Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:He unknowingly attempts to burn the wounded Faramir alive when he decides to commit suicide after being overwhelmed by grief and the belief that his remaining son is already dead. Fortunately, Faramir survives due to Gandalf and Pippin's intervention]]
Changed line(s) 78 (click to see context) from:
* PapaWolf: He attacks Pippin when he believes that the latter attempts to take Faramir's body from him.
to:
* PapaWolf: He [[spoiler:He attacks Pippin when he believes that the latter attempts to take Faramir's body from him.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* PapaWolf: He attacks Pippin when he believes that the latter attempts to take Faramir's body from him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* OutlivingOnesOffspring: Denethor is utterly anguished upon learning about the death of his favorite son Boromir.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 233,234 (click to see context) from:
* FaceDeathWithDignity: He calmly accepts his death and dies peacefully
'''Théoden''': My body is broken. You have to let me go...I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed.
'''Théoden''': My body is broken. You have to let me go...I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed.
to:
* FaceDeathWithDignity: He calmly accepts his death and dies peacefully
'''Théoden''':peacefully.
-->'''Théoden''': My body is broken. You have to let me go...I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed.
'''Théoden''':
-->'''Théoden''': My body is broken. You have to let me go...I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 407 (click to see context) :
* AdultFear: Bard fears for the safety of his three children and his town that something nearly unstoppable could come anytime and destroy them all. [[spoiler:It's especially shown in the scene when he's trying to fight his way to the market and sees a gigantic troll coming towards them, ready to kill, and when he is using Bain as a makeshift bow in a last-ditch attempt to kill Smaug.]]
Changed line(s) 434 (click to see context) from:
* PapaWolf: Has little interest in claiming his birthright as Lord of Dale compared to his overwhelming need to protect Bain, Sigrid, and Tilda (especially after his wife's death).
to:
* PapaWolf: Has little interest in claiming his birthright as Lord of Dale compared to his overwhelming need to protect Bain, Sigrid, and Tilda (especially after his wife's death). Bard fears for the safety of his three children and his town that something nearly unstoppable could come anytime and destroy them all. [[spoiler:It's especially shown in the scene when he's trying to fight his way to the market and sees a gigantic troll coming towards them, ready to kill, and when he is using Bain as a makeshift bow in a last-ditch attempt to kill Smaug.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 96 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Idzi Dutkiewicz (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/MitsuruMiyamoto (Japanese dub), Jérôme Pauwels (French dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Idzi Dutkiewicz Creator/IdziDutkiewicz (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/MitsuruMiyamoto (Japanese dub), Jérôme Pauwels (French dub)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 60 (click to see context) from:
* BadBoss:
to:
* BadBoss: He sends Faramir and hundreds of his soldiers on a suicide mission to retake Osgiliath from Sauron's forces, caring little for their safety. Faramir is the only one who returns with his life barely intact.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* FantasticRacism: He decries Faramir for sending the Ring into Mordor, "in the hands of a witless halfling," with his tone of voice making it clear he considers the name of Frodo's race to be the real insult.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* BadBoss:
Changed line(s) 82 (click to see context) from:
* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: He was the one who pushed Boromir to bring the ring back to Gondor to use as a weapon against Sauron; of course, he can hardly be blamed for the Ring's corrupting influence, but he planted the seeds that the Ring later exploited, which arguably resulted in the Fellowship breaking.
to:
* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: SkewedPriorities: He prioritized holding onto his power as de-facto leader of Gondor and spiting Gandalf over the war against Mordor itself. This bit him in the ass ''hard'' when Sauron's army shows up, and Minas Tirith was only saved due to Gandalf taking control of the defenses and summoning Rohan for aid.
* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom:
** He was the one who pushed Boromir to bring the ring back to Gondor to use as a weapon against Sauron; of course, he can hardly be blamed for the Ring's corrupting influence, but he planted the seeds that the Ring later exploited, which arguably resulted in the Fellowship breaking.
* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom:
** He was the one who pushed Boromir to bring the ring back to Gondor to use as a weapon against Sauron; of course, he can hardly be blamed for the Ring's corrupting influence, but he planted the seeds that the Ring later exploited, which arguably resulted in the Fellowship breaking.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 51 (click to see context) from:
* AbusiveParents: Of the verbal and neglectful variety, although only to Faramir. He favors Boromir and dismisses Faramir entirely, diminishing his accomplishments and blaming him for whatever goes wrong.
to:
* AbusiveParents: Of the verbal and neglectful variety, although only to Faramir. He favors Boromir and dismisses Faramir entirely, diminishing his accomplishments and blaming him for whatever goes wrong. He flat out tells Faramir ''to his face'' that he'd rather Faramir have died at Amon Hen than Boromir.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* FaceDeathWithDignity: He calmly accepts his death and dies peacefully
'''Théoden''': My body is broken. You have to let me go...I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed.
'''Théoden''': My body is broken. You have to let me go...I go to my fathers, in whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed.
Added DiffLines:
* OutlivingOnesOffspring: His son dies in battle, leaving him devastated.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** In ''Literature/UnfinishedTales'', the ''Disaster of the Gladden Fields'' paints him as sincerely regretting ever taking the Ring and he only uses as a last resort to escape after his son Elendur begs him. In the movies he's just runs off after being unhorsed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AdaptationalDumbass: In the books he was a compotent general and strategist who ably set up the defense of Gondor, in the films he's an out of touch GeneralFailure.
Added DiffLines:
* AdaptationalJobChange: Rather than the captain of archers for Lake-Town, he's a bargeman and smuggler.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
* DeathWail: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gogezOlJDs Éomer's reaction]] to Éowyn's [[NotQuiteDead apparent death]] at the Battle of Pelennor Fields involves [[SkywardScream screaming]] and [[ManlyTears sobbing]] that can be described as nothing less than [[TearJerker gut-wrenching.]] Consider that (as the novels spell out) right after finding out that his elderly uncle Theoden is dead, Éowyn is officially his ''last living relative'', making his shock at thinking she has been mortally injured a far greater double-blow.
Deleted line(s) 334 (click to see context) :
* HowlOfSorrow: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gogezOlJDs Éomer's reaction]] to Éowyn's [[NotQuiteDead apparent death]] at the Battle of Pelennor Fields involves [[SkywardScream screaming]] and [[ManlyTears sobbing]] that can be described as nothing less than [[TearJerker gut-wrenching.]] Consider that (as the novels spell out) right after finding out that his elderly uncle Theoden is dead, Éowyn is officially his ''last living relative'', making his shock at thinking she has been mortally injured a far greater double-blow.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Dewicked trope
Deleted line(s) 221 (click to see context) :
* BadassBeard: A short beard, but still visibly cool.
Deleted line(s) 401 (click to see context) :
* BadassBeard: Runs in the family.
Deleted line(s) 491 (click to see context) :
* BadassBeard: Like his descendant, Bard.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 55,56 (click to see context) from:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is a pure suicide mission. In the books, Gondor's forces do not counter-attack at Osgiliath after it has fallen. Instead, Denethor makes the decision to reinforce (the still well-held) Osgiliath after Faramir has returned from there to Minas Tirith with the message of the enemy's approach. Faramir then departs for Osgiliath with the reinforcements and commands the defensive action there, and in the event the city is taken. At this point, Faramir and his men retreat from Osgiliath in mostly good order to the Rammas Echor, the wall encircling the Pelennor Fields, and the Causeway Forts, which guard the main gate in the Rammas and the main road from Osgiliath to Minas Tirith. There, Faramir successfully links up with forces retreating from Cair Andros in the north. He then fights another successful delaying action and again retreats from the Rammas in good order, drawing the enemy recklessly across the built-up and difficult to traverse ground of the townlands of the Pelennor. Only within a few hundred meters of the gates of Minas Tirith does his force begin to rout, which further encourages the enemy to reckless pursuit. At the last instant, the gate opens and Denethor unleashes his sortie, annihilating the enemy's vanguard and recovering Faramir's force. In this defensive campaign, Faramir and Denethor have thus bought time for Minas Tirith to complete its final preparations, and inflicted significant casualties and disorganization on the host of Mordor.
** He also never told Minas Tirith's defenders to abandon their posts. In the books, even at his most hopeless, Denethor did not cease preparing Gondor for war as best he could.
** He also never told Minas Tirith's defenders to abandon their posts. In the books, even at his most hopeless, Denethor did not cease preparing Gondor for war as best he could.
to:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is a pure suicide mission. In the books, Gondor's forces do not counter-attack at Osgiliath after it has fallen. Instead, Denethor makes the decision to reinforce (the still well-held) Osgiliath after Faramir has returned from there to Minas Tirith with the message of the enemy's approach. Faramir then departs for Osgiliath with the reinforcements and commands the defensive action there, and in the event the city is taken. At this point, Faramir and his men retreat from Osgiliath in mostly good order to the Rammas Echor, the wall encircling the Pelennor Fields, and the Causeway Forts, which guard the main gate in the Rammas and the main road from Osgiliath to Minas Tirith. There, Faramir successfully links up with forces retreating from Cair Andros in the north. He then fights another successful defensive action, inflicting heavy casualties and delaying action and again the enemy. When his position becomes untenable, he retreats from the Rammas in good order, drawing the enemy recklessly across the built-up and difficult to traverse ground of the townlands of the Pelennor. Only within a few hundred meters of the gates of Minas Tirith does his force begin to rout, which further encourages the enemy to reckless pursuit. At the last instant, the gate opens and Denethor unleashes his sortie, led by Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth and Gandalf, annihilating the enemy's vanguard and recovering Faramir's force. In this defensive campaign, Faramir and Denethor the lords of Gondor have thus bought time for Minas Tirith to complete its final preparations, and inflicted significant casualties and disorganization on the host of Mordor.
** He also never told Minas Tirith's defenders to abandon their posts. In the books, even at his most hopeless, Denethor did not cease preparing Gondor for war as best he could. But in his final despair he did refuse to command the defense of the city, which was ultimately commanded by Imrahil and Gandalf.
** He also never told Minas Tirith's defenders to abandon their posts. In the books, even at his most hopeless, Denethor did not cease preparing Gondor for war as best he could. But in his final despair he did refuse to command the defense of the city, which was ultimately commanded by Imrahil and Gandalf.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
From the Extended Edition bonus material of “Desolation of Smaug”.
Changed line(s) 584 (click to see context) from:
* CanonForeigner: He's an original character to the film.
to:
* CanonForeigner: He's an original character to the film.films, although he is based on the Master's councillors who are very briefly mentioned in the book.
Changed line(s) 592 (click to see context) from:
* KarmicDeath: [[spoiler:He survives Smaug's attack on Laketown after the Master pushes him out of the boat to lose weight, and despite a near-attempted hanging by the angry survivors and being in the middle of the battle he still avoids any karma, and escapes with a bodice stuffed full of gold. Fortunately, he doesn't escape: he ends up being catapulted into a troll's mouth, killing them both. The Karmic part of this comes when it's one of his gold coins that releases the trebuchet he hides in. His greed and selfishness kill him in the end. ]]
to:
* KarmicDeath: [[spoiler:He survives Smaug's attack on Laketown after the Master pushes him out of the boat to lose weight, and despite a near-attempted hanging by the angry survivors and being in the middle of the battle he still avoids any karma, and escapes with a bodice stuffed full of gold. Fortunately, he doesn't escape: he ends up being catapulted into a troll's mouth, killing them both. The Karmic part of this comes when it's one of his gold coins that releases the trebuchet he hides in. His greed and selfishness kill him in the end. ]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 1 (click to see context) from:
!![[center:'''Navigation:''' [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilm Main]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmTheFellowship The Fellowship]] | '''Men''' | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmElves Elves]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmTheCompany The Company]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmDwarves Dwarves]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmSauronsEvilForces Sauron's Evil Forces]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmIndependentVillains Independent Villains]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmOtherCharacters Other Characters]] ]]
to:
!![[center:'''Navigation:''' [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilm Main]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmTheFellowship The Fellowship]] | '''Men''' | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmElves Elves]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmTheCompany The Company]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmDwarves Dwarves]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmSauronsEvilForces Sauron's Evil Forces]] | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmIndependentVillains Independent Villains]] ([[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmSmaug Smaug]]) | [[Characters/MiddleEarthFilmOtherCharacters Other Characters]] ]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 184 (click to see context) from:
* AdaptationalVillainy: The film focuses far more on Isildur's failure to destroy the ring, and doesn't bring up his earlier (and later) accomplishments. Aragorn for example looks poorly on Isildur and wonders if he's as weak. In the books, Isildur is generally much more fondly remembered as Gondor's co-founder and for ordering Gondor and Arnor as high king following the war of the last alliance. His failure to destroy the ring is more treated as a tragic flaw in an otherwise truly great man.
to:
* AdaptationalVillainy: The film focuses far more on Isildur's failure to destroy the ring, and doesn't bring up his earlier (and later) accomplishments.accomplishments, with the lone exception of his cursing of the Dead Men of Dunharrow. Aragorn for example looks poorly on Isildur and wonders if he's as weak. In the books, Isildur is generally much more fondly remembered as Gondor's co-founder and for ordering Gondor and Arnor as high king following the war of the last alliance. His failure to destroy the ring is more treated as a tragic flaw in an otherwise truly great man.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 142 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' John Bach
to:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' John BachCreator/JohnBach
Changed line(s) 160 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Peter [=McKenzie=]
to:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Peter [=McKenzie=]Creator/PeterMcKenzie
Changed line(s) 177 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Henry Sinclair
to:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Henry SinclairCreator/HenrySinclair
Changed line(s) 351 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Bruce Hopkins
to:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Bruce HopkinsCreator/BruceHopkins
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 43 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Rolando del Castro (Latin American Spanish dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Rolando del Castro (Latin American Spanish dub), Pierre Santini (French dub)
Changed line(s) 91 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Idzi Dutkiewicz (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/MitsuruMiyamoto (Japanese dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Idzi Dutkiewicz (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/MitsuruMiyamoto (Japanese dub), Jérôme Pauwels (French dub)
Changed line(s) 212 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Rogelio Guerra (Latin American Spanish dub), Katsuhiko Sasaki (Japanese dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Rogelio Guerra (Latin American Spanish dub), Katsuhiko Sasaki (Japanese dub), Roger Mollen (French dub)
Changed line(s) 261 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Xóchitl Ugarte (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/TakakoHonda (Japanese dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Xóchitl Ugarte (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/TakakoHonda (Japanese dub), Barbara Tissier (French dub)
Changed line(s) 319 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Raúl Anaya (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/KoichiYamadera (Japanese dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Raúl Anaya (Latin American Spanish dub), Creator/KoichiYamadera (Japanese dub), Jean-Pierre Michaël (French dub)
Changed line(s) 352 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Herman López (Latin American Spanish dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Herman López (Latin American Spanish dub), Pascal Renwick (French dub)
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Pascal Casanova (French dub)
Changed line(s) 386 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Creator/MarioCastaneda (Latin American Spanish dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Creator/MarioCastaneda (Latin American Spanish dub), Cédric Dumont (French dub)
Changed line(s) 441 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Fernando Calderón (Latin American Spanish dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Fernando Calderón (Latin American Spanish dub), Gabriel Bismuth-Bienaimé (French dub)
Changed line(s) 480 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Creator/MarioCastaneda (Latin American Spanish dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Creator/MarioCastaneda (Latin American Spanish dub), Cédric Dumond (French dub)
Changed line(s) 520 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Alejandro Mayén (Latin American Spanish dub)
to:
!!! '''Voiced by:''' Alejandro Mayén (Latin American Spanish dub), Michel Papineschi (French dub)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 184 (click to see context) from:
* AdaptationalVillain: The film focuses far more on Isildur's failure to destroy the ring, and doesn't bring up his earlier (and later) accomplishments. Aragorn for example looks poorly on Isildur and wonders if he's as weak. In the books, Isildur is generally much more fondly remembered as Gondor's co-founder and for ordering Gondor and Arnor as high king following the war of the last alliance. His failure to destroy the ring is more treated as a tragic flaw in an otherwise truly great man.
to:
* AdaptationalVillain: AdaptationalVillainy: The film focuses far more on Isildur's failure to destroy the ring, and doesn't bring up his earlier (and later) accomplishments. Aragorn for example looks poorly on Isildur and wonders if he's as weak. In the books, Isildur is generally much more fondly remembered as Gondor's co-founder and for ordering Gondor and Arnor as high king following the war of the last alliance. His failure to destroy the ring is more treated as a tragic flaw in an otherwise truly great man.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AdaptationalVillain: The film focuses far more on Isildur's failure to destroy the ring, and doesn't bring up his earlier (and later) accomplishments. Aragorn for example looks poorly on Isildur and wonders if he's as weak. In the books, Isildur is generally much more fondly remembered as Gondor's co-founder and for ordering Gondor and Arnor as high king following the war of the last alliance. His failure to destroy the ring is more treated as a tragic flaw in an otherwise truly great man.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu: [[spoiler: When Smaug arrives and begins massacring the folks of Laketown, Bard, with a little improvising and using only his archery skills and the Black Arrow he had in storage, strikes Smaug dead in the midst of his rampage, putting an end to him once and for all.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 210 (click to see context) from:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Bernard Hill
to:
!!! '''Portrayed by:''' Bernard HillCreator/BernardHill
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 55 (click to see context) from:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is a pure suicide mission. In the books, Gondor's forces do not counter-attack at Osgiliath after it has fallen. Instead, Denethor makes the decision to reinforce Osgiliath after Faramir has returned from there to Minas Tirith with the message of the enemy's approach. Once Osgiliath is lost, Faramir and his men retreat in mostly good order to the Rammas Echor, the wall encircling the Pelennor Fields, and the Causeway Forts, which guard the main gate in the Rammas and the main road from Osgiliath to Minas Tirith. There, Faramir successfully links up with forces retreating from Cair Andros in the north. He then fights another successful delaying action and again retreats from the Rammas in good order, drawing the enemy recklessly across the built-up and difficult to traverse ground of the townlands of the Pelennor. Only within a few hundred meters of the gates of Minas Tirith does his force begin to rout, which further encourages the enemy to reckless pursuit. At the last instant, the gate opens and Denethor unleashes his sortie, annihilating the enemy's vanguard and recovering Faramir's force. In this defensive campaign, Faramir and Denethor have thus bought time for Minas Tirith to complete its final preparations, and inflicted significant casualties and disorganization on the host of Mordor.
to:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is a pure suicide mission. In the books, Gondor's forces do not counter-attack at Osgiliath after it has fallen. Instead, Denethor makes the decision to reinforce (the still well-held) Osgiliath after Faramir has returned from there to Minas Tirith with the message of the enemy's approach. Once Faramir then departs for Osgiliath with the reinforcements and commands the defensive action there, and in the event the city is lost, taken. At this point, Faramir and his men retreat from Osgiliath in mostly good order to the Rammas Echor, the wall encircling the Pelennor Fields, and the Causeway Forts, which guard the main gate in the Rammas and the main road from Osgiliath to Minas Tirith. There, Faramir successfully links up with forces retreating from Cair Andros in the north. He then fights another successful delaying action and again retreats from the Rammas in good order, drawing the enemy recklessly across the built-up and difficult to traverse ground of the townlands of the Pelennor. Only within a few hundred meters of the gates of Minas Tirith does his force begin to rout, which further encourages the enemy to reckless pursuit. At the last instant, the gate opens and Denethor unleashes his sortie, annihilating the enemy's vanguard and recovering Faramir's force. In this defensive campaign, Faramir and Denethor have thus bought time for Minas Tirith to complete its final preparations, and inflicted significant casualties and disorganization on the host of Mordor.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 55 (click to see context) from:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is a pure suicide mission. In the books, Gondor's forces do not counter-attack at Osgiliath after it has fallen. Instead, Denethor makes the decision to reinforce Osgiliath after Faramir has returned from there to Minas Tirith with the message of the enemy's approach. Once Osgiliath is lost, Faramir and his men retreat in mostly good order to the Rammas Echor, the wall encircling the Pelennor Fields, and the Causeway Forts, which guard the main gate in the Rammas and the main road from Osgiliath to Minas Tirith. There, Faramir fights another successful delaying action and again retreats in good order, drawing the enemy recklessly across the built-up and difficult to traverse ground of the townlands of the Pelennor. Only within a few hundred meters of the gates of Minas Tirith does his force begin to rout, which further encourages the enemy to reckless pursuit. At the last instant, the gate opens and Denethor unleashes his sortie, annihilating the enemy's vanguard and recovering Faramir's force. In this defensive campaign, Faramir and Denethor have thus bought time for Minas Tirith to complete its final preparations, and inflicted significant casualties and disorganization on the host of Mordor.
to:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is a pure suicide mission. In the books, Gondor's forces do not counter-attack at Osgiliath after it has fallen. Instead, Denethor makes the decision to reinforce Osgiliath after Faramir has returned from there to Minas Tirith with the message of the enemy's approach. Once Osgiliath is lost, Faramir and his men retreat in mostly good order to the Rammas Echor, the wall encircling the Pelennor Fields, and the Causeway Forts, which guard the main gate in the Rammas and the main road from Osgiliath to Minas Tirith. There, Faramir successfully links up with forces retreating from Cair Andros in the north. He then fights another successful delaying action and again retreats from the Rammas in good order, drawing the enemy recklessly across the built-up and difficult to traverse ground of the townlands of the Pelennor. Only within a few hundred meters of the gates of Minas Tirith does his force begin to rout, which further encourages the enemy to reckless pursuit. At the last instant, the gate opens and Denethor unleashes his sortie, annihilating the enemy's vanguard and recovering Faramir's force. In this defensive campaign, Faramir and Denethor have thus bought time for Minas Tirith to complete its final preparations, and inflicted significant casualties and disorganization on the host of Mordor.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 55 (click to see context) from:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is presented as a pure suicide mission. In the books, most of Gondor's senior commanders knew that any such attack was likely doomed, but tactically necessary to buy time for Minas Tirith to finish its final preparations.
to:
** His decision to send Faramir to retake Osgiliath is presented as a pure suicide mission. In the books, most of Gondor's senior commanders knew that any such attack was likely doomed, but tactically necessary forces do not counter-attack at Osgiliath after it has fallen. Instead, Denethor makes the decision to buy reinforce Osgiliath after Faramir has returned from there to Minas Tirith with the message of the enemy's approach. Once Osgiliath is lost, Faramir and his men retreat in mostly good order to the Rammas Echor, the wall encircling the Pelennor Fields, and the Causeway Forts, which guard the main gate in the Rammas and the main road from Osgiliath to Minas Tirith. There, Faramir fights another successful delaying action and again retreats in good order, drawing the enemy recklessly across the built-up and difficult to traverse ground of the townlands of the Pelennor. Only within a few hundred meters of the gates of Minas Tirith does his force begin to rout, which further encourages the enemy to reckless pursuit. At the last instant, the gate opens and Denethor unleashes his sortie, annihilating the enemy's vanguard and recovering Faramir's force. In this defensive campaign, Faramir and Denethor have thus bought time for Minas Tirith to finish complete its final preparations.preparations, and inflicted significant casualties and disorganization on the host of Mordor.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* DeathGlare: The crowning one of the trilogy has to be the one he gives Grima after being freed from Saruman's influence. You can almost hear Grima piss himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Faramir is introduced after his men attack a troop of Haradrim, and he [[AlasPoorVillain shows empathy for one of the enemies that they killed.]] Unlike the WarIsGlorious mindset of most other characters, he then says [[WarIsHell "War will make corpses of us all."]]