History ComicBook / DarkReign

5th Apr '18 9:15:29 AM Hjortron18
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* LyingCreator: Matt Fraction listed several things in interviews that were supposed to come up in ''Utopia'', like a fight between Colossus and Ares or Sentry, or interaction between Noh-Varr and girls from New X-Men. Yeah, we're still waiting on that. Dan Slott said that return of [[spoiler: Scarlet Witch]] in ''Mighty Avengers'' is the real deal, while it turned out [[spoiler: It's Loki]]. Creator/BrianMichaelBendis' has habit of doing it but currently the solicitations of his comics are a better example. Don't even try to guess plot points based on those, because they're wrong.
** [[spoiler: She does come back later, though, and offered to try and undo the Decimation after a CooldownHug with Wiccan.]]



* UnexpectedCharacter: No one saw Nate Grey, who'd last been seen 8 years ago, to return.
5th Apr '18 5:26:36 AM Hjortron18
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* TheAtoner: Subverted. Osborn ''loves'' playing this card in televised interviews whenever somebody attempts to remind the public that he was the fricking ''Green Goblin''.

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* TheAtoner: TheAtoner:
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Subverted. Osborn ''loves'' playing this card in televised interviews whenever somebody attempts to remind the public that he was the fricking ''Green Goblin''.



** Somewhat averted in the main [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor title]] and elsewhere, [[spoiler:Loki planned for his own death to avoid going to Hel, the land of the dead, and was both the source and the solution for the key problems plaguing Asgard after SIEGE. He has hinted to wanting to try and change, so it is yet to know how much is an act and how much may have been genuine.]]

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** *** Somewhat averted in the main [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor title]] and elsewhere, [[spoiler:Loki planned for his own death to avoid going to Hel, the land of the dead, and was both the source and the solution for the key problems plaguing Asgard after SIEGE. He has hinted to wanting to try and change, so it is yet to know how much is an act and how much may have been genuine.]]



* TheChessmaster: Zodiac - When he entered the scene, ''everybody'', including the ComicBook/FantasticFour, Osborn, and all of H.A.M.M.E.R. turned into his puppets and remained that way until he got what he wanted.
** And he even arranged things like Whirlwind's stint as Osborn's chauffeur and Manslaughter Marsdale's coma before the series started.

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* TheChessmaster: TheChessmaster:
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Zodiac - When he entered the scene, ''everybody'', including the ComicBook/FantasticFour, Osborn, and all of H.A.M.M.E.R. turned into his puppets and remained that way until he got what he wanted.
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wanted. And he even arranged things like Whirlwind's stint as Osborn's chauffeur and Manslaughter Marsdale's coma before the series started.



* CostumeCopycat: Most of the Dark Avengers members wear the outfits of existing superheroes and Clint had taken Ronin's identity and costume when he resurrected, which was previously used by Echo.

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* CostumeCopycat: CostumeCopycat:
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Most of the Dark Avengers members wear the outfits of existing superheroes and Clint had taken Ronin's identity and costume when he resurrected, which was previously used by Echo.



* DepravedBisexual: While he used it only to ''mock'' Venom, Daken has hooked up with people of all stripes, and thinks nothing of manipulating them for something he wants and killing them (directly or indirectly) when he's done with them. He even [[HoYay ''kisses Bullseye in the mouth'']] in his ''Siege'' tie-in. And then readers found out the whole scene was AllJustADream fed into Daken's head to show how screwed over he'd be if he didn't accept help from the fates.

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* DepravedBisexual: DepravedBisexual:
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While he used it only to ''mock'' Venom, Daken has hooked up with people of all stripes, and thinks nothing of manipulating them for something he wants and killing them (directly or indirectly) when he's done with them. He even [[HoYay ''kisses Bullseye in the mouth'']] in his ''Siege'' tie-in. And then readers found out the whole scene was AllJustADream fed into Daken's head to show how screwed over he'd be if he didn't accept help from the fates.



* FanNickname: Lyra is called ''Thulkdra'' which was lampshaded when they put this nickname on one of her mini's variant covers. Molecule Man's team (despite being a [[spoiler: RedHerring]]) is called "The League Of Ultimate Evil [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg And Enchantress]]".
** Bullseye in Hawkeye's costume is called "Bullhawk"
** Daken earned himself the name Trollverine.



* ForTheEvulz: Zodiac doesn't have any general reason to be evil, he just likes it.

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* ForTheEvulz: ForTheEvulz:
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Zodiac doesn't have any general reason to be evil, he just likes it.



* GainaxEnding: The ''Dark Avengers'' lead-in to ''Siege'' seems to show that [[spoiler: Sentry/Void]] is basically an aspect of God Himself. Then, in ''Siege'', [[spoiler: his human side decides to stop living, and lets Thor kill him before any of it goes anywhere.]]
* GambitPileup: Pretty much possible this will happen in Siege with Norman revealing his secret ally, Loki setting his schemes to the final phase, Daken and Moonstone with Bullseye making their moves against Osborn, Taskmaster looking for a chance to get the hell out of there, [[spoiler: Scourge]] brainwashed by Agents Of Atlas to kill Norman, Pym's and Barton's Avengers with Captain America getting in the middle of it, Tony Stark trying to help, [[spoiler: return of Ultron]], Hela revealing her deal with Dani Moonstar, Thor or Balder's defense plans and Sentry/Void as unpredictable factor.

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* GainaxEnding: The ''Dark Avengers'' lead-in to ''Siege'' seems to show that [[spoiler: Sentry/Void]] [[spoiler:Sentry/Void]] is basically an aspect of God Himself. Then, in ''Siege'', [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his human side decides to stop living, and lets Thor kill him before any of it goes anywhere.]]
* GambitPileup: Pretty much possible this will happen in Siege with Norman revealing his secret ally, Loki setting his schemes to the final phase, Daken and Moonstone with Bullseye making their moves against Osborn, Taskmaster looking for a chance to get the hell out of there, [[spoiler: Scourge]] [[spoiler:Scourge]] brainwashed by Agents Of Atlas to kill Norman, Pym's and Barton's Avengers with Captain America getting in the middle of it, Tony Stark trying to help, [[spoiler: return [[spoiler:return of Ultron]], Hela revealing her deal with Dani Moonstar, Thor or Balder's defense plans and Sentry/Void as unpredictable factor.



-->'''[[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]]''': Of course not. I'll do it. (Kicks Sentry in the nuts.)

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-->'''[[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]]''': Of course not. I'll do it. (Kicks ''[kicks Sentry in the nuts.)]''



* HeroWithBadPublicity: ComicBook/IronMan, who in a subversion of this trope, DID fuck things up big time and pretty much brought all of his troubles upon him. [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Jessica Drew]], because the Skrulls' [[spoiler: leader was disguised as her, and even some heroes think she might still be the Skrull Queen.]] Not exactly an easy reputation to live down, especially when in the past she's been a member of HYDRA, a terrorist/spying group.

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* HeroWithBadPublicity: HeroWithBadPublicity:
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ComicBook/IronMan, who in a subversion of this trope, DID fuck things up big time and pretty much brought all of his troubles upon him. [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Jessica Drew]], because the Skrulls' [[spoiler: leader [[spoiler:leader was disguised as her, and even some heroes think she might still be the Skrull Queen.]] Not exactly an easy reputation to live down, especially when in the past she's been a member of HYDRA, a terrorist/spying group.



** [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]], who has been [[spoiler: exiled from Asgard after Loki's scheme led him to killing his own grandfather]].

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** [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]], who has been [[spoiler: exiled [[spoiler:exiled from Asgard after Loki's scheme led him to killing his own grandfather]].



** Doc Samson, after Osborn used ThePlan to force him into nearly killing UsefulNotes/BarackObama and splashed it all over the news. [[spoiler: Samson has a FaceHeelTurn completely unrelated to this incident, and thus doesn't really give a damn about it anymore.]]
* HesBack: [[spoiler: Steve Rogers]]. '''AvengersAssemble!'''

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** Doc Samson, after Osborn used ThePlan to force him into nearly killing UsefulNotes/BarackObama and splashed it all over the news. [[spoiler: Samson [[spoiler:Samson has a FaceHeelTurn completely unrelated to this incident, and thus doesn't really give a damn about it anymore.]]
* HesBack: [[spoiler: Steve [[spoiler:Steve Rogers]]. '''AvengersAssemble!'''



** [[spoiler: Pregnant Lilly]] reappears in ''Ms. Marvel'' but mostly because Brian Reed is using this comic in his efforts to join ''The Amazing Spider-Man'' writing staff.

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** [[spoiler: Pregnant [[spoiler:Pregnant Lilly]] reappears in ''Ms. Marvel'' but mostly because Brian Reed is using this comic in his efforts to join ''The Amazing Spider-Man'' writing staff.



* YourMindMakesItReal: Sort of. Erebus has always existed in the Marvelverse, but now that Hades/Pluto is no longer interested in maintaining the souls of the dead, it altered itself to become an arena of games of chance. Which, in modern minds, equals casino. It's also been relocated to Atlantic City.

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* YourMindMakesItReal: Sort of. Erebus has always existed in the Marvelverse, but now that Hades/Pluto is no longer interested in maintaining the souls of the dead, it altered itself to become an arena of games of chance. Which, in modern minds, equals casino. It's also been relocated to Atlantic City.City.

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29th Jan '18 6:37:28 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** It's worth nothing that Gyring managed then to be pain even in Osborn's butt, making him possibly biggest tyrant of them all.

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** It's worth nothing that Gyring Gyrich managed then to be pain even in Osborn's butt, making him possibly biggest tyrant of them all.all.
* UnexpectedCharacter: No one saw Nate Grey, who'd last been seen 8 years ago, to return.
29th Jan '18 6:33:28 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** Osborn again by [[ComicBook/XMan Nate Grey]], who plays the entire Dark X-Men and Dark Avengers like a harp. Unfortunately, Osborn has the last laugh, as Nate makes a fatal miscalculation as regards the Green Goblin persona.

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** Osborn again by [[ComicBook/XMan Nate Grey]], who plays the entire Dark X-Men and Dark Avengers like a harp. harp, nearly dismantling the entirety of Osborn's organisation in a day. Unfortunately, Osborn has the last laugh, as Nate makes a fatal miscalculation as regards the Green Goblin persona.persona (which he intended to unleash and put in control, destroying Osborn's VillainWithGoodPublicity image). However, since Osborn snapped very shortly afterwards during ''{{ComicBook/Siege}}'', with Goblin make-up on his face, it could be argued that Nate's plan ultimately worked.
29th Dec '17 3:58:17 PM nombretomado
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* DeathIsCheap: Explained in ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules'' as resurrection having become ''literally'' random chance, represented by casino games, thanks to assorted gods of the dead either having been destroyed or having abandoned their positions. Multiple heroes (including the recently offed Wasp), villains, and civilians are gambling for either an afterlife or a second chance, and in a joke harking back to the GeoffJohns run on the Avengers, and ''Avengers Disassembled'', Jack of Hearts wins his resurrection while Herc and Cho are visiting (though he has yet to actually return).

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* DeathIsCheap: Explained in ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules'' as resurrection having become ''literally'' random chance, represented by casino games, thanks to assorted gods of the dead either having been destroyed or having abandoned their positions. Multiple heroes (including the recently offed Wasp), villains, and civilians are gambling for either an afterlife or a second chance, and in a joke harking back to the GeoffJohns Creator/GeoffJohns run on the Avengers, and ''Avengers Disassembled'', Jack of Hearts wins his resurrection while Herc and Cho are visiting (though he has yet to actually return).
20th Jun '17 11:58:57 AM Silverblade2
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After ComicBook/SecretInvasion, the general public blames ComicBook/IronMan, then director of ComicBook/{{SHIELD}}, for not preventing the AlienInvasion. Meanwhile, Franchise/SpiderMan's Arch Enemy ComicBook/NormanOsborn, leader of the ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}, gains himself some ''huge'' points in the battle of public opinion, as news networks featured him being a leader in the fight against the Skrulls, and eventually ending the entire conflict by blowing the head off the Skrull queen before any of the assembled heroes could kill her. This televised act of heroism (which may have been staged, depending on whether you believe SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} or not) led The President to dismiss Stark and replace him with Osborn. Norman, very happy with how things went, quickly replaced S.H.I.E.L.D. with his own organization, H.A.M.M.E.R., and formed the Cabal - an alliance between him, ComicBook/EmmaFrost, [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]], Comicbook/{{Loki}}, ComicBook/TheHood, and ComicBook/DoctorDoom. He also creates his own, twisted version of the ComicBook/TheAvengers - Dark Avengers, with most of the team members being supervillains in heroes' costumes led by Osborn himself in an Iron Man armor with a Red, White and Blue paint job, under the name of "Iron Patriot". At the same time, he sets up a plan to replace and kill half of his former Thunderbolts teammates, as they might have information that would make him look less appealing to the public at large (the other half joined the Dark Avengers). His allies from The Cabal are plotting against him, many heroes and a few villains want to get rid of him, but Osborn doesn't seem to care -- he has a mysterious ally, somebody who can instill fear even in his fellow members of The Cabal.

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After ComicBook/SecretInvasion, the general public blames ComicBook/IronMan, then director of ComicBook/{{SHIELD}}, for not preventing the AlienInvasion. Meanwhile, Franchise/SpiderMan's Arch Enemy ComicBook/NormanOsborn, leader of the ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}, gains himself some ''huge'' points in the battle of public opinion, as news networks featured him being a leader in the fight against the Skrulls, and eventually ending the entire conflict by blowing the head off the Skrull queen before any of the assembled heroes could kill her. This televised act of heroism (which may have been staged, depending on whether you believe SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} or not) led The President to dismiss Stark and replace him with Osborn. Norman, very happy with how things went, quickly replaced S.H.I.E.L.D. with his own organization, H.A.M.M.E.R., and formed the Cabal - an alliance between him, ComicBook/EmmaFrost, [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]], Comicbook/{{Loki}}, ComicBook/TheHood, and ComicBook/DoctorDoom. He also creates his own, twisted version of the ComicBook/TheAvengers - Dark Avengers, with most of the team members being supervillains in heroes' costumes led by Osborn himself in an Iron Man armor with a Red, White and Blue paint job, under the name of "Iron Patriot". At the same time, he sets up a plan to replace and kill half of his former Thunderbolts teammates, as they might have information that would make him look less appealing to the public at large (the other half joined the Dark Avengers). His allies from The Cabal are plotting against him, many heroes and a few villains want to get rid of him, but Osborn doesn't seem to care -- he has a mysterious ally, somebody who can instill fear even in his fellow members of The Cabal.



** ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}[=/=]SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}: Magnum Ops'', where Osborn sends his team of killers after Wilson

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** ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}[=/=]SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}: ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}[=/=]ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}: Magnum Ops'', where Osborn sends his team of killers after Wilson



* CaptainErsatz: For some people, Zodiac is a little too similar to Film/TheDarkKnight's version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in his actions. And he looks like [[Manga/DeathNote Light Yagami]].

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* CaptainErsatz: For some people, Zodiac is a little too similar to Film/TheDarkKnight's version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker in his actions. And he looks like [[Manga/DeathNote Light Yagami]].
17th Jun '17 9:26:02 AM nombretomado
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** One of the last pages of ''[[GrandFinale Siege]]'' shows the skyline of New York, as a digitally written "[[spoiler: Superhero Registration Act thrown out]]" scrolls on a building. It almost seems the panel originally had confetti in it, really. Just add confetti and you'll have evidence that most of the writers had really ''had enough'' of the bucketload of crap JoeQuesada has put the MarvelUniverse through. But since Quesada (as you can see in his comments about ''Siege'' in the pages of the miniseries itself) was so ''proud'' of the whole [[FromACertainPointOfView epic]] saga made up of the various [[StoryArc Story Arcs]] (ComicBook/AvengersDisassembled, ComicBook/CivilWar - and by extension, given it was exactly what Quesada was aiming at, ComicBook/OneMoreDay - ComicBook/SecretInvasion and now this), maybe he himself demanded the confetti to be removed.

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** One of the last pages of ''[[GrandFinale Siege]]'' shows the skyline of New York, as a digitally written "[[spoiler: Superhero Registration Act thrown out]]" scrolls on a building. It almost seems the panel originally had confetti in it, really. Just add confetti and you'll have evidence that most of the writers had really ''had enough'' of the bucketload of crap JoeQuesada Creator/JoeQuesada has put the MarvelUniverse through. But since Quesada (as you can see in his comments about ''Siege'' in the pages of the miniseries itself) was so ''proud'' of the whole [[FromACertainPointOfView epic]] saga made up of the various [[StoryArc Story Arcs]] (ComicBook/AvengersDisassembled, ComicBook/CivilWar - and by extension, given it was exactly what Quesada was aiming at, ComicBook/OneMoreDay - ComicBook/SecretInvasion and now this), maybe he himself demanded the confetti to be removed.
12th Jun '17 4:26:47 AM AndyLA
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* AndThenWhat: Clint has a plan to solve all the crisis: kill Norman Osbourne. Captain America first pointed the moral concerns, and then asked. Let's say you do that, then what? The others want to go to California to help Wolverine. He has the same question, go to California, and then what?

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* AndThenWhat: Clint has a plan to solve all the crisis: kill Norman Osbourne.Osborn. Captain America first pointed the moral concerns, and then asked. Let's say you do that, then what? The others want to go to California to help Wolverine. He has the same question, go to California, and then what?



** Norman Osbourne has the death of Punisher in his "To do" list. Hammer locates the abandoned warehouse where he has set his base. A tecnician proposed to deploy forces around it, to cover all exits and surround him. Norman refused the idea, that's a waste of time. It's just a man in a truck. You simply have to load the torpedos, aim to the whole port area, fire, and watch it all blow up. [[spoiler:as you may suspect, it was not enough]]

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** Norman Osbourne Osborn has the death of Punisher in his "To do" list. Hammer locates the abandoned warehouse where he has set his base. A tecnician proposed to deploy forces around it, to cover all exits and surround him. Norman refused the idea, that's a waste of time. It's just a man in a truck. You simply have to load the torpedos, aim to the whole port area, fire, and watch it all blow up. [[spoiler:as you may suspect, it was not enough]]
12th Jun '17 4:22:48 AM AndyLA
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After ComicBook/SecretInvasion, the general public blames ComicBook/IronMan, then director of ComicBook/{{SHIELD}}, for not preventing the AlienInvasion. Meanwhile, Franchise/SpiderMan's Arch Enemy ComicBook/NormanOsborn, leader of the ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}, gains himself some ''huge'' points in the battle of public opinion, as news networks featured him being a leader in the fight against the Skrulls, and eventually ending the entire conflict by blowing the head off the Skrull queen before any of the assembled heroes could kill her. This televised act of heroism (which may have been staged, depending on whether you believe SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} or not) led The President to dismiss Stark and replace him with Osborn. Norman, very happy with how things went, quickly replaced S.H.I.E.L.D. with his own organization, H.A.M.M.E.R., and formed the Cabal - an alliance between him, ComicBook/EmmaFrost, [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]], Comicbook/{{Loki}}, ComicBook/TheHood, and ComicBook/DoctorDoom. He also creates his own, twisted version of the ComicBook/TheAvengers - Dark Avengers, with most of the team members being supervillains in heroes' costumes led by Osborn himself in Iron Man's armor, under the name of "Iron Patriot". At the same time, he sets up a plan to replace and kill half of his former Thunderbolts teammates, as they might have information that would make him look less appealing to the public at large (the other half joined the Dark Avengers). His allies from The Cabal are plotting against him, many heroes and a few villains want to get rid of him, but Osborn doesn't seem to care -- he has a mysterious ally, somebody who can instill fear even in his fellow members of The Cabal.

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After ComicBook/SecretInvasion, the general public blames ComicBook/IronMan, then director of ComicBook/{{SHIELD}}, for not preventing the AlienInvasion. Meanwhile, Franchise/SpiderMan's Arch Enemy ComicBook/NormanOsborn, leader of the ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}, gains himself some ''huge'' points in the battle of public opinion, as news networks featured him being a leader in the fight against the Skrulls, and eventually ending the entire conflict by blowing the head off the Skrull queen before any of the assembled heroes could kill her. This televised act of heroism (which may have been staged, depending on whether you believe SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} or not) led The President to dismiss Stark and replace him with Osborn. Norman, very happy with how things went, quickly replaced S.H.I.E.L.D. with his own organization, H.A.M.M.E.R., and formed the Cabal - an alliance between him, ComicBook/EmmaFrost, [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]], Comicbook/{{Loki}}, ComicBook/TheHood, and ComicBook/DoctorDoom. He also creates his own, twisted version of the ComicBook/TheAvengers - Dark Avengers, with most of the team members being supervillains in heroes' costumes led by Osborn himself in an Iron Man's armor, Man armor with a Red, White and Blue paint job, under the name of "Iron Patriot". At the same time, he sets up a plan to replace and kill half of his former Thunderbolts teammates, as they might have information that would make him look less appealing to the public at large (the other half joined the Dark Avengers). His allies from The Cabal are plotting against him, many heroes and a few villains want to get rid of him, but Osborn doesn't seem to care -- he has a mysterious ally, somebody who can instill fear even in his fellow members of The Cabal.
31st May '17 6:29:49 PM nombretomado
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** Dark Young Avengers were a little bit of this for The YoungAvengers.

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** Dark Young Avengers were a little bit of this for The YoungAvengers.ComicBook/YoungAvengers.
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