History Comicbook / KingdomCome

8th Dec '16 8:01:00 AM Doug86
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** In the climactic battle, when Von Bach is ready to kill Zatara, he says "Du wurst wie eine wanze zerquetscht!!" He's supposed to say "You'll be squashed like a bug!", but to that effect, he should have said ''Du wirst'' ("You will") instead of ''Du Wurst'' ("You sausage"). Justified in the novelization which reveals that Von Bach is a poser who likes German affectations but is not German. At one point, WorldWarII veteran Captain Comet tells him that no German would say ''Schweinhundt'', just ''Schwein''.

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** In the climactic battle, when Von Bach is ready to kill Zatara, he says "Du wurst wie eine wanze zerquetscht!!" He's supposed to say "You'll be squashed like a bug!", but to that effect, he should have said ''Du wirst'' ("You will") instead of ''Du Wurst'' ("You sausage"). Justified in the novelization which reveals that Von Bach is a poser who likes German affectations but is not German. At one point, WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII veteran Captain Comet tells him that no German would say ''Schweinhundt'', just ''Schwein''.
28th Nov '16 12:23:02 AM KJMackley
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* CentralTheme: The loss of humanity through [[TheEndsJustifyTheMeans justifying your actions]], whether it be taking a life or swinging around your power to get people in line. All the classic silver age heroes had lost their connection to the very people they swore to protect, Superman retired to his Fortress of Solitude, Wonder Woman lost her royal title because she spent more time as a warrior than ambassador of peace, Flash existed in constant motion unable to interact with anyone, Green Lantern remained in a watchtower construct in orbit over Earth and Batman policed Gotham via drones. As such the new generation, who idolized the classic heroes, were left without guidance and fought each other as much as they fought supervillains.

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* CentralTheme: The loss of humanity through [[TheEndsJustifyTheMeans [[TheEndJustifyTheMeans justifying your actions]], whether it be taking a life or swinging around your power to get people in line. All the classic silver age heroes had lost their connection to the very people they swore to protect, Superman retired to his Fortress of Solitude, Wonder Woman lost her royal title because she spent more time as a warrior than ambassador of peace, Flash existed in constant motion unable to interact with anyone, Green Lantern remained in a watchtower construct in orbit over Earth and Batman policed Gotham via drones. As such the new generation, who idolized the classic heroes, were left without guidance and fought each other as much as they fought supervillains.
28th Nov '16 12:21:41 AM KJMackley
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* CentralTheme: The loss of humanity through [[TheEndsJustifyTheMeans justifying your actions]], whether it be taking a life or swinging around your power to get people in line. All the classic silver age heroes had lost their connection to the very people they swore to protect, Superman retired to his Fortress of Solitude, Wonder Woman lost her royal title because she spent more time as a warrior than ambassador of peace, Flash existed in constant motion unable to interact with anyone, Green Lantern remained in a watchtower construct in orbit over Earth and Batman policed Gotham via drones. As such the new generation, who idolized the classic heroes, were left without guidance and fought each other as much as they fought supervillains.



* FramingDevice: The Spectre recruits Norman to assist him in the coming apocalypse to judge the guilty, because Norman inherited the visions of The Sandman. The Spectre guides Norman as an unseen observer to the incidents providing the most context to what happens. [[spoiler: Norman only interacts with the characters twice, once when The Flash catches them observing them in the watchtower and again at the end where he intervenes himself to get Superman to calm down and reclaim his humanity. Norman also helps the Spectre regain his humanity]].



* GodsHandsAreTied: The Spectre tells Norman that the Apocalypse is coming, but he can't stop it. In the {{Novelization}}, Norm is less than amused and has a RefusalOfTheCall.

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* GodsHandsAreTied: The Spectre tells Norman that the Apocalypse is coming, but he can't his job is only to punish the guilty, not stop it.the event. In the {{Novelization}}, Norm is less than amused and has a RefusalOfTheCall.



* NotSoDifferent: Orion to {{ComicBook/Darkseid}}, to Superman's disappointment.

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* NotSoDifferent: A primary theme throughout the story. In flexing their strength to bring the metahuman population under control, the reformed Justice League is making the exact same mistake that the current generation of anti-heroes made. In a brief visit to Apokalips, Superman finds Orion had overthrown {{ComicBook/Darkseid}} but is not much different in how he rules his world as the slave population found freedom just as terrifying a prospect as fascism. Superman ended up forced to {{ComicBook/Darkseid}}, to Superman's disappointment.build an immense [[TailorMadePrison metahuman prison]] called the Gulag and the narration mentions how familiar it looks, particularly it resembles the LegionOfDoom's skull-shaped headquarters.


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* WorldOfCardboardSpeech:
** Superman's words to Billy Batson.
-->''"I don't know what to do! You can see that, can't you? Every choice I've made so far has brought us here-- has been wrong! So listen to me Billy. Listen harder than you ever have before. Look around us. Look what we've come to. There's a bomb falling, either it kills us-- or we run rampant across the globe. I can still stop the bomb, Bill. That much I'm sure of. What I don't know is whether I should be allowed to. Superhumans or mankind... one will pay the ultimate price. And that decision is not for me to make. I'm not a god. I'm not a man. but you, Billy... you're both. More than anyone who ever existed, you know what it's like to live in both worlds. Only you can weigh their worth equally. Fight the brainwashing, Billy. You can let me go or with a word stop me. Do you understand the choice that can be made by you alone? Then decide. Decide the world."''
** Superman's final worlds to the UN.
-->''"But I no longer care about the mistakes of yesterday. I care about coping with tomorrow, together.The problems we face still exist. We're not going to solve them for you, we're going to solve them with you. Not by ruling above you but by living among you. We will no longer impose our power on humanity. We will earn your trust... using the wisdom one man left as his legacy. I asked him to choose between humans and superhumans. But he alone knew that was a false division and made the only choice that ever truly matters. He chose life. In the hope that your world and our world could be one world once again."''
27th Nov '16 1:21:42 AM KJMackley
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* BabiesEverAfter: [[spoiler: Wonder Woman is pregnant with Superman's child in the ending.]]

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* BabiesEverAfter: [[spoiler: Wonder Woman is pregnant with Superman's child in the ending.]] Batman is the godfather and they even discuss him having regular custody of the child, making he or she effectively a child of the Trinity]].


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* ClarkKenting: Explored in the end, where [[spoiler: each of the heroes unmask themselves and join society, eliminating their secret identities altogether]]. While in a Justice League themed chain restaurant "Planet Krypton," featuring serving staff dressed as the classic characters, Clark, Diana and Bruce enjoy a meal together and are largely undisturbed. In the same scene Diana even mentions that Clark wrote the book on secret identities.
6th Nov '16 4:49:39 AM Tron80
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* SharpenedToASingleAtom: Wonder Woman has a magic sword that is sharp enough to "carve the electrons off an atom". Leaving aside the ways that doesn't actually make sense, it suggests a blade with an edge thinner than an atom. Superman accidentally cuts himself on the blade.
26th Oct '16 2:36:32 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* CanonImmigrant: The version of Superman introduced in Kingdom Come was later incorporated into the main [=DC=] continuity and interacted with the Justice Society. The Kingdom Come-verse is officially Earth-22 of the post-''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' multiverse. Versions of a number of ComicBook/KingdomCome characters also ended up in the Main DCU's JSA, including Atom Smasher, Cyclone, and even Magog himself. Alloy showed up in in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold''. Then again, the Metal Men combining is just too good an idea not to use...''[[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational Justice League: Generation Lost]]'', which had a major subplot having to do with the events of ''Kingdom Come'', actually ''did'' use it. In a reversal of this, Rorschach shows up twice in the bar scene... at one point talking to the character he's an {{Expy}} of, The Question.

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* CanonImmigrant: CanonImmigrant:
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The version of Superman introduced in Kingdom Come was later incorporated into the main [=DC=] continuity and interacted with the Justice Society. Society.
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The Kingdom Come-verse is officially Earth-22 of the post-''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' multiverse. multiverse.
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Versions of a number of ComicBook/KingdomCome characters also ended up in the Main DCU's JSA, including Atom Smasher, Cyclone, and even Magog himself. himself.\
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Alloy showed up in in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold''. Then again, the Metal Men combining is just too good an idea not to use...use...
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''[[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational Justice League: Generation Lost]]'', which had a major subplot having to do with the events of ''Kingdom Come'', actually ''did'' use it. In a reversal of this, Rorschach shows up twice in the bar scene... at one point talking to the character he's an {{Expy}} of, The Question.Question.
** The (Kid) Flash of this series later showed up in a few other stories, and was identified as Iris West II. Taken a step further, the mainstream Wally West eventually had twins, one of whom was Iris "Irey" West II, who became the second Impulse.
17th Oct '16 5:04:38 PM nombretomado
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* ComicBookFantasyCasting: Bruce Wayne's appearance is partially based on Gregory Peck. This is a nod to the much lauded Batman Year One comic book by Dave Mazucchelli and FrankMiller.

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* ComicBookFantasyCasting: Bruce Wayne's appearance is partially based on Gregory Peck. This is a nod to the much lauded Batman Year One comic book by Dave Mazucchelli and FrankMiller.Creator/FrankMiller.
13th Oct '16 6:31:11 AM Tron80
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''"They won't forgive you for this, Clark. Forgive yourself."''

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''"They ->They won't forgive you for this, Clark. Forgive yourself."''yourself.
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10th Oct '16 2:43:09 AM Stranrep
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Superman and his crew are right that the anti-heroes have become too bloodthirsty and overzealous, blurring the binary of hero and villain, losing track of concepts like collateral damage and simply not caring about the people not on their power level. ''But the anti-heroes are also right'' in their belief that simply beating up Supervillains and tossing them in jail is a temporary solution at best and useless at worst because of JokerImmunity.

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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Superman and his crew are right that the anti-heroes have become too bloodthirsty and overzealous, blurring the binary of hero and villain, losing track of concepts like collateral damage and simply not caring about the people not on their power level. ''But ''But'' the anti-heroes are also right'' right in their belief that simply beating up Supervillains and tossing them in jail is a temporary solution at best and useless at worst because of JokerImmunity.
10th Oct '16 2:42:25 AM Stranrep
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Superman and his crew are right that the anti-heroes have become too bloodthirsty and overzealous, blurring the binary of hero and villain, losing track of concepts like collateral damage and simply not caring about the people not on their power level. Buuuut the anti-heroes are also right in their belief that simply beating up Supervillains and tossing them in jail is a temporary solution at best and useless at worst because of JokerImmunity.

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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Superman and his crew are right that the anti-heroes have become too bloodthirsty and overzealous, blurring the binary of hero and villain, losing track of concepts like collateral damage and simply not caring about the people not on their power level. Buuuut ''But the anti-heroes are also right right'' in their belief that simply beating up Supervillains and tossing them in jail is a temporary solution at best and useless at worst because of JokerImmunity.
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