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* LaserBlade: He wields a blue-bladed lightsaber.

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* LaserBlade: He wields a blue-bladed lightsaber. Grievous attempts to claim it as another trophy, but Kit manages to disarm him of it and recover Nahdar's saber.

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* BlueIsHeroic: Has blue skin, blue eyes, and a blue lightsaber.



* LaserBlade: Wields a blue lightsaber.



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* LaserBlade: Uses a green-bladed lightsaber.


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* LaserBlade: He wields a yellow lightsaber.


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->'''Appearances:''' ''[[ComicBook/DarthVaderDarkLordOfTheSith Dark Lord of the Sith]]''

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* NotQuiteDead: He actually survives being crushed by Vader and eventually rebuilt himself, and over two decades later joins a faction of other droids who have fought and been dismantled by Vader in a bid to exchange stories and find a way to kill the Sith Lord.
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*** It should be noted the active part of the shrine was actually a section that the Jedi didn’t know about as it was hidden deeper underground than the rest. It also took five thousand years for this too happen.

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*** It should be noted the active part of the shrine was actually a section that the Jedi didn’t know about as it was hidden deeper underground than the rest. It also took five thousand years for this too to happen.



* MyCountryRightOrWrong: Despite supposedly being the "guardians of peace and justice", toward the end of the Old Republic the Jedi started becoming too loyal to the increasingly corrupt or ineffectual Senate, rather than the Republic as a whole, something pointed out as far back as when Qui-Gon was a mere padawan. By the end of the Clone Wars, some of them had only just begun to realize they were being too loyal to the whims of Palpatine rather than doing something about it, but at the same time noted there was no good solution to that one.

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* MyCountryRightOrWrong: Despite supposedly being the "guardians of peace and justice", toward the end of the Old Republic the Jedi started becoming too loyal to the increasingly corrupt or ineffectual Senate, rather than the Republic as a whole, something pointed out as far back as when Qui-Gon was a mere padawan.Padawan. By the end of the Clone Wars, some of them had only just begun to realize they were being too loyal to the whims of Palpatine rather than doing something about it, but at the same time noted there was no good solution to that one.



* ShroudedInMyth: Thanks to the Empire's efforts to wipe their legacy from history, by the time of the Original Trilogy knowledge of the Jedi and even the Force itself had faded from most galactic citizens' memory, and tales of the Jedi Knights were considered the stuff of "folklore and childrens' tales" according to Moff Tarkin.

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* ShroudedInMyth: Thanks to the Empire's efforts to wipe their legacy from history, by the time of the Original Trilogy knowledge of the Jedi and even the Force itself had faded from most galactic citizens' memory, and tales of the Jedi Knights were considered the stuff of "folklore and childrens' children's tales" according to Moff Tarkin.



* TheBusCameBack: After essentially disappearing after assisting the Younglings with their training in ''The Clone Wars'', Huyang is revealed to have survived the Purge in ''Series/{{Ahsoka}}'', where he makes his first live action appearance.

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* TheBusCameBack: After essentially disappearing after assisting the Younglings with their training in ''The Clone Wars'', Huyang is revealed to have survived the Great Jedi Purge in ''Series/{{Ahsoka}}'', where he makes his first live action appearance.

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* {{Expy}}: Of [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fan-built Droid]] R2-KT, who had already appeared in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS1E19StormOverRyloth Storm Over Ryloth]]", as the showrunners wanted to avoid the confusion of two units called R2.


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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: Of [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fan-built Droid]] R2-KT, who had already appeared in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS1E19StormOverRyloth Storm Over Ryloth]]", as the showrunners wanted to avoid the confusion of two units called R2.
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: He is barefoot when outside of his cold weather gear.



* DoesNotLikeShoes: He is barefoot due to being a Wookiee.



* DoesNotLikeShoes: He is barefoot when outside of his cold weather gear.
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* DoesNotLikeGuns: They refrain from using blasters, considering the weapon clumsy and uncivilized while its offensive nature goes against their status as defenders, and only resort to it when they don't have their lightsabers and they lack any other weapon to defend themselves with. After the rise of the Empire though, they largely abandon this rule as lightsabers have been outlawed due to the Jedi being branded fugitives and being seen with a lightsaber is an easy way to put the Inquisitors on their trail. It's quite ironic too as despite their dislike of blasters, their Force-sensitivity means that they have [[ImprobableAimingSkills insane accuracy skills]] and coupling that with a lightsaber just makes them more unstoppable.
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* GrinOfAudacity: His facial expression when pulling the above Mind Trick on the Purge Troopers.
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* HeroicBSoD: Briefly lapses into this when [[spoiler:Fanry reveals herself as the mastermind behind the blackguard attacks]].

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* HeroicBSoD: HeroicBSOD: Briefly lapses into this when [[spoiler:Fanry reveals herself as the mastermind behind the blackguard attacks]].
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* DueToTheDead: Considering her a WorthyOpponent, Maul remarks as she dies that while she had earlier claimed she was just a Padawan, "make no mistake, Eldra Kaitis, you ''are'' a Jedi."


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* WorthyOpponent: Maul is decidedly surprised by her skill and pleased by the fact that she comes very close to killing him, telling her as she dies that she is a Jedi, not just a Padawan.

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* SchrodingersCanon: In ''Legends'', the Jedi Order only instituted its famous policy of "no attachments" after a disastrous war started by a Jedi who turned to the Dark Side and became an extremely powerful and dangerous Sith Lord. Before this, it was perfectly acceptable for Jedi to have families and be in contact with their blood relatives. After the Battle of Endor, this would resurface in the New Jedi Order, though in the current canon that doesn’t seem to be the case.
** George Lucas intensely disliked this part of the EU. Mara Jade marrying Luke Skywalker is the reason he dislikes the character. For him Jedi had never at any point in their history gotten married.

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* SchrodingersCanon: In ''Legends'', the Jedi Order only instituted its famous policy of "no attachments" after a disastrous war started by a Jedi who turned to the Dark Side and became an extremely powerful and dangerous Sith Lord. Before this, it was perfectly acceptable for Jedi to have families and be in contact with their blood relatives. After the Battle of Endor, this would resurface in the New Jedi Order, though in the current canon that doesn’t seem to be the case. \n** George [[note]]George Lucas intensely disliked this part of the ''Legends'' EU. Mara Jade marrying Luke Skywalker is the reason he dislikes the character. For him Jedi had never at any point in their history gotten married.[[/note]]



* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: Between ''The Clone Wars'' and ''Revenge of the Sith'', the Tholothian Adi Gallia and Zabrak Eeth Koth are switched out on the Jedi Council by two other Jedi of the same species, Stass Allie and Agen Kolar respectively. You'd have to pay extra close attention to notice and the characters are so minor in the Prequel Trilogy that it doesn't even change much of anything in the films. {{Justified}} since Gallia was killed by Savage Opress and Koth was dismissed from the Jedi Order.

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: Between ''The Clone Wars'' and ''Revenge of the Sith'', the Tholothian Adi Gallia and Zabrak Eeth Koth are switched out on the Jedi Council by two other Jedi of the same species, Stass Allie and Agen Kolar respectively. You'd have to pay extra close attention to notice and the characters are so minor in the Prequel Trilogy that it doesn't even change much of anything in the films. {{Justified}} {{Justified|Trope}} since Gallia was killed by Savage Opress and Koth was dismissed from the Jedi Order.

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** [[https://youtu.be/GaXHDpCe-KI Also even someone as noble as Obi-Wan completely dismisses the possibility of the Republic being under the direct control of a Sith lord because he believes the Jedi would have sensed it]].
*** In fairness, Sith do specialise in deception and you can never really trust they’ll be telling you the truth about anything.Yoda and Windu also do agree to keep an eye on the Senate which means that aren’t entirely dismissing the idea of something being wrong. Windu also believes Anakin that Sidious and Palpatine are the same remarkably quickly.
** Yoda later acknowledged to Luke that in their final days the Jedi had become mired in politics and had lost touch of their true purpose. The Order refused to announce their suspicions of the Sith's return or take a more aggressive stance in their search for fear of causing a panic. Looking back, Yoda says if he knew then what he did now, he'd have done things differently.

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** Yoda later acknowledged acknowledges to Luke that in their final days the Jedi had become mired in politics and had lost touch of with their true purpose. The Order refused to announce their suspicions of the Sith's return or take a more aggressive stance in their search for fear of causing a panic. Looking back, Yoda says if he knew then what he did now, he'd have done things differently.
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** Ironically it’s been pointed out that had the Jedi’s refusal to get more involved with politics is one. We have numerous instances on screen where the Jedi leave politics to the politicians and we even know Jedi were not allowed to get involved in local political matters without Senate or High Council approval. This meant that when they were forced to play politics by the war, the Jedi were constantly on the back foot, leaving them open to situations they dislike like expelling Ahsoka. If the Jedi were more active before the war broke out they could have built the political capital needed to push back against such pressure. Ultimately, Palpatine didn’t defeat the Jedi Order by fighting, but through masterful political manoeuvring, placing the Jedi in a position where they compromise themselves by fighting a war deliberately designed to wear them down.

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** Ironically it’s been pointed out that had the Jedi’s refusal to get more involved with politics is one. We have numerous instances on screen where the Jedi leave duck out of having to deal with politics to the politicians and we even know Jedi were not allowed to get involved in local political matters without Senate or High Council approval. This meant that when they were forced to play politics by the war, the Jedi were constantly on the back foot, leaving them open to situations they dislike like expelling Ahsoka. If the Jedi were more politically active before the war broke out they could have built the political capital needed to push back against such pressure. Ultimately, Palpatine didn’t defeat the Jedi Order by fighting, but through masterful political manoeuvring, placing the Jedi in a position where they compromise themselves by fighting a war deliberately designed to wear them down.
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** Ironically some have pointed out that had the Jedi’s refusal to get more involved with politics as one. We have numerous instances on screen where the Jedi leaving politics to the politicians and we even know that Jedi were not allowed to get involved in local political matters without Senate or High Council approval. This meant that when they were forced to play politics by the war, the Jedi were constantly on the back foot, leaving them open to situations they dislike such as expelling Ahsoka. Palpatine didn’t defeat the Jedi Order by fighting, but through masterful political manoeuvring, placing the Jedi in a position where they compromise themselves by fighting a war deliberately designed to wear them down.

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** Ironically some have it’s been pointed out that had the Jedi’s refusal to get more involved with politics as is one. We have numerous instances on screen where the Jedi leaving leave politics to the politicians and we even know that Jedi were not allowed to get involved in local political matters without Senate or High Council approval. This meant that when they were forced to play politics by the war, the Jedi were constantly on the back foot, leaving them open to situations they dislike such as like expelling Ahsoka. If the Jedi were more active before the war broke out they could have built the political capital needed to push back against such pressure. Ultimately, Palpatine didn’t defeat the Jedi Order by fighting, but through masterful political manoeuvring, placing the Jedi in a position where they compromise themselves by fighting a war deliberately designed to wear them down.
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** Abandoning one of their own because the Galactic Senate put some pressure on them in the matter. Of course it didn’t help that while circumstantial the evidence of Ahsoka committing treason was strong. By this point we also have had two Jedi fall to the Dark Side in Dooku and Pong Krell so there are legitimate reasons why some of the Council decided there was a chance Ahsok was guilty. Ahsoka also didn’t trust the Council either which resulted in her running, which in turn was what forced the Council to turn her over to the Senate.

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** Abandoning one of their own because the Galactic Senate put some pressure on them in the matter. Of course it didn’t help that while circumstantial the evidence of Ahsoka committing treason was strong. By this point we also have had two Jedi fall to the Dark Side in Dooku and Pong Krell so there are legitimate reasons why some of the Council decided there was a chance Ahsok Ahsoka was guilty. Ahsoka also didn’t trust the Council either which resulted in her running, which in turn was what forced the Council to turn her over to the Senate.
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** Ironically some have pointed out that had the Jedi’s refusal to get more involved with politics as one. We have numerous instances on screen where the Jedi leaving politics to the politicians and we even know that Jedi were not allowed to get involved in local political matters without Senate or High Council approval. This meant that when they were forced to play politics by the war, the Jedi were constantly on the back foot, leaving them open to situations they dislike such as expelling Ahsoka. Palpatine didn’t defeat the Jedi Order by fighting, but through masterful political manoeuvring, placing the Jedi in a position where they compromise themselves by fighting a war deliberately designed to wear them down.

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* FatalFlaw: Complacency as the Prequel movies demonstrate.

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* FatalFlaw: Complacency WeHaveBecomeComplacent as the Prequel movies demonstrate.



** In expanded material, it’s revealed that the Jedi Temple on Corusant was built atop the ruins of a Sith Temple. The Jedi believed they successfully capped the shrine’s power. However, it has since been revealed the evil within the previous Sith Temple clouded their judgement until it was too late for them to sense the growing conspiracy against them. In fact, one episode of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'' reveals that Jedi frequently built temples on the remains of Sith temples, as a way of sealing in their evil.
*** It should be noted the active part of the shrine was actually a section that the Jedi didn’t know about as it was hidden deeper underground then the rest.

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** In expanded material, it’s Expanded material has since revealed that there complacency was something of an inevitability due to the Jedi Temple on Corusant was being built atop the ruins of a Sith Temple. The Jedi believed they successfully capped the shrine’s power. However, power but instead it has since been revealed the evil within the previous Sith Temple clouded their the Jedi’s collective judgement until it was too late for them to sense the growing conspiracy against them. In fact, one them.
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** Yoda later acknowledged to Luke that in their final days the Jedi had become mired in politics and had lost touch of their true purpose. The Order refused to announce their suspicions of the Sith's return or take a more aggressive stance in their search for fear of causing a panic. Looking back, Yoda says if he knew then what he did now, he'd have done things differently.



* WeHaveBecomeComplacent: By the start of the Prequel Trilogy, it's been about a thousand years since the Sith were a visible threat and the Council believes them to have been wiped out forever. This leads directly to their downfall, as even after they are forced to admit at the end of ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' that the Darksider who killed Master Qui-Gon Jinn was a Sith, they fail to realize that the current Dark Lord is right in front of them as the Chancellor of the Republic until it's too late. ''[[Literature/StarWarsTarkin Tarkin]]'' revealed that this was an inevitability: the Jedi Temple on Coruscant was built over an ancient Sith shrine, which corrupted their collective vision until by the Clone Wars they fail to notice the Sith conspiracy right under their noses.
** The surest sign of this complacency is in ''Attack of the Clones'', when Jocasta Nu (a Jedi Master who served as the Chief Librarian of the Jedi Archives) assumes the planet Kamino must not exist since she cannot find any records of it, believing their database to be infallible. It takes a youngling to point out the obvious answer that the Archives must have been tampered with, which is exactly what Count Dooku did. The Jedi Order's blind faith and arrogance left them easy prey for Palpatine's manipulations.
** Yoda admitted all this to Luke, acknowledging that the Jedi Order had allowed itself to become mired in political matters during its time as guardians of the Republic and losing touch with their true purpose of communing with the Force, as well as allowing the public's opinion to sway their judgement. They refused to announce their suspicions of the Sith's return or take a more aggressive stance in their search for fear of causing a panic. Looking back, Yoda says if he knew then what he did now, he'd have done things much more differently and made huge changes to the Order.

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** Abandoning one of their own because the Galactic Senate put some pressure on them in the matter. Of course it didn’t help that while circumstantial the evidence of Ahsoka committing treason was strong. She also didn’t trust the Council either which resulted in her running, which made thins look worse.

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** Abandoning one of their own because the Galactic Senate put some pressure on them in the matter. Of course it didn’t help that while circumstantial the evidence of Ahsoka committing treason was strong. She By this point we also have had two Jedi fall to the Dark Side in Dooku and Pong Krell so there are legitimate reasons why some of the Council decided there was a chance Ahsok was guilty. Ahsoka also didn’t trust the Council either which resulted in her running, which made thins look worse.in turn was what forced the Council to turn her over to the Senate.



* {{Pride}}: The Jedi Order is generally complacent after a millennium of getting mired in the Republic's affairs and not encountering the Sith. While speaking with Obi-Wan and Windu, Yoda acknowledges in the form of a StealthInsult that Anakin isn't the only overconfident Jedi around.

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* {{Pride}}: The Jedi Order is generally complacent after a millennium of getting mired in the Republic's affairs and not encountering the Sith. While speaking with Obi-Wan and Windu, Yoda also acknowledges in the form of a StealthInsult that Anakin isn't the only overconfident Jedi around.aren’t immune too overconfidence.



* ProperlyParanoid: They are initially reluctant to train Anakin as a Jedi on account of him being too old to begin his training and thus [[TheCorruptible vulnerable to the Dark Side]]. Slowly turns into ImproperlyParanoid when their continued mistrust in him despite his achievements leaves him feeling alienated and unwilling to seek proper guidance to deal with his growing personality issues, in turn making him all the easier for Palpatine to gain the trust of.

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* ProperlyParanoid: They are initially reluctant to train Anakin as a Jedi on account of him being too old to begin his training and thus [[TheCorruptible vulnerable to the Dark Side]]. Slowly turns into ImproperlyParanoid when their continued mistrust in of him in Revenge of the Sith despite his achievements leaves him feeling alienated and unwilling to seek proper guidance to deal with his growing personality issues, which in turn making him all the makes it easier for Palpatine to gain turn him to the trust of.Dark side.



** George Lucas intensely disliked this part of the EU. Mara Jade marrying Luke Skywalker is the reason he dislikes the character. For him Jedi had never at any point in their history gotten married.



* SelfFulfillingProphecy: Their wariness to trust Anakin due to his closeness to the DarkSide is a major part of why he turns in the first place.

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* SelfFulfillingProphecy: Their wariness to trust Anakin due to his closeness to the DarkSide Palpatine is a major part of why he turns in sides with the first place.Sith Lord and ends up turning to the dark side.

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** [[https://youtu.be/GaXHDpCe-KI Shown right here when even someone as noble as Obi-Wan completely dismisses the possibility of the Republic being under the direct control of a Sith lord because he believes the Jedi would have sensed it]].

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** [[https://youtu.be/GaXHDpCe-KI Shown right here when Also even someone as noble as Obi-Wan completely dismisses the possibility of the Republic being under the direct control of a Sith lord because he believes the Jedi would have sensed it]].it]].
*** In fairness, Sith do specialise in deception and you can never really trust they’ll be telling you the truth about anything.Yoda and Windu also do agree to keep an eye on the Senate which means that aren’t entirely dismissing the idea of something being wrong. Windu also believes Anakin that Sidious and Palpatine are the same remarkably quickly.



* InItForLife: While not official policy, it seems to be that once you're a Jedi, you're a Jedi all the way. Actual resignations, and not just someone falling to the Dark Side, are ''extremely'' rare (about twenty masters over their history, with Dooku being the most recent). Understandable, given it'd mean someone with Jedi skills and training wandering around the Galaxy doing goodness-knows-what, but it is a major source of angst for any (like, say, Anakin) who find their vow starting to chafe.

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* InItForLife: While not official policy, it seems to be that once you're a Jedi, you're a Jedi all the way. Actual resignations, and not just someone falling to the Dark Side, are ''extremely'' rare uncommon (about twenty masters over their history, with Dooku being the most recent). Understandable, That said, over the years we have been given it'd mean someone with examples of other Jedi skills and training wandering around leaving the Galaxy doing goodness-knows-what, but it is a major source Order from Padawans to Initiates the majority of angst for any (like, say, Anakin) who find whom returned to their vow starting to chafe.families when they didn’t become Padawans.



* KnightTemplar: At their worst, even without directly turning to the DarkSide, the Jedi can be incredibly self-righteous assholes. Their continued arrogance played no small part in their eventual downfall.

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* KnightTemplar: At their worst, even without directly turning to the DarkSide, the some Jedi can be incredibly self-righteous assholes. Their continued arrogance played no small part in their eventual downfall.assholes.



* LightIsGood: Despite all of the Jedi Order's faults, the followers of the Light Side of the Force are heroic to the bitter end.

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* LightIsGood: Despite all of the Jedi Order's faults, the everything as followers of the Light Side side of the Force are Force, the Jedi Order is heroic to the bitter end.



** The Jedi frequently fall victim to arrogance, ignoring threats until they blow up in their collective faces. Their mistrust of Anakin, keeping him at a distance and keeping secrets from him, also played a role in his fall to the Dark Side.

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** The Jedi frequently fall of the Prequels fell victim to arrogance, ignoring complacency, their slowness in tackling threats until they blow resulted in it blowing up in their collective faces. Their mistrust of Anakin, keeping him at a distance and keeping secrets from him, Anakin in Episode III due to his close relationship with the Chancellor also played a role in his fall to the Dark Side.



* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: The Jedi Council is an ensemble of the most powerful, most knowledgeable and wisest beings in the Galaxy... yet they continue making very questionable decisions, such as:
** Dismissing Qui-Gon's warning about the return of the Sith and not giving him reinforcements to protect Queen Amidala when she decided to return to Naboo and solve the Trade Federation occupation herself. This led to Qui-Gon's death at the hand of Darth Maul and the very emotional Anakin being trained by the freshly knighted and unprepared Obi-Wan.
** Lying to the emotionally unstable Anakin about Obi-Wan's faked death since they needed his reaction to be [[WeWouldHaveToldYouBut genuine]].
** Abandoning one of their own based upon circumstantial evidence that she committed treason because the Galactic Senate put some pressure on them in the matter. What's worse was not even really apologizing after she was proven innocent, considering the whole ordeal just another trial.

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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: The Jedi Council is an ensemble of the most powerful, most knowledgeable and wisest beings in the Galaxy... yet they continue making very questionable decisions, decisions which are unwise in hindsight such as:
** Dismissing Their hesitancy in believing Qui-Gon's warning about the return of the Sith and not giving him reinforcements to protect Queen Amidala when she decided to return to Naboo and solve the Trade Federation occupation herself. This led to Qui-Gon's death at the hand of Darth Maul and the very emotional Anakin being trained by the freshly knighted and unprepared Obi-Wan.
** Lying to the emotionally unstable Anakin about Obi-Wan's faked death since they needed his reaction to be [[WeWouldHaveToldYouBut genuine]].
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** Abandoning one of their own based upon circumstantial evidence that she committed treason because the Galactic Senate put some pressure on them in the matter. What's worse Of course it didn’t help that while circumstantial the evidence of Ahsoka committing treason was not even really apologizing after she was proven innocent, considering strong. She also didn’t trust the whole ordeal just another trial.Council either which resulted in her running, which made thins look worse.
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** In expanded material, it’s revealed that the Jedi Temple on Corusant was built atop the ruins of a Sith Temple. The Jedi assumed they successfully capped the shrine’s power. However, it has since been revealed the evil within the previous Sith Temple clouded their judgement until it was too late for them to sense the growing conspiracy against them. In fact, one episode of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'' reveals that Jedi frequently built temples on the remains of Sith temples, as a way of sealing in their evil.
*** It should be noted the active part of the shrine was actually a section that the Jedi didn’t know about.
** Another instance of arrogance is in ''Attack of the Clones'' when Obi-Wan is searching for Kamino in the Jedi Archives. When he doesn’t find it, the librarian not only dismisses it as not existing, she outright states that her records are never wrong and if he can’t find it then it simply doesn’t exist. It takes a padawan to tell him that someone obviously tampered with the archives.

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** In expanded material, it’s revealed that the Jedi Temple on Corusant was built atop the ruins of a Sith Temple. The Jedi assumed believed they successfully capped the shrine’s power. However, it has since been revealed the evil within the previous Sith Temple clouded their judgement until it was too late for them to sense the growing conspiracy against them. In fact, one episode of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'' reveals that Jedi frequently built temples on the remains of Sith temples, as a way of sealing in their evil.
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** Another instance of arrogance complacency is in ''Attack of the Clones'' when Obi-Wan is searching for Kamino in the Jedi Archives. When he doesn’t find it, the librarian not only dismisses it as not existing, she outright states that her records are never wrong and if he can’t find it then it simply doesn’t exist. It takes a padawan to tell him Nobody could have expected that someone obviously tampered with a revered former Jedi who was still held in good esteem and welcome in the archives.Temple would abuse their trust and delete a whole planet from the Archives using the credentials of the best friend he assassinated.



* TheSpock: The Jedi ideal is to escape from emotion and passion to commune with the Force.

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* TheSpock: The Jedi ideal is to escape from let go of emotion and passion to commune with the Force.Force. This has been frequently misunderstood as the Jedi promoting emotional suppression when repressing emotions is actually the exact opposite of what they teach their members.

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* FatalFlaw: Arrogance and complacency as the Prequel movies demonstrate.
** The first scene to show this is where Qui-Gon Jinn tells the council that his attacker on Tatooine was a Sith Lord, they dismiss him outright because they arrogantly believe the Sith have been extinct for the past millennium.
** In expanded material, it’s revealed that the Jedi Temple on Corusant was built atop the ruins of a Sith Temple. This is basically like taking a piss on your enemy’s grave after you killed and buried him. Furthermore, it was also revealed the evil within the previous Sith Temple clouded their judgement until it was too late for them to sense the growing conspiracy against them. In fact, one episode of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'' reveals that Jedi frequently built temples on the remains of Sith temples, as a way of sealing in their evil.

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* FatalFlaw: Arrogance and complacency Complacency as the Prequel movies demonstrate.
** The first scene to show this is where Qui-Gon Jinn tells the council that his attacker on Tatooine was a Sith Lord, they dismiss him outright because having seen no Sith activity since their defeat a millennia ago they arrogantly believe the Sith have been extinct for the past millennium.
are believed to be extinct.
** In expanded material, it’s revealed that the Jedi Temple on Corusant was built atop the ruins of a Sith Temple. This is basically like taking a piss on your enemy’s grave after you killed and buried him. Furthermore, The Jedi assumed they successfully capped the shrine’s power. However, it was also has since been revealed the evil within the previous Sith Temple clouded their judgement until it was too late for them to sense the growing conspiracy against them. In fact, one episode of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsResistance'' reveals that Jedi frequently built temples on the remains of Sith temples, as a way of sealing in their evil.evil.
*** It should be noted the active part of the shrine was actually a section that the Jedi didn’t know about.
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* InItForLife: While not official policy, it seems to be that once you're a Jedi, you're a Jedi all the way. Actual resignations, and not just someone falling to the Dark Side, are ''extremely'' rare (about twenty masters over their history, with Dooku being the most recent). Understandable, given it'd mean someone with Jedi skills and training wandering around the Galaxy doing goodness-knows-what, but it is a major source of angst for any (like, say, Anakin) who find their vow starting to chafe.

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* TheBusCameBack: After essentially disappearing after assisting the Younglings with their training in ''The Clone Wars'', Huyang is revealed to have survived the Purge in ''Series/{{Ahsoka}}'', where he makes his first live action appearance.



* UncertainDoom: Considering that the Jedi and anyone associated with them were hunted and killed by the Empire after Palpatine executed Order 66, things aren't looking so good for Huyang unless he somehow managed to go into hiding or found another method of avoiding persecution.

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* UncertainDoom: Considering that the Jedi and anyone associated with them were hunted and killed by the Empire after Palpatine executed Order 66, things aren't looking so good for Huyang unless he somehow managed to go into hiding or found another method of avoiding persecution. He later shows up in ''Series/{{Ahsoka}}'', revealing that he survived the Purge somehow.
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->'''Appearances:''' ''[[ComicBook/StarWarsAgeOfRepublic Age of Republic]]''[[note]]flashback only[[/note]] | ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]''

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->'''Appearances:''' ''[[ComicBook/StarWarsAgeOfRepublic Age of Republic]]''[[note]]flashback only[[/note]] | ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]''
Wars]]'' | ''Series/{{Ahsoka}}''
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* AscendedExtra: ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' gives a significant amount of Jedi that are featured in the Prequel Trilogy as peripheral characters fleshed-out and expanded roles.

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* AscendedExtra: ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' gives a significant amount of Jedi that are featured in the Prequel Trilogy as peripheral characters fleshed-out and expanded roles.
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* ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice: Maul skewers her [[InTheBack from behind]] with his lightsaber.


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* TheVoiceless: She has no lines before dying.
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-->'''Obi-Wan:''' Our loyalty is to the Republic, not to its leader, who has stayed in office ''long'' after his term expired.\\
'''Anakin:''' The Senate demanded he stay in power.\\
'''Obi-Wan:''' Anakin, use your senses, something is not ''right''.

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-->'''Obi-Wan:''' Our loyalty allegiance is to the Republic, Senate, not to its leader, who has stayed in office ''long'' after his term expired.\\
'''Anakin:''' The Senate demanded that he stay in power.stayed longer.\\
'''Obi-Wan:''' Anakin, use your senses, feelings, something is not ''right''.out of ''place''.
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* MyCountryRightOrWrong: Despite supposedly being the "guardians of peace and justice", toward the end of the Old Republic the Jedi started becoming too loyal to the increasingly corrupt or ineffectual Senate, rather than the Republic as a whole, something pointed out as far back as when Qui-Gon was a mere padawan. By the end of the Clone Wars, some of them had only just begun to realize they were being too loyal to the whims of Palpatine rather than doing something about it, but at the same time noted there was no good solution to that one.
-->'''Obi-Wan:''' Our loyalty is to the Republic, not to its leader, who has stayed in office ''long'' after his term expired.\\
'''Anakin:''' The Senate demanded he stay in power.\\
'''Obi-Wan:''' Anakin, use your senses, something is not ''right''.


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* OrderReborn: Luke tried doing this after the Empire fell. The machinations of Snoke manage to scupper that.
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** ''The Clone Wars'' reveals said war turning public opinion against the Jedi, who saw their involvement as adding to the destruction and suffering and them betraying their ideals of peacekeepers and heroes. This was part of Palpatine's plan to justify his purge of them.

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** ''The Clone Wars'' reveals said war turning turned public opinion against the Jedi, who saw their involvement as adding to the destruction and suffering and them betraying their ideals of peacekeepers and heroes.heroes. Even multiple members of their own order began to lose faith in it as apparent hypocrisy grew more rampant over the course of the war, with Anakin Skywalker's own disillusionment playing a major role in his eventual turn to TheDarkSide. This was part of Palpatine's plan to justify his purge of them.



* HopeBringer: What the Jedi are often depicted as throughout throughout the franchise. In spite of their own role in the Clone Wars, as well as the Empire’s efforts to discredit the Jedi Order, the Jedi are typically depicted as beings whose very presence inspires others to act and who give people something to believe in. This can best be seen in Film/TheLastJedi. When Luke appears on Crait his very presence and defiance of the First Order elicits awe and helps reignite hope and a will to fight within the battered Resistance.

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* HopeBringer: What the Jedi are often depicted as throughout throughout the franchise. In spite of their own role in the Clone Wars, as well as the Empire’s efforts to discredit the Jedi Order, the Jedi are typically depicted as beings whose very presence inspires others to act and who give people something to believe in. This can best be seen in Film/TheLastJedi.''Film/TheLastJedi''. When Luke appears on Crait his very presence and defiance of the First Order elicits awe and helps reignite hope and a will to fight within the battered Resistance.



* OneManArmy: [[ZigZaggedTrope Zig-Zagged]]. As has been shown often, while all Jedi have a degree of martial training and a certain level of combat experience is mandatory, they also specialized in the areas of the force and tasks that they had a strong affinity with. While any Jedi would have no trouble defeating dozens of simple thugs, a squad of trained soldiers, or a handful of combat droids, most Jedi weren't the melee monsters that Mace Windu, Obi Wan, Yoda, or Anakin were. Many Jedi were librarians, negotiators, archeologist, and experts in a number of non-combat related fields. Likewise, their force aptitudes may not have lent themselves at all towards direct combat such as Jedi who had a strong affinity for empathy, precognition, psychometry or a variety of passive or utility force powers. While the Jedi who specialized in combat could decimate a small army of normal clone troopers on their own, most of the others in the order were only on the level of elite soldiers or specialists.

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* OneManArmy: [[ZigZaggedTrope Zig-Zagged]]. As has been shown often, while all Jedi have a degree of martial training and a certain level of combat experience is mandatory, they also specialized in the areas of the force and tasks that they had a strong affinity with. While any Jedi would have no trouble defeating dozens of simple thugs, a squad of trained soldiers, or a handful of combat droids, most Jedi weren't the melee monsters that Mace Windu, Obi Wan, Yoda, or Anakin were. Many Jedi were librarians, negotiators, archeologist, archeologists, and experts in a number of non-combat related fields. Likewise, their force aptitudes may not have lent themselves at all towards direct combat such as Jedi who had a strong affinity for empathy, precognition, psychometry or a variety of passive or utility force powers. While the Jedi who specialized in combat could decimate a small army of normal clone troopers on their own, most of the others in the order were only on the level of elite soldiers or specialists.



* ProperlyParanoid: They are initially reluctant to train Anakin as a Jedi on account of him being too old to begin his training and thus [[TheCorruptible vulnerable to the Dark Side]].

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* ProperlyParanoid: They are initially reluctant to train Anakin as a Jedi on account of him being too old to begin his training and thus [[TheCorruptible vulnerable to the Dark Side]]. Slowly turns into ImproperlyParanoid when their continued mistrust in him despite his achievements leaves him feeling alienated and unwilling to seek proper guidance to deal with his growing personality issues, in turn making him all the easier for Palpatine to gain the trust of.

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