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* AssholeVictim: Being a mugger responsible for the miscarriage of a baby in one of his muggings makes him deserve everything coming to him. Even though it was later revealed that he was pressured into robbing the clinic by [[spoiler:Amanda]] and was very uncomfortable doing so because Jill had been nice to him, Cecil quickly returned to his crooked way of life with no lasting remorse.
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* AssholeVictim: Being a A mugger responsible for the miscarriage of a baby in one of his muggings makes him deserve everything coming to him.muggings. Even though it was later revealed that he was pressured into robbing the clinic by [[spoiler:Amanda]] and was very uncomfortable doing so because Jill had been nice to him, Cecil quickly returned to his crooked way of life with no lasting remorse.
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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain. Implied. He had Neo-Nazi symbols tattooed on his body and murdered a woman in cold blood. Besides killing his sister, this might have given Hoffman more of a reason to have him killed [[Film/Saw3D given his track record with Neo-Nazis]].
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[[Characters/SawJigsawAndAccomplices Jigsaw and Accomplices]] ([[Characters/SawJohnKramer John Kramer]]) | [[Characters/SawOtherAntagonists Other Antagonists]] | [[Characters/SawLawEnforcement Law Enforcement]] ([[Characters/SawMetropolitanPoliceDepartment Metropolitan Police Department]]) | [[Characters/SawOtherCharacters Other Characters]] ([[Characters/SawIToIII I-III]], '''IV-VI''', [[Characters/Saw3DToJigsaw 3D-Jigsaw]])-]]]]]
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[[Characters/SawJigsawAndAccomplices Jigsaw and Accomplices]] ([[Characters/SawJohnKramer John Kramer]]) | [[Characters/SawOtherAntagonists Other Antagonists]] | [[Characters/SawLawEnforcement Law Enforcement]] ([[Characters/SawMetropolitanPoliceDepartment Metropolitan Police Department]]) | [[Characters/SawOtherCharacters Other Characters]] ([[Characters/SawIToIII I-III]], '''IV-VI''', [[Characters/Saw3DToJigsaw 3D-Jigsaw]])-]]]]][[Characters/Saw3DToX 3D-X]])-]]]]]
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* CowardiceCallout: When William essentially sentences Josh to die by choosing to save Shelby, Josh calls William spineless among a tirade of other insults before meeting his end, and he ''hisses'' at William to look at him as he's about to die. He has a point in that up until he got caught in Jigsaw's games, William never had to watch the deaths of his company's healthcare recipients whom he sentenced to potentially-avoidable deaths based on a near-Darwinist company policy.
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* CowardiceCallout: When William essentially sentences Josh to die by choosing to save Shelby, Josh calls William spineless among a tirade of other insults (including one about how both of the victims he saved, Emily and Shelby, are female) before meeting his end, and he ''hisses'' at William to look at him as he's about to die. He has a point in that up until he got caught in Jigsaw's games, William never had to watch the deaths of his company's healthcare recipients whom he sentenced to potentially-avoidable deaths based on a near-Darwinist company policy.
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Josh delivers what is easily the most epic one of these speeches in the series (listed under DyingMomentOfAwesome above). Once his boss decides not to save him, Josh lets him have it shortly before the shotgun blasts a hole in his chest.
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Josh delivers what is easily the most epic one of these speeches in the series (listed under DyingMomentOfAwesome above). Once his boss decides not to save him, him in favor of Emily and Shelby, Josh lets him have it shortly before the shotgun blasts a hole in his chest.
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* CorruptCorporateExecutive: As aforementioned, their jobs were looking for loopholes in William's policies to deny people health insurance.
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* CorruptCorporateExecutive: As aforementioned, their jobs were looking for loopholes in William's policies to deny people health insurance.insurance, and most (if not all) don't seem to feel any remorse over it.
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* BadLiar: Gena makes a pathetic attempt at claiming she's pregnant to gain William's sympathy. The stilted acting and panic make it too obvious she's lying, however, and she's called out for it by the other victims.
-->'''Gena:''' Uhmm... I'm--[[BlatantLies I'm pregnant!]]
-->'''Josh:''' No, she's not! She's lying!
-->'''Gena:''' Uhmm... I'm--[[BlatantLies I'm pregnant!]]
-->'''Josh:''' No, she's not! She's lying!
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* BadLiar: Gena makes a pathetic attempt at claiming she's pregnant to gain William's sympathy. The stilted acting and panic Her stilted, panicked attitude [[BlatantLies make it too obvious that she's lying, however, lying]], and she's called Josh and Shelby call her out for it by the other victims.
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-->'''Gena:''' Uhmm... I'm--[[BlatantLies I- I'm pregnant!]]
-->'''Josh:'''pregnant! I'm- I am pregnant!\\
'''Josh:''' No, she's not! [[ThatLiarLies She's lying]]! She's fucking lying! Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Shelby:''' Mr. Easton, she's lying!
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'''Josh:''' No, she's not! [[ThatLiarLies She's lying]]! She's fucking lying! Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Shelby:''' Mr. Easton, she's lying!
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* RightForTheWrongReasons: ''Saw X'' reveals that the "experimental treatment" for John that William refused to cover was actually a scam, even though William (presumably) had no way of knowing that.
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* RightForTheWrongReasons: ''Saw X'' reveals that As it turns out in ''Film/SawX'', the "experimental treatment" for John that William refused to cover was actually a scam, even though which William (presumably) had no way of knowing that.knowing.
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* CorruptCorporateExecutive: Downplayed; Jigsaw considers him one, for denying customers coverage when it could have saved their lives or eased their sickness, but it's clear that doesn't enjoy doing so, and his interest is more in protecting company profits rather than actually wanting to hurt anyone. However, William did develop his own so-called "formula" to determine who gets coverage and who doesn't, and is fully onboard with his subordinates poking holes in insurance applications and effectively screwing his clients out of their coverage for even minor and unintentional oversights. Ultimately, while he isn't a corrupt man personally, he was happily perpetuating the corrupt system of American health insurance before being subjected to Jigsaw's game.
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* CorruptCorporateExecutive: Downplayed; Jigsaw John considers him one, for denying customers coverage when it could have saved their lives or eased their sickness, but it's clear that doesn't enjoy doing so, and his interest is more in protecting company profits rather than actually wanting to hurt anyone. However, That said, William did develop his own so-called "formula" to determine who gets coverage and who doesn't, doesn't (even having bragged to John about it once), and is fully onboard with his subordinates poking holes in insurance applications and effectively screwing his clients out of their coverage for even minor and or unintentional oversights. Ultimately, while he William isn't a corrupt man personally, he was happily perpetuating the a corrupt system of American health insurance system before being subjected to Jigsaw's a game.
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* ShoutOut: He and the Bedroom Trap scenario he's put into might comprise a big one to the cover art of Music/{{Sodom}}'s album ''Get What You Deserve'', what with the bedroom location, the intense red lightning, the playing of a sex tape on a TV screen, and Ivan looking similar to the man on the cover (as well as befitting the cover's aesthetic by being a SerialRapist).
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* AllThereInTheManual: WordOfGod claims that Pamela is [[BreakTheCutie relatively]] fine after the events of the movie. She was planned to make a cameo in the survivor meetup in ''3D'', but she didn't make it into the film.
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* AllThereInTheManual: WordOfGod [[invoked]]WordOfGod claims that Pamela is [[BreakTheCutie relatively]] fine after the events of the movie. She was planned to make a cameo in the survivor meetup in ''3D'', ''Film/Saw3D'', but she didn't make it into the film.
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* RightForTheWrongReasons: ''Saw X'' reveals that the "experimental treatment" for John that William refused to cover was actually a scam, even though William (presumably) had no way of knowing that.
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* ThatLiarLies: A tirade of these rolls around between Josh and Shelby when Gena tries to convince William to save her by saying [[BlatantLies she's pregnant]].
--->'''Gena:''' Umm... I- I'm pregnant! I'm- I am pregnant!\\
'''Josh:''' No, she's not! She's lying! She's fucking lying! Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Shelby:''' Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' Fuck you!\\
'''Josh:''' Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' I'm pregnant!\\
'''Josh:''' She's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' (''as the carousel stops with her in front of the shotgun'') No! No, fuck! I'm pregnant!\\
'''Josh:''' No, she's lying! She's fucking lying!\\
'''Shelby:''' Mr. Easton, it's not true!\\
'''Gena:''' Please! Please! (''the shotgun begins to arm'') Fuck! Push the thing! PUSH THE THING!\\
'''Josh:''' She's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' No, Mr. Easton! Push it, push the thing!
--->'''Gena:''' Umm... I- I'm pregnant! I'm- I am pregnant!\\
'''Josh:''' No, she's not! She's lying! She's fucking lying! Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Shelby:''' Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' Fuck you!\\
'''Josh:''' Mr. Easton, she's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' I'm pregnant!\\
'''Josh:''' She's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' (''as the carousel stops with her in front of the shotgun'') No! No, fuck! I'm pregnant!\\
'''Josh:''' No, she's lying! She's fucking lying!\\
'''Shelby:''' Mr. Easton, it's not true!\\
'''Gena:''' Please! Please! (''the shotgun begins to arm'') Fuck! Push the thing! PUSH THE THING!\\
'''Josh:''' She's lying!\\
'''Gena:''' No, Mr. Easton! Push it, push the thing!
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: They don't appear in the survivor meeting in ''Saw 3D'', but like with Pamela, WordOfGod says that this is due to Devon Bostick and Shauna [=MacDonald=] being too busy to reprise their roles.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: They don't appear Tara appears in the survivor meeting in ''Saw 3D'', but like with Pamela, WordOfGod says that this is due to Devon Bostick and Shauna [=MacDonald=] being too busy to reprise their roles.not Brent.
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* OnlySaneWoman: As the Jigsaw meeting in ''Saw 3D'', she's the ''only'' survivor who realizes that Jigsaw's games don't actually help anyone and that his methods are beyond fucked up.
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* OnlySaneWoman: As From what the Jigsaw Survivor Group meeting in ''Saw 3D'', 3D'' implies, she's the ''only'' survivor who realizes who's aware that Jigsaw's games don't actually help anyone and that his methods are beyond fucked up.
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* BringMyBrownPants: In the Oxygen Crusher game, he wets himself involuntarily as a combined result of his panicking and the growing pain from the clamps around his ribcage closing in on it.
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* OnlySaneWoman: As the Jigsaw meeting in ''Saw 3D'', she's the ''only'' survivor who realizes that Jigsaw's games don't actually help anyone and that his methods are beyond fucked up.
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A group of insurance analysts who used to work for William in finding errors in policies to potentially deny people health insurance. To survive, they have to rely on the help of William. Standing on a pedestal outside the enclosure was a room with two buttons inside. Every time the carousel came to a standstill, William has to simply press both buttons simultaneously in order to save the victim in front of the shotgun. In return, the shotgun would go into an upright position and shoot above the other person's head without harming them, before returning to its original position. However, [[SadisticChoice only two people could be saved while the other four inevitably had to die]].
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A group of insurance analysts who used to work for William in finding errors in policies to potentially deny people health insurance.insurance (whom William himself referred to collectively as "the Dog Pit"). To survive, they have to rely on the help of William. Standing on a pedestal outside the enclosure was a room with two buttons inside. Every time the carousel came to a standstill, William has to simply press both buttons simultaneously in order to save the victim in front of the shotgun. In return, the shotgun would go into an upright position and shoot above the other person's head without harming them, before returning to its original position. However, [[SadisticChoice only two people could be saved while the other four inevitably had to die]].
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* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: While he's not the only reason John became Jigsaw, him causing the miscarriage of John's son was essentially the beginning John's StartOfDarkness.
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* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: While he's not the only reason John became Jigsaw, him causing the miscarriage of John's son was essentially the beginning of John's StartOfDarkness.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: On both counts. Addy is notable for having done ''absolutely nothing wrong'' and enjoying her life. While she worked for William, she merely scheduled his appointments and was not complicit in his work. Allen himself simply maintained William's files and documents, having no role in denying people insurance like his other workers.
** Allen dying means that basically he was punished for [[LonersAreFreaks having no friends or a family of his own]].
** Allen dying means that basically he was punished for [[LonersAreFreaks having no friends or a family of his own]].
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** Addy is notable for having done ''absolutely nothing wrong'' and enjoying her life. While she worked for William, she merely scheduled his appointments and was not complicit in hiswork. work.
** Allenhimself simply also merely maintained William's files and documents, having no role in denying people insurance like his other workers.
** Allendocuments. Him dying means that he was basically he was punished for [[LonersAreFreaks having no friends or a family of his own]].
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* HateSink: Can you really sympathise with a serial rapist? Notably, he's also the only victim Rigg feels no compassion for -- he actually ''draws his gun'' to force Ivan into the Bedroom Trap.
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* HateSink: Can you really sympathise with a serial rapist? Notably, he's also the only victim Rigg feels no compassion for -- he for, as the latter actually ''draws his gun'' to force Ivan into the Bedroom Trap.
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* HateSink: Can you really sympathise with a serial rapist? He's notably the only victim Riggs feels no compassion for - Riggs actually ''draws his gun'' to force Ivan into the trap.
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* HateSink: Can you really sympathise with a serial rapist? He's notably Notably, he's also the only victim Riggs Rigg feels no compassion for - Riggs -- he actually ''draws his gun'' to force Ivan into the trap.Bedroom Trap.
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** Allen dying means that basically he was punished for [[LonersAreFreaks having no friends or a family of his own]].
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** Being Jigsaw's first designed trap, the Knife Chair was fundamentally flawed, and Cecil managed to free himself from it because the chair gave away before he could fully pass his face through the blades.
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** Being Jigsaw's first designed trap, the Knife Chair was fundamentally flawed, and Cecil managed to free quickly freed himself from it because the chair gave away before he could fully pass his face through the blades.blade contraption.