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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He's often short-tempered and snippy, but he's fundamentally not a bad person and shows concern for the well-being of his community.
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He's often short-tempered and snippy, but he's fundamentally not a bad person and shows concern for the well-being of his community. He's also drastically more level-headed than Radzinsky.
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* BadassBoast: He has a tendency to make these.
-->''"Because I could kill you, Jack. Right here, right now. And I could kill every single one of your friends, and there is not a thing you could do to stop me."''
-->''"I'm gonna destroy the Island."''
-->''"Because I could kill you, Jack. Right here, right now. And I could kill every single one of your friends, and there is not a thing you could do to stop me."''
-->''"I'm gonna destroy the Island."''
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* BadassBoast: BadassBoast:
** He has a tendency to make these.
-->''"Because --->''"Because I could kill you, Jack. Right here, right now. And I could kill every single one of your friends, and there is not a thing you could do to stop me."''
-->''"I'm --->''"I'm gonna destroy the Island."''
** He has a tendency to make these.
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-->'''The Man in Black:''' Let's find out.
-->'''The Man in Black:''' Let's find out.
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Oops. I didn't realize there was already Faux Affably Evil below (which I feel is mutually exclusive with this).
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* AffablyEvil: Despite being manipulative and a mass-murderer, he is often quite charming, pleasant, and friendly.
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* AffablyEvil: Despite being manipulative and a mass-murderer, he is often quite charming, pleasant, and friendly.
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* ArsonMurderAndJaywalking: Lost wiki among many of his crimes lists multiple murders (direct or [[ManipulativeBastard indirect]]), few kidnappings and vandalising Jacob's cave.
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* {{Jerkass}}: He's short-tempered and snippy.
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His son takes after him, doesn't he?
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His son takes after him, doesn't he?
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* {{Jerkass}}: He's short-tempered and snippy.
**JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His son takes after him, doesn't he?He's often short-tempered and snippy, but he's fundamentally not a bad person and shows concern for the well-being of his community.
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* BigBad: He spends several seasons manipulating everyone from behind-the-scenes, only showing up occasionally to terrorize people in his monster form or manipulate them in the form of dead characters, until he's finally revealed to be the series BigBad towards the end of Season 5, and finally plays the role directly for the entirety of the final season.
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* BigBad: He spends several seasons manipulating everyone from behind-the-scenes, only showing up occasionally to terrorize people in his monster form or manipulate them in the form of dead characters, until he's finally revealed to be the series BigBad Big Bad towards the end of Season 5, and finally plays the role directly for the entirety of the final season.
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* BerserkButton: Do not suggest that he should stay on the Island or that he's never going to leave. Also, don't be [[TheRival Jacob]]. Or act like Jacob, in regards to Locke and Jack.
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* BerserkButton: BerserkButton:
** Do not suggest that he should stay on the Island or that he's never going to leave. Also, don't be [[TheRival Jacob]]. Or act like Jacob, in regards to Locke and Jack.
** Do not suggest that he should stay on the Island or that he's never going to leave. Also, don't be [[TheRival Jacob]]. Or act like Jacob, in regards to Locke and Jack.
* ConsummateLiar: Which of the Man in Black's claims can be trusted is very difficult to determine, especially when he has everything to gain from lying.
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* FauxAffablyEvil: He's remarkably charming to people whose deaths he's orchestrating, but it's all superficial, and disappears the moment that he no longer needs them alive.
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* FauxAffablyEvil: He's remarkably charming to people whose deaths he's orchestrating, but it's all superficial, and disappears the moment that he no longer needs them alive. The sadism that exists beneath his friendly façade is very clearly shown in the season 6 premiere, where, after posing as Locke, he reveals his contempt for the man, cruelly mocking his belief in his destiny and his confusion at his death.
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* ItsAllAboutMe: He's ridiculously self-centered, and will gladly destroy everyone and everything that stands in the way of him escaping the Island.
* TheJuggernaut: In his Smoke Monster form.
* TheJuggernaut: In his Smoke Monster form.
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* ItsAllAboutMe: He's ridiculously self-centered, and will gladly destroy everyone and everything that stands in the way of him escaping the Island.
Island. If the claims that his escape would cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt are true, he becomes even more selfish, willing to doom the entire world just to get what he wants.
* {{Jerkass}}: Beneath all the charm, fake affability, and manipulation, the Man in Black is a selfish, cruel, nihilistic bastard who puts what he wants ahead of anything and anyone else.
* TheJuggernaut: In his Smoke Monster form. In human form, he's more of an ImplacableMan, shrugging off gunfire or knives, but still able to be slowed down temporarily.
* {{Jerkass}}: Beneath all the charm, fake affability, and manipulation, the Man in Black is a selfish, cruel, nihilistic bastard who puts what he wants ahead of anything and anyone else.
* TheJuggernaut: In his Smoke Monster form. In human form, he's more of an ImplacableMan, shrugging off gunfire or knives, but still able to be slowed down temporarily.
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* ManipulativeBastard: His main weapon to deal with people who he can't kill.
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* ManipulativeBastard: His main weapon to deal with people who he can't kill. Special mention goes to taking Alex's form to force Ben to obey John Locke... who is another of the Man in Black's forms. He uses the same trick on Sun and Frank, posing as Christian Shephard and telling them to listen to Locke, then walking up to them later in Locke's form.
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* PetTheDog: He stops Claire from boarding Widmore's sub, knowing that it will soon sink when the candidates discover the bomb he planted with their gear. He later subverts this by abandoning her when she refuses to help kill her remaining friends.
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* AmbiguousSituation: Christian makes quite a few posthumous appearances, which the Man in Black eventually takes credit for, but given the confirmed presence of ghosts on the Island, as well as Christian making a few appearances off of the Island and the Man in Black being a ConsummateLiar, it's less clear as to whether ''all'' of Christian's appearances were the Man in Black; a few of them were definitely him (abducting Claire, manipulating Locke, instructing Frank and Sun to trust "Locke"), some others are less certain to be him (Christian appearing to Michael on the Freighter when the Man in Black can't leave the Island), and others still [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane aren't definitely supernatural at all]] (Jack seeing him after leaving the Island).
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* SuperSmoke: He is known as the smoke monster for a reason.
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* IconicSequelCharacter: He's a major part of the show's over-arching mythology and the focus of several popular episodes but was first introduced in the second season premiere.
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* NotSoDifferent: As much as he disdains John Locke and everything he stood for, the Man in Black shares a lot of Locke's self-destructive qualities, which become all the more pronounced when he is trapped in the form of Locke. Like Locke, his obsessive quest for fulfillment leads him to violence and ruin, and he even finds himself repeating Locke's {{Catchphrase}} at one point: "Don't tell me what I can't do!" Not that he would ever acknowledge this, of course, since so much about
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* NotSoDifferent: As much as he disdains John Locke and everything he stood for, the Man in Black shares a lot of Locke's self-destructive qualities, which become all the more pronounced when he is trapped in the form of Locke. Like Locke, his obsessive quest for fulfillment leads him to violence and ruin, and he even finds himself repeating Locke's {{Catchphrase}} at one point: "Don't tell me what I can't do!" Not that he would ever acknowledge this, of course, since so much about course.
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** Of course, it's easy to act badass when you know you can't be killed.
-->'''Sawyer:''' I'm wondering what would happen if I put a bullet in your head.
-->'''The Man in Black:''' Let's find out.
-->'''Sawyer:''' I'm wondering what would happen if I put a bullet in your head.
-->'''The Man in Black:''' Let's find out.
* DeathGlare: He has a few very menacing ones, usually when something doesn't go his way. But the most chilling has to be when he declares his motive to Ben: ''"I want to go home.''
* GenreSavvy: The castaways' confusion and ignorance of the exact nature of phenomena on the Island is key to his strategy, and he is centuries ahead of everyone. Being a psychic shapeshifter is real handy in a place running rampant with ghosts, mysterious visions, prophetic dreams and a bunch of people who are never entirely sure which is which. His crescendo is pretending to be a resurrected John Locke, trusting that no one would be able to dispute this given all the crazy, unexplainable things they've already seen.
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* OmnicidalManiac: He tried to kill everyone on the Island by destroying it, and possibly threatened mankind as a whole in the process
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* NotSoDifferent: As much as he disdains John Locke and everything he stood for, the Man in Black shares a lot of Locke's self-destructive qualities, which become all the more pronounced when he is trapped in the form of Locke. Like Locke, his obsessive quest for fulfillment leads him to violence and ruin, and he even finds himself repeating Locke's {{Catchphrase}} at one point: "Don't tell me what I can't do!" Not that he would ever acknowledge this, of course, since so much about
* OhCrap: A subtle but notable example. In the final episode, his air of invincibility is briefly broken when Jack states with utter certainty that he's going to kill him. Considering that at this point the Man in Black has fully displayed how unstoppable he is, Jack's confidence in his defeat is enough to unsettle him.
** He has an even bigger one later when Jack punches him in the face after the Island begins falling apart and he bleeds for the first time in thousands of years, realizing that he's vulnerable now.
* OmnicidalManiac: He tried to kill everyone on the Island by destroying it, and possibly threatened mankind as a whole in theprocessprocess.
* OhCrap: A subtle but notable example. In the final episode, his air of invincibility is briefly broken when Jack states with utter certainty that he's going to kill him. Considering that at this point the Man in Black has fully displayed how unstoppable he is, Jack's confidence in his defeat is enough to unsettle him.
** He has an even bigger one later when Jack punches him in the face after the Island begins falling apart and he bleeds for the first time in thousands of years, realizing that he's vulnerable now.
* OmnicidalManiac: He tried to kill everyone on the Island by destroying it, and possibly threatened mankind as a whole in the
* PsychoticSmirk: When things are going the way he wants, his twisted pleasure is plain to see.
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** Callousnes; Callousness; lack of empathy
** You'd be forgiven for thinking this was a symptom of his being, well, ''The Monster'', but no. He loathed everything about other people even when he was still a man.
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* TheUnfetteredTheUnfettered: There is nothing he won't do to get what he wants.
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* VoluntaryShapeshifting: Though after killing Jacob he suffers from:
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* VoluntaryShapeshifting: Though after Prior to killing Jacob and being stuck in the form of Locke, he suffers from:could appear as his original self and virtually anyone else. Usually these would be people who have a connection to those he was trying to manipulate, especially dead loved ones.
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* KnifeNut: He's proficient in firearms, but his weapon of choice is typically. This makes his final form as resident Knife Nut John Locke all the more fitting. Although, there is greater emphasis on the ''nut'' part in the Man in Black's case, as displayed when he threatens to use his hunting knife to slowly kill Bernard and Rose to force Desmond to go with him.
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* KnifeNut: He's proficient in firearms, but his weapon of choice is typically.typically a knife, whether he's using them himself or giving them to people he uses to do his killing for him. This makes his final form as resident Knife Nut John Locke all the more fitting. Although, there is greater emphasis on the ''nut'' part in the Man in Black's case, as displayed when he threatens to use his hunting knife to slowly kill Bernard and Rose to force Desmond to go with him.
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* KnifeNut: He's proficient in firearms, but his weapon of choice is typically. This makes his final form as resident Knife Nut John Locke all the more fitting. Although, there is greater emphasis on the ''nut'' part in the Man in Black's case, as displayed when he threatens to use his hunting knife to slowly kill Bernard and Rose to force Desmond to go with him.
-->''"I'll make it hurt."''
-->''"I'll make it hurt."''
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* NervesOfSteel: Widmore's people try to intimidate him by shelling his camp with mortars. He doesn't even blink.
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* MeaningfulEcho: Actually a retroactive example. His comment to Sawyer about the Sox winning the World Series makes Sawyer realize that he’s Jack’s father once Jack repeats it. Sawyer uses this information to repeat everything Christian said to him about how proud he was of his son.
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* ModeLock: Ilana claims that he's stuck in the form of Locke during season 6, though we get no explanation why.
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* ModeLock: Ilana claims that he's stuck in the form of Locke during season 6, though we get no explanation why. The most common theory is that Jacob’s death somehow took away his shape shifting, except for his smoke monster form.
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* MeaningfulName: 'Christian Shephard'?
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* MeaningfulName: 'Christian Shephard'? It’s lampshaded in the finale.
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* LivingMacguffin: Once he’s back on the Island and it becomes clear that the Man in Black wants him for his plan, the entirety of the conflict revolves around everyone trying to either find him or kill him.
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* DeadpanSnarkerDeadpanSnarker:
-->''(After brutally murdering the men sent to stop him from killing Jacob) “I’m sorry you had to see me like that.”''
-->''”That’s probably the coffin they were gonna bury me in.”''
-->''(After brutally murdering the men sent to stop him from killing Jacob) “I’m sorry you had to see me like that.”''
-->''”That’s probably the coffin they were gonna bury me in.”''
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* PutOnABus: After he escaped from the Island, he mostly disappeared from the story except for a [[CurbStompBattle brief fight]] with Ben Linus.
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* TheBusCameBack: After a large amount of absences from the main timeline of Seasons 5 and 6. Well, more like the bus was kidnapped, locked in a submarine, and dragged back against his will.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: He doesn’t mean to, but pursuing Kelvin away from the hatch causes him to almost not push the button in time. As a result, an electromagnetic incident occurs and causes Oceanic 815’s crash.
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* ImmuneToBullets: And knives. He doesn't even bleed, with most objects passing right through him. The only thing that seems capable of harming him even slightly are sonic noises.
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* ImmuneToBullets: And knives. He doesn't even bleed, with most objects passing right through him. The only thing that seems capable of harming him even slightly are sonic noises. When Desmond uncorks the Heart of the Island, this trope completely inverts; Kate shooting him gives Jack an opening to finally take him down.
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* PosthumousCharacter: He's only ever seen in the flashsideways and flashbacks, having died prior to the crash.
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* PosthumousCharacter: He's only ever seen in the flashsideways and flashbacks, having died prior to the crash. The Man in Black sometimes takes his form.
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* PosthumousCharacter: He's long-dead by the time the series begins.
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* PosthumousCharacter: He's long-dead by the time the series begins.begins, only appearing in orientation tapes and when the characters are stuck in the 1970s.
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* TheNameless: His birth mother never gave him a name, and neither did his adoptive mother.
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* TheNameless: NeverGivenAName: His birth mother never gave him a name, and neither did his adoptive mother.
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* DeathSeeker: It’s revealed that he almost committed suicide in Season 2, having had enough of the loneliness and the mental stress caused by pushing the button. Fortunately, Locke chose that moment to bang on the hatch loud enough for Desmond to hear, making him realize that other people were on the Island and restoring his will to live.
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"Humans Are the Real Monsters" and "Humans Are Special" are for settings where there are other intelligent species. Jacob and his brother, despite being The Ageless, are human, as every other character in the show.
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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: Believes this wholeheartedly, in direct opposition to [[BigGood Jacob's]] [[HumansAreSpecial worldview]]. Also, considering the fact that he's also human, this one applies on him literally.
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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: HumansAreBastards: Believes this wholeheartedly, in direct opposition to [[BigGood Jacob's]] [[HumansAreSpecial [[HumansAreGood worldview]]. Also, considering the fact that he's also human, this one applies on him literally.
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* GeniusBruiser: He's very intelligent and crafty when he needs to be, and is one of the tougher characters around. Out of the main cast, only he and Sayid have an extensive military background.
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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: Believes this wholeheartedly, in direct opposition to [[BigGood Jacob's]] [[HumansAreSpecial worldview]].
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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: Believes this wholeheartedly, in direct opposition to [[BigGood Jacob's]] [[HumansAreSpecial worldview]]. Also, considering the fact that he's also human, this one applies on him literally.
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* MeaningfulName: She's named after quantum physicist StephenHawking, author of 'A Brief History of Time'. Time is very relevant to Eloise.
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* MeaningfulName: She's named after quantum physicist StephenHawking, Creator/StephenHawking, author of 'A Brief History of Time'. Time is very relevant to Eloise.
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* NiceGuy: He's very pleasant and friendly, considering he was isolated from the woman he loved and almost all human contact for about three years. He is extremely hostile when first introduced, but because he thinks the people who've just broke into the Swan are dangerous. Which, given the dynamite and sidearms they were packing, (dynamite which they had just used to break uninvited into his dwelling) was ''totally'' reasonable to assume.
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* NiceGuy: He's very pleasant and friendly, considering he was isolated from the woman he loved and almost all human contact for about three years. He is extremely hostile when first introduced, but because he thinks the people who've just broke into the Swan are dangerous. Which, given the dynamite and sidearms they were packing, packing (dynamite which they had just used to break uninvited into his dwelling) dwelling), was ''totally'' entirely reasonable to assume.
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* BadassGrandma: She's left behind the guns but it's clear she hasn't lost her edge.
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: More passive/lower in rank than either Horace or Radzinsky, but a considerably better leader than either.
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: More passive/lower in rank than either Horace or and Radzinsky, but a considerably better leader than either.
