History Characters / HarryPotterHogwartsTeachers

14th Dec '17 3:18:41 PM PrivateerMan
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-->'''Harry, after defeating [[BigCreepyCrawlies Aragog]]:''' "''Well, at least I learned something in Lockhart's class: Rictusempra.'' He is surprisingly a little more competent in the [[VideoGame/HarryPotter video game version]], teaching Harry the Rictusempra and Spongify spells, both of which are extensively used in both ''Chamber of Secrets'' and ''Prisoner of Azkaban''. Harry even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades it!]]
-->'''Harry, after defeating [[BigCreepyCrawlies Aragog]]:''' "''Well, at least I learned something in Lockhart's class: Rictusempra.''"

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-->'''Harry, after defeating [[BigCreepyCrawlies Aragog]]:''' "''Well, at least I learned something in Lockhart's class: Rictusempra.'' He is surprisingly a little more competent in the [[VideoGame/HarryPotter video game version]], teaching Harry the Rictusempra and Spongify spells, both of which are extensively used in both ''Chamber of Secrets'' and ''Prisoner of Azkaban''. Harry even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades it!]]
-->'''Harry, after defeating [[BigCreepyCrawlies Aragog]]:''' "''Well, at least I learned something in Lockhart's class: Rictusempra.''"
14th Dec '17 3:17:48 PM PrivateerMan
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* AdaptationalBadass: [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed,]] but he is a little more competent in the [[VideoGame/HarryPotter video game version]], teaching Harry the Rictusempra and Spongify spells, both of which are extensively used in both ''Chamber of Secrets'' and ''Prisoner of Azkaban''. Harry even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades it!]]
-->'''Harry, after defeating [[BigCreepyCrawlies Aragog]]:''' "''Well, at least I learned something in Lockhart's class: Rictusempra.'' He is surprisingly a little more competent in the [[VideoGame/HarryPotter video game version]], teaching Harry the Rictusempra and Spongify spells, both of which are extensively used in both ''Chamber of Secrets'' and ''Prisoner of Azkaban''. Harry even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades it!]]
-->'''Harry, after defeating [[BigCreepyCrawlies Aragog]]:''' "''Well, at least I learned something in Lockhart's class: Rictusempra.''"
11th Dec '17 3:55:53 PM Eagal
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* BadassGrandpa: The most powerful wizard in the world during the time of the books, Dumbledore is the only person that [[BigBad Voldemort]] - the most powerful and feared dark wizard of all time - fears and it is his presence alone that protects Hogwarts from the latter. And at over 110 years of age, he's not even in his prime, during which he fought a guy that was actually incapable of losing to a standstill.
11th Dec '17 11:57:10 AM DustSnitch
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10th Dec '17 9:21:12 AM NhazUl
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** More importantly, the final film adds a scene [[spoiler:of Snape holding Lily's dead body in her arms while baby Harry looks on, which makes him vastly more sympathetic, while at the same time leaving out Snape calling Lily a "mudblood" and then descending into his obsession with Dark Arts and signing up with Voldemort. The final scene between Snape and Harry, where Snape states that Harry has his mother's eyes likewise gives him a redemptive moment whereas in the novel, there's no hints that Snape ever truly got over his hatred for Harry, and indeed the point is that he continued to save him despite disliking him]].

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** More importantly, the final film adds a scene [[spoiler:of Snape holding Lily's dead body in her arms while baby Harry looks on, which makes him vastly more sympathetic, while at the same time leaving out Snape calling Lily a "mudblood" and then descending into his obsession with Dark Arts and signing up with Voldemort. He is shown directly asking Dumbledore to protect the entire Potter family, instead of admitting to have bargained for just Lily's life in exchange for her son and husband. The final scene between Snape and Harry, where Snape states that Harry has his mother's eyes likewise gives him a redemptive moment whereas in the novel, there's no hints that Snape ever truly got over his hatred for Harry, and indeed the point is that he continued to save him despite disliking him]].
9th Dec '17 11:39:40 PM JulianLapostat
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* AdaptationalHeroism: The films in general cut out most of Snape's KickTheDog moments, his genuinely AbusiveTeacher tendencies towards Neville, Harry, and Hermione, and overall corruption and lack of professionalism as a teacher:

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* AdaptationalHeroism: The films in general cut out most of Snape's KickTheDog moments, his genuinely AbusiveTeacher tendencies appalling behaviour towards Neville, Harry, and Hermione, and overall corruption and lack of professionalism as a teacher:
9th Dec '17 11:39:01 PM JulianLapostat
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* AdaptationalHeroism:
** The films in general cut out most of Snape's KickTheDog moments, distilling them into single moments within each single movie.
** Snape in the third film tells Dumbledore that Harry needs to know the truth about Sirius Black. Snape in the book was perfectly fine with keeping Harry in the dark.
** In the third film, when Snape realizes there's an angry werewolf standing behind him, the first thing he does is to push Harry, Ron and Hermione, three students he loathes, behind himself to protect them.
** More importantly, the final film adds a scene [[spoiler:of Snape holding Lily's dead body in her arms while baby Harry looks on, which makes him vastly more sympathetic, while at the same time leaving out Snape calling Lily a "mudblood" and then descending into his obsession with Dark Arts and signing up with Voldemort.]]

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* AdaptationalHeroism:
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AdaptationalHeroism: The films in general cut out most of Snape's KickTheDog moments, distilling them into single moments within each single movie.
his genuinely AbusiveTeacher tendencies towards Neville, Harry, and Hermione, and overall corruption and lack of professionalism as a teacher:
** Snape in the third film tells Dumbledore that Harry needs to know the truth about Sirius Black. Snape in the book was perfectly fine with keeping Harry in the dark. And if anything, he always criticizes Dumbledore for telling Harry anything because he doesn't think he's capable, competent or anyone special, and he outright resents Dumbledore for giving Harry private lessons and telling him stuff that he doesn't tell Snape.
** In the third film, when Snape realizes there's an angry werewolf standing behind him, the first thing he does is to push Harry, Ron and Hermione, three students he loathes, behind himself to protect them.
them. In the third book, Snape's incompetence more or less led to that situation, he was knocked out for the entire events, and it was Sirius who was protecting his body from being bitten by Remus. Snape then repays this by trying to get Sirius' soul eaten by Dementors, and "outing" Remus in the book's epilogue, which is entirely excised from the film. Likewise the entire sequence where Snape sadistically tries to murder Neville's Toad Trevor is removed.
** More importantly, the final film adds a scene [[spoiler:of Snape holding Lily's dead body in her arms while baby Harry looks on, which makes him vastly more sympathetic, while at the same time leaving out Snape calling Lily a "mudblood" and then descending into his obsession with Dark Arts and signing up with Voldemort.]] The final scene between Snape and Harry, where Snape states that Harry has his mother's eyes likewise gives him a redemptive moment whereas in the novel, there's no hints that Snape ever truly got over his hatred for Harry, and indeed the point is that he continued to save him despite disliking him]].



* FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence: He and James Potter despised one another for a multitude of reasons and have a complex hateship. While James openly stated this about Severus, Snape's actions showed off much more of this and just how much he detested James, both as schoolboys and now.

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* FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence: FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence:
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He and James Potter despised one another for a multitude of reasons and have a complex hateship. While at first sight. James openly stated this disliked Snape for wanting to be Slytherin, and later their rivalry deepened because James was better at everything, and he and the Marauders enjoyed picking on him. Then James started fancying Lily, who was friends with Snape, which pushed their rivalry over the edge of mutual obsession, with Snape trying to get James expelled.
** Snape likewise loathes Harry Potter simply because of who his father is, and who he looks like, and what Harry represents (as Rowling [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/harry-potter/8023576/Harry-Potter-and-the-Deathly-Hallows-10-facts-you-didnt-know-about-the-films.html notes]] "living proof that [Lily] preferred another man") and from his comments
about Severus, Snape's actions showed off much more Harry owing his life to the sacrifice of this and just how much he detested James, both as schoolboys and now.his betters, hates him for surviving when Lily died.



* ForgivenessRequiresDeath: [[spoiler:Harry forgives him for his {{Jerkass}} tendencies after his death, and after seeing his memories that put his actions in context.]]

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* ForgivenessRequiresDeath: [[spoiler:Harry forgives him for his {{Jerkass}} tendencies after his death, and after seeing his memories that put his actions in context.]] He does this even knowing that Snape always truly did hate him]].



* GoneHorriblyRight: Snape has a tendency to do this. He revealed FantasticRacism as a child, which pushed away his only Muggleborn friend, and eventually led to her death. He feigns ObfuscatingStupidity when [[spoiler:Harry warns him Padfood is in trouble, which indirectly leads to Sirius's death and several Hogwarts students suffering serious injuries at Death Eater hands]]. [[spoiler:He murders Dumbledore in a MercyKill and pretends to side with the Death Eaters to save Draco, all the while convincing everyone in the Wizarding World that he's not to be trusted. Then while pretending to chase after Harry with the Death Eaters, Dumebledore's portrait tells him to put on a good show of being evil. He ends up cutting off George's ear, which means that when he gives the sword of Gryffindor to Harry and Hermione, he has to wait months for an opportunity to deliver it without revealing his identity.]]

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* GoneHorriblyRight: Snape has a tendency to do this. He revealed FantasticRacism as a child, which pushed away his only Muggleborn friend, and eventually led to her death. He feigns ObfuscatingStupidity when [[spoiler:Harry warns him Padfood is in trouble, which indirectly leads to Sirius's death and several Hogwarts students suffering serious injuries at Death Eater hands]]. [[spoiler:He murders Dumbledore in a MercyKill and pretends to side with the Death Eaters to save Draco, all the while convincing everyone in the Wizarding World that he's not to be trusted. Then while pretending to chase after Harry with the Death Eaters, Dumebledore's portrait tells him to put on a good show of being evil. He ends up cutting off George's ear, which means that when he gives the sword of Gryffindor to Harry and Hermione, he has to wait months for an opportunity to deliver it without revealing his identity.]]identity, and the end result of this delay, PoorCommunicationKills is that he doesn't align with Harry in time, gets killed randomly by Voldemort, and only achieves his mission by "sheer dumb luck". Had Snape been less himself, and tried to be trustworthy, he might have lived]].



* HeelFaceDoorslam: Subverted. [[spoiler:Being a DoubleAgent, Snape under Dumbledore's orders waits for Voldemort to fear for Nagini. Then he tries to go and find Harry, to tell Harry that he must let Voldemort kill him, to destroy all the Horcruxes. Voldemort doesn't give him the chance, however; he has Nagini bite Snape because he thinks it's the only way to control the Elder Wand. Fortunately for Snape, Harry and his friends happened to come nearby to spy on Voldemort, which allows a dying Snape to pass on the memories.]]



* HeelRealization: Snape is interesting for showing how complex this process is. When he first came to Dumbledore, it was because of [[spoiler:doubts that Voldemort wouldn't follow through on his side of the bargain of letting Lily live. Dumbledore chewed him out about his brazen selfishness and seeded doubts in his mind. He became a double agent for the Order but Lily's death and Voldemort's downfall robbed him of the thing he wanted most. Dumbledore convinces him to live on, to protect Lily's son as a form of atonement and honor her sacrifice.]] Later on, when [[spoiler:Voldemort takes over, Snape finds himself having to help Harry from a distance and without anyone seeing him. As the portrait Dumbledore puts it, if anyone from the Order sees Snape, then he's a dead man for killing Dumbledore and hurting George. Then the Dark Lord poisons him using Nagini, and Harry feebly tries to stop the blood from flowing from Snape's fatal wounds; Snape gives him memories that Harry needs, as well as a few more to show him the truth. Then he asks to look into Harry's eyes one last time before he dies, the only way he can apologize for sending Harry to sacrifice himself.]]

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* HeelRealization: Snape is interesting for showing how complex this process is.
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When he first came to Dumbledore, it was because of [[spoiler:doubts that Voldemort wouldn't follow through on his side of the bargain of letting Lily live. Dumbledore chewed him out about his brazen selfishness and seeded doubts in his mind. He became a double agent for the Order but Lily's death and Voldemort's downfall robbed him of the thing he wanted most. Dumbledore convinces him to live on, to protect Lily's son as a form of atonement and honor her sacrifice.]] ]]
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Later on, when [[spoiler:Voldemort takes over, Snape finds himself having to help Harry from a distance and without anyone seeing him. As the portrait Dumbledore puts it, if anyone from the Order sees Snape, then he's a dead man for killing Dumbledore and hurting George. Then the Dark Lord poisons him using Nagini, and Harry feebly tries to stop the blood from flowing from Snape's fatal wounds; Snape gives him memories that Harry needs, as well as a few more to show him the truth. Then he asks to look into Harry's eyes one last time before he dies, the only way he can apologize for sending Harry to sacrifice himself.needs which shows his true allegiances.]]



* JerkassRealization: [[spoiler:Seems to have one in his final moments. He shows Harry a lot more memories than necessary to prove his allegiance, including several memories of his friendship with Lily, suggesting that on some level he wanted Harry to understand why he resented him. In the book, his last request is for Harry to look him in the eye, so that he can die looking into Lily's eyes. His last words, in the film, are also an acknowledgement that Harry has his mother's eyes -- the first time he compares him to Lily and not his father.]]
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: [[spoiler:He loved Harry's mother and did everything he could to honor her memory and sacrifice through Dumbledore's service and full commitment to the Order. He also repented on the blood purity and corrected Sirius' Jerkass ancestor painting Phineas Nigellus for using that word.]].
* JerkWithAHeartOfJerk: Even at the very end he unfairly hated and resented Harry and would have done nothing to help him had it not been for [[spoiler:his mother]]. He affirms the same to Dumbledore.

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* JerkassRealization: [[spoiler:Seems to have [[spoiler:Has one in his final moments. He shows Harry a lot more memories than necessary to prove his allegiance, including several memories of his friendship with Lily, suggesting that on some level he wanted Harry to understand why he resented him. In the book, his last request is for Harry to look him in the eye, so that he can die looking into Lily's eyes.movies. His last words, in the film, are also an acknowledgement that Harry has his mother's eyes -- the first time he compares him to Lily and not his father.]]
* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: [[spoiler:He loved Harry's mother and did everything he could to honor her memory and sacrifice through Dumbledore's service and full commitment to
This is left ambiguous in the Order. He also repented on books, since while Snape shares memories with Harry, all of those memories, especially the blood purity and corrected Sirius' Jerkass ancestor painting Phineas Nigellus for using recent ones clarify that word.]].
deep down he truly dislikes him, and only saves his life out of respect for Lily's memory]].
* JerkWithAHeartOfJerk: Even at the very end he unfairly hated and resented Harry and would have done nothing to help him had it not been for [[spoiler:his mother]]. He affirms the same to Dumbledore.Dumbledore when he sneers, "For him" (when Dumbledore mockingly asks if he finally learned to care for him). and then unleashes his Doe Patronus
9th Dec '17 9:08:12 PM JulianLapostat
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** As a member of the Order and a person in Dumbledore's employ, [[spoiler:Snape more or less does carry out Dumbledore's orders despite his grumbling about it. When Dumbledore asked him to brew Wolfsbane potions for Remus, he did it well, and when Dumbledore asked him to protect Harry, despite disliking him for what he represents, he carries that out loyally to the very end. Likewise, Snape's private self is a broken, depressed, remorseful and emotionally damaged man but in private he still holds the same unpleasant opinions and grudges that he shows in private. He really does think Harry's a layabout who coasts off the sacrifices better wizards]].

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** As a member of the Order and a person in Dumbledore's employ, [[spoiler:Snape more or less does carry out Dumbledore's orders despite his grumbling about it. When Dumbledore asked him to brew Wolfsbane potions for Remus, he did it well, and when Dumbledore asked him to protect Harry, despite disliking him for what he represents, he carries that out loyally to the very end. Likewise, But fundamentally there isn't a divide between Snape's private self is a broken, depressed, remorseful and emotionally damaged man but public self. In public or in private he still holds the same unpleasant opinions and grudges that he shows in private. He really does think Harry's private, Snape thinks Harry is a layabout who coasts off the sacrifices better wizards]].wizards, and he had that opinion since Harry was eleven years old, and never once changed it despite countless promptings from Dumbledore]].
9th Dec '17 9:04:01 PM JulianLapostat
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* AmbiguouslyEvil: He's a deeply unpleasant fellow with an extremely transparent bias in favor of the shady Slytherin house and an intense dislike of TheHero. This results in Harry and friends swiftly jumping to the conclusion that Snape is one of the bad guys, especially in books one, two, six, and seven. ''The Goblet of Fire'' is the only book in the series that doesn't seem to go out of its way to villify Snape in some fashion, at least in Harry's eyes. It doesn't help that the events of the books have a knack for making you think that Harry's suspicions might be well-founded, at least until TheReveal at the very end. [[spoiler:This comes to a head in the last book, in which Snape has pulled an apparent full-blown FaceHeelTurn by returning to the service of the Death Eaters. However, in the very end of the book, as he lies dying, he gives Harry his memories, revealing that he had been loyal to Dumbledore the whole time.]]

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* AmbiguouslyEvil: He's a deeply unpleasant fellow with an extremely transparent bias in favor of the shady Slytherin house and an intense dislike of TheHero. This results in Harry and friends swiftly jumping to the conclusion that Snape is one of the bad guys, especially in books one, two, six, and seven. ''The Goblet of Fire'' is the only book in the series that doesn't seem to go out of its way to villify Snape in some fashion, at least in Harry's eyes. It doesn't help that the events of the books have a knack for making you think that Harry's suspicions might be well-founded, at least until TheReveal at the very end. [[spoiler:This comes to a head in the last book, in which Snape has pulled an apparent full-blown FaceHeelTurn by returning to the service of the Death Eaters. However, in the very end of the book, as he lies dying, he gives Harry his memories, revealing that he had been loyal to Dumbledore the whole time.]] Of course the final books also prove that Snape in fact genuinely disliked Harry, and that his protection of him had nothing to do with any personal feelings towards him, and that Snape in his youth was really evil, and did sign up with the Death Eaters. So at best, Harry's suspicions are EntertaininglyWrong, incorrect but certainly understandable]].
9th Dec '17 8:42:09 PM NoxSky12599
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-->'''Snape''": [[KickTheDog Whoops. Another zero, then, Potter...]]

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-->'''Snape''": -->'''Snape''': [[KickTheDog Whoops. Another zero, then, Potter...]]
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