History Characters / Warhammer40000ImperialFounders

20th Jan '17 1:10:28 AM darkknight109
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** Alpharius in general, though especially towards Guilliman, for not being able to match his victory tally due to his late discovery (though this trope has been downplayed in much of the more recent lore).
15th Jan '17 10:42:11 PM Prometheus117
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* CantCatchUp: Encountered almost 200 years after the start of the Great Crusade, Alpharius soon found that he could never hope to match the victory tally of some of his more accomplished brothers like Horus, Guilliman, or El'Johnson. Given that the Great Crusade was running out of planets to conquer, it seemed unlikely the Alpha Legion would ever match the accomplishments of the other legions.

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* CantCatchUp: Encountered almost 200 years after the start of the Great Crusade, Alpharius soon found that he could never hope to match the victory tally of some of his more accomplished brothers like Horus, Guilliman, or El'Johnson. Given that the Great Crusade was running out of planets to conquer, it seemed unlikely the Alpha Legion would ever match the accomplishments of the other legions. He decided to compensate by making every victory [[ComplexityAddiction as dramatic as possible]].



* ComplexityAddiction: After Alpharius' combat doctrine was displayed to his brothers, and after Guilliman dismissed it, Alpharius gave the world of Tesstra Prime a full week to fortify and prepare for invasion, only to inflict 90% casualties upon the enemy after days of masterful ambushes and subversive tactics. When asked why he didn't simply take the world's capital at the start of the conflict, Alpharius reportedly said "it would have been too easy." Guilliman called the whole campaign [[AwesomebutImpractical "a huge waste of time, effort, and the Emperor's bolt shells."]] {{Justified}} in that since he was the last Primarch to be discovered, literally ''centuries'' after the Great Crusade started, he could never hope to match his fellows in terms of quantity of victories, so he decided he needed to make every one he achieved as epic as possible in order to stand out against them.

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* ComplexityAddiction: After Alpharius' combat doctrine was displayed to his brothers, and after Guilliman dismissed it, Alpharius gave the world of Tesstra Prime a full week to fortify and prepare for invasion, only to inflict 90% casualties upon the enemy after days of masterful ambushes and subversive tactics. When asked why he didn't simply take the world's capital at the start of the conflict, Alpharius reportedly said "it would have been too easy." Guilliman called the whole campaign [[AwesomebutImpractical "a huge waste of time, effort, and the Emperor's bolt shells."]] {{Justified}} in that since he was the last Primarch to be discovered, literally ''centuries'' after the Great Crusade started, [[CantCatchUp he could never hope to match his fellows in terms of quantity of victories, victories]], so he decided he needed to make every one he achieved as epic as possible in order to stand out against them.
15th Jan '17 10:40:35 PM Prometheus117
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* ComplexityAddiction: After Alpharius' combat doctrine was displayed to his brothers, and after Guilliman dismissed it, Alpharius gave the world of Tesstra Prime a full week to fortify and prepare for invasion, only to inflict 90% casualties upon the enemy after days of masterful ambushes and subversive tactics. When asked why he didn't simply take the world's capital at the start of the conflict, Alpharius reportedly said "it would have been too easy." Guilliman called the whole campaign [[AwesomebutImpractical "a huge waste of time, effort, and the Emperor's bolt shells."]]

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* ComplexityAddiction: After Alpharius' combat doctrine was displayed to his brothers, and after Guilliman dismissed it, Alpharius gave the world of Tesstra Prime a full week to fortify and prepare for invasion, only to inflict 90% casualties upon the enemy after days of masterful ambushes and subversive tactics. When asked why he didn't simply take the world's capital at the start of the conflict, Alpharius reportedly said "it would have been too easy." Guilliman called the whole campaign [[AwesomebutImpractical "a huge waste of time, effort, and the Emperor's bolt shells."]]"]] {{Justified}} in that since he was the last Primarch to be discovered, literally ''centuries'' after the Great Crusade started, he could never hope to match his fellows in terms of quantity of victories, so he decided he needed to make every one he achieved as epic as possible in order to stand out against them.
12th Jan '17 3:17:45 PM BlackSunNocturne
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* RageAgainstTheMentor: Horus versus the Emperor, underhanded Alpharius against honourable Roboute Gulliman of the Ultramarines, siege expert Perturabo of the Iron Warriors versus fortifications expert Rogal Dorn of the Imperial Fists.

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* RageAgainstTheMentor: Horus versus the Emperor, underhanded Alpharius against honourable Roboute Gulliman Guilliman of the Ultramarines, siege expert Perturabo of the Iron Warriors versus fortifications expert Rogal Dorn of the Imperial Fists.



* DependingOnTheArtist: If he's a FieryRedhead or blond (as depicted in the pic above, from Forge World) and if he's clean-shaven or has a BadassBeard are the two most common back-and-forths regarding his appearance.

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* DependingOnTheArtist: If he's a FieryRedhead or blond (as depicted in the pic above, from Forge World) and if he's clean-shaven or has a BadassBeard are the two most common back-and-forths regarding his appearance.appearance. Since Forgeworld's army book and model showcase present him as blonde and clean-shaven (as depicted in the pic above), it can be assumed there's finally a canonical answer to this.



* AdaptationDyeJob: While Black Library's covers have him black-haired, Forgeworld's army book and model showcase present him as blonde.



** What is also interesting is that they have very similar principles and desires, but very different methods. Gulliman and Lorgar both desired to raise the Imperium, they weren't conquerors per se, but as said in ''The First Heretic'', they are builders. They believed that Astartes could be something else than warriors, and they both valued an introspective view of life. Perhaps if they spent more time with the other (like some of their sons that actually found friendship) they could have become close friends.

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** What is also interesting is that they have very similar principles and desires, but very different methods. Gulliman Guilliman and Lorgar both desired to raise the Imperium, they weren't conquerors per se, but as said in ''The First Heretic'', they are builders. They believed that Astartes could be something else than warriors, and they both valued an introspective view of life. Perhaps if they spent more time with the other (like some of their sons that actually found friendship) they could have become close friends.
12th Jan '17 3:09:24 PM BlackSunNocturne
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* BlackComedy: His Forgeworld model has the head as a separate piece. Now, remember how [[OffWithHisHead Fulgrim kills him]].



-->They are not my hands. This fact is forgotten by my brothers -- inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. [...] Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions.

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-->They --> They are not my hands. This fact is forgotten by my brothers -- inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. [...] Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions.
10th Jan '17 12:58:05 AM NathJag
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* UndyingLoyalty: It is made pretty clear he has this to the Emperor.




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* YouCantFightFate: It is made clear at the end of Horus Heresy Novel Angels of Caliban Sanguinius is informed and now fully aware that he will die if he faces Horus in battle to which he states [[HeroicSacrifice "To die at Horus's hand is fate I gladly accept]] [[UndyingLoyalty if it means that the Emperor yet lives and fights for mankind I would speed to this confrontation on the swiftest wings if it means the enduring reign of the Emperor".]]
1st Jan '17 7:08:17 PM Willbyr
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* DependingOnTheArtist: If he's a FieryRedhead or Blond (the official model to the right was painted as blond by the artist) and if he's clean-shaven or has a BadassBeard are the two most common back-and-forths regarding his appearance.

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* DependingOnTheArtist: If he's a FieryRedhead or Blond (the official model to the right was painted as blond by (as depicted in the artist) pic above, from Forge World) and if he's clean-shaven or has a BadassBeard are the two most common back-and-forths regarding his appearance.



* FieryRedhead: Well, he's described as such in the books. [[FlipFlopOfGod Other times he's described as blond]]. [[DependingOnTheArtist And the artwork doesn't help either]].

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* FieryRedhead: Well, he's described as such in the books. [[FlipFlopOfGod Other times he's described as blond]]. blond.]] [[DependingOnTheArtist And the The artwork doesn't help either]].either.]]
1st Jan '17 1:59:55 PM Willbyr
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* BadassNative: Often given Native American-looking features in character portraits, probably due to the cultural significance RavensAndCrows have among many Native peoples.



* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Known for his snow-white skin and dark hair. Probably a ShoutOut to ''ComicBook/TheCrow''.

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* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Known for his snow-white skin and dark hair. Probably a ShoutOut to ''ComicBook/TheCrow''.
1st Jan '17 7:02:54 AM Juicehead_Baby
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* BadassNative: Often given Native American-looking features in character portraits, probably due to the cultural significance RavensAndCrows have among many Native peoples.



* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Known for his snow-white skin and dark hair.

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* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Known for his snow-white skin and dark hair. Probably a ShoutOut to ''ComicBook/TheCrow''.
30th Dec '16 1:42:26 PM Willbyr
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** It was all fake information from Legion's angel. And if indeed Guilliman would do something like, it would be according to ''Codex Astartes'', since attack on enemy command center was modus operandi during great crusade. Moreover Alpha Legion according to fluff shouldn't have something like command center anyway.



** [spoiler]He IS healing. Or rather he has already healed. GW announced he is going back to play in next campaign[
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** Guilliman starred in not one, but ''two'' post-Heresy Primarch-vs.-Primarch battles, both of which turned out to be duds. His fight with Alpharius was just both of them making a [[DiagonalCut quick slash at one another, before Alpharius suddenly toppled over, dead.]] His fight with Fulgrim was probably a lot more awesome... not that we ever got to read about it, thanks to the cloying, soporific clouds that prevented the Ultramarines (and the narrator) from interfering with, or witnessing, the battle. When said clouds finally cleared, the duel was over, Guilliman was mortally wounded, and Fulgrim and his minions had mysteriously disappeared.

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** Guilliman starred in not one, but ''two'' post-Heresy Primarch-vs.-Primarch battles, both of which turned out to be duds. His fight with Alpharius was just both of them making a [[DiagonalCut quick slash at one another, before Alpharius suddenly toppled over, dead.]] dead]]. His fight with Fulgrim was probably a lot more awesome... not that we ever got to read about it, thanks to the cloying, soporific clouds that prevented the Ultramarines (and the narrator) from interfering with, or witnessing, the battle. When said clouds finally cleared, the duel was over, Guilliman was mortally wounded, and Fulgrim and his minions had mysteriously disappeared.
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