History CombatPragmatist / LiveActionTV

24th Apr '17 3:25:29 PM MasterFuzzy
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** However, the Doctor usually plays with this a little in that, while he rarely gets into physical fights, he will use anything and everything he can to defeat an enemy. There's a reason the dude with the screwdriver is TheDreaded MemeticBadass, after all...



* ''Series/TheFlash2014'': Captain Cold took advantage of The Flash's drive to save people by derailing a train. After Flash saved everybody and stopped to catch his breath, Cold knocked him out from behind.

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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'': Captain Cold took advantage of The Flash's drive to save people by derailing a train. After Flash saved everybody and stopped to catch his breath, Cold knocked him out [[IncrediblyLamePun cold]] from behind.
24th Apr '17 11:10:10 AM gb00393
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** Brienne wins a tourney despite being disarmed by tackling her opponent and drawing a dagger.

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** While Brienne seems to dislike playing dirty, she's not afraid of using her sheer size and strength to her advantage, particularly if she finds herself disarmed, such as when she wins a tourney despite being disarmed by tackling her opponent and drawing a dagger.dagger, and later in her duel with Sandor Clegane, who she is ultimately forced to beat to a pulp with her bare hands after being disarmed. She will also use any advantage she gets, like punching a man in the balls, biting his ear off, clubbing him with a rock, and holding him by his armor and repeatedly punching him so he can't gain the distance to use his sword.
8th Apr '17 4:42:12 PM nombretomado
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** While in professional wrestling cheating to win a match usually makes you a [[{{Heel}} bad guy]], several noted wrestlers have gotten famous as nontraditional [[{{Face}} babyfaces]] who beat the heels through all manner of dirty tricks. The two most famous examples would probably be EddieGuerrero, who would win matches by (among other things) throwing a chair to an opponent [[EasilyDistractedReferee behind the referee's back]] and flopping to the mat as though he had been hit (thus getting them disqualified) and was one of the most beloved men in the industry despite having "I lie, I cheat, I steal" as his personal slogan, and the legendary RicFlair, world renowned as "The Dirtiest Player in the Game" who would beat the opposition with eye gouges and the dreaded "[[GroinAttack testicular claw]]".

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** While in professional wrestling cheating to win a match usually makes you a [[{{Heel}} bad guy]], several noted wrestlers have gotten famous as nontraditional [[{{Face}} babyfaces]] who beat the heels through all manner of dirty tricks. The two most famous examples would probably be EddieGuerrero, Wrestling/EddieGuerrero, who would win matches by (among other things) throwing a chair to an opponent [[EasilyDistractedReferee behind the referee's back]] and flopping to the mat as though he had been hit (thus getting them disqualified) and was one of the most beloved men in the industry despite having "I lie, I cheat, I steal" as his personal slogan, and the legendary RicFlair, Wrestling/RicFlair, world renowned as "The Dirtiest Player in the Game" who would beat the opposition with eye gouges and the dreaded "[[GroinAttack testicular claw]]".
5th Apr '17 8:55:17 PM cherrychels
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since this is a series where things don't go well for those who place HonorBeforeReason, there are many instances of characters, including heroes, winning this way. Though the television series on the whole emphasizes this far moreso than the books, which insists on the superiority of classic swordsmanship, castle training and military service over more varied methods of fighting and/or back-alley sneak attacks.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since this is a series where things don't go well for those who place HonorBeforeReason, there are many instances of characters, including heroes, heroic characters, winning this way. Though the television series on the whole emphasizes this far moreso than the books, which insists on the superiority of classic swordsmanship, castle training and military service over more varied methods of fighting and/or back-alley sneak attacks.
5th Apr '17 8:54:28 PM cherrychels
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* ''Series/{{The 100}}'': No one on this show fights fair if they can help it, but special mention goes to Clarke's fight with Anya. Over the course of the fight, Clarke throws ashes into Anya's eyes, pulls a knife on her unarmed opponent, and finally gains the upper hand by digging her fingers into an open wound that Anya had gotten earlier.

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* ''Series/{{The 100}}'': No In most instances, no one on this show fights is able to fight fair if they can help it, want to survive but special mention goes to Clarke's fight with Anya. Over the course of the fight, Clarke throws ashes into Anya's eyes, pulls a knife on her unarmed opponent, and finally gains the upper hand by digging her fingers into an open wound that Anya had gotten earlier.



** Glory is a goddess too powerful for Buffy to match in normal combat: Buffy and the gang first slug her with the hammer of a troll god and a wrecking ball and then, when Glory retreated and left control of her human body to Ben, Giles calmly walks up and smothers Ben, killing Glory in the process.

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** Glory is a goddess too powerful for Buffy to match in normal combat: Buffy and the gang first slug her with the hammer of a troll god and a wrecking ball and then, when Glory retreated retreats and left leaves control of her human body to Ben, Giles calmly walks up and smothers Ben, killing Ben to kill Glory in the process.



* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since this is a series where things don't go well for those who place HonorBeforeReason, there are many examples of characters winning this way. Though the series on the whole emphasizes this far moreso than the books which still insists on the superiority of classic swordsmanship, castle training and military service over undisciplined back-alley sneak attacks.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since this is a series where things don't go well for those who place HonorBeforeReason, there are many examples instances of characters characters, including heroes, winning this way. Though the television series on the whole emphasizes this far moreso than the books books, which still insists on the superiority of classic swordsmanship, castle training and military service over undisciplined more varied methods of fighting and/or back-alley sneak attacks.
5th Apr '17 8:42:27 PM cherrychels
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** Glory was a goddess too powerful for Buffy to match in normal combat: Buffy and the gang slugged her with the hammer of a troll god and a wrecking ball, and when Glory retreated and left control of the body to Ben, Giles calmly walked up and smothered him, killing a goddess in the process.
** Another example of this trope in Buffy is when she kicked Angelus in the groin.
** In an early episode, Buffy was at the receiving end of this when a vampire ''pulled guns on her'' (Buffy only survived because Angel staked said vampire InTheBack.

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** Glory was is a goddess too powerful for Buffy to match in normal combat: Buffy and the gang slugged first slug her with the hammer of a troll god and a wrecking ball, ball and then, when Glory retreated and left control of the her human body to Ben, Giles calmly walked walks up and smothered him, smothers Ben, killing a goddess Glory in the process.
** Another example of this trope in Buffy ''Buffy'' is when she Buffy kicked Angelus in the groin.
** In an early episode, Buffy was at the receiving end of this when a vampire ''pulled guns on her'' (Buffy only survived because Angel staked said vampire InTheBack.)
5th Apr '17 8:39:39 PM cherrychels
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** One of the Nietzschean's [[PlanetOfHats hats]], Nietzschean crewmembers Tyr Anasazi and later Telemachus Rhade are usually the first ones to suggest retreating and/or [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder selling out their allies]] when a situation appears hopeless. It might seem odd considering their ProudWarriorRace status but meshes quite well with their SocialDarwinism, especially considering that their definition of "fittest" is "lives longest and sires the most children".

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** One of the Nietzschean's [[PlanetOfHats hats]], Nietzschean crewmembers crew members Tyr Anasazi and later Telemachus Rhade are usually the first ones to suggest retreating and/or [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder selling out their allies]] when a situation appears hopeless. It might seem odd considering their ProudWarriorRace status but meshes quite well with their SocialDarwinism, especially considering that their definition of "fittest" is "lives longest and sires the most children".



* In ''{{Deadwood}}'' this trope is omnipresent, resulting in very short confrontations, the majority involving guns. One of the most violent characters [[LampshadeHanging hangs a lampshade]] on the avoidance of a fair fight, just after one had happened - and even that was an extremely messy affair where the guy who was going for torture over the quick kill lost, despite having the advantage.
* ''Series/DoctorWho'': the Doctor usually [[TechnicalPacifist shys away from guns]]. Not so for the Sixth Doctor, who upon faced with an army of Cybermen simply picks up a blaster and dispatches the lot.

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* In ''{{Deadwood}}'' this trope is omnipresent, resulting in very short confrontations, the majority involving guns. One of the most violent characters [[LampshadeHanging hangs a lampshade]] on the avoidance of a fair fight, just after one had happened - -- and even that was an extremely messy affair where the guy who was going for torture over the quick kill lost, despite having the advantage.
* ''Series/DoctorWho'': the Doctor usually [[TechnicalPacifist shys shies away from guns]]. Not so for the Sixth Doctor, who upon faced with an army of Cybermen simply picks up a blaster and dispatches the lot.



** Though starting out quite idealistic, by Season 4, Jon is able to make the hard call to not respond to a group of Wildlings slaughtering nearby villages, especially since he knows full well it's a distraction for an attack on the Wall itself. As mentioned above, he shoves a sword through the back of lead-mutineer Karl's skull when the situation called for it. Even his overall fighting style is becoming more and more like this as, during the Wildlings' attack on the Wall, Jon uses a mixture of kicks and the environment around him, as well as typical swordplay, to kill several enemy combatants. He's fully fallen into this trope by Season 6, most notably when he's challenged by a bow-wielding Ramsay. Jon throws aside his Valyrian steel sword in favor of a simple shield lying in the mud, which he uses to block all of Ramsay's arrows, close the distance, and pummel him into submission.
** A flashback to the Tower of Joy shows how Ned Stark beat the legendary Arthur "Sword of the Morning" Dayne- he didn't. Arthur slaughtered Ned's comrades and, in a one on one fight, dominated Ned and knocked his sword out of his hand, but, before he could deliver the killing blow, Howland Reed ran up and knifed Dayne in the throat from behind.

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** Though starting out quite idealistic, by Season 4, Jon is able to make the hard call to not respond to a group of Wildlings slaughtering nearby villages, especially since he knows full well it's a distraction for an attack on the Wall itself. As mentioned above, he shoves a sword through the back of lead-mutineer Karl's skull when the situation called calls for it. Even In his overall fighting style is becoming more and more like this as, during the Wildlings' attack on the Wall, Jon uses a mixture of kicks and the environment around him, as well as typical swordplay, to kill several enemy combatants. He's fully fallen into this trope by In Season 6, most notably when he's challenged by a bow-wielding Ramsay. [[BastardBastard Ramsay]], Jon throws aside his Valyrian steel sword in favor of a simple shield lying in the mud, which he uses the shield to block all of Ramsay's arrows, close the distance, arrows Ramsay fires at him, closes the distance between them, and pummel pummels him into submission.
** A flashback to the Tower of Joy shows how Ned Stark beat the legendary Arthur "Sword of the Morning" Dayne- he didn't. Arthur slaughtered Dayne -- but it turns out Ned didn't outmatch him. Dayne slaughters Ned's comrades and, in a one on one one-on-one fight, dominated dominates Ned and knocked knocks his sword out of his hand, but, hand but -- before he could can deliver the killing blow, blow -- Howland Reed ran up and knifed impales Dayne in the throat from behind.behind and Ned uses the opportunity to kill Dayne.



** Jaime pulls a dagger and stabs his opponent in the eye with his off hand when their swords become locked in "The Wolf and the Lion".

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** Jaime Lannister pulls a dagger and stabs his opponent in the eye with his off hand when their swords become locked in "The Wolf and the Lion".



** Oberyn demonstrates that dagger beats sword in a QuickDraw in "Two Swords". Later, he uses light armour, HitAndRunTactics, and taunting against a larger and stronger opponent.

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** Oberyn Martell demonstrates that dagger beats sword in a QuickDraw in "Two Swords". Later, he uses light armour, HitAndRunTactics, and taunting against a larger and stronger opponent.



** Dr. Julia Ogden is a prime example of a CombatPragmatist. She will attack you from behind or use her skill with scapels to mortally injure you (see "Snakes and Ladders") if you attack her or someone she cares about.

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** Dr. Julia Ogden is a prime example of a CombatPragmatist. She will attack you from behind or use her skill with scapels scalpels to mortally injure you (see "Snakes and Ladders") if you attack her or someone she cares about.



---->'''Simulant:''' (Pulls out knife) "ILied."

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---->'''Simulant:''' (Pulls out knife) "ILied."I lied."
4th Apr '17 1:30:30 PM gb00393
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** Though starting out quite idealistic, by Season 4, Jon is able to make the hard call to not respond to a group of Wildlings slaughtering nearby villages, especially since he knows full well it's a distraction for an attack on the Wall itself. As mentioned above, he shoves a sword through the back of lead-mutineer Karl's skull when the situation called for it. Even his overall fighting style is becoming more and more like this as, during the Wildlings' attack on the Wall, Jon uses a mixture of kicks and the environment around him, as well as typical swordplay, to kill several enemy combatants. He's fully fallen into this trope by Season 6, most notably when he's challenged by a bow-wielding Ramsay. Jon throws aside his Valyrian steel sword in favor of a simple shield lying in the mud, which he uses to block all of Ramsay's arrows, close the distance, and pummel him into submission.
3rd Feb '17 12:25:54 PM NoxSky12599
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** Lord Tywin scolds Jaime for sparing Ned in the name of a clean fight and asks Tyrion why killing 10,000 men in battle is more noble than murdering a dozen.

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** Lord Tywin scolds Jaime for sparing Ned in the name of a clean fight fight, and asks Tyrion why killing 10,000 men in battle is more noble than murdering a dozen.dozen by violating SacredHospitality.
4th Jan '17 1:26:56 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since this is a series where things don't go well for those who place HonorBeforeReason, there are many examples of characters winning this way. Though the series on the whole emphasizes this far moreso than the books which still insists on the superiority of classic swordsmanship, castle training and military service over undisciplined back-alley sneak attacks.


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** Loras Tyrell unhorses Gregor Clegane in the Tourney of the Hand by riding a mare in heat against Gregor's ill-tempered stallion. Characters disagree on whether this is cheating.
** Jaime pulls a dagger and stabs his opponent in the eye with his off hand when their swords become locked in "The Wolf and the Lion".
** Yoren forces a gold cloak to surrender by holding a dagger to his femoral artery, stating that men are so worried about their throats that they forget everywhere else.
** Brienne wins a tourney despite being disarmed by tackling her opponent and drawing a dagger.
** Lord Tywin scolds Jaime for sparing Ned in the name of a clean fight and asks Tyrion why killing 10,000 men in battle is more noble than murdering a dozen.
** Oberyn demonstrates that dagger beats sword in a QuickDraw in "Two Swords". Later, he uses light armour, HitAndRunTactics, and taunting against a larger and stronger opponent.
** In "The Mountain and the Viper", Arya declares that anyone who shuns a method of killing as dishonorable will never be a great killer.
** Obara Sand allows Nymeria to imply that Obara will stand aside while she and Trystane Martell fight a duel, then stabs Nymeria's opponent from behind without a fight.
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