, being a benevolent ruler doesn't equate to having a HundredPercentAdorationRating. As genuine as her humility and desire for her people's safety is, she also attracts dissidents who oppose her for one reason or the other. Aside from the obvious ones like Vault and the Black Dogs, the story has shown that [[AristocratsAreEvil certain people of the nobility or prominent position]] (e.g. Beasley, Grishom), as well as [[GullibleLemmings a sizeable portion of the common people]] (the rebels), will be ready to turn against her when the opportunity arrives (i.e. the ''Rebel Scum Arc''). This is especially so when they believe they can take advantage of her generosity.\\
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There's also the {{irony}} that as a queen, Celestine is sheltered from the [[WarIsHell ugly side of war]], in spite of her experience in ruling over a country subjected to a ForeverWar beforehand, together with the experiences due to her long lifespan as an elf. The reason? Just because she ''knows'' that WarIsHell doesn't mean she has ''seen'' the devastation first-hand, and without that, it is easy for her to become out of touch with reality. It is during Chapter 24 where Celestine, out of her own volition, leaves her palace to see the chaos for herself. As a result, the atmosphere in the healer tents gets to her -- she is unable to bear witnessing the healers working their fingers to the bone, and listening to the cries and the lamentation of the injured. At one point, she even tries to lend a hand, to no avail, for the man she and the healers tried to help died anyway after six hours of surgery. She [[HeroicBSOD breaks down]]. Imagine what would happen if she goes to the rioting streets rather than the comparatively tame healer tents.\\
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The {{deconstruction}} comes in full circle after Celestine's first-hand experience of the strife outside the palace. There, she understands that her city is in the midst of dissent. Not even she, the Queen herself, can spare every single person from a cruel fate during war. If she wants to protect her people from the predations of Vault, the Black Dogs, and the ongoing war, she would have to become a ruler [[IDidWhatIHadToDo harsher than before]]. Once, she planned to appeal for peace and discuss terms with the rebels. Now, she doubles down on the punitive measures imposed on [[DecadentCourt the]] [[AristocratsAreEvil nobility]], while unleashing [[TheDreaded Kyril Sutherland]] to quash the rebellion by force. Even if this is at the cost of numerous lives, it is to prioritise on [[TheNeedsOfTheMany the bigger picture]] -- the war effort, which should be clear of any distractions to prevent fighting on multiple fronts.\\
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It is worth mentioning that although this trope is {{deconstructed}}, it '''does not''' equate to Celestine suddenly JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and, say, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen razing her city to the ground]]. Clearly, she has not forgotten the principles she held as TheHighQueen, but at the same time, she realises that she ought to [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask steel herself]] in an unprecedented situation like this.
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* HalfHumanHybrid: Shown to be horrific rather than a result of InterspeciesRomance with the mushy and angsty stuff that ensues.
** Chloe is half-human, half-elf. [[spoiler:She was born of [[ChildByRape rape]]]].
** {{Mutants}} appear as [[MixAndMatchCritters mix-and-match]] EliteMooks. Some of them are half-human, half-whatever, with [[InsectoidAliens insect heads, wings]], eyes, tendrils, etc. They are the result of Shamuhaza's [[PlayingWithSyringes experiments]] that involve FaceFullOfAlienWingWong, BodyHorror and all.
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* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat be satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]] (while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific). Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.

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* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat be satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]] (while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific). Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.
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* ChildSoldiers: A LightAndSofter variant. Sanakan, Hugh, and Soren are [[KidHero Kid Heroes]] who participate in the war against the [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores Black Dogs]], so yes, they count as this. Their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] Kyril even outright states to the former two that becoming his [[TheApprentice apprentices]] is not some promotion, but rather a burden: they will fight, kill, struggle, and fall. They will bear witness to [[WarIsHell the hell that is war]], the worst things that someone can do to another. Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.

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* ChildSoldiers: A LightAndSofter LighterAndSofter variant. Sanakan, Hugh, and Soren are [[KidHero Kid Heroes]] who participate in the war against the [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores Black Dogs]], so yes, they count as this. Their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] Kyril even outright states to the former two that becoming his [[TheApprentice apprentices]] is not some promotion, but rather a burden: they will fight, kill, struggle, and fall. They will bear witness to [[WarIsHell the hell that is war]], the worst things that someone can do to another. Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.
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* ChildSoldiers: A LightAndSofter variant. Sanakan, Hugh, and Soren are [[KidHero Kid Heroes]] who participate in the war against the [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores Black Dogs]], so yes, they count as this. Their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] Kyril even outright states to the former two that becoming his [[TheApprentice apprentices]] is not some promotion, but rather a burden: they will fight, kill, struggle, and fall. They will bear witness to [[WarIsHell the hell that is war]], the worst things that someone can do to another. Yet, their ultimate decision is to train for battle, and fight alongside their mentor in this war. The reason? Being a "normal" citizen isn't any better, if not worse. If the Black Dogs come for their defenceless selves, they would either be killed or be enslaved, not to mention how their "normal" lives involve getting beaten up by thugs on an indefinite basis. In addition, the kids are able to get a paycheck instead of stealing, and being able to kill dozens of greenskins and bandits, enemies whom they won't feel sorry for, is pretty cathartic.
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''Fanfic/TheNightUnfurls'' explores and questions the typical assumptions of many character archetypes PlayedStraight. Bear in mind that not all deconstructions are inherently dark.
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* StreetUrchin: In reality, it is unlikely for orphaned pickpockets like Sanakan and Hugh to somehow [[TheArtfulDodger thrive]] in the streets, be [[SatisfiedStreetRat be satisfied]] with their lives, or coming out of the ordeal unscathed, being fully exposed to an environment that is HarmfulToMinors. To elaborate, they had to resort to thievery and beggaring just to fill their stomachs; they had to move from place to place for shelter and sleep; and should they get caught, they were forced to bear scars and injuries from people/things all too willing to [[WouldHurtAChild hurt children]]. Hugh, in particular, suffered a SlashedThroat from a bandit, [[TheSpeechless robbing of his ability to speak]] (while it is TruthInTelevision that one could survive getting their throated slashed, this is nonetheless horrific). Fast-forward to the present, the two kids manage to reside in a village as shelter, only for it to be attacked by [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores the Black Dogs]], a consequence of warfare. Hugh ends up getting [[EyeScream stabbed in the eye]] by an orc, [[LeftForDead left to bleed out]]; Sanakan gets taken by a group of those mercenaries to a church, rounded up along with the village women [[AttemptedRape for an orgy]]. Were it not for Kyril [[BigDamnHeroes cleaning up the entire village of the Black Dogs]] and finding the two by chance, the two would be so utterly screwed that they won't even survive one chapter. Sanakan and Hugh's well-being only starts to improve when Kyril becomes their [[MentorArchetype mentor]] to help them defend themselves, as well as their implied ParentalSubstitute to provide them food, a home, and someone to care for their health physically and mentally.

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