History CombatPragmatist / LiveActionTV

4th Jan '17 1:26:56 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since this is a series where things don't go well for those who place HonorBeforeReason, there are many examples of characters winning this way. Though the series on the whole emphasizes this far moreso than the books which still insists on the superiority of classic swordsmanship, castle training and military service over undisciplined back-alley sneak attacks.


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** Loras Tyrell unhorses Gregor Clegane in the Tourney of the Hand by riding a mare in heat against Gregor's ill-tempered stallion. Characters disagree on whether this is cheating.
** Jaime pulls a dagger and stabs his opponent in the eye with his off hand when their swords become locked in "The Wolf and the Lion".
** Yoren forces a gold cloak to surrender by holding a dagger to his femoral artery, stating that men are so worried about their throats that they forget everywhere else.
** Brienne wins a tourney despite being disarmed by tackling her opponent and drawing a dagger.
** Lord Tywin scolds Jaime for sparing Ned in the name of a clean fight and asks Tyrion why killing 10,000 men in battle is more noble than murdering a dozen.
** Oberyn demonstrates that dagger beats sword in a QuickDraw in "Two Swords". Later, he uses light armour, HitAndRunTactics, and taunting against a larger and stronger opponent.
** In "The Mountain and the Viper", Arya declares that anyone who shuns a method of killing as dishonorable will never be a great killer.
** Obara Sand allows Nymeria to imply that Obara will stand aside while she and Trystane Martell fight a duel, then stabs Nymeria's opponent from behind without a fight.
11th Dec '16 3:50:46 AM RobTan
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** A flashback to the Tower of Joy shows how Ned Stark beat the legendary Arthur "Sword of the Morning" Dayne- he didn't. Arthur slaughtered Ned's comrades and, in a one on one fight, dominated Ned and had him on his back, but, before he could deliver the killing blow, Howland Reed ran up and knifed Dayne in the throat from behind.

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** A flashback to the Tower of Joy shows how Ned Stark beat the legendary Arthur "Sword of the Morning" Dayne- he didn't. Arthur slaughtered Ned's comrades and, in a one on one fight, dominated Ned and had him on knocked his back, sword out of his hand, but, before he could deliver the killing blow, Howland Reed ran up and knifed Dayne in the throat from behind.
11th Dec '16 3:45:33 AM RobTan
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** A flashback to the Tower of Joy shows how Ned Stark beat the legendary Arthur "Sword of the Morning" Dayne- he didn't. Arthur slaughtered Ned's comrades and, in a one on one fight, dominated Ned and had him on his back, but, before he could deliver the killing blow, Howland Reed ran up and knifed him in the tjroat from behind.

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** A flashback to the Tower of Joy shows how Ned Stark beat the legendary Arthur "Sword of the Morning" Dayne- he didn't. Arthur slaughtered Ned's comrades and, in a one on one fight, dominated Ned and had him on his back, but, before he could deliver the killing blow, Howland Reed ran up and knifed him Dayne in the tjroat throat from behind.
11th Dec '16 3:43:58 AM RobTan
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** A flashback to the Tower of Joy shows how Ned Stark beat the legendary Arthur "Sword of the Morning" Dayne- he didn't. Arthur slaughtered Ned's comrades and, in a one on one fight, dominated Ned and had him on his back, but, before he could deliver the killing blow, Howland Reed ran up and knifed him in the tjroat from behind.
10th Dec '16 7:46:27 AM FordPrefect
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** While in professional wrestling cheating to win a match usually makes you a [[{{Heel}} bad guy]], several noted wrestlers have gotten famous as nontraditional [[{{Face}} babyfaces]] who beat the heels through all manner of dirty tricks. The two most famous examples would probably be EddieGuerrero, who would win matches by (among other things) throwing a chair to an opponent and flopping to the mat as though he had been hit and was one of the most beloved men in the industry despite having "I lie, I cheat, I steal" as his personal slogan, and the legendary RicFlair, world renowned as "The Dirtiest Player in the Game" who would beat the opposition with eye gouges and the dreaded "[[GroinAttack testicular claw]]".

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** While in professional wrestling cheating to win a match usually makes you a [[{{Heel}} bad guy]], several noted wrestlers have gotten famous as nontraditional [[{{Face}} babyfaces]] who beat the heels through all manner of dirty tricks. The two most famous examples would probably be EddieGuerrero, who would win matches by (among other things) throwing a chair to an opponent [[EasilyDistractedReferee behind the referee's back]] and flopping to the mat as though he had been hit (thus getting them disqualified) and was one of the most beloved men in the industry despite having "I lie, I cheat, I steal" as his personal slogan, and the legendary RicFlair, world renowned as "The Dirtiest Player in the Game" who would beat the opposition with eye gouges and the dreaded "[[GroinAttack testicular claw]]".



---->'''Rimmer:''' "Lister, this isn't a Scout meeting. We're not trying to win the
----> Best-Behaved Troop flag. Gloop him."

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---->'''Rimmer:''' "Lister, this isn't a Scout meeting. We're not trying to win the
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the Best-Behaved Troop flag. Gloop him."



---->'''Simulant:''' (Pulls out gun) "But I lied twice".
* ''Series/{{Revolution}}'': Miles prefers to just kill his enemies, so they don't bother him later. "[[Recap/RevolutionS1E2ChainedHeat Chained Heat]]" has him sparing the bounty hunter Jacob at Charlie's urging, but when Jacob sells them out to the Monroe militia, Miles makes sure to kill him off the second time they meet. "[[Recap/RevolutionS1E10NobodysFaultButMine Nobody's Fault But Mine]]" has Rachel lulling the psychopath rapist Will Strausser into a false sense of security before stabbing him the heart.

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---->'''Simulant:''' (Pulls out gun) "But I lied twice".
twice."
* ''Series/{{Revolution}}'': Miles prefers to just kill his enemies, so they don't bother him later. "[[Recap/RevolutionS1E2ChainedHeat Chained Heat]]" has him sparing the bounty hunter Jacob at Charlie's urging, but when Jacob sells them out to the Monroe militia, Miles makes sure to kill him off the second time they meet. "[[Recap/RevolutionS1E10NobodysFaultButMine Nobody's Fault But Mine]]" has Rachel lulling the psychopath rapist Will Strausser into a false sense of security before stabbing him in the heart.



* ''Series/TheShannaraChronicles'' has Eretria, a wandering thief who doesn't believe in fair fights. When challenged to [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fight like gentlemen]] by Amberlie, she dismounts her horse, walks up to her...and headbutts her as she's asking for a sword.

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* ''Series/TheShannaraChronicles'' has Eretria, a wandering thief who doesn't believe in fair fights. When challenged to [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fight like gentlemen]] by Amberlie, Amberle, she dismounts her horse, walks up to her...and headbutts her as she's asking for a sword.



-->'''O'Neill:''' (Holds up a staff weapon) This is a weapon of terror. It is made to intimidate the enemy. (Holds up a P90) This is a weapon of ''war''. It's made to kill your enemy.
* ''Series/StargateAtlantis'': In one early episode, Teyla hands Sheppard's as to him in a sparring match with melee weapons, and Teyla remarks that if it were a real fight, he'd be dead by now. Sheppard replies that if it were a real fight, he would have shot her by now. You don't bring a couple of sticks to a gun fight.

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-->'''O'Neill:''' (Holds up a staff weapon) This is a weapon of terror. It is It's made to intimidate the enemy. (Holds up a P90) This is a weapon of ''war''. It's made to kill ''kill'' your enemy.
* ''Series/StargateAtlantis'': In one early episode, Teyla hands Sheppard's as ass to him in a sparring match with melee weapons, and Teyla remarks that if it were a real fight, he'd be dead by now. Sheppard replies that if it were a real fight, he would have shot her by now. You don't bring a couple of sticks to a gun fight.



** Weyoun. Of the more strategic type than actual throw-downs, the idea that there are 'rules' in combat is a notion he is only aware of so that he can manipulate other people. This may be a trait of the Vorta in general, given that they are a genetically engineered race.

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** Weyoun. Of the more strategic type More about strategy than actual throw-downs, the idea that there are 'rules' in combat is a notion he is only aware of so that he can manipulate other people. This may be a trait of the Vorta in general, given that they are a genetically engineered race.



** By Klingon standards General Martok can seem like this. He is perfectly willing to perform hit and run, and strike weak enemies, and cut-off supply lines rather than directly engage. Being a Klingon, he really doesn't like these tactics (They're not very fun), but he feels that winning the war is more important than earning honor and glory in individual battles.
** Klingons as whole are this. During the invasion of Cardassia, the Klingons hide cloaked ships in debris fields following battles to ambush any potential rescue ships. When Dr. Bashir says this doesn't seem like an honorable tactic Worf merely says 'In war there is no greater honor than victory'

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** By Klingon standards General Martok can seem like this. He is perfectly willing to perform hit and run, and strike weak enemies, and cut-off supply lines rather than directly engage. Being a Klingon, he really doesn't like these tactics (They're (they're not very fun), but he feels that winning the war is more important than earning honor and glory in individual battles.
** Klingons as a whole are this. During the invasion of Cardassia, the Klingons hide cloaked ships in debris fields following battles to ambush any potential rescue ships. When Dr. Bashir says this doesn't seem like an honorable tactic tactic, Worf merely says 'In war there is no greater honor than victory'victory'.



* ''Series/TheXFiles'': Agent Scully has no hesitation when it comes to groin attacks to defend herself, or otherwise using whatever is at hand. Demonstrated early in the series and many times thereafter.

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* ''Series/TheXFiles'': Agent Scully has no hesitation when it comes to groin attacks {{groin attack}}s to defend herself, or otherwise using whatever is at hand. Demonstrated early in the series and many times thereafter.
20th Nov '16 1:54:30 PM RavenWilder
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** Even when two characters fight a formalized DuelToTheDeath, punching out one of the guards overseeing the match and stealing their weapon is considered perfectly acceptable.
6th Nov '16 6:29:55 PM katdemon1895
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*''Series/{{Agent Carter}}'': Lead character Agent Peggy Carter has no problem bashing an opponent with the nearest heavy object until they stay down and takes ruthless advantage of her opponents' preconceived notions of the feminine to get what she needs. Her roommate also shows shades of combat pragmatism if you count mental warfare as she is more than willing to burst into tears and play on Agent Thompson's chivalry and love for his grandmother in order to give Peggy time to escape.
21st Jul '16 10:36:21 AM Morgenthaler
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---->'''Simulant:''' (Pulls out gun) [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy "But I lied twice"]].

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---->'''Simulant:''' (Pulls out gun) [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy "But I lied twice"]].twice".
17th May '16 2:23:39 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''DeadliestWarrior'': Frequently argued about by supporters of warriors who prefer ambush or avoidance tactics rather than the toe-to-toe duels that the show always assumes.

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* ''DeadliestWarrior'': ''Series/DeadliestWarrior'': Frequently argued about by supporters of warriors who prefer ambush or avoidance tactics rather than the toe-to-toe duels that the show always assumes.
16th May '16 1:21:34 PM ultimomant
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** Karl Tanner spits in Jon Snow's face to blind him, kicks him in the shin during a BladeLock, and uses the environment to his advantage. Jon learned from this and uses similar tactics to defeat Styr.

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** Karl Tanner spits in Jon Snow's face to blind him, kicks him in the shin during a BladeLock, and uses the environment to his advantage. He only loses when he forgets to be pragmatic and turns his back on Jon to attack a woman who stabbed him in the back. Jon learned from this and uses similar tactics to defeat Styr.
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