History Characters / GameOfThronesTheatreTroupe

* BeautyIsNeverTarnished: AvertedTrope. While the effects are not seen, its implied Bianca was disfigured by Lady Crane after trying to have her killed.

* VocalDissonance: Rather than the real Ned's BadassBaritone, Camello has a more high-pitched voice.

* CriticalResearchFailure: Either doesn't know or doesn't care that Tyrion only got his disfiguring facial scar in a battle ''after'' Ned Stark was beheaded.

* AdaptationalVillainy: InUniverse to Ned Stark. His depiction is that of a FalseFriend and TheStarscream to Robert Baratheon, whereas the real Ned was a very loyal friend and a dutiful Hand of the King (HonorBeforeReason aside).

[[Characters/GameOfThronesWesteros The Seven Kingdoms of Westeros]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseStark House Stark]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseStarkChildren House Stark Children]] [[[Characters/GameOfThronesJonSnow Jon Snow]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesSansaStark Sansa Stark]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesAryaStark Arya Stark]]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseStarkHousehold House Stark Household]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseBolton House Bolton]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesRamsayBolton Ramsay Bolton]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseKarstark House Karstark]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseMormont House Mormont]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseReed House Reed]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesOtherNorthernHouses Other Northern Houses]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseLannister House Lannister]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesTywinLannister Tywin Lannister]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesCerseiLannister Cersei Lannister]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesJaimeLannister Jaime Lannister]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseLannisterHousehold House Lannister Household]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseClegane House Clegane]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseBaratheonOfKingsLanding House Baratheon of King’s Landing]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesJoffreyBaratheon Joffrey Baratheon]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseTargaryen House Targaryen]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesDaenerysCourt Daenerys I’s Court]] [[[Characters/GameOfThronesDaenerysTargaryen Daenerys Targaryen]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesTyrionLannister Tyrion Lannister]]], [[Characters/GameOfThronesServantsOfDaenerys Servants of Daenerys]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseBaratheon House Baratheon of Storm’s End and Dragonstone]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesStannisBaratheon Stannis Baratheon]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseGreyjoy House Greyjoy]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesTheonGreyjoy Theon Greyjoy]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseArryn House Arryn]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesPetyrBaelish Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseTully House Tully]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseFrey House Frey]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseTyrell House Tyrell]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesMargaeryTyrell Margaery Tyrell]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseTarly House Tarly]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesHouseMartell House Martell]] ([[Characters/GameOfThronesSandSnakes Sand Snakes]]) | [[Characters/GameOfThronesTheFreeCities The Free Cities]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesSlaversBay Slaver's Bay]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesTheDothrakiSeaAndTheRedWaste The Dothraki Sea and the Red Waste]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesQarth Qarth]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesNightsWatch The Night's Watch]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesRoyalCourt Royal Court]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesTheOrderOfTheMaesters The Order of the Maesters]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesTheKingsguard The Kingsguard]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesWildlings Wildlings]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesBrotherhoodWithoutBanners Brotherhood Without Banners]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesTheFaithOfTheSeven The Faith of the Seven]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesRedTemple Red Temple]] | [[Characters/GameOfThronesIndependentCharacters Independent Characters]] | '''Theatre Troupe''' | [[Characters/GameOfThronesSupernaturalBeings Supernatural Beings]]]]]]-]

* TakeThatAudience: When they appeared in Season 6, fans and critics heavily debated which of these two tropes they were supposed to be, fundamentally (though they are based on a similar play in the novels). Some thought it was the writers having a "Take That!" moment against criticisms of their adaptation, mocking those who complain about the violence and random nudity in it. Others thought it was a surprisingly frank self-criticism and acknowledgment about times they made mistakes or got adaptation details wrong. The Season 6 Blu-ray commentary reveals that, rather awkwardly, this debate occurred on the production end as well. Apparently, the writers actually considered it to be a "Take That Audience!" by mockingly exaggerating details about the TV show which they felt reviewers were being unjustifiably negative about. When the episode director and his team got the script and filmed it, however, he grew increasingly uncomfortable, because many of these criticisms were very on-the-nose and, in his mind, uncomfortably accurate - i.e. putting too much fart humor in, pointing out that Sansa has few speaking lines (even within Season 6). To everyone in the filming crew, it seemed to rather obviously be a "Take That, Us!" trope. The director grew so uncomfortable with this that he outright went to the writers and told them that the whole thing as written came off as a scathing self-criticism of genuine failings in the TV series, ''not'' making fun of "groundless" negative comments about the TV series by its detractors. As he says in the commentary, they didn't really believe him and instead told him to push the parody to even further extremes. Unfortunately, this response [[ShapedLikeItself is understandable]]: if the TV writers weren't oblivious to genuine problems in their writing (sex, violence, lowbrow humor), they wouldn't have done them in the first place.

* TakeThatAudience / TakeThatUs: When they appeared in Season 6, fans and critics heavily debated which of these two tropes they were supposed to be, fundamentally (though they are based on a similar play in the novels). Some thought it was the writers having a "Take That!" moment against criticisms of their adaptation, mocking those who complain about the violence and random nudity in it. Others thought it was a surprisingly frank self-criticism and acknowledgment about times they made mistakes or got adaptation details wrong. The Season 6 Blu-ray commentary reveals that, rather awkwardly, this debate occurred on the production end as well. Apparently, the writers actually considered it to be a "Take That Audience!" by mockingly exaggerating details about the TV show which they felt reviewers were being unjustifiably negative about. When the episode director and his team got the script and filmed it, however, he grew increasingly uncomfortable, because many of these criticisms were very on-the-nose and, in his mind, uncomfortably accurate - i.e. putting too much fart humor in, pointing out that Sansa has few speaking lines (even within Season 6). To everyone in the filming crew, it seemed to rather obviously be a "Take That, Us!" trope. The director grew so uncomfortable with this that he outright went to the writers and told them that the whole thing as written came off as a scathing self-criticism of genuine failings in the TV series, ''not'' making fun of "groundless" negative comments about the TV series by its detractors. As he says in the commentary, they didn't really believe him and instead told him to push the parody to even further extremes. Unfortunately, this response [[ShapedLikeItself is understandable]]: if the TV writers weren't oblivious to genuine problems in their writing (sex, violence, lowbrow humor), they wouldn't have done them in the first place.

* StuffedIntoTheFridge: The Waif drapes her disturbingly twisted corpse over a chair and makes sure Arya gets to see her like that.

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* AuthorExistenceFailure: InUniverse. The Waif kills her just before the troupe is set for Pentos.

* ArtisticLicenseHistory: An InUniverse example. The play is not concerned with accurately portraying the War of the Five Kings and opts to have a very loose interpretation of it.

!!!'''Played By:''' Kevin Eldon

* TakeThatAudience / TakeThatUs: When they appeared in Season 6, fans and critics heavily debated which of these two tropes they were supposed to be, fundamentally (though they are based on a similar play in the novels). Some thought it was the TV-writers having a "Take That!" moment against criticisms of their adaptation, mocking those who complain about the violence and random nudity in it. Others thought it was a surprisingly frank self-criticism and acknowledgment about times they made mistakes or got adaptation details wrong. The Season 6 Blu-ray commentary reveals that, rather awkwardly, this debate occurred on the production end as well. Apparently, the TV-writers actually considered it to be a "Take That Audience!" by mockingly exaggerating details about the TV show which they felt reviewers were being unjustifiably negative about. When the episode director and his team got the script and filmed it, however, he grew increasingly uncomfortable, because many of these criticisms were very on-the-nose and, in his mind, uncomfortably accurate - i.e. putting too much fart humor in, pointing out that Sansa has few speaking lines (even within Season 6). To everyone in the filming crew, it seemed to rather obviously be a "Take That, Us!" trope. The director grew so uncomfortable with this that he outright went to the writers and told them that the whole thing as written came off as a scathing self-criticism of genuine failings in the TV series, ''not'' making fun of "groundless" negative comments about the TV series by its detractors. As he says in the commentary, they didn't really believe him and instead told him to push the parody to even further extremes. Unfortunately, this response [[ShapedLikeItself is understandable]]: if the TV writers weren't oblivious to genuine problems in their writing (sex, violence, lowbrow humor), they wouldn't have done them in the first place.

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* BottleFairy: She likes to take a nip of wine before and after each play, and the only member of the troupe to drink rum.

* CriticalResearchFailure: [[invoked]] Either doesn't know or doesn't care that Tyrion only got his disfiguring facial scar in a battle ''after'' Ned Stark was beheaded.

* LovableSexManiac: His real self is just as perverted as his character, though a good deal more friendly and playful.

* HotterAndSexier: Her InUniverse portrayal of Sansa is heavily sexuallized.

* MsFanservice: InUniverse, her role in the play involves her breasts being exposed for the audience's lewd appreciation. Her following scene has her wandering around topless in the backstage. Desconstructed since Bianca resents the only purpose of her role to provide {{Fanservice}}, so she arranges the Faceless Men to get rid of Lady Crane so she could take her place. When Lady Crane finds that out, she apparently disfigured Bianca's face so badly she probably won't even be able to go back to her old role, let alone have any advanced acting prospects.

* ActingForTwo: InUniverse. He plays both Robert Baratheon and Tywinn Lannister.

* DepravedDwarf: Lady Crane toasts Bobono's 'dirty mind'. He plays the trope straight on stage, forcibly stripping Play!Sansa, then [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil dragging her off to his bedchamber]] before they're even married.

* TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou: In his final villain monologue, Play!Tyrion declares he will cross the Narrow Sea to do more treachery, this time to the audience. "Fear me!" ''(exit with EvilLaugh)''

* RegentForLife: Play!Tyrion uses his father's wealth to appoint himself Hand For Life.

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* ReallyGetsAround: Plays up Ned's infidelity by scratching his crotch in his first appearance. Oh course, [[ItWasHisSled the real Ned was never unfaithful.]]

* ReallyGetsAround: Plays up Ned's infidelity by scratching his crotch in his first appearance.

* AdaptationalCurves: Eline Powell is notably more stacked than Creator/SophieTurner.

* NoNudityTaboo: There are no dressing rooms backstage and everybody freely walks about naked.

* TakeThatAudience / TakeThatUs: When they appeared in Season 6, fans and critics heavily debated which of these two tropes they were supposed to be, fundamentally (though they are based on a similar play in the novels). Some thought it was the TV-writers having a "Take That!" moment against criticisms of their adaptation, mocking those who complain about the violence and random nudity in it. Others thought it was a surprisingly frank self-criticism and acknowledgement about times they made mistakes or got adaptation details wrong. The Season 6 Blu-ray commentary reveals that, rather awkwardly, this debate occurred on the production end as well. Apparently, the TV-writers actually considered it to be a "Take That Audience!" by mockingly exaggerating details about the TV show which they felt reviewers were being unjustifiably negative about. When the episode director and his team got the script and filmed it, however, he grew increasingly uncomfortable, because many of these criticisms were very on-the-nose and, in his mind, uncomfortably accurate - i.e. putting too much fart humor in, pointing out that Sansa has few speaking lines (even within Season 6). To everyone in the filming crew, it seemed to rather obviously be a "Take That, Us!" trope. The director grew so uncomfortable with this that he outright went to the writers and told them that the whole thing as written came off as a scathing self-criticism of genuine failings in the TV series, ''not'' making fun of "groundless" negative comments about the TV series by its detractors. As he says in the commentary, they didn't really believe him and instead told him to push the parody to even further extremes. Unfortunately, this response [[ShapedLikeItself is understandable]]: if the TV writers weren't oblivious to genuine problems in their writing (sex, violence, lowbrow humor), they wouldn't have done them in the first place.