History ComicBook / RedHoodAndTheOutlaws

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* ArtShift: Due the series having artists with pretty distinctive artstyles, guest characters tend to look differently to the way they look on their own series. This goes both ways, with the Outlaws looking differently when appearing in other books.
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* BrokenBird: How many readers see Starfire. It's not certain at this point if this was Lobdell's intention. She gets really snippy and hostile whenever anyone tries to talk to her about her past, and we eventually find out that her most precious memory is [[spoiler:killing the only Citadel member who showed her sympathy in all her time as a slave. It's even lampshaded how screwed up the team must be.]]

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* BrokenBird: How many readers see Starfire. It's not certain at this point if this was Lobdell's intention.take on Starfire. She gets really snippy and hostile whenever anyone tries to talk to her about her past, and we eventually find out that her most precious memory is [[spoiler:killing the only Citadel member who showed her sympathy in all her time as a slave. It's even lampshaded how screwed up the team must be.]]


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** Jason's helmet changes wildly between all of his appearances, sometimes within the same issue. It can go from smooth, featureless helmet to an expressive mask to everything in between.
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* CanonDiscontinuity: As far as Roy and Starfire are concerned, most of their backstory and time spent with Jason has been tossed out with Comicbook/DCRebirth, to much [[CharacterRerailment fan acclaim]].



** Issue #2, Red Hood gets an air hostess' number. They met in Batman #426, 20 years ago. She still remembers his drink order, although in modern continuity, they probably met 2-3 years ago. And he mentions 'A Death in the Family', although that is a ShoutOut. Her name is Isabel Ardila, by the way.
** In issue #6, it's revealed that Red Hood's costume is actually one of Nightwing's old costumes. Though in-universe information is lacking thanks to the recent reboot, it seems to be based on Nightwing's ''Renegade'' costume.
** The ''Night of the Owls'' tie-in nods to the revelation in ''Batman'' that[[spoiler: Haley's Circus (of which Nightwing was a performer) was a recruitment service for the Court of Owls. It may also be a reference to Red Hood's pre-''Crisis'' history as a circus performer.]]
** The ''Death of the Family'' tie-in has [[spoiler:the Joker forcing Jason to relive the circumstances of his death in the original ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'' arc.]]
** As is expected of ComicBook/DCRebirth, the second ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'' brings back several of Jason's post-Crisis origin elements like his first meeting with Batman by (attempting to) steal the Batmobile's tires, as well as Jason's time under the care of Ma Gunn.

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** **For Volume 1:
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Issue #2, Red Hood gets an air hostess' number. They met in Batman #426, 20 years ago. She still remembers his drink order, although in modern continuity, they probably met 2-3 years ago. And he mentions 'A Death in the Family', although that is a ShoutOut. Her name is Isabel Ardila, by the way.
** *** In issue #6, it's revealed that Red Hood's costume is actually one of Nightwing's old costumes. Though in-universe information is lacking thanks to the recent reboot, it seems to be based on Nightwing's ''Renegade'' costume.
** *** The ''Night of the Owls'' tie-in nods to the revelation in ''Batman'' that[[spoiler: Haley's Circus (of which Nightwing was a performer) was a recruitment service for the Court of Owls. It may also be a reference to Red Hood's pre-''Crisis'' history as a circus performer.]]
** *** The ''Death of the Family'' tie-in has [[spoiler:the Joker forcing Jason to relive the circumstances of his death in the original ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'' arc.]]
** **For Volume 2:
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As is expected of ComicBook/DCRebirth, the second ''Red Hood and the Outlaws'' brings back several of Jason's post-Crisis origin elements like his first meeting with Batman by (attempting to) steal the Batmobile's tires, as well as Jason's time under the care of Ma Gunn.Gunn.
*** Issue #8 shows a newscast that played during ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth'' #951, indicating the two issues are happening concurrently.
*** Bizarro's origin is directly tied to the events of ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil''.
*** Issue #9 has Jason acknowledging his time with Roy and Kori.
*** Jason uses the All-Blades and alludes to the All-Caste in issue #11.
*** Issues #16 and #17 have the Outlaws and the Suicide Squad travelling to the Colony, where the events of [[ComicBook/New52 The Culling]] took place. These issues also have Jason and Killer Croc on speaking terms due their common friendship with Roy.



* ContinuityNod:
** Issue #8 shows a newscast that played during ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth'' #951, indicating the two issues are happening concurrently.
** Bizarro's origin is directly tied to the events of ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil''.
** Issue #9 has Jason acknowledging his time with Roy and Kori.
** Jason uses the All-Blades and alludes to the All-Caste in issue #11.
** Issues #16 and #17 have the Outlaws and the Suicide Squad travelling to the Colony, where the events of the Culling took place. These issues also have Jason and Killer Croc on speaking terms due their common friendship with Roy.
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** Some occurs with the guest appearance of the Knights in issue #15. For example, Batwoman's chest logo is rendered inconsistently (both compared to its usual look and from panel-to-panel) and her wig is colored a more natural-looking dark orange than the usual bright red.
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** They temporally used Ma Gunn's Home for the Criminally Impaired as one.

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** They temporally temporarily used Ma Gunn's Home for the Criminally Impaired as one.



** Some occurs with the guest appearance of the Knights in issue #15. For example, Batwoman's chest logo is rendered inconsistently both compared to its usual look and from panel-to-panel, and her wig is colored a more natural-looking dark orange than the usual bright red.

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** Some occurs with the guest appearance of the Knights in issue #15. For example, Batwoman's chest logo is rendered inconsistently both (both compared to its usual look and from panel-to-panel, panel-to-panel) and her wig is colored a more natural-looking dark orange than the usual bright red.
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** Bizarro's origin are directly tied to ComicBook/ForeverEvil's events
** Issue #9 has Jason acknowledging his time with Roy and Kori
** Jason uses the All-Blades and alludes to the All-Caste on issue 11
** Issue #16 and Issue 17 have The Outlaws and the Suicide Squad travelling to the Colony, where the events of the Culling took place. These issues also have Jason and Killer Croc on talking terms due their common friendship with Roy.

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** Bizarro's origin are is directly tied to ComicBook/ForeverEvil's events
the events of ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil''.
** Issue #9 has Jason acknowledging his time with Roy and Kori
Kori.
** Jason uses the All-Blades and alludes to the All-Caste on in issue 11
#11.
** Issue Issues #16 and Issue 17 #17 have The the Outlaws and the Suicide Squad travelling to the Colony, where the events of the Culling took place. These issues also have Jason and Killer Croc on talking speaking terms due their common friendship with Roy.



* HomeBase: As of issue 16 there have been three different ones:
** At the start of the series Jason had set his hideout on an abandoned bomb shelter under a police precint. It was destroyed during the fight against Black Mask
** They temporally used Ma Gunn's ''Home for the Criminally Impaired'' as one
** Currently they reside on a massive floating building built by Bizarro after being turned into a genius.

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* HomeBase: As of issue 16 #16, there have been three different ones:
** At the start of the series series, Jason had set his hideout on in an abandoned bomb shelter under a police precint. precinct. It was destroyed during the fight against Black Mask
Mask.
** They temporally used Ma Gunn's ''Home Home for the Criminally Impaired'' Impaired as one
one.
** Currently they reside on in a massive floating building built by Bizarro after being he was turned into a genius.



* LetsYouAndHimFight: In issue #15, The Outlaws' activities got the attention of the team from ''[[ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth Detective Comics]]'' (led by ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}). After they kidnap Bizarro for interrogation, Jason and Artemis arrive at the Belfry leading to a full blown brawl between the two teams.
* OffModel: All over the place in issue #7 due art duties being handled by a guest artist.

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* LetsYouAndHimFight: In issue #15, The Outlaws' activities got attract the attention of the team Gotham Knights from ''[[ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth Detective Comics]]'' (led by ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}). ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}) when Bizarro broadcasts a suspicious message declaring all Gotham vigilantes but the Outlaws unnecessary. After they the Knights kidnap Bizarro for interrogation, Jason and Artemis arrive at the Belfry Belfry, leading to a full blown full-blown brawl between the two teams.
* OffModel: OffModel:
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All over the place in issue #7 due art duties being handled by a guest artist.artist.
** Some occurs with the guest appearance of the Knights in issue #15. For example, Batwoman's chest logo is rendered inconsistently both compared to its usual look and from panel-to-panel, and her wig is colored a more natural-looking dark orange than the usual bright red.



* ReverseMole: The entire concept of this iteration of the Outlaws is based on this. With Jason leading Artemis and Bizarro on a crusade against the crime in Gotham City while posing as criminals themselves. Currently, only Batman, Nightwing and Red Robin are aware of this.

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* ReverseMole: The entire concept of this iteration of the Outlaws is based on this. With this, with Jason leading Artemis and Bizarro on a crusade against the crime in Gotham City while posing as criminals themselves. Currently, only Only Batman, Nightwing Nightwing, and Red Robin are aware of this.this for certain.
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* ContinuityNod: Issue #8 shows a newscast that played during ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth'' #951, indicating the two issues are happening concurrently.

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* ContinuityNod: ContinuityNod:
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Issue #8 shows a newscast that played during ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth'' #951, indicating the two issues are happening concurrently.concurrently.
** Bizarro's origin are directly tied to ComicBook/ForeverEvil's events
** Issue #9 has Jason acknowledging his time with Roy and Kori
** Jason uses the All-Blades and alludes to the All-Caste on issue 11
** Issue #16 and Issue 17 have The Outlaws and the Suicide Squad travelling to the Colony, where the events of the Culling took place. These issues also have Jason and Killer Croc on talking terms due their common friendship with Roy.



* HomeBase: As of issue 16 there have been three different ones:
** At the start of the series Jason had set his hideout on an abandoned bomb shelter under a police precint. It was destroyed during the fight against Black Mask
** They temporally used Ma Gunn's ''Home for the Criminally Impaired'' as one
** Currently they reside on a massive floating building built by Bizarro after being turned into a genius.



* LetsYouAndHimFight: In issue #15, Bizarro broadcasts a city-wide message proclaiming that the Outlaws are the only vigilantes the city needs, which attracts the attention of the team from ''[[ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth Detective Comics]]'' (led by ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}), who are suspicious of the message. After they kidnap Bizarro for interrogation, Jason and Artemis arrive at the Belfry and engage them.
* OffModel: In issue #15, Batwoman's chest logo is rendered inconsistently (both in comparison to its usual look and panel-to-panel) and her wig is colored a more natural-looking shade of dark orange than the usual bright red.

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* LetsYouAndHimFight: In issue #15, Bizarro broadcasts a city-wide message proclaiming that the Outlaws are the only vigilantes the city needs, which attracts The Outlaws' activities got the attention of the team from ''[[ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth Detective Comics]]'' (led by ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}), who are suspicious of the message. ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}). After they kidnap Bizarro for interrogation, Jason and Artemis arrive at the Belfry and engage them.
leading to a full blown brawl between the two teams.
* OffModel: In All over the place in issue #15, Batwoman's chest logo is rendered inconsistently (both in comparison to its usual look and panel-to-panel) and her wig is colored #7 due art duties being handled by a more natural-looking shade of dark orange than the usual bright red.guest artist.



* ReverseMole: Jason investigates Black Mask's growing empire by reasserting his status as a villain in the eyes of the Gotham underworld, which understandably makes Batman nervous.

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* ReverseMole: Jason investigates Black Mask's growing empire by reasserting his status as a villain in the eyes The entire concept of this iteration of the Outlaws is based on this. With Jason leading Artemis and Bizarro on a crusade against the crime in Gotham underworld, which understandably makes Batman nervous.City while posing as criminals themselves. Currently, only Batman, Nightwing and Red Robin are aware of this.


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** Lobdell loves to put literary references on his stories focused on Bizarro. Issue #7 cover is a direct one to Steinbeck's ''Of Mice and Men'' while the entire plot of Bizarro Reborn is a huge shoutout to Keyes' ''Flowers for Algernon''
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* NamesTheSame: The "Bizarro Reborn" arc introduces a group of creatures called Colony, which is the same name as the military group introduced in the first arc of ''Detective Comics (Rebirth)''. It doesn't help that the ''Detective'' team also shows up in the story.
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* [[Really700YearsOld Really 400 Years old]]: S'aru the Protector.

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* [[Really700YearsOld Really 400 Years old]]: old]]:
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S'aru the Protector.



* ShooOutTheNewGuy: According to WordOfGod, Crux was going to be a member of the team; but fans disliked him and the writer decided he didn't fit in. Crux is last seen being sent to Arkham Asylum.

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* ShooOutTheNewGuy: According to WordOfGod, Crux was going to be a member of the team; team, but fans disliked him and the writer decided he didn't fit in. Crux is last seen being sent to Arkham Asylum.


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* NamesTheSame: The "Bizarro Reborn" arc introduces a group of creatures called Colony, which is the same name as the military group introduced in the first arc of ''Detective Comics (Rebirth)''. It doesn't help that the ''Detective'' team also shows up in the story.
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* JerkAssBall: Some of the *Detective Comics* team take ahold of one in issue #15 by acting noticably more abrasive than usual, even toward each other and even in the context of their skirmish with the Outlaws.

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* JerkAssBall: Some of the *Detective Comics* ''Detective Comics'' team take ahold of one in issue #15 by acting noticably more abrasive than usual, even toward each other and even in the context of their skirmish with the Outlaws.
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