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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: By Chaos standards, at least, which means he won't execute people for bringing him bad news or murder his subordinates when feeling frustrated.

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* PragmaticVillainy: He has several pragmatic reasons to keep Weaver alive and avoid openly engaging in conflict with her when she manifests on his flagship and is at his mercy, which include avoiding the trap of symbolically locking his legion into eternal conflict with the Blood Angels and making sure that she rids the universe of Lorgar, who he contemptuously regards as weak, foolish, and actively detrimental to Chaos' interests.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: By Chaos standards, at least, which means he won't execute people for bringing him bad news or murder his subordinates when feeling frustrated. He is also perfectly willing to engage in civil discourse with his servants and enemies alike instead of just slaughtering them at will, although in Weaver's case this is motivated at least partially by pragmatism.
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* NoodleIncident: Nobody short of the Emperor, the Primarchs and the Custodes remember precisely what Nagash did to get himself and his Legion sentenced to obliteration - because the death sentence included the Legion and all its actions expunged from history.

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* NoodleIncident: Nobody short of the Emperor, the Primarchs and the Custodes remember precisely what Nagash the Eleventh did to get himself and his Legion sentenced to obliteration - because the death sentence included having all records of the Legion and all its actions expunged from history.
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* AsskickingLeadsToLeadership: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith compliments her abilities.

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* AsskickingLeadsToLeadership: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith Lelith compliments her abilities.



* SimpleYetAwesome: Lilith mainly uses the power of her Sword of Vaul to change what type of sword it is, yet she lays waste to entire legions of daemons with it. [[spoiler:Then 8-5 reveals that it ''does'' have a secret power...]]

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* SimpleYetAwesome: Lilith Lelith mainly uses the power of her Sword of Vaul to change what type of sword it is, yet she lays waste to entire legions of daemons with it. [[spoiler:Then 8-5 reveals that it ''does'' have a secret power...]]
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* NoodleIncident: Nobody short of the Emperor, the Primarchs and the Custodes remember precisely what Nagash did to get himself and his Legion sentenced to obliteration - because the death sentence included the Legion and all its actions expunged from history.

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* BelligerentSexualTension: With her SitcomArchNemesis Kurt Nils. [[spoiler:They eventually solve this via GladToBeAliveSex, and get married.]]



* SitcomArchNemesis: With Kurt Nils. Given Kurt's background as a member of the working class whose piloting rivals her own, Freya naturally doesn't get along with him and sees him as the "symbol of everything wrong with the new order". The two regularly trade insults and their animosity becomes so well-known that some of Freya's fellow pilots even jokingly suggest that their rivalry is a result of BelligerentSexualTension.

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* SitcomArchNemesis: With Kurt Nils. Given Kurt's background as a member of the working class whose piloting rivals her own, Freya naturally doesn't get along with him and sees him as the "symbol of everything wrong with the new order". The two regularly trade insults and their animosity becomes so well-known that some of Freya's fellow pilots even jokingly suggest that their rivalry is a result of BelligerentSexualTension. [[spoiler:They turn out to be right, as not only do they do the deed, they actually get married.]]
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* SmugSuper: Utterly convinced that taking Elsar'bryn from Mon-keigh hands will be a walk in the park, and as such doesn't even bother with strategy when he attacks Taylor. He didn't live long enough to regret it.

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* SmugSuper: SmugSnake: Utterly convinced that taking Elsar'bryn from Mon-keigh hands will be a walk in the park, and as such doesn't even bother with strategy when he attacks Taylor. He didn't live long enough to regret it.
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* AsskickingLeadsToAuthority: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith compliments her abilities.

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* AsskickingLeadsToAuthority: AsskickingLeadsToLeadership: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith compliments her abilities.
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* AuthorityLeadsToAsskicking: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith compliments her abilities.

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* AuthorityLeadsToAsskicking: AsskickingLeadsToAuthority: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith compliments her abilities.
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* AuthorityEqualsAsskicking: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith compliments her abilities.

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* AuthorityEqualsAsskicking: AuthorityLeadsToAsskicking: Taylor is a Lady General of the Imperial Guard and the Governor of Nyx Sector and is an immensely powerful being who has taken on Greater Daemons, Eldar, and Orks and won. Even the extremely haughty Lilith compliments her abilities.
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* LongLived: She will be Governor of Nyx for at least 114 years, which is nicknamed the First Age of the Saint… out of ten such Ages.

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* LongLived: She will be Governor of Nyx for at least 114 years, which is nicknamed the First Age of the Saint… out of ten such Ages. Liandra - the former Hekatii - confirms she will live about twenty ''thousand years''. Taylor is stumped she is going to live five times longer than the Imperium had been around.

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* RoyalHarem: She showed interest in making [[MsFanservice Alyena]] [[EvilIsSexy Sinblade]] the first of her and Taylor's seraglio after her trial, though Taylor voices her distaste for harems.

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* RoyalHarem: She showed interest in making [[MsFanservice Alyena]] [[EvilIsSexy Alyena Sinblade]] the first of her and Taylor's seraglio after her trial, though Taylor voices her distaste for harems.



* EvilIsSexy: Unnaturally beautiful, as befitting of an Aeldari. Her voice alone is enough to set Leet to drooling.
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* {{Pyromaniac}}: They enjoy everything fire, lava, and magma a ''bit'' too much, and enjoy even more setting heretics, xenos, and traitors in fire – preferably alive.

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* {{Pyromaniac}}: They enjoy everything fire, lava, and magma a ''bit'' too much, and enjoy even more setting heretics, xenos, and traitors in on fire even more – preferably alive.
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** When he first returned to take command of his Legion, ''half of his Legion'' refused to swear themselves to him ''in spite of the sire-bond.'' And Fabius Bile, ''the'' legendarily infamous MadScientist amongst the Traitor Astartes who normally has borderline nonexistent standards when it comes to his mad science and genecraft, refuses to even consider the idea of experimenting on the Eleventh.

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** When he first returned to take command of his Legion, ''half of his Legion'' refused to swear themselves to him ''in spite of the sire-bond.'' And Fabius Bile, ''the'' legendarily infamous MadScientist amongst the Traitor Astartes who normally has borderline nonexistent standards when it comes to his mad science and genecraft, refuses to even consider remotely entertain the idea of experimenting creating new Space Marines based on the Eleventh.
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** When he first returned to take command of his Legion, ''half of his Legion'' refused to swear themselves to him ''in spite of the sire-bond.''

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** When he first returned to take command of his Legion, ''half of his Legion'' refused to swear themselves to him ''in spite of the sire-bond.'''' And Fabius Bile, ''the'' legendarily infamous MadScientist amongst the Traitor Astartes who normally has borderline nonexistent standards when it comes to his mad science and genecraft, refuses to even consider the idea of experimenting on the Eleventh.
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** When he first returned to take command of his Legion, ''half of his Legion'' refused to swear themselves to him ''in spite of the sire-bond.''
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* StevenUlyssesPerhero: At one point calls himself Cy Pher. The main reason it works is because his name is not well known. The one person in the group he meets who does know of Cypher sees through the alias immediately.

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* StevenUlyssesPerhero: SueDonym: At one point calls himself Cy Pher. The main reason it works is because his name is not well known. The one person in the group he meets who does know of Cypher sees through the alias immediately.
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!!The King in Yellow[[spoiler:, later Nagash, the King of Bones]]

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!!The King in Yellow[[spoiler:, later Nagash, the King of Bones]]Bones, Primarch of the Witch Hunters]]
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* StevenUlyssesPerhero: At one point calls himself Cy Pher. The main reason it works is because his name is not well known. The one person in the group he meets who does know of Cypher sees through the alias immediately.

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* InNameOnly: While there is a character named The King in Yellow in the 40K lore, he was introduced in the ''Literature/{{Bequin}}'' novels, which are relatively recent, published at a fairly slow rate, and as of the introduction of the character with the same name in TWO, not finished yet. As such, there is little in common between the two characters other than the name. One notable inconsistency is that [[spoiler:the second ''Bequin'' novel claimed that the King's true identity is Constantin Valdor rather than a Lost Primarch as he is in TWO. Valdor died in TWO a year before that novel was published.]]
* MirrorCharacter: The Eleventh and Second Primarchs were unpersoned in order to cover a great shame for the Imperium. However, Hattori Hanzo fell to an enemy much more stronger than his Legion, was devoted to the Emperor's dream and genuinely loved by his brothers, with his story uncovered and honored by Weaver -- the King in Yellow apparently defied the Imperium by being a GodhoodSeeker, was loathed by his whole family and Malicia sought for his remains to unbalance the galaxy further.

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* IKnowYourTrueName: Inverted and unintentionally weaponized. Having his own Name psychically stripped from him by the Emperor, causes Chaos' attempts to target him to be much less effective than normal. [[spoiler: This ends once Rogal Dorn re-names him as Nagash, removing that psychic "invisibility" and presenting the Ruinous Powers with a clear target.]]
* InNameOnly: While there is a character named The King in Yellow in the 40K lore, he was introduced in the ''Literature/{{Bequin}}'' novels, which are relatively recent, published at a fairly slow rate, and as of the introduction of the character with the same name in TWO, not finished yet. As such, there is little in common between the two characters other than the name. One notable inconsistency is that [[spoiler:the second ''Bequin'' novel claimed that the King's true identity is Constantin Valdor rather than a Lost Primarch as he is in TWO. Valdor died in TWO a year before that novel was even published.]]
* MirrorCharacter: The Eleventh and Second Primarchs were unpersoned {{Unperson}}ed in order to cover a great shame for the Imperium. However, where Hattori Hanzo fell to an enemy much more far stronger than himself and his Legion, was devoted to the Emperor's dream and genuinely loved by his brothers, with his story uncovered and honored by Weaver -- the King in Yellow apparently defied the Imperium by being a GodhoodSeeker, was loathed by his whole family entire family, and Malicia sought for his remains to unbalance the galaxy further.



** This is also revealed to be the reason he even survived in the first place. After his original death, [[spoiler:Nagash]]'s soul was eventually devoured by a daemon, however without a [[IKnowYourTrueName True Name]] to connect to, said soul proved to be indigestable, allowing him to slowly [[PuppeteerParasite take the daemon over from within]] to jumpstart his path back to power.



* {{Unperson}}: The only reason the man on the street knows there ever was an Eleventh Legion, and by extension an Eleventh Primarch, at some point is by inference over the fact that there was once a Tenth and Twelfth Legion lead by the Tenth and Twelfth Primarchs. All records of their names and deeds have been expunged from Imperial history, save for in the highly classified archives kept by the Custodes. [[spoiler:Rogal Dorn undoes this metaphysically by re-naming the Eleventh Primarch as '''Nagash''', which single-handedly destroys his aspirations to become Master of Eternity and allows the Ruinous Powers to unleash their full vengeance upon him.]]

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* {{Unperson}}: The only reason the man on the street knows there ever was an Eleventh Legion, and by extension an Eleventh Primarch, at some point is by inference over the fact that there was once a Tenth and Twelfth Legion lead led by the Tenth and Twelfth Primarchs. All records of their names and deeds have been expunged from Imperial history, save for in the highly classified archives kept by the Custodes. [[spoiler:Rogal Dorn undoes this metaphysically by re-naming the Eleventh Primarch as '''Nagash''', which single-handedly singlehandedly destroys his aspirations to become Master of Eternity and allows the Ruinous Powers to unleash their full vengeance upon him.]]
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* BunnyEarsLawyer: Flagrantly, unrepentantly eccentric and radical. Also ''incredibly'' good at what he does, being perhaps the most skilled Tech-Priest in the galaxy in existence.


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** He repeats this feat when [[spoiler:he teleports T'au from Macragge to ''a star in the Nyx Sector'']].
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* EmperorScientist: As a Cryptek, she's basically the Necron equivalent of a Tech-Priest - and not just any Tech-Priest, but an Archmagos at that. As Phaerakh, she's the absolute ruler of her dynasty. It's also noted that unlike most Dynasties where the Phaeron/Phaerakh is reliant on their Crypteks to handle technology in their stead, the Nerushlatset Dynasty has Neferten teaching her subordinate Crypteks instead.

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* EmperorScientist: As a Cryptek, she's basically the Necron equivalent of a Tech-Priest - and not just any Tech-Priest, but an Archmagos at that.that, having mastered harsh disciplines such as elemental transmogrification and dimensional dissonance. As Phaerakh, she's the absolute ruler of her dynasty. It's also Trazyn himself noted that unlike most Dynasties Dynasties, where the Phaeron/Phaerakh is reliant on their Crypteks to handle technology in their stead, the Nerushlatset Dynasty has Neferten teaching her subordinate Crypteks the tricks of the trade instead.
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* EmperorScientist: As a Cryptek, she's basically the Necron equivalent of a Tech-Priest - and not just any Tech-Priest, but an Archmagos at that. As Phaerakh, she's the absolute ruler of her dynasty. It's also noted that unlike most Dynasties where the Phaeron/Phaerakh is reliant on their Crypteks to handle technology in their stead, the Nerushlatset Dynasty has Neferten teaching her subordinate Crypteks technology instead.

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* EmperorScientist: As a Cryptek, she's basically the Necron equivalent of a Tech-Priest - and not just any Tech-Priest, but an Archmagos at that. As Phaerakh, she's the absolute ruler of her dynasty. It's also noted that unlike most Dynasties where the Phaeron/Phaerakh is reliant on their Crypteks to handle technology in their stead, the Nerushlatset Dynasty has Neferten teaching her subordinate Crypteks technology instead.

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** To help buy time for Weaver to prepare, Trazyn sabotages the Throne's FTL drive, leaves a horde of malware in its systems, and re-programs the Replication Engines to create millions of deranged copies of himself. The "Trazyn Apocalypse" is barely prevented.

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** When discussing how to distract the Throne of Oblivion, Trazyn improves Weaver's proposal of throwing Arrgard the Defiler's WAAAGH against the Throne of Oblivion with a few simple suggestions, handily increasing the expected time gained from one or two human years to a whopping twelve standard years. When Neferten points out that the Throne could simply use its FTL drive to escape, Trazyn cheerfully proposes sabotage like it's a walk in the park, shocking Weaver and Neferten.
** To help buy time for Weaver to prepare, Trazyn sabotages the Throne's FTL drive, leaves a horde of malware in its systems, and re-programs the Replication Engines to create millions of deranged deranged, murderous copies of himself. The "Trazyn Apocalypse" is barely prevented.



* EveryoneHasStandards: Possesses a few of the Silent King's command codes, but swore an oath not to use them to directly control any Necron, feeling this would make him too similar to the Deceiver. Orikan pisses him enough that he breaks the oath.

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* EveryoneHasStandards: Possesses a few of the Silent King's command codes, but swore an oath not to use them to directly control any Necron, feeling this would make him too similar to the Deceiver. Orikan pisses him off enough that he breaks the oath.



* EmperorScientist: As a Cryptek, she's basically a Tech-Priest, and the absolute ruler of her dynasty.

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* EmperorScientist: As a Cryptek, she's basically the Necron equivalent of a Tech-Priest - and not just any Tech-Priest, and but an Archmagos at that. As Phaerakh, she's the absolute ruler of her dynasty.dynasty. It's also noted that unlike most Dynasties where the Phaeron/Phaerakh is reliant on their Crypteks to handle technology in their stead, the Nerushlatset Dynasty has Neferten teaching her subordinate Crypteks technology instead.

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